Just curious on some thoughts about this. Thanks!

Quite like Mikhail Gorbachev, I'd guess.

If they treat him correctly, it will be as a misguided buffoon who spoiled his country's chances of becoming a major power. The ANC was a Soviet-armed terrorist organization, even Mandela himself has admitted this.

South Africa should have negotiated only with peaceful African leaders and not those that espoused communist rhetoric while receiving arms and money from known terrorists like Moammar Qadaffi.

The "new" South Africa has never once voted in favor of condemning North Korea's human rights situation. The ANC, which so supposedly is universally recognized for being so kind and humane, sticks up for the brutal Stalinism of Kim Jong Il. Mandela himself has made many favorable statements about true enemies of free people everywhere - he's praised Qadaffi, Castro, and Arafat. He's even called the Soviet Union a model for South Africa.

The "new" South Africa has done nothing to stop the bloodshed in Zimbabwe. Half of the population there are starving to death because of one man and nobody in Pretoria or whatever in God's name they changed it to cares.

The supposedly multiracial African National Congress is dominated by people of the Xhosa tribe, and it's easy to tell that considering just how the ANC treats the Zulus in Natal. Nobody should have to be told that crime and corruption are completely out of control.

However, even when the slightest criticism of policy appears, it'd dismissed as one of the "effects" of apartheid, even when it is clearly the incompetent bungling of the ANC.

DeKlerk sold South Africa up the river and the only people to have profited are Old Major and Napoleon.

Mandela himself has made many favorable statements about true enemies of free people everywhereWell, true freedom-loving people don't defend nazis every chance they get.

Well, true freedom-loving people don't defend nazis every chance they get.
Looks like someone used the "N" word. :rolleyes:

Well, true freedom-loving people don't defend nazis every chance they get.


Godwin's Law. You lose.

being a Brittish colony never helped the place either though...

If they treat him correctly, it will be as a misguided buffoon who spoiled his country's chances of becoming a major power.
Or maybe he will be remembered as one of the men that saved the RSA's chance of becoming a major power.
That's why DeKlerck did it. South Africa couldn't go on like it had. Things would change, only question was what kind of change it would be.

Last time I looked the industrial infrastructure was still there, and in a regional conflict S.Africa will wipe the floor militarily with all comers.
Only this time it's no longer an international pariah, a democracy (for all the warts) and it's no longer a question of som 4-5 million white guys having to waste time and resources on keeping down 5-6 times that number of black folk.
That situation alone pretty much ensured the RSA would never become a major power. Now it's still a regional great power, and generally in a better position than any other African country.

However, even when the slightest criticism of policy appears, it'd dismissed as one of the "effects" of apartheid, even when it is clearly the incompetent bungling of the ANC.


There's nothing inherently contradictory about it being both an effect of apartheid and the incompetence of the ANC.

One caused the other. An uneducated, undeveloped underclass suddenly thrust into power will virtually always fail at ruling well. That is why the crime situation, the healthcare situation, and the general quality of life in South Africa has deteriorated.

That is why there have been declines in crime-fighting, healthcare quality, and overall quality of life in virtually all decolonized areas, except where the new ruling class had achived a certain level of education and economic prosperity.

The question is, do we blame it on colonizers being too oppressive, or do we blame it on decolonizers not doing enough preparation?

Of course the ANC has done a notoriously lousy job ruling the nation, but fact is the apartheid had to go and DeKlerk did the right thing.

Godwin's Law. You lose.

you can tell no one cares about soemones opinion when they feel the need to invoke "Godwins law" in order to counter a post.