Here's something I've been doing in the past week or so. Cut 'n paste from the readme file:

General info on the Finnish civilization:
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- Scientific and Industrious
- Leader: C.G.E. Mannerheim
- Special unit: Finnish Infantry (6/12/1)

Includes:

- Civilopedia entries for Finland and Finnish Infantry
- Portraits and animations of Mannerheim
- Install / Uninstall program for quickly switching between normal
Civilization III and this patch.

Note: as of now, this modification replaces the Persians. Until
adding a totally new civilization works 100% without crashes, I
figured this is the better way.

Anyway, here's the URL (the file's a bit too big for an attachment here it seems):

http://webusers.siba.fi/~paaltio/finmod

Also, read the readme file before using the install application; even though you can specify the paths manually, I'd recommend doing like the readme says.

Well, I hope you like it! Have fun. :)

Thanks paaltio, I'll go to try it out, but what about changing the finnish infantry to finnish hakkapelitos :)

Originally posted by Huippe
Thanks paaltio, I'll go to try it out, but what about changing the finnish infantry to finnish hakkapelitos :)

Heh, well, that is a good option of course, but somehow going with the WW2-based ideas felt more interesting to me. But if someone wants to create that kind of version of this mod, go right ahead. :)

I think the Unique units is not good enough as you have put it. A measly 20% increase in defense is not much. How about instead giving it a 2 move and call it Ski Infantry. This way it could retreat from slower units, making it more suitable for Winter War surrounding and hit-and-retreat tactics.

It´s of course a bit stupid to have a ski unit when there is almost no snow in Civ3, but Civ2 had Alpine Troops, so what the heck. :rolleyes:

Also, I would change the industrious trait to militaristic. Finland has been industrious only for about 50 years, but has been in several wars throughout its history.

Originally posted by Hurricane
I think the Unique units is not good enough as you have put it. A measly 20% increase in defense is not much.

Well, I had put it much higher before, but then a friend of mine who helped test it pointed out that it was way out of line compared to the other UUs.

And sure enough, there's always at most a 2-point difference even in the newer units like F-15 (or are there exceptions to this?). Sure the percentual change isn't as much as it were if a unique unit added, for example, 1 to the attack of 1, but I just wanted to keep it balanced with the rest of the game. How balanced the game is to begin with, that's not for me to decide. :) So I just went with the common norm.

How about instead giving it a 2 move and call it Ski Infantry. This way it could retreat from slower units, making it more suitable for Winter War surrounding and hit-and-retreat tactics.

That's an idea I pondered much, but again, like you pointed out, most of the terrain in Civ3 is anything but snow. I figured the best way to make it fit to the Civ universe was to just state that they can take advantage of the terrain and that's it.

Also, I would change the industrious trait to militaristic. Finland has been industrious only for about 50 years, but has been in several wars throughout its history.

This is pretty much the same issue as with the hakkapelito question above: what time period to emphasize. I wanted to emphasize the period of independence. It's a relatively short period, so historically speaking it's a bit misguided to emphasize it so much, but I decided to just go with what is fun instead. I usually don't do that, mind you, I'm a horrible nitpicker. :) But in this case, it just felt it was what I wanted.

However, one could argue even going pre-1917 doesn't warrant the militaristic label, since Finland hasn't been the aggressor (although in the Continuation War it was, so again it's complicated), it's mostly been a issue of Sweden vs. Russia. Of course there are examples of Finnish people recruited as soldiers to fight for Sweden etc. Using this as a definition for militaristic, I think almost all civilizations should be labelled as such, and it would pretty much void the whole concept of meaning.

But however, if you or anyone else sees potential in developing this mod further, I'm all for it. It's just that the holidays are over and I'm again way too busy with my studies, so I won't probably have much time to spend on it. If someone wants to help, I'm more than happy to accept that help.

This is pretty much the same issue as with the hakkapelito question above: what time period to emphasize. I wanted to emphasize the period of independence. It's a relatively short period, so historically speaking it's a bit misguided to emphasize it so much, but I decided to just go with what is fun instead. I usually don't do that, mind you, I'm a horrible nitpicker. :) But in this case, it just felt it was what I wanted.

Ok, I see your point and even tend to agree with it, especially since the Swedish Civ also discussed on this board includes pre-1800 Finland. Still, I think a Ski unit would be more fun than the boring Infantry. Perhaps we should call it a Ski/Bike Infantry???

Originally posted by Hurricane


Ok, I see your point and even tend to agree with it, especially since the Swedish Civ also discussed on this board includes pre-1800 Finland. Still, I think a Ski unit would be more fun than the boring Infantry. Perhaps we should call it a Ski/Bike Infantry???

I believe Jaeger could be the right name for the unit (tough its used by several other nations too). I personally like the idea of Infantry with movement of 2. Personally I don't like the "treat all terrains as road" - feature since it prevents the unit from using railroads :( I would like to point out also that historically (WWII and earlier) the equipment of Finnish infantry has been what they managed to get their hands to. So, I believe that "no resources needed" could be one option to compose that special unit.

Altough Mannerheim was a great general, Kekkonen would have been my choice for the leader :)

- Janne Keskinarkaus

I think also that Kekkonen would be better :)

I'd change that industrious to religious - Finns have always been quite religious and very loyal to their leaders...

...and what comes to the special unit discussion; I'd prefer Hakkapeliitta or just that ski unit. There's always a winter twice in a turn in modern ages...

Mannerheim was surly a better alternative cause he led the finns victorious thrue two wars, while kekkonen havent done anything extra important

Well, nothing important but leading Finland several decades almost like a dictator. (Ever heard of Kekkoslovakia? ;) ) He was also the one, who lifted Finland up from recession after WW2 and the one who finally made good contacts with Russians (Paasikiven linja).
In my opinion Mannerheim was a great -yet fascist- general (due all respect), but not the most important leader of all times. Should Americans then have Eisenhower as their leader?

Originally posted by Malachai
Mannerheim was surly a better alternative cause he led the finns victorious thrue two wars, while kekkonen havent done anything extra important

Oh... I tought that we lost both wars. But I have to admit that we didn't lose our indepence, but we sure did lose the wars! Remember how the Edvin Laine movie "Tuntematon Sotilas" ends?

Kekkonen did lead Finland for over two decades - with some questionable means sometimes, I admit - but I think he was the true great leader. He lead Finland through the cold war without us losing our indepence (at the same time Eastern Block - countries were under very heavy Soviet influence). If you really think Kekkonen haven't done anything extra important, you really should read Finland's history after the year 1945...

Mannerheim was a great General. He led the Whites through the Civil War and Finlannish Army through two wars against terrible odds in 1939 - 1945. But he lead the country as president - very reclutantly - only for 2 years. Mannerheim was very aristocratic figure and admired greatly the Tsar Nikolai II, who he served before Finland became independent. Yes, he was aristocratic but I really do not think that he was a facist as UKK claimed. Mannerheim did for example deeply despice Hitler.

So my reasoning is that: Mannerheim was a general - a Great Leader for Civ3 but Kekkonen truely led the country for over two decades!

- Janne Keskinarkaus

Ye ur modpack is so goddamn good. I`ve been waiting for Finnish civ to come nad finally its here.
By the way why don`t you check out my home page
Hyvanenaika (http://www.hyvanenaika.cjb.net)

Do you happen to know how many Finnish players are registered in Civfanatics ?

Actually, I think that Commercial would be the best civ ability to accompany Scientific and would best reflect Finland in the late 20th century (Nokia anyone?). Okay, it can be argued that Finland is, in a sense, "industrious" (e.g. cruise ships), but I think that the world knows about Finland because of Nokia (if it does know, that is).

Militaristic can't be justified because, as said, it means the nation has a militaristic tradition and has been the aggressor in wars. Yes, Finland was technically the aggressor in the Continuation War, but in the beginning we were taking back what was rightfully ours (i.e. what the Soviet Union had taken it the Winter War). It was only after the reclamation of Karelia and Vyborg that things got out of hand.

The unique unit concept is good, but would need a better name than plain "Finnish Infantry". Jaeger would seem to be the best option right now. And I agree with Janne that Kekkonen should be the civ leader and Mannerheim a great one.

hey does this civ allready work without replacing another? :)
Otherwise its great! Or can I how shall I fix it myself so it wont replace?

It was a time to get that Finnish civilization:goodjob:

And I think that industious and scientific are the right traits
Industrious because Finnish people have always been hardworking people and scientific because of the Nokia and all those IT companies but we must remember that when Roman Empire was on its top, Finns were in the iron age or was it even the stone age

Anyway, good mod:D

yeah its a great mod :)
I allso think that allmost all choses have been the right. Except perhaps that the finnish infantery should have 2 moves instead of 12 defens :). Well the finns were at the stone age then.... :)

Yeah we were at stoneage then but hey we caught up with the rest didnt'we

But hey, shouldn't the Finnish infantry unit be called "Korpisoturi". And it should not be translated into English because no English expression can perfectly correspond to our "Korpisoturi" :)

Thanks, Paaltio!:goodjob: At last Finnish civ! in my opinion, name "korpisoturi" is a good idea because it suits for every period in history. And there are already lots of other non-English warrior names.:lol:

Nice! Altough I would have liked to see Kekkonen as the leader! Mannerheim was more than anything a war leader; a general and later a marshal in the Finnish military. But as a president, he served only for 2 years, and I don't think he's really remembered because of that time.

While Mannerheim was a great military leader, Kekkonen was more than anything a political leader. He had more power than any president has ever had and nobody disliked this fact at the time, as he was also propably the most popular president we've ever had. He was re-elected over and over again... And served as a president for 25 years, if I remember correctly!

It should have definetly been Kekkonen.

Lol "Kekkoslovakia"... haha... that "Korpisoturi" is also funny :D

Ooh darn it stopped working when I installed the new patch :(

My Tomainia mod will have Field Marshal C.G.E.Mannerism as a leader of Infidelia. How about that? There's a pic and a newsclip of him in Tomainia daily.

i figured out a way to get a new civ not to crash. all u do is have no leaderhead.
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Custom (http://www.ford-wiki.com/wiki/Ford_Custom)

Hey, I am making a new winter uniformed Sissi Finnish flavour unit, based on the shadow infantry unit by Piernik. Just wanted to announce in case if someone here is already making something of a kind so I can save the trouble - I just started to work with it.

Any thoughts? Will have attack, run, death, default and victory animations - perhaps fidget where he smokes a cigarette or something. No skiing, that I can tell you. I will not send the whole flic yet, since only one attack direction is ready but I'll enclose a single pic of it.

It will have civ specific color arm band and cockade (kokardi). Problem is that arm band is perhaps too small for lighter colors and you may not be able to tell difference with every civ. Stronger colors like German blue and Roman red will look ok.

I am making FinlandMod for CivIII (see http://koti.mbnet.fi/kahoset/civ.htm).

Civ Finland
Leader: vaka vanha Väinämöinen (flics and pics)
Sciences: Religious & Scientific (Finns *are* rel and sci, aren't?)
Advances: Bronze working, warrior code
Sp. unit: Korpisoturi (6/11/2) (<>Infantry)

Files
Changed:
Civ3Mod.bic - added civ Finland and unit Korpisoturi
Art\units\units_32.pcx - added pic of Korpisoturi
Text\Civilopedia.txt - added civ Finland and unit Korpisoturi (texts)
Text\PediaIcons.txt - added civ Finland and unit Korpisoturi (paths)

Added:
Art/flics/VA_*.flc - Finland-animations
Art/leaderheads/VA_*.pcx - Finland-faces
Art/advisors/VA_all.pcx - Finland-faces
Art\units\Korpisoturi\*.* - Korpisoturi-animations
Art\Civilopedia\Icons\units\66*.pcx - Korpisoturi
Art\Civilopedia\Icons\Races\Suomi*.pcx - Finland-faces


About Continuation war (1941-44)... Soviet Union started it (and Winter War 39-40 also).

Hmmm... Finnish haven't really been religious for a long time, I'd say that the Finnish culture in general has changed incredibly much over the last 100 years. I'd say that if you want to make it look like a Finnish civilization in the 19th century (or before that), then it should be religious and militaristic (Finnish way of thinking was extremely pro-war until the 1918 civil war... if you don't believe me, just read the books and poems of our "national poets" like Runeberg).

And if you want to make it look like a current-day Finnish culture, then one trait would prolly be commercial and the other would be either industrious or scientific.

Cool! At last someone made it! :) Does it always crash? How big is the file? Anyway, it sounds cool! Great!

Wizard :jump:

Hi, you can now download my mod from my homepages (see http://koti.mbnet.fi/kahoset/civ.htm). It is about 600 kb, but there are no leaderhead-flics in zip, because they take 8 Mb. If you want to test the mod, please copy and rename some other leaderhead files (eg CA_*.flc -> VA_*.flc).


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Why I choose those sciences? I wanted some from older times and some new.
Religious: Finns have always respected rulers and God (not so much nowadays, in general, but in pre-50's). Example: Finland in 1932, mutiny of far right-wing Lapua movement (Lapuan liike) activated. The troops came together in Mäntsälä. This is known as Mutiny of Mäntsälä (Mäntsälän kapina). What did government and president Pehr Evind Svinhufvud, Ukko-Pekka? He spoke on radio and said: "Rebels in Mäntsälä! Please go home and calm down." And they obeyed.
Scientific: Nokia :)

As you may notice, it is only beta-version :).

Hehe.... some finns to bash is always fun ;) .... great work guys ! :goodjob:

...but, being scientific just bcoz of Nokia???? ... nah...

it crashes if you play it with 1.29. Play it with older version and it won't.

Ok, not just 'cos Nokia, let's recall eg Linus Torvarlds (linux), Jarkko Oikarinen (irc) and ... also big parts of spaceships (of ESA) are made in Finland.

FinMaster, have you copied some leaderhead flics to Väinämöinen flics (eg art/flics/CA_*.flc -> art/flics/VA_*.flc).

I have 1.29f. Happily, it works fine on my Civ. :D

Try to re-install civ, it worked on my mod.

Originally posted by Kahkonen
Ok, not just 'cos Nokia, let's recall eg Linus Torvarlds (linux), Jarkko Oikarinen (irc) and ... also big parts of spaceships (of ESA) are made in Finland.


... so you are making em scientific bcoz of some stuff they come up with the last 15 years? Still dont make any sense ....

Well .. he did say to represent modern Finland, and that would certainly fit ... thats a long list of accomplishments for a tiny country to make in 15 years!!! I'd say they'd have to be fairly scientific to do so!

OmniMower:
... so you are making em scientific bcoz of some stuff they come up with the last 15 years? Still dont make any sense ....

Yes yes, I wanted also something from modern times.

Originally posted by frekk
Well .. he did say to represent modern Finland, and that would certainly fit ... thats a long list of accomplishments for a tiny country to make in 15 years!!! I'd say they'd have to be fairly scientific to do so!

..ok, ok, you dont have to blow up for that case ;) ...just wanted to start a discusion.

Okay, now it's there: http://koti.mbnet.fi/kahoset/civ.htm

Final version 1.0
http://koti.mbnet.fi/kahoset/FinlandMod.zip (about 500 KB)
http://koti.mbnet.fi/kahoset/Flics.zip (about 1,6MB; leaderhead flics)

Please mail me, if it works :D

Perkele erikoisyksiköks myös Hakkapeliitta-ratsuväki! Liikkuminen 3 ja korvessa ei movepenaltyy. Niinkuin ois jo. Kiitos olen puhunut.

Ja sama englanniks et kaikki ymmärtää:
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You great and wise one, what if you made the Hakkapeliitta-Knight/Cavalry unit to be the Finnish civs UUnit. Move 3 and no move penalty in forest.

Thank you in advance:

No ei läppää vaan oli hyvä duuni pojat jatkakaa samaa mallii ja viedään Suomee maailmankartalle =)

Nice translation:goodjob:

BTW has anyone made this for PTW
EDIT: I'll do it for Conquests

Good job :gj:

Hello there neighbours :D

I just wonder if you guys was interesting knowing that the J35 Draken is done. Finland was using em right?

/Omni

Originally posted by OmniMower
Finland was using em right?

/Omni

Yep, for over 20 years IIRC. As a flavor in a cold war scenario they would be nice for Finns, but I doubt anyone would like to see "the flying iron" (iron as in ironing your clothes) as the UU for Finns. Glad we are rid of them. :D

I didnt mean that it would replace some other UU, just ADD it. There is nothing wrong in having several UU´s, and since there are 4 countries using it, its not exactly a UU. If you use all 4 civs that is :D

I feel rather ignorant talking about this Finnish mod, with all these Finns voicing their opinions. But, here goes:
The characteristics seem fine to me. From an American perspective, I've heard the Finns are hard workers, and that whole Nokia thing (the company, not the city) seems scientific to me. I've read that the Finnish 'respect religious authority, but most are not overly religious' (or something to that effect). Of course, that may just be modern Finns.
My only qualm about the mod is that the leader isn't animated. Is this hard to do?

I've been playing as the Finland with other European powers, and I can happily say I've just wiped the Russians off the face of the earth! (Pity the Scandinavians are still powerful...)

But anyway, I really appreciate this mod. Thanks, Paaltio.

With C3C the traits could be Agricultural and Industrious

Great work guys. I'll test this mod asap.

C3C traits agricultural and seafaring.

Agricultural:
Quite obvious.

Seafaring:
All those modern docks nowadays. Eastern sea route between Russian and Alaska was discovered by finns.

Seafaring, compared to Dutch, English and others, I'm not so sure.

C3C traits should rather be Agricultural and Scientific. Finland is surely not industrous compared to many other nations and nor is it religious, but despite its small size it leads the world science in many branches (electronics, biotechnology, even some parts of space research). And I also think that Kekkonen should be the leader and that UU should be named Jääkäri. :)

And still when Romans had a GA we were at stone age or something :crazyeye:

Come on, seriously... why is Finland not Industrious? How the hell do you guys think we have managed to turn a country this hostile in many ways into one of the most prosperous on Earth? Other peoples who live in similar conditions still raise reindeer and live in tents!

Even if I personally hate Runeberg for his utterly racist Fenno-Swedish ivory-tower depictions, his "Saarijärven Paavo" hits the spot really in my view of us Finns... up until the last decades, we have also been remarkably Lutheran, thus making us Religious as well. I also believe we retain in a lot of the ethics even as an increasingly secular society today.

Another issue is the suggestion of "Commercial"... this we most certainly are not. Heck, we were even going to sell Nokia to Sweden in the beginning of the 90s! Our industriousness has always been totally compromised by our non-commercialness. If we were as Commercial as the Swedes are, we would be even more a greater nation today, but we have a tendency of being suckered in commercial dealings...

Originally posted by HuckFinn
but we have a tendency of being suckered in commercial dealings...

I agree with you there! The initial agreements with the EU proved this to the point!

How about Agricultural and Industrious, instead of scientific? Sure, we have some science background with Nokia and various explorers, but you can always explain them away with our industriousness (or bullheadedness, if you will, since I'm from Ostrobothnia, originally) - we bang our heads until we get it right, or die trying. Just think of the old "suo, kuokka and Jussi" (swamp, hoe and John) story.

And someone should really animate a leaderhead for us!

Originally posted by Wolfwood
And someone should really animate a leaderhead for us!

Which program have you used? I draw them with Paint Shop Pro, but file size became too big and I had to cut some fine background art. So is there a program for making leaderhead anims?

Originally posted by Wolfwood
And someone should really animate a leaderhead for us!

I have!! (See avatar).

It will be released soon as part of my next mod. 3D animated, era-specific :) .

You trying to make some Finnish friends by realising a 3-D animated, era-specific leaderhead for them R8XFT?

Unless you want millions of Finnish fans R8XFT, I suggest you cease and desist! :lol:

For Unique Unit, amphibious infantry with

(wait for it)


fins.




and gills.
Or maybe a mermaid?

:rolleyes:
You just had to bump an old thread with nothing even remotely intelligent...

what's up with the pedialicons, no Tech in there, so everytime I load the game I get this error:
Missing entry in text\Pedialicons.txt: TECH_Bronze_Working
so I opened the Pedialicons and THERE IS NO TECH at all :eek: :cry:

With C3C the traits could be Agricultural and Industrious

I could vote for that. Agricultural and militaristic could be one solution too? There have been lots of wars here, and we still have draft based army. No? :crazyeye:

I'll have to try this out when I get home from the office!

ps. I some how like Mannerheim more...

Thanks! I love it.

great :goodjob:

Hmm... I downloaded the mod and it works fine, but I can't get any text in the Civilopedia (tribes-finnish) and there is no Kekkonen LH in the foreign advisor screen, just an questionmark. But these are small faulses, they don't really affect the playing, it would be nice to get them fixed though...

Nice site BTW, I'm a newcomer and I'm already addicted.