Im thinking about modding a new american leader with Philosophical & Expansive traits (like Peter of Russia) . Favors Representation. Fishing & Agriculture.

Which President in your opinion would best suit these charatoristics?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/

Also If I just changed the current leaders which would best suit these traits?

Thanks,
Enslaver :borg:

Im thinking about modding a new american leader with Philosophical & Expansive traits (like Peter of Russia) . Favors Representation. Fishing & Agriculture.

Which President in your opinion would best suit these charatoristics?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/

Also If I just changed the current leaders which would best suit these traits?

Thanks,
Enslaver :borg:

My bet would be Thomas Jefferson, Louisiana purchase and his philosphical nature... he would be the ideal choice.

I would go with the other Roosevelt.

He favors fishing and agriculture (having created more nature preserves than all the presidents before him combined), plus he's expansionist, being the guy who created the Great White Fleet and encouraging a large navy.

I would go with the other Roosevelt.

He favors fishing and agriculture (having created more nature preserves than all the presidents before him combined), plus he's expansionist, being the guy who created the Great White Fleet and encouraging a large navy.

Talk softly and carry a big stick doesn't sound very philosophical...

Abraham Lincoln perhaps? Not very expansive though, IIRC.

Talk softly and carry a big stick doesn't sound very philosophical...

Hey, the man studied philosophy at Harvard, what more do you want? I mean, just because you don't agree with or understand the man's philosophy doesn't make it less.

Roosevelt, "I took the Isthmus..."

I'll second Thomas Jefferson. He is definatively Philisophical and Expansive.
Come to think of it... Taft was rather Expansive...

Hey, the man studied philosophy at Harvard, what more do you want? I mean, just because you don't agree with or understand the man's philosophy doesn't make it less.

Studying Philosophy anywhere doesn't make one a philosopher, you can study art but never be an artist. It would seem that "aggressive" would be more apt for ted. Considering his legacy.

I'll say Thomas Jefferson. The Louisiana purchase I think was/is the single largest expansion of U.S. lands in it's history, I think. Or at least it was the most important. Philosophical is probably a stretch for him as far as the effects it has for gameplay but that's that.


On a similar note (because I don't think it deserves it's own thread) does anyone think that Geo. Wash. should have his "favored" civic changed from Universal Suffrage to "Representation"? There wasn't anything near universal suffrage in the America Washington presided over and fought for (blacks, women, etc) and the early american leaders were all about representation over "democracy".

Anyone know which file I can edit to change that for Washington?

My bet would be Thomas Jefferson, Louisiana purchase and his philosphical nature... he would be the ideal choice.

Immediately when I saw the question, Jefferson came to mind. Even when he didn't follow his philosophies, Jefferson was always very vocal about his views of Republicanism and wrote much about it. For Expansive, the Louisiana Purchase is a perfect example.

For techs, Agriculture works great. Fishing isn't as good, but it works as good as any other early tech.

I agree with Thomas Jefferson. As already mentioned - he's by far the best president to be identified as both Philisophical and Expansive. Every other Expansive president I can think of (Polk, Taft, Teddy Roosevelt immediatly come to mind) don't really scream "Philisophical" to me. If I were to do them as leaders, I suspect I would make Polk and Roosevelt Militaristic (true, Teddy was a Philosophy major, but he was, and still is, much better known for his exploits in Cuba during the Spanish American War), and Taft Commercial maybe?

I think either commercial or organized might work well for one of Taft's traits.

Jefferson's great and everyone seems agreed that he would be the best addition for a leader who has the traits you mentioned, but I'm going to throw out a couple of others just for the sake of arguement:

Woodrow Wilson - he was president of Princeton, which might be more intellectual than philosophical, but I think it's in keeping with game terms. Also, he brought America into WWI and estiablished the League of Nations; these could be called expansionist policies.

Kennedy - His expansionism got the US into the Vietnam War, Bay of Pigs happened on his watch, his handling of the Cuban Missle Crisis was about as expansionist as a nation could have gotten in the late 20th century, and he also refused to back down in Berlin, progressing American cultural and political expansionism into Asia, Europe, and Latin America. He was also certainly an idealist, setting up Peace Corps, greased the wheels of Civil Rights, and started the Apollo Program.

When I read "philisophical" I think "intellectual" in this century, so my choices may be completely off mark, but this was a fun subject, so I figured I had to contribute in some way.

James K Polk!

He fulfilled the US's Manifest Destiny by taking the Oregon territory from the Brits, and took the entire area that is now the SouthWest US from Mexico

...and after all, he's the only president to get a They Might Be Giants song.... (http://www.tmbw.net/wiki/index.php/Lyrics:James_K._Polk)

Jefferson's great and everyone seems agreed that he would be the best addition for a leader who has the traits you mentioned, but I'm going to throw out a couple of others just for the sake of arguement:

Woodrow Wilson - he was president of Princeton, which might be more intellectual than philosophical, but I think it's in keeping with game terms. Also, he brought America into WWI and estiablished the League of Nations; these could be called expansionist policies.

Wilson was anti-imperialistic for the most part, so I wouldn't call him expansionist

Kennedy - His expansionism got the US into the Vietnam War, Bay of Pigs happened on his watch, his handling of the Cuban Missle Crisis was about as expansionist as a nation could have gotten in the late 20th century, and he also refused to back down in Berlin, progressing American cultural and political expansionism into Asia, Europe, and Latin America. He was also certainly an idealist, setting up Peace Corps, greased the wheels of Civil Rights, and started the Apollo Program.

Kennedy might work. :)

I also agree with Jefferson with the Philosophical and Expansive traits. He did found a major university (Univ. of Virginia), so the cheap university bonus makes sense.

Abraham Lincoln perhaps? Not very expansive though, IIRC.

As a Southerner, we consider Lincoln quite the expansionist! <g>

Jefferson's great and everyone seems agreed that he would be the best addition for a leader who has the traits you mentioned, but I'm going to throw out a couple of others just for the sake of arguement:

Kennedy - His expansionism got the US into the Vietnam War, Bay of Pigs happened on his watch, his handling of the Cuban Missle Crisis was about as expansionist as a nation could have gotten in the late 20th century, and he also refused to back down in Berlin, progressing American cultural and political expansionism into Asia, Europe, and Latin America. He was also certainly an idealist, setting up Peace Corps, greased the wheels of Civil Rights, and started the Apollo Program.


I'd have to second the nomination for Kennedy.

Expansionism - Pushing for the moon.
Philosophical - "My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you: Ask what you can do for your country."

I'll have to give one more vote for Jefferson. Pretty much all my evidence has already been stated, and he immeadiately popped into my head when I saw American, philosophical, and exnpansive.

Jefferson would be my choice too. Teddy Roosevelt is a good choice too, but I think Jefferson fits the two traits better.

Of course, it would be much more entertaining to have a leaderhead of Martin "clown hair" Van Buren than either one.

Wilson was anti-imperialistic for the most part, so I wouldn't call him expansionist



Kennedy might work. :)

The more cynical among us might say that trying to establish a world-wide political body and then base it in America would be considered an expansionist act, even i. Plus, his entry into WWI took the US from being an Exemplar nation to a Crusader nation, using force to impose a certain world-view. Like I said, he's not a perfect fit, but there's a case to be made.

And thanks for the Kennedy support. It might be too soon to try to shoehorn Clinton in, but enough happened with Kennedy that he'd be a good fit for the game. Also, what about Reagan? Industrious and Expansionist - favors Representation? Man, I need to learn how to mod so I can put together a Cold War scenario...