On greece. it ruined the planet, and I lost. But those irritating greeks who STOLE ONE OF MY CITIES AND TORCHED IT payed.they had the second highest score when i did it, and not so much anymore.

those irritating greeks who STOLE ONE OF MY CITIES AND TORCHED IT

Well, dropping 40 ICBMs sure was the only sensible answer :goodjob:

So far I only used nukes in one of my games (5 of them and also against greece) and it sure messed up Alexander's day:nuke:

Well, dropping 40 ICBMs sure was the only sensible answer :goodjob:

So far I only used nukes in one of my games (5 of them and also against greece) and it sure messed up Alexander's day:nuke:


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:D

I don't know, has ALexander ever been friendly with the human player? I've never seena game where the human dosn't want to crush him, and i've yet to see him happy with the human player.

I don't know, has ALexander ever been friendly with the human player? I've never seena game where the human dosn't want to crush him, and i've yet to see him happy with the human player.

He's been friendly with me before. But since I always play as Cyrus the Great of Persian Empire, I had to pay him back for burning the Persepolis in real life history by cancelling my open borders treaty with Alexander when i had galleons full of offensive and siege units right outside of his cultural borders. That was a fun invasion.

I used to do that in Civ III sometimes. If I was at the end of the game that I was obviously going to win, like one turn from finishing Spaceship, or almost at domination limit, and an AI was still around that I didn't like too much, I would build up a huge amount of ICBMs and just fling them around the planet at every city that I didn't owned. So much fun.

Hey,

I used nukes only once as the Japanese in the CIVIII Pacific game.


Blaze Injun

I Used Nuke pretty often to speed up the end game of a conquest in Civ III when it doesnt bother to piss off other country anymore...(either too weak to do something about it or a sole survivor) but Inca felt once my Mighty Rage after 'trying to nuke me'. It was stopped by SDI defense... didnt do dommage... but they tried... and that was a crime that didnt go unpunished... I NUKED every tiles on their mighty Islands.... :nuke: :nuke:
:satan::banana: JOY!!!!!

It was really pleasing reconforting and orange!!!!

In Civ IV I'm still in Medieval but Peter (if he survives that long) will be recorded in history has the first B***CH that I nuke!!!!!!! :lol:
:crazyeye: :goodjob: :coffee:

I don't know, has ALexander ever been friendly with the human player? I've never seena game where the human dosn't want to crush him, and i've yet to see him happy with the human player.

Alexander wasn't even Greek. He was Macedonian. His father conquered Greece and when Boy Alex took over he burned whole cities to the ground to consolidate his hold on power. Then he sacks half the civilized world with Macedonian cavalry and Greek (mercenary) phalangite infantry and we're stuck with him as everyone's image of Greece. A fascist dictatorship run by a lunatic. Wonderful.

The game needs a second Greek leader. Pericles would be perfect - a peaceful builder. If they need an aggressive leader there's Leonidas or Alcibiades... anyone but Alexander.

Alexander wasn't even Greek. He was Macedonian. His father conquered Greece and when Boy Alex took over he burned whole cities to the ground to consolidate his hold on power. Then he sacks half the civilized world with Macedonian cavalry and Greek (mercenary) phalangite infantry and we're stuck with him as everyone's image of Greece. A fascist dictatorship run by a lunatic. Wonderful.

The game needs a second Greek leader. Pericles would be perfect - a peaceful builder. If they need an aggressive leader there's Leonidas or Alcibiades... anyone but Alexander.

He wasnt Greek but... where do you put him in a Civ game... Macedenians were more barbarian than a civ big enough to even be consider and a games like Civ without the greatest Occidental Conquerer would be a shame...
And in some ways he won his empire in Greek names, he has greek tutor, Greek writers and a largerly part of his army was Greek!!! so even if he wasnt born Greek.. he conquer under Greek influence through out!!! And couldnt be in any other civs present in Civ IV

I agree that Greek would need another leader.. cause they are consider more Peacefull in general than conquerors like in Alexander's era. But having Alexander in the game is a must so!!! And I'm sure in a way that when some expansion comes, we will have more leaders and some civ back like Scandinavians and Celt or even Hitties or some forgotten ones, new ones!!!!

Alexander wasn't even Greek. He was Macedonian. His father conquered Greece and when Boy Alex took over he burned whole cities to the ground to consolidate his hold on power. Then he sacks half the civilized world with Macedonian cavalry and Greek (mercenary) phalangite infantry and we're stuck with him as everyone's image of Greece. A fascist dictatorship run by a lunatic. Wonderful.

The game needs a second Greek leader. Pericles would be perfect - a peaceful builder. If they need an aggressive leader there's Leonidas or Alcibiades... anyone but Alexander.

Alexander was indeed Greek, read some history my friend, Macedonias always thought themselves as Greeks

Alexander was indeed Greek, read some history my friend, Macedonias always thought themselves as Greeks
But Greeks thought of them as barbarians.

Khan got uppity with me in my last game, so I nuked him 5 times.......course, the cheeky bastard shot down 2 of them, then passed a Non-proliferation treaty which stopped my production of 5 more.

LOL


Non-proliferation shouldn't stop me from making my own, just shouldn't let me give them to others.....

:nuke:


He was cheating anyway, I razed all his improvements to the ground with mechinized infantry and modern armor, yet he still managed to build 40+ units in his city around it with ease and defend the city (with cannon and horse archers against tanks and marines..... :crazyeye: )

Alexander wasn't even Greek. He was Macedonian. His father conquered Greece and when Boy Alex took over he burned whole cities to the ground to consolidate his hold on power. Then he sacks half the civilized world with Macedonian cavalry and Greek (mercenary) phalangite infantry and we're stuck with him as everyone's image of Greece. A fascist dictatorship run by a lunatic. Wonderful.

The game needs a second Greek leader. Pericles would be perfect - a peaceful builder. If they need an aggressive leader there's Leonidas or Alcibiades... anyone but Alexander.

dude before alexander and the macedonians there was no greek state... they were just cities who had similar beliefs and spent more time fighting each other than they did anething else. its a wonder that the persians couldnt take advantage of the political situation in greece and have conquered it well before alexander and his father

I have had no problem with Alex, but I normally manage to convert him to my religion pretty quickly, even had him vote me into a diplo victory, japan on the other hand :mad:

I don't know, has ALexander ever been friendly with the human player? I've never seena game where the human dosn't want to crush him, and i've yet to see him happy with the human player.


ive not had any problems with him... hes not in my pocket... but hes definitly friendly to me.. and so far nowhere near enough for me to worry about... thankfully egypt *IS* in my pocket.. which is a good thing since i compelty surround them now after a mutual war with another nation.... lol.. the map started me in the center of all the nations surounding me sorta... im spread across the equator and parts of the southern hemisphere.. with egypt and another one totally surrounded by me... i like egypt and make sure shes my friend.. the other one im going to have to shred fairly soon though so i wont have to fight a war on at least 3 should they try to ally... thankfully they decided to follow their own religion and wont convert... so they shouldnt get too many allies... one of these days i expect a religious war of jewish vs bhuddism maybe... thankfully the top 3 nations are all jewish and the another 2 are in the middle with only one very weak jewish nation... and i have their holy city :)

What's even more fun is winning a diplomatic victory, and then launching all those nukes afterwards :)

Alcibiades as a leader of the Greeks is not a good idea---he never actually did anything. A good general, sure, but he was a major cause of the fall of athens (i.e. arguing for the invasion of Sicily). helped them survive a little longer than they might have in the end, but he betrayed them a couple times along the way and was a drunk weirdo (but that's neither here nor there). And I like Alcibiades. still hee doesn't represent anything of the "great" ancient Greece. Pericles I could give you but he never ruled "Greece" so that doesn't make sense. Alexander is of course the only appropriate Greek leader---you must have a Greek civilization because the Greek-cultured Macedonian Empire (and by having a Greek culture they were Greek---exactly the definition that the Greeks used) ruled so much of the world. And the only leader in Greek history to a) rule Greece and b) rule a Greece significant enough to be civilization in the game is Alexander. Not sure what his bad traits have to do with his not being in the game. And not sure what your definition of Greek is because the only one the Ancient Greeks had was speaking Greek (hence, barbarian---one who says "bar bar bar" not Greek) and Alexander spoke Greek. The Greeks who called them barbarians were people like Demosthenes, those who didn't want to get taken over. Anyway, not worth discussing really.

Long story short, Alexander would nuke you if he could (accurate of his personality I'd say) so having him in the game and having him getting nuked so much seems to make sense.

Leonidas was not an aggressive leader---I can't think of a less aggressive leader. The Spartans were as little aggressive as they come---they hated to go on campaign, always didn't want to.

Wrong forum though....

and Pericles wasn't a peaceful builder---he was extremely aggressive, consolidating a rather brutal Athenian empire.

How often has anyone been nuked, or been saved by SDIs in CivIV? and what difficulty were you on? ive never seen any AI in civIV use a nuke.

dude before alexander and the macedonians there was no greek state... they were just cities who had similar beliefs and spent more time fighting each other than they did anething else. its a wonder that the persians couldnt take advantage of the political situation in greece and have conquered it well before alexander and his father

Yes Thebes did it before him. And Sparta before that, and Athens before that.

Macedon was a GREEK KINGDOM. End of story.

I live for ICBM's. As you can tell by my nickname. I always stockpile a whole heap and wait untill someone really annoys me and then I launch a massive strike with ICBM's and follow it up with constant air strikes.

I wonder if Alex-boy is mentally disturbet in this game too, actually I think he is!
I played a peaceful start which went well until the japanese came out of the jungles with millions of chariots - spearmen saved my day but it was close...Just when the immediate danger is over...Freddie the germ (Krueger, grr?) attacks me out of "cautious" reputation and takes two cites fast and my empire has a big area so relocating naturally took some time...If it where not for a strategical line reaching all the way along my French (me) - german border Id be bones and dust now...In the middle of all this...Alex-boy attacks. GRRR. I get so pissed of so I aim it all on him and takes one of his major cities fast and soon I manage to negotiate a peace with him and immediately he's "cautious" and soon "friendly". Wierdo. Guess he respects strength or something.

I think Alexander does admire power, he was constantly opening negotiations with me as I was grinding the dirty Germans to dust. Trading became even easier once I turned my war machine onto the Persians. He didn't like me knocking out his cities however, I wonder why? :D Back to the subject of this thread, I don't use nukes generally; but it was fun in CivII to plant a nuke in an enemy city, get caught and watch wave after wave of opposing civs come after you because of it, ah, the memories.

-IceLion

i had alex friendly with me because he was my religion and he still attacked. i took one of his cities and after peace he was back to friendly with the only - in the diplo relations for close borders. didn't even complain i took his city :-)

i only used nukes once just to see what theye were like.

I drop nukes in every one of my games, but i did it most on the egyptians
(thats what they get for declining MY trade:mad: )

it's fun when you're bored to to :nuke: the british in the revolutionary war scen.:)

This afternoon I nuked the Spanish 22 times, the Aztecs 6 times and the Russians 16 time. Spain was Nuked so hard that there wasn't an inch of unpolluted territory left! End up razing ALL Spanish cities for good measure.

This thread makes me smile. :D

One time I went the evil dictator route and declared war on everyone. I was winning for a while, then started to lose big time. As my borders were depleting I started to stockpile nuclear missiles in one city. As they were nearing it I unleashed my nukes, destroying at least two of my enemy nations before they finally got me. The environment was properly ruined - I doubt the earth would ever recover. :cool:

you mixed hitler with stalin

Last night I was out to relieve a bit of stress, played a peaceful game... Right up until Russia randomly declares war on my 2 cities russing cossacks into Hamburg to take my wonders from me.

I managed to stop them from taking berlin in the nick of time, with a large stack of Cossacks and Catapults ready to tear down my great walls. The peace was short lived however, as Peter believed he could return with a larger force and take me again. I was now fully irritated at him, decided it was time for the "IT" factor.

..."IT" being entering the world builder to put close to 100 ICBM's on Berlin. Yes, the blood would soak russian streets tonight. I had Alexander come with me to declare on Russia, I sent each and every ICGM after Russian cities, destroying all 23 of them that I saw enough for my anger to be fully quenched by fire.


I must say, nukes are amazingly well done in that game, and having watched almost 100 of them at one country in the span of 10 minutes made me feel dangerously close to the king of everything. I tried to go to sleep at 2 in the morning and I couldn't stop laughing...and laughing... and laughing.

you mixed hitler with stalin

"Take what you learn and make it your own" as they say. ;)

I've only used nukes once, tonight. As it happened, there still were barbarians...
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/Nuking_the_barbarians.JPG

My current project involves accumulating as much negative reaction from AI as possible. :mischief: One recent opponent said, after 1 turn of nuking:

My current project involves accumulating as much negative reaction from AI as possible. :mischief: One recent opponent said, after 1 turn of nuking:


Haha... -60... nice.... let's see, in cIV time that will be....... 2500 years before they forgive you

This reminds me of when I'd cheat in Civ2 when a game went south, just to unload the frustrations.

"Oh, so you're going to make war with me in the first 20 turns and swamp me with chariots, eh? Well, let's see what your little horse whippers can do against a few Stealth Bombers, baby!"

Bloodlusty..:goodjob: :satan: :dance: :clap: :snowgrin: :xmassign:

Nice pic. SamE.

Alexander only truly became crazy after Bucephalus and Hephaestean died. Before that, he (usually) treated his subjects and those he conquered very well.

I've only used nukes once, tonight. As it happened, there still were barbarians...
Heh. Sounds like my last game where I dropped about 50 nukes on Russia, Japan, Greece, Germany, and Rome. Catherine built bomb shelters so it was no fun nuking her cities anymore. So I looked for her strategic resources. Hey, there's an oil field...it's in range of my bombers, but has a few SAMs garrisoned on it. Better not take the chance. KABOOM!!!

What's that? A uranium mine? Ooh yeah, gotta take that one out. KABOOM!!!

Then I looked to their food resources. Rice paddy? KABOOM!!! Wheat field? KABOOM!!! What's left? Well...Japan has some sheep. Should I nuke the sheep?

...Why ask why? KABOOM!!!

Had to stop playing for the night after that. I mean, c'mon. I actually NUKED SHEEP! :devil: :rotfl:

Had to stop playing for the night after that. I mean, c'mon. I actually NUKED SHEEP! :devil: :rotfl:

real cheap trick

I just finished nuking Saladin back into the stone age, I had no choice!, he was on a hell bent mission to wipe my thriving peacefull civ off the map, I just couldnt let that happen. I flew a recon into his territory and Aha! just as I had suspected, he had amassed a huge army of tanks and infantry ready to roll.

I guess about 40-45 nukes did the job on his 15 or so city's, the whole continent is just a glowing mass of desertion, that'll teach him. HA!

I only used nukes once. I was at war with the Aztecs, (who were on another continent) and they had a huge stack in the city I was trying to take. So...

KRACKA-BOOM!

I was amazed at how few defenders were left. Taking the city was easy. I then went on to take over the resr of the Aztec Empire. I even got the Buddhist Holy City! (Which gave me a lot of much-needed cash)

On greece. it ruined the planet, and I lost. But those irritating greeks who STOLE ONE OF MY CITIES AND TORCHED IT payed.they had the second highest score when i did it, and not so much anymore.

yes finaly some1 who understands power comes through nukes

:nuke: + more :nuke: = :king:

I hate being placed beside Japan. He attacks at the first sign of weakness and the only logical solution is to nuke everything he has.

And the moral of this whole thread is....

Never let a Civ player become president/prime minister/etc. in real life.

Hmmm. Wonder if George W Bush got his military training by playing Civ....? Would explain a lot... :lol:

I went into WorldBuilder once just goofing around and gave myself about 300 nukes. I nuked every single tile in Saladins country about 4 or 5 times. The -287 " You nuked us!!" was pretty funny. Not even a road left and all of his cities were down to one pop.

Had to stop playing for the night after that. I mean, c'mon. I actually NUKED SHEEP! :devil: :rotfl:
If you are stalin006 that's actually not that difficult or weird...

I dislike nuclear weapons, mainly because I'll be rolling over that ground in the next few turns, and would like to use some of those cities to crank out troops to take more cities, thank you very much. I only ever turn the city of Washington, DC into a glowing hunk of radioactive dust with 1 pop in a Civ IV game (mainly because that way the Beltway doesn't exist anymore. Heh heh).

Leonidas would make for a suitable Greek King, he's my personal favorite, and Pericles was indeed a nice little Athenian, but I hate those Athenians, so they can all eat ****.

Also, Napoleon wasn't French, but he ruled France. Alexander was Macedonian, but he ruled Greece, he united Greece. I don't like Alexander either, but hes still an appropriate leader for the Greeks. It'd be nice if every nation had atleast 2 leaders to pick from.

the most nukes I have used in one game was 57. Global warming was crazy. The whole world was desert before I even knew it.

The whole point of the 57 nuke game was to just drop a whole lot of nukes. I didn't really worry about anything else. Very fun, seeing 57 nukes. The AI was wiped out, and, becuase I was on good terms with most of them, completely clueless.

Leonidas would make for a suitable Greek King, he's my personal favorite, and Pericles was indeed a nice little Athenian, but I hate those Athenians, so they can all eat ****.

Also, Napoleon wasn't French, but he ruled France. Alexander was Macedonian, but he ruled Greece, he united Greece. I don't like Alexander either, but hes still an appropriate leader for the Greeks. It'd be nice if every nation had atleast 2 leaders to pick from.


Indeed. Nappy was Couriscan. Just like Stalin wasn't Russian...he was Georgian.

Maybe you guys can help me with a proplem of mine, I have 115 nukes in thier silos sitting around collecting dust. Any ideas?

Maybe you guys can help me with a proplem of mine, I have 115 nukes in thier silos sitting around collecting dust. Any ideas?
You should already know what these wackos will say!

KABOOM!

Declair war on who ever is unlucky enough to be sharing the same planet as you! That's what they'll say! Cover the planet in a green ooze! I say just keep them around, just in case. If someone is winning the space race, Nuke them into the stone age! If you win... :satan:

I found a solution, after scoring my first time victory, I decided to use the nukes that I continued to build, now numbering over 200. I declared war with every surviving nation on earth, nuked all capitals and large cities. they don't call it Bomb-bay for nothing, 27 IBCMs in that city alone:D. Nagasakai was also on my list of places to nuke even if it was only a size 2 city. Oddly enough it is very satisfiying.

edit: I should add that my leader was ghandi

I think we can all agree nukes make us feel gooooooood

I think we can all agree nukes make us feel gooooooood

I second that. In fact there is nothing more satisfying to me in this game than this.

http://files.tagworld.com/680a9e860309471a4652b2ea2c9d135c003d.jpeg

I am in a game were I am at war with china. It's tough, because I have to fight against a nearly-equal opponet. (I had to. He was beating on by friend Asoka too much) So I plan on using nukes! Lot's of them! If I can't take the cities, I'll nuke them to death!

megalomaniac, did you turn off domination because that is a LOT of territory.

Yes I did. :D :D The culmination of that game can be found here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=138260&page=60).

I don't know, has ALexander ever been friendly with the human player? I've never seena game where the human dosn't want to crush him, and i've yet to see him happy with the human player.

I was french once and he was quite happy with me, even when Sparta revolted against him to join me...

I unno...in civ 4 I loved nukes...it's the ultimate show of power and peace....you don't hold the peace you see my power :-D....but in civ 3....man I had one hell of a time with the zulu playing on marla's map....I would establish a colony on the southern most tip of africa...man that city was so disputed it was unreal...first by the indians, then by the zulu...then by me again, then the french, back to the zulu....I finally got a strong enough military force to keep it under my rule....I started building units (of course with my cap. being washington, set in the right place...it was a rather long time before I could get a significant force going)...but I started an advance on the zulu who might I add most of their defensive army was comprised of the zulu UU that they had built AGES ago...and were still DEFENDING GOOD!...I rolled a few tanks up to their front doors and knocked.....and they killedmy tank...wiht A ZULU SPEARMEN!!!!!!!!!......it was gay...I got pissed because shaka wasent happy with me, I wasent happy with him so I nuked his @$$....and it worked too, I walked through and systematically....persuaded all of his cities to.........okay I systematically wiped shaka from the face of the planet....He pissed me off though!!!

I don't know, has ALexander ever been friendly with the human player? I've never seena game where the human dosn't want to crush him, and i've yet to see him happy with the human player.


In the game I'm writing a story on now, Alex is my only ally, and he is Friendly. :king:

Isabella is smarter then she looks:

I was playing a game where Gengis Khan asked me for help in their war with Spain, I figurred, what the heck, I HATED Spain in that game. They were always making random demands and asking me to convert to their religion. Of course I brought my Russian allies into the war because she was much closer to Spain. Then, something like one turn before my first nuke was built, Spain surrenders (capitulates), first time that ever happened to me. I decided to accept her surrender to avoid the global warming caused by nukes... of course that was BEFORE Catherine decided to nuke every barbarian city on a faraway continent that only I controlled (seriously, none else settled their), after I won the game (space race) I decided to have some fun nuking Napoleon, who subsequently changed his name to: Napoleon Blown-apart-y.

...And one other thing, someone should really post a BtS screenshot of the Next War scenario where your advisers tell you: You should have listened to your scientists:old::old::old: , the earth has cracked like an egg becuase of to much nuking: everybody looses

Hehehehe :bump: :nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::devil::devil: :devil:

Please don't bump old threads. Somebody please lock this thread.

lawl, i just did the exactly same thing as Persia in my warlord level game, i was somewhere at modern times, 21st century, spaceship was already sent.

I had my whole continent in control after a gruelling war against HRE (i killed so many spammed units that I got 3 great generals out of that war, sure was a bit tedious tho :mad:)

I had all the techs, but I had forgotten to upgrade one of my city garrison spearmen up to mechanized infantry level :D so the A.i invaded and got one of my cities :eek:

well my modern armors liberated them shortly afterwards, I was making an ICBM every 1 or 2 turns in my second city with ironworks. I had about 150 nukes I guess, before the fireworks started?! No idea how many I actually dropped but Justinian the first got about 72, suleiman got around 22. and some went towards the third vassal. I ran out of target cities I think, I nuked every city atleast twice


too bad the nukes suck bad compared to civ3 and the awesome strategy game hearts of iron 2 :mad:

Sometimes ICBMs are the only way to make sure you are not gonna get completely destroyed. I once had a technologically advanced country but had an undeveloped military when Charlemagne attacked. I crapped my pants and so decided the only way to deter him was to unleash nuclear hell...it worked but then America's spaceship beat me by like 10 turns...

Leonidas was not an aggressive leader---I can't think of a less aggressive leader. The Spartans were as little aggressive as they come---they hated to go on campaign, always didn't want to.

Wrong forum though....

and Pericles wasn't a peaceful builder---he was extremely aggressive, consolidating a rather brutal Athenian empire.

This is priceless!:crazyeye:

I never use nukes. I can't see any advantages in them.

Since Civs are smart enough to win cultural victories and not smart enough to spread units about properly, Nuking is a great way to turn the odds in your favor. Nothing is better than seeing a vertical downward line in the enemy's power graph.

Okay thats one advantage I guess.

I've recently found nukes useful in that: an enemy will be fighting with outdated units but there's so many of them that my superior units can't defeat them, solution: 2 nuclear missiles will destroy a stack of units no-matter how powerful they are, the exception being the Assault Mech and Dreadnought from 'Next War' and possibly the Modern Armor; I've never used nukes against navies because my opponent usually neglects to build them.