The National Religious Organization, which shall be referred to as the NRO, will have the goal of founding and propagating a home-based religion. The NRO will be founded under the following simple principles:

1. These founding principles are the official platform of the NRO and do not necessarily represent the views of every member.

2. No religion shall be favored due to its actual dogma, only location on the tech tree and wether or not it comes with a free missionary.

3. The goals of the organization should be for the benefit of the democracy, therefore, since we believe having a religious holy city that matches one's own religion and converting other civilizations to one's own religion is beneficial, we will not push for unreasonable requests that would hurt the non-religious aspects of our country.

4. Once a Holy City is founded within our lands, that is the official religion that the NRO will adopt and strive to propagate.

5. The NRO is to be a purely democratic citizen group and no leader or group of leaders will make changes to the principles.

6. The principles of the NRO may not be edited until there are at least 5 members of the organization.

7. To edit the principles, a member must post all requested changes and get 1/2 (rounded up) of the members to support the call for editing. If the required number of members support the call, a vote will be placed on wether or not to bring the changes into effect, and if 2/3 of the NRO body vote for the changes they will be put into place and these principles will be changed as suggested.

8. Anyone who desires home religion may join the NRO by posting a simple message stating their membership and adding NRO to their signature.

9. Members who have not been heard from for 2 weeks will be removed in order to prevent sleepers from blocking votes, but anyone who times out may simply rejoin upon return (removal is based on 2 weeks exactly from last post.)

The National Religious Organization is looking to build membership before the game begins in order to prepare and aim for an early Holy City, please feel free to join, and early is better.

Official Signature Tag: Member of the National Religious Organization (NRO)

Official Member List:
Nomad Bryce
Strider
Nobody
RaRe
I am the Future
Alphawolf
greekguy
Armed Maniac
LoneOne
RoboPig
admiral-bell
dorkforce3
Pegasus_wings
Knightlancer
Cell Dude
Swissempire
UnitQ
mhcarver
Kras
smeiter.de
SamE
CivGeneral
xyourxmomxcorex
vikingruler

As the designer of the original NRO I of course will join as its first new member and look to be surrounded by similar thinking individuals so that we can begin to work towards our common goals.

I'll be the first (okay, second technically, but still) to join!

I would like to join this religious movement, and i shall make generous donations to the religious group.

I would also like to join this organization!

20 minutes, 4 members. I'm glad so many people can agree that a state religion is a good idea and something to cooperate and push for. =]

I shall Join.

:worship: CivGod :worship:

I'm glad so many people can agree that a state religion is a good idea and something to cooperate and push for. =]

I'll join. I agree that a state religion is a very good idea for this game, but what happen if we get two holy cities? Should we also spread that religion, not to the same extent as the first since we don't want other Civs going away from our first (state) religion, but enough to cause disorder?
-the Wolf

I'll join, this looks interesting. May i suggest you edit in a "Official" Members List into the first post, so we know who's a member without scrolling through the thread.

The inforce the national unity of the people, i will join this cause.

I can't believe I would actually ever agree that a state religion is a good thing, but after having read a lot on the boards, I think I will join as it seems that a state religion can have some very good benefits. Of course, I may have to withdraw my membership if, after receiving my copy (Amazon is so sllllloooooow), I decide not having a state religion is better.

I also second AWolf's suggestion that we decide how to handle more than one religion within our civ. I think (again, as of right now) that we should probably promote all religions...might as well be able to reap all the potential bonuses of having them. I do think though that if the Holy City of another said religion is subjugated by an enemy Civ (read: any other Civ?) we should seek to free said Holy City (if for no other reason than we get to "control" more religious holy cities…not to mention more gold).

i'll join, state religion is what i always go for.

I also second AWolf's suggestion that we decide how to handle more than one religion within our civ. I think (again, as of right now) that we should probably promote all religions...might as well be able to reap all the potential bonuses of having them. I do think though that if the Holy City of another said religion is subjugated by an enemy Civ (read: any other Civ?) we should seek to free said Holy City (if for no other reason than we get to "control" more religious holy cities…not to mention more gold).

From what I've played so far have a state religion is good in that it gives up more happiness and gold in the cities with your state religion. Late in the game a civic (forgotten the name at the moment) makes diversity a very good thing but that is later in the game.
-the Wolf

With two state religions I did not put that in the principles, I titled it with the goal of one sole religion which of course could be changed later in the game for freedom of religion. The goals are ours and transient as to the needs of the time period. Early in the game I only really want one religion in our land (my oppinion, dont mistake me for having any more power then anybody else) but later in the game it could be extremely beneficial to have many. We will adjust as the group decides. But the sole purpose of the organization is to push the benfits of religion, whatever they may be at the time, as a priority. As the principles stand, the wording states that the first founded religion is THE religion that will be adopted automatically, so unless we edit that only the first religion will be considered valid. But so many aspects of this will be determined DURING the game, there are so many variables where one option could be better then another that we will need to make most of these determinations later. For now we just want an organization to push religion early, I personally have found that the sooner you start your religion the greater the benefit, especially with converting others which REALLY helps foreign relations.

I can't believe I would actually ever agree that a state religion is a good thing, ... Of course, I may have to withdraw my membership if, after receiving my copy (Amazon is so sllllloooooow), I decide not having a state religion is better.

I completely agree! As a devout Won Buddhist, I could only imagine if America adopted christianity as a state religion. But for the games purposes a state religion has no negative effects other then a low upkeep and a large amount of positive benefits. You get LOS in all foreign cities with our religion (doesnt even have to be other countries official religion, so we can use it to keep tabs on our enemies) You get culture in your cities with it plus bonuses from the religions religious buildings. In addition you get really good relations with countries that have your religion which prevents war and supports fair trade relations. The only negative things are that you have like a 1gold upkeep cost(early in game) and civs with different official religions will dislike you. But this will happen anyway, as if the computer civs are left to themselves they will become very divided and adopt all different religions. Therefore if you want anyone to get along, you kind of have to force it yourself by spreading your religion to religionless civs early on and build a religious block of allies and trading partners.

sign me up. What religion do you think we will get

sign me up for the jihad:) :)

sign me up. What religion do you think we will get

I hope we get Buddism from my time with the game it's usually the first we just need to beat everyone else.

You get LOS in all foreign cities with our religion (doesnt even have to be other countries official religion, so we can use it to keep tabs on our enemies) Only if we have the Holy City not if it's just our state religion, this is a good reason to have all the holy cities.

I hope we get Buddism from my time with the game it's usually the first we just need to beat everyone else.
This has been my experience also.
-the Wolf

I mean a lot of this depends on our starting situation. If we start with a Mysticism Civilization then we should push for meditation IMMEDIATELY. But if we get a non Mysticism civilization it is quite likely We'll miss the time crunch for those first two, Hind and Bud. Its possible to grab Jud, but I generally have found it more convenient to take a non-religious tech route the leads to Philosophy or Code of Laws. Confucianism in particular seems to come up again and again as an ideal religion time and achievable wise for non-Mystic civs.

Will we push to convert our neighbor's backward beliefs and try to set in motion a holy war to liberate their people?

How about we try to discover as much religion as we can.

Are we to prioritize missionaries to spread the religion than other productions?

Its all a matter of what the group thinks, but a lot of time I feel as though these questions are directed at me. Personally, Holy War = Bad Idea. Once they take a religion where all their cities belong to it, they are lost to us. I have found that a civ will convert to first religion spread to lands, but will also convert again if another religion later exists in more of their cities then the first. But once we lose a civ, I'm more worried about internal cultural improvement, war is quite unnecessary. I am personally am an extreme pacifist and rarely agree with any military action in civilization. I believe in dominance without war. With culture, economy, and technology, we can ovverwhelm other nations without touching them. And Missionaries are EXTREMELY important and must be utilized to quickly and effectively target and convert civilizations and our own border towns (so that border towns will get free cultural growth)

I'll join.
-KL

I would like to become a member of the NRO. Is there anything other than putting it in my sig that I will needed to do?

I wish to lend my little minisucle non-meaniful support to your party

I would love to join the NRO and uphold the peoples rights to beleave in God and his wonders :salute:

I would like to join the NRO

I dedicate my life for the Divine Task of founding the Holy City!
"For the greater Good!"

I am in......

I'm all with Nomad Bryce on the Holy War= Bad thing unless we get more out of it than just a holy war. It also seems that you people support religion, hey, so does the Destiny Party... Hmmmm... You might wanta check that out... Maybe.... See Sig link.... j/k:lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh... Heretics= SO:ar15:

Religion is an important part of the Game now. :mischief: The Inlightened Imperialist Party (IIR) (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=137356) understands this completely.:D

-the Wolf

I feel compelled to state the Communist support of spreading peaceful relations (Religion being a main method of improving foreign affairs) since all the other partys are doing it :P

This is hardly necessary, but the NPUS shares this group's goal.

oops, i started a party battle:lol:

I would also like to state the MOO suports this organization IF AND ONLY IF we are Hindu. Cows are sacred after all.
:lol:

PS I am not in MOO :)

I would like to note that although the NRO thread is currently dormant, when it comes time for a census we will become active once more. Simply because there is nothing further to discuss in pregame preparation does not mean that active participation will be unnecessary when the game begins.

I'll join, a bit late. I just can't live without a religion. In one game, Saladin founded Christianity and Confucianism, switched to Confucianism, and Christianity spread to my cities. I managed to spread it to 37% of the world after that. In the end, the only other Christian leader had three cities.

Also, I never leave Organized Religion or Theocracy even after Free Religion. Those +25%/2exp are worth it.

a bit late. You're not late if the game hasn't started yet. ;)

-the Wolf

I have question for anyone with the patch: do you have line of sight on cities that share your state religion and you have the holy city of that religion?

The game I'm playing right now the first one after I installed the patch, I have the holy city of Buddhism and almost all rival cities have Buddhism, I’ve been prolific with missionaries, yet I don not have line of sight one any of them, and Buddhism is my state religion.

Something like that happened to me too, but I had Hinduism, and it started after I installed the patch v1.09

-the Wolf

1) is buddhaism there state religion?

2) Vote Triumvirate, its views are far more in sync with the goals of the NRO

I took a look at the save from that game and I'll post a screen shot if someone will tell me how. This is probably the same thing that happened to Pegasus_wings. I took a look at the religion advisor screen and it said there were no Holy Cities for either Hinduism or Judaism which were both founded in my city of New York. I fixed it in the map editor and now it's fine. I also switched to another religion for which I had the Holy City, Christianity and I saw the few cities that had it so I'm guessing for me it was a glitch to do with New York, I had all the Holy Cities but one, yet any religion founded in New York had no Holy City.

-the Wolf

If this organization prefers no particular religion, then I'll join.

If this organization prefers no particular religion, then I'll join.

We prefer the religion of which ever Holy City we get first. ;)

-the Wolf

I'm reserving judgment until I see starting conditions. While I generally favor religion, it depends a bit on the leader and the map. The highest-scoring game I've played had me founding no religion at all (and only adopting a state religion for about 6 turns before switching to Free Religion).

I would like to join this party :).

I would like to announce that I have been nominated for the position of Minister of Culture. This could prove to be very beneficial to our cause! This will grant me control of missionaries and some control over cultural buildings. I would like to ask fellow members of the NRO to support me in the upcoming race. Having said this, I would also like to note that another member of the NRO will be running. The highly capable swissempire would also make a good minister, and I wish him good luck in the race. Either way its a win/win situation for the cause, and don't forget to vote!

I would like to join

Hey all you religious Dudes. You probably are looking for a church to praise and worship in, arn't you? If so then why not stop by the First Church of State. A nice little place to go and Role Play, make friends, save your mortal souls, or just get free food. SO come over. Bow down to peer preasure :)


:jesus: (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=149782)

:lol: :lol: you people better stop with that graaaaah zoombi brain eating thing.

I knew there was nothing better then porn

I have the most out of any one on civfanatics though, ha ha ha ha ha

I have the most out of any one on civfanatics though, ha ha ha ha ha
i'm 2nd though! but it may be retired soon

I would like to join.

*walks into room* My religous brethren, i call upon to recognize and
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