Magna Carta of the Inlightened Imperialist Party
Our Mascot PIP
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-2/948156/Pip.jpg
Please only post if you are a member or wish to become a member. The pun in the title in intentional. Time to learn about the goals and purpose of the Inlightened Imperialist Party. The Inlightened Imperialist Party is not a political party in the fashion of US/British parties who have a stand on everything. We are more of a group of citizens who seek to reach our goals. You do not have to agree with us to join. We welcome debate so if you disagree join and try to change our minds, we are open minded here. No one who joins will be tolded who or what to vote for. You do NOT have to agree to the following goals to join. No one can be forced out of the Party, unless they are banned from the Demogame.
I. Our goals are as follows:

To monopolize as many resources as possible.
To have all the Holy Cities whether by research or force of arms.
To bring every Civilization possible under the sway of our religion.
To own all strategically important cities.
To police the world.
To only go to war when absolutely necessary.
Be elected Secretary General of the UN.
To win by any means necessary that does not sacrifice honor.
To be proactive to hunt down barbarians and take their cities.

The explainations and reasons for these are: (the numbers correspond to the goals)

The more resources we have monopoly over the more power we have over trades.
The more Holy Cities the more gold and LOS.
Helps relations and more money if we hold the Holy City of the Religion.
Cities that are on a one tile isthmus between two bodies of water, cities on important islands, Holy Cities, and cities with wonders in them belong to us; we just need to help the AI realize this.
We need to do our best to keep peace in the world between the different AIs. This is important because any small brushfire war can escalate through alliances in to a major World War; this is how World War One happened. The exception is when we find it necessary for a region to become destabilized we should start wars between the AIs.
War costs money and drain the economy. It should not be entered into lightly.
We need to be the Secretary General so we can keep votes from happening if we need to.
Is self explanatory.
The barbarians will come for us, but to keep the damage to our develped infrastructure at a minimum we must take the fight to them. Also we will not take barbarian cities until they are at least size 2 so we can keep them.


II. To request membership (all requests are accepted) PM or post here. If you have questions, just PM me.
A. You will need to put the following in your signature:
PAX _________ _______ of the Inlightened Imperialist Party
1. PAX______ Acceptable versions for the blank are: AMERICANA, BRITIANA, ROMA, MONGOLIA, HELLENES, DEUTSCHLAND (what ever the Greek one would be; any Greeks out there please help), or the Name of our Nation when we decide on it. If you want one that isn't one of these seven you'll need my permission, it just has to be a Civilization that has controlled much if not most of the world as an Imperial power. I reserve the right to choose what can be used here.
2. In the second blank space goes your position either Member or Elder.
3. As a member you shall receive all rights and privileges accorded to members.
4. No one may be forced to leave the party except on conditions decided on at the first Party meeting.

III. Organization of the Party
The Party will be run by me, the Grand Old Man, and six elders.
A. The Basileus (me) is not elected but the man who formed the Party
B. The Elders are elected for the length of three game terms
1. The terms are staggered so two will be elected at each term election
2. Until there are at least 20 members of the Inlightened Imperialist Party there will only be four Elders and they shall be the first through fourth members to request membership unless they don't then it goes to the next person etc.
3. The election of the Elders shall be a poll where the person(s) with the greatest number of votes shall be elected. The polls will be open so no nonparty members can stuff the ballot box.
4. The Duties and Powers of the Elders shall be decided at the first party meeting.

IV. Changing the Magna Carta of the Inlightened Imperialist Party
A. A poll must be conducted on the topic in question, a simple majority is all that is needed for it to pass.
B. The Basileus and at least three Elders or all six Elders, if the Basileus is against, it must agree in a Council Meeting, if so another poll in convened.
C. The second poll on the topic in question, a simple majority is all that is needed for it to pass.
D. The Magna Carta of the Inlightened Imperialist Party is changed per the voted apon rule.

V. All polls of the Inlightened Imperialist Party are open to prevent nonmembers from voting.

Members of the Inlightened Imperialist Party

Council

Basileus: Alphawolf
Prime Elder: Slim_Chance
1 Elder: Slim_Chance
1 Elder: admiral-bell Temporary Holder:
2 Elder: Mike Lemmer
2 Elder: Tboy
3 Elder: Knightlancer
3 Elder: uubry
The numbers denote the Class the Elder belongs to. Class denotes at which term the Elders are elected.
Class 1 Terms: 3, 6, 9....
Class 2 Terms: 2, 5, 8....
Class 3 Terms: 1, 4, 7....

Members

Alphawolf
Knightlancer
Pegasus_wings
admiral-bell
Slim_Chance
fausania
Gorillagorilla
Sticky Fingers
uubry
Gloriana
Cell Dude
XionNova
smeiter.de
Devros
Marcmann2
Mike Lemmer
vikingruler
Tboy
Piparoo
Stilgar08
Man'O'Action
CivGeneral
Blkbird
Aythanaeus
5star_US
roadwarrior
TylerDurdon
GeorgeOP
RoboPig

Hi, Nice party

nvm, delete please

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sign me up

Sign me up at the Inlightened Imperialist Party, pls.
fausania.

As a member, I feel that this post is necessay to keep this thread near the top. :mischief: Sorry for ignoring you wishes Awolf.
-KL

I would like to join.

Welcome (in no particular order) Gorillagorilla, fausania, admiral-bell, Knightlancer, Pegasus_wings, and Slim_Chance. Sorry for being late at this. When I said that this was non discussion thread I meant for nonmember unless they were posting a message to join, so members and Elders feel free to discuss our policies and ideas here.
-the Wolf

Alpha, I would join but I need a little more convencing on the effectiveness of your stratagy in the game.

-UUbry

:worship: :worship: :worship: Sorry Alpha It's been removed.:worship: :worship: :worship:

-KL

I'll join.

Welcome Sticky Fingers, make yourself at home.
-the Wolf

I guess that I will join having now used your strategy.

Welcome to the Party, uubry.
-the Wolf

Count me in!

Welcome to the Party Cell Dude and Gloriana. :woohoo:

I'll join, too.

Sorry, my joining was somewhat ... covert

Alpha, mind if I use PAX MONGOLIA in my sig?

Thanks for the welcome Alphawolf, and hi to everyone! Hope to have a good time with you lot! :-)

Welcome to the Party XionNova. No uubry I don't mind, PAX MONGOLIA is fine I'll add it to the first post.
-the Wolf

I would like to join

I'd like to join

Welcome to the Party, smeiter.de and Devros. I have sent both of you a PM, please check your private messages.
-the Wolf

Welcome all new members. Only 6 more people and we can have a convention on finishing the Party's rules. Go out there and recurit y'all.

Good Luck
An Old Man

I'll join up

It's great you're here Marcmann2. Welcome to the [party]

I'll join as a PAX HELLENES. I just have one question: if we capture all of the holy cities, which religion are we going to spread? One of them or all of them?

Depends on what Civic type we are I guess. If we're Free Religion we want to spread ALL religions throughout our empire for the sake of culture, and to other empires in case one of their cities decides to join our cause...
We should at least strive to spread a (doesn't matter which) religion of which we have the Holy City, as that gives us LOS in their cities and gold (with the Holy Temple thing).

I have played this stratagy and I was spreading three Religions (J, H, & C) and had the Great Prophet temples for all three in the same city. Yes I was making uber amounts of gold!

Don't forget the Culture bonus. Those +100%s add up fast. I'm at a turning point in my Culture game where I'm trying to get every religion possible so I can build every religion's temple for stacking +50% bonuses. Aggressively spreading your religion in the early game also does wonders for diplomacy, at least against computer opponents.

I would like to become a member of the Inlightened Imperialist Party.

Welcome to the Party [party] Mike Lemmer and vikingruler. As to your religion question Mike it's what ever we as a party choose to do, I personally think our state religion should take precedence of the others at first.

-the Wolf

No, we like being conformists. I also like the idea of "peace unless we can get more gold".

No, we like being conformists. I also like the idea of "peace unless we can get more gold".

I didn't change anything just reworded it to be less obtuse. Your second thought is a great way to get our money back form all the lower Civs of the world.

-the Wolf

Hi all. I have included a ninth goal:
9. To be proactive to hunt down barbarians and take their cities.
We need to get the barbarians before they get to us, and if we give them some time with there cities, we can gain improved cities not to mention the experience form them. But because of the limits to experience you can gain from barbarians will have to rotate our troops every now and then. Any comments?

-the Wolf

Signing up. I've left the communist party and wish to join this one.

Agreed to the ninth point Alphawolf, though we should be careful not to let barbarians grow too powerful in our eagerness to gain XP...

@Tboy: I don't mean to be pedantic, but Britannia only has 1 T in it... ;)

Woops... sorry Gloriana, I'll change it.

Just a few questions, sirs. I think our initial goals are so broad and generic they bring up multiple contradictions. Can we narrow them down a bit?


4. To own all strategically important cities.
5. To police the world.
6. To only go to war when absolutely necessary.


Aren't these two goals contradicting? Wonders & holy cities are usually the strongest, deepest cities in foreign territory. The only way we will gain control of them is through force. And honestly, after we conquer the main cities of every civilization in the world, what's left to police?


8. To win by any means necessary that does not sacrifice honor.


What's honor? The only thing I can think of is not using nukes.

Mmmm well we could make this all a bit more sensible by stating that we do not always 'actively pursue' a goal, so owning strategically important cities does not mean we go to war just because we don't own another nation's strategic cities. By the way, we can also try to acquire those important cities by ways of culture, although that'll be hard because the strategic cities will frequently have a strong culture of their own... We could also try acquiring cities in trade negotiations, which would admittedly be even harder than trying to get them to culture flip to our cause.
I do agree about the honour, that's a bit vague! Not using nukes, ok. Maybe it also means that we don't declare war over 'nothing' simply because we want more territory or so?

Awesome strategy! Count me in.

Welcome to the Party Tboy and Piparoo. Have fun and please get into any debates we have here.

-the Wolf

Agreed to the ninth point Alphawolf, though we should be careful not to let barbarians grow too powerful in our eagerness to gain XP...

Since you can only gain so much XP from the barbarians they will out live their usefulness and after that...


Just a few questions, sirs. I think our initial goals are so broad and generic they bring up multiple contradictions. Can we narrow them down a bit?
Aren't these two goals contradicting? Wonders & holy cities are usually the strongest, deepest cities in foreign territory. The only way we will gain control of them is through force. And honestly, after we conquer the main cities of every civilization in the world, what's left to police?

We can do all this in the First Party Convention. We have that as soon as we have 20 members, we have 19 right now.

What's honor? The only thing I can think of is not using nukes.

Yes don't use nukes or cheat the AI in ways that leave large stains on our reputation. I haven't been able to play Civ4 much since my laptop can't play it and I'm at college and my game computer is at home so I don't know if this still applies. I meant don't stab the AI in the back, no turning on an Ally just for a short term gain, etc.

-the Wolf

Yes don't use nukes

Not even on Gandhi? :cry:

-KL

Well, after checking your goals I would like to be in, as well! Count me in and count on me as being slightly off-course during discussions maybe creating new ideas and input! :)

And hereby I'm proud to say that we can have a party-convention! (right?!?) :D

Is it ok going with PAX GERMANICA then?? ;)

Pax Germanica would be nice. I vote for it.
btw, great to have another citizin from Germany here ;)
Welcome

Welcome Stilgar08. PAX GERMANICA is okay, but only in the German language form. You might notice HELLENES for Greece, Mongolia is an exception since I doubt any will be able to come up with it in Mongolian.

-the Wolf

:D :beer: :dance: :woohoo: [party] We now have 20 Members.

:hammer: I now call the first IIP Convention to order.

We have a few things to discuss and I would like feed back from all members.

1. On elections of Elders, since all Party polls are open so that non-party members can't vote do we want to have a poll for elections or do you all just want to PM me so the votes remain secret. I personally don't care one way or the other.

2. The Floor is open to nominations for the remaining Elder spots.

3. Please bring up any thing you want to be looked at or changed during this convention.

Consider the convention closed when I wake up Friday afternoon (no classes on Friday so I catch up on sleep).

-the Wolf

1. On elections of Elders, since all Party polls are open so that non-party members can't vote do we want to have a poll for elections or do you all just want to PM me so the votes remain secret. I personally don't care one way or the other.

-the Wolf

I think a poll is the way to go. I like the immediacy of voting and then knowing how the race is going.

Also, I was wondering if my dog Pip could be the official party mascot:D Cheers!

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-2/948156/Pip.jpg

I'm in favour of a poll too, for the same reasons as Piparoo. Plus you can easily scout out non-party voters. I don't really mind my vote being secret or no, I want to argument in favour of my choice probably anyway ;)

Having said that, I'd love to be involved in this my first DG, so could I nominate myself as an Elder?

Then let's bring up the following: what exactly are the duties of an Elder? Promote Party policy? Keep members active? Start discussions? Next to of course conversing with the Basileus about policy, rules and the like.

I would like to bring up as well, that since none of the Citizen Groups around are a voting block, we should promote to be the same in order to give our members the freedom to belong to another party as well, that might have very different views from the IIP.

Edit: I'm all in favour of your dog as our mascotte Piparoo, he looks quite imperial ;-)

Public vote: Yes
Pip as mascot: Yes

I would also like to detail our goals and the actions we should take towards them. We start out with:


1. To monopolize as many resources as possible.
2. To have all the Holy Cities whether by research or force of arms.
3. To bring every Civilization possible under the sway of our religion.
4. To own all strategically important cities.
5. To police the world.
6. To only go to war when absolutely necessary.
7. Be elected Secretary General of the UN.
8. To win by any means necessary that does not sacrifice honor.
9. To be proactive to hunt down barbarians and take their cities.


1a. We expand as fast as possible to gather as many resources as possible.
1b. If we are at war, we destroy their military resources (horses, copper, oil) first.
2a. We research religions first.
2b. We want a leader that starts with Mysticism.
2c. If we are at war, we capture their holy cities first.
3a. We do not convert to any other civilization's religion.
3b. We convert other civilizations to our religion through missionaries.
4a. We expand to control chokepoints whenever there's no resource-rich alternatives.
4b. If we are at war, we capture chokepoints second (after holy cities).
5a. If a war between rival civilizations does not benefit us, we stop it.
5b. We ensure no civilization lags too far behind the others in tech or military force. Weak prey invites jackals.
6a. We do not initiate wars with other civilizations unless they actively stop our expansion or our missionaries.
6b. We do not stop wars until the rival civilization will give us something to stop it.
7a. We will research and build the U.N.
7b. We will have enough allies to be elected Secretary General of the U.N.
8a. We will not ask a civilization to go to war with our enemy unless we already are. We will not have other civilizations do our dirty work.
8b. We will not use nukes.
8c. We will not send spies into rival civilizations' territory unless we are at war with them.
9a. If we are not at war, our forces will scour the countryside for barbarians, kill them and conquer their towns.

I agree with many of your points. Here are some of my thoughts.



5b. We ensure no civilization lags too far behind the others in tech or military force. Weak prey invites jackals.

I'm not sure about this. I think we should be as opportunistic as possible. If we have mechanized infantry and another civ only has longbowmen I'm not sure I'd want them to have mech infantry as well

6b. We do not stop wars until the rival civilization will give us something to stop it.

This could be problematic if we are getting pwned in a war. I say we do what is necessary to end wars.

8a. We will not ask a civilization to go to war with our enemy unless we already are. We will not have other civilizations do our dirty work.
8b. We will not use nukes.
8c. We will not send spies into rival civilizations' territory unless we are at war with them.

Again I think we need to be a bit more opportunistic here. If a civ can take out one of our enemies for us, what's wrong with that? I don't care either way about nukes. Now spying I think is essential to a successful endgame. Let's not eliminate the possibility of using them in peace time.

Am I being to hostile?

Cheers!

oops double post :eek:

just keep in mind that narrowing down our goals also narrows our range of different tactics.

I totally disagree on the idee of sharing knowledge to such an extend that everybody has the same power. That also stands in contradiction to our imperialistic goals
We should stop wars when the necessity is givin, which means when we have aquired our goals or war are not affordable anymore in terms of economy or diplomatic backset

Also. We are not necessarily a religious party. Therefore we should not just lean our strategies towards the goal of aquirering ALL holy cities. Maybe in the Long run but keep in mind that we need Allies, Allies that a strong and helpful. What happends if they have accidently decided to choose a different religion due to the fact that they dumb ;)

Keeping military/tech almost even is important. One of my computer rivals started lagging behind badly in a game I played. Next thing I knew, three other rivals declared war on him spontaneously. It was like watching hyenas take down a wounded elephant. I've been on the receiving end of that as well when I don't build up my army enough. The AI can smell when someone's military might is too low to defend themselves.

I too wish to join this fine party.

Good afternoon everyone (it is afternoon where I'm posting this from ;) ). Our Basileus Alpha has told me that do to classes beginning to pick up for finials (he said his last day was Dec. 6 for this semester) and how he has to do a lot of studying, the only time he'll have for the demogame will be the constitutional convention that he was elected to.

So he asked me as senior Elder to chair the Party Convention.

First I'm extended the Convention through Wednesday of next week

I was the one who gave Alpha the idea for PMing him the elections since the polls will have to be open to keep non-member from voting and in my long experience it's never a good idea to let people see who vote for whom in these type of election, I old enough to remember the fiasco sham elections we had in the South.

Yes, Gloriana you can nominate yourself. Elders can only nominate ourselves so if we aren't up for election we must remain silent on the issue and the Basileus will not do anything in the elections but put of the polls and congratulate the winner. This is really the first thing the elders have to do, but it will start picking up from now on.

:goodjob: on the mascot. He's (it is a he right?) a dog and our Basileus is a wolf so I do believe it fits. :) It has been seconded and will be up for a vote at the end of the convention.

Happy posting and remember that two elder spots are open and we only have one nominee.

The Old One

Great to have you with us Man'O'Action we are in the middle of a party discussion post anything you to about modifying our goals.

Old One

I think the current goals are stellar, and that is why I was pleased to join this party.

My only comment is that our platform should contain a strong pro-growth, pro-food statement to encourage our population to rise quickly and take full advantage of the property that we control as soon as possible.

Goal:
10. To make our nation the dominate body of population through promotion of explosive population growth.

Explanation:
10. For our stated goals of controlling the U.N. as well as quickly taking full advantage of the territories we already possess.


Thoughts anyone?

Excellent points Man 'O' Action and welcome to the party!

Cheers!

PS
Pip is a boy! and he likes to hang around and watch while we're playing Civ :crazyeye:

I don't know why it wouldn't let me post earlier, trying again.

Mike I think you got some good ideas here, this is what the Convention is supposed to be for. My comments in blue

1a. We expand as fast as possible to gather as many resources as possible. :king:
1b. If we are at war, we destroy their military resources (horses, copper, oil) first. good as a rule but somtimes we might not be in a position to do that.
2a. We research religions first. that depends on where we start
2b. We want a leader that starts with Mysticism. I think random is the current consensus
2c. If we are at war, we capture their holy cities first. Good idea, but only if feasible and we don't start Wars with our allies just for Holy Cities
3a. We do not convert to any other civilization's religion. :king:
3b. We convert other civilizations to our religion through missionaries .:king:
4a. We expand to control chokepoints whenever there's no resource-rich alternatives. :goodjob: :king:
4b. If we are at war, we capture chokepoints second (after holy cities).I think that should depend on their locations
5a. If a war between rival civilizations does not benefit us, we stop it. agree
5b. We ensure no civilization lags too far behind the others in tech or military force. Weak prey invites jackals. I could argue either side
6a. We do not initiate wars with other civilizations unless they actively stop our expansion or our missionaries. we are imperial so there could be other reasons ;)
6b. We do not stop wars until the rival civilization will give us something to stop it. that should be on a war by war basis
7a. We will research and build the U.N. :king:
7b. We will have enough allies to be elected Secretary General of the U.N. :king:
8a. We will not ask a civilization to go to war with our enemy unless we already are. We will not have other civilizations do our dirty work.Piparoo is right I think we should be opportunistic
8b. We will not use nukes. :king:
8c. We will not send spies into rival civilizations' territory unless we are at war with them.we should use them to gain knowledge but not to steal or break things.
9a. If we are not at war, our forces will scour the countryside for barbarians, kill them and conquer their towns. :goodjob:

These opinions are my own as a member not official policy as an Elder

the Old One

Goal:
10. To make our nation the dominate body of population through promotion of explosive population growth.

Explanation:
10. For our stated goals of controlling the U.N. as well as quickly taking full advantage of the territories we already possess.

:goodjob: This is definitely going on the ballot.

just keep in mind that narrowing down our goals also narrows our range of different tactics.

We do need to watch out for that.

I totally disagree on the idee of sharing knowledge to such an extend that everybody has the same power.

We don't want them to be equal with all other civs or us, but we do not want them so weak that other nations start attacking them, unless that is to our advantage. ;)

That also stands in contradiction to our imperialistic goals
We should stop wars when the necessity is givin, which means when we have aquired our goals or war are not affordable anymore in terms of economy or diplomatic backset
:king:

Also. We are not necessarily a religious party. Therefore we should not just lean our strategies towards the goal of aquirering ALL holy cities. Maybe in the Long run but keep in mind that we need Allies, Allies that a strong and helpful. What happends if they have accidently decided to choose a different religion due to the fact that they dumb ;)

It depends entirely who has the Holy Cities and where they are.

an Old Man

I would like to nominate Mike Lemmer for Elder.

Welcome to the Party Man'O'Action. Slim will be handling all of the Convention items. I will rarely check on the thread for the next couple of days so if anyone needs me to look at something or update a post to include a new member, just PM me. Happy posting. :)

-the Wolf

I agree that the sub-points are beneficial for the sake of clarity similar to the code of laws clarifying the main points of the constitution.

What do people think of the sub-points being amendable at a later date in case they prove to be restrictive?


Slim's comments in blue
Man'O'Action's comments in red


1a. We expand as fast as possible to gather as many resources as possible. :king:; Amen
1b. If we are at war, we destroy their military resources (horses, copper, oil) first. good as a rule but somtimes we might not be in a position to do that.; I agree with Slim
2a. We research religions first. that depends on where we start; I agree with Slim
2b. We want a leader that starts with Mysticism. I think random is the current consensus; Random I say.
2c. If we are at war, we capture their holy cities first. Good idea, but only if feasible and we don't start Wars with our allies just for Holy CitiesI agree with Slim
3a. We do not convert to any other civilization's religion.:king: ; Amen
3b. We convert other civilizations to our religion through missionaries .:king:; Amen
4a. We expand to control chokepoints whenever there's no resource-rich alternatives. :goodjob: :king:; Amen
4b. If we are at war, we capture chokepoints second (after holy cities).I think that should depend on their locations; I believe this is an opportunity based decision.
5a. If a war between rival civilizations does not benefit us, we stop it. agree; Amen
5b. We ensure no civilization lags too far behind the others in tech or military force. Weak prey invites jackals. I could argue either side; I fail to see that value of this. If a nation is incapable of keeping up with the world and is mismanaging it's land. We have not only the right, but the responsibility to assume control of it's assests as quickly as can be reasonably accomplished.
6a. We do not initiate wars with other civilizations unless they actively stop our expansion or our missionaries. we are imperial so there could be other reasons ;) ; I agree with Slim. Wars are much too individual to lay down constricting bylaws.
6b. We do not stop wars until the rival civilization will give us something to stop it. that should be on a war by war basis; Once again, I'm with Slim here.
7a. We will research and build the U.N. :king:; Amen
7b. We will have enough allies to be elected Secretary General of the U.N. :king: ; Amen
8a. We will not ask a civilization to go to war with our enemy unless we already are. We will not have other civilizations do our dirty work.Piparoo is right I think we should be opportunistic; Agreeing with Slip and Pip
8b. We will not use nukes. I do not think we should rule out these sorts of options. Nukes can be used responsibly and I think they should be a valid part of our strategy. Not used on a regular basis naturally, but not ruled out in the party platform.:nuke:
8c. We will not send spies into rival civilizations' territory unless we are at war with them.we should use them to gain knowledge but not to steal or break things.; I think that all aspects of spies have their uses, and like nukes should not be ruled out.
9a. If we are not at war, our forces will scour the countryside for barbarians, kill them and conquer their towns. :goodjob: ; Amen to that for certain. Heh, sorta like the global war on terror, only without the stinging public backlash.

What do people think of the sub-points being amendable at a later date in case they prove to be restrictive?

I think it goes without saying, modifying goals is in the first post, and I'll change it to include sub-points, thanks for bringing it to my attention. :goodjob:

-the Wolf

Nominating self as elder. I would like to help this party to go forward.

A few of my main points I will push for:

Spies should be an option to use always when we are at war, and only in peace if they are an enemy (gone to war in past, bad relations, e.t.c.).

Only use nukes in war if the enemy is particularly troublesome and is difficult, if not virtually impossible, to beat without them.

Try to found at least one religion minimum and spread it to at least one city per faction, in order to plant a seed for the religion so it can grow.

Do not betray our allies on grounds of just wanting short term gain, have a reason, for example they are not of our state religion.

Place cities for important resources first, productivity second, as our survival and growth will depend on grabbing valuable resources first.

There they are. If you have any questions for me, please post. Goodbye for now, and PAX BRITANNIA!

I think Mike put in some pretty good, and some pretty obvious points. I mean, if we want to be elected Secretary-General of the UN it is in your best of interests to actually build it of course ;)

Other than that I think we should keep our goals pretty broad, so we can indeed adopt different strategies, tuned to whatever situation we find ourselves in. I like being pragmatic, and being flexible is what allows for the best opportunity to be just that.

Especially in war we should be careful. If we say we will not end war under any circumstance unless offered something, that could be our doom if we feel we might not be able to beat our opponent(s). Rather than that, I'm in favour of judging each situation separately. If we are at war for example, and both parties have quite a number of troops that could do considerable damage, perhaps it is wiser to accept peace on an equal basis (peace for peace, nothing else on the table) so as to prevent the damage that could be done.

I do believe in honour though and I do believe we should not use nukes. In absence of embassies I think we are allowed to send spies into enemy territory to gather information but not to sabotage. We could call it an official 'state visit' ;)

In short, my idea for our party is: pragmatism in acquiring our goals.

Perhaps some guidelines for war would be an acceptable compromise.

Perhaps some guidelines for war would be an acceptable compromise.

:goodjob: Great idea Mike.

pragmatism in acquiring our goals.
How true.

I don't Nukes will be that big of a deal, we have to get through the rest of the game to get them.;) We have lot's of time to discuss :nuke:.

-the Wolf

Sorry for being so late getting back about I had to attend a college football game (American) on Saturday and being as old as I am ;) I don't travel well and had to go to Knoxville on Friday. The game was great; Vanderbilt (Nashville) beat UT (Knoxville) for the first time in 22 years. Alpha your location says Nashville so were you as happy as I was that the Doors won.

Old Man

Perhaps some guidelines for war would be an acceptable compromise.

I think that that is the best I idea.

All Members need to see this:

I have decided to not close the discussion on Party rules until after we get our two new Elder.
The floor will be closed for nominations at 12:00PM (Noon) CST, that’s 6:00 PM GMT or 18:00 depending on your reckoning.

I will have a post of what so far has been brought up for the ballot by Monday.

An Old Man

Slim it's great that we're finally getting this show on the road.

I am definitely for Piparoo's Pip to be the mascot, as Slim said the Basileus is a wolf (or thinks he is anyway :mischief: ) so the dog's great and Pip the dog is just so d*mn great for a mascot.

-KL

Alpha your location says Nashville so were you as happy as I was that the Doors won.

No, I attend UTK so I had mixed feelings on it especially that botched ref call in the 1st quarter.

-the Wolf

Thanks for the welcome and sorry for not being around a lot lately... Have been too busy. Therefore I'm not running for a position as elder (this time ;) ).
I agree on nukes-plenty of time to discuss it... (Personally I'm against it! ;) )


Concerning the other stuff:

1a. We expand as fast as possible to gather as many resources as possible. ; Amen
1b. If we are at war, we destroy their military resources (horses, copper, oil) first. good as a rule but somtimes we might not be in a position to do that.; I agree with Slim Agreed. We shouldn't be too strict about this issue. It would limit our flexibility, e.g. sometimes it might be better to hunt down wounded foe-units instead of using turns to get to that iron first...


2a. We research religions first. that depends on where we start; I agree with Slim agreed
2b. We want a leader that starts with Mysticism. I think random is the current consensus. I disagree. Let's play with what comes up.. Random would be ok but I like expansionistic and philosophical civs best. I take what comes!

2c. If we are at war, we capture their holy cities first. Good idea, but only if feasible and we don't start Wars with our allies just for Holy CitiesI agree with Slim Wouldn't it be better to smash the enemy wherever we can??

3a. We do not convert to any other civilization's religion. ; Amen This is also true if we don't have our own religion yet, but one or 2 of our cities convert to the religion of one of our neighbours? In that case we should agree to make this the state-religion until we have our own religion (=our own holy city - by tech or force ;) )

3b. We convert other civilizations to our religion through missionaries .; Amen
4a. We expand to control chokepoints whenever there's no resource-rich alternatives. ; Amen
4b. If we are at war, we capture chokepoints second (after holy cities).I think that should depend on their locations; I believe this is an opportunity based decision. AMen, but chokepoints first, I'd say...

5a. If a war between rival civilizations does not benefit us, we stop it. agree; Amen Should we really? We should make that decision depending on how our relations towards the civs who are at war are, don't you think?? If no friends are involved let them bleed I say! :evil: How about: If we are in a position to do so and if the civ in question is not a declared,"direct" enemy we support the loosing side in a war in order to keep it around longer or to weaken the stronger civs engaged in this war. (was that understandable? Sorry for any confusion caused here :crazyeye: )


5b. We ensure no civilization lags too far behind the others in tech or military force. Weak prey invites jackals. I could argue either side; I fail to see that value of this. If a nation is incapable of keeping up with the world and is mismanaging it's land. We have not only the right, but the responsibility to assume control of it's assests as quickly as can be reasonably accomplished.
6a. We do not initiate wars with other civilizations unless they actively stop our expansion or our missionaries. we are imperial so there could be other reasons ; I agree with Slim. Wars are much too individual to lay down constricting bylaws.
6b. We do not stop wars until the rival civilization will give us something to stop it. that should be on a war by war basis; Once again, I'm with Slim here. agreed on all the comments! :goodjob:

7a. We will research and build the U.N. ; Amen Yep!

7b. We will have enough allies to be elected Secretary General of the U.N. ; Amen
8a. We will not ask a civilization to go to war with our enemy unless we already are. We will not have other civilizations do our dirty work.Piparoo is right I think we should be opportunistic; Agreeing with Slip and Pip
8b. We will not use nukes. I do not think we should rule out these sorts of options. Nukes can be used responsibly and I think they should be a valid part of our strategy. Not used on a regular basis naturally, but not ruled out in the party platform. agreed on the comments!

8c. We will not send spies into rival civilizations' territory unless we are at war with them.we should use them to gain knowledge but not to steal or break things.; I think that all aspects of spies have their uses, and like nukes should not be ruled out.
9a. If we are not at war, our forces will scour the countryside for barbarians, kill them and conquer their towns. ; Amen to that for certain. Heh, sorta like the global war on terror, only without the stinging public backlash.

Agreed! :goodjob:

Oh, btw, there should be a poll! Has this been decided yet?

Cheers, Stilgar

Aye, there should be a poll

There will be polls; the first will be for Elders I'll put if up Wednesday, after the nominations are closed. It will run for 7 days. Slim who is in charge of the discussion will send me the list of what has been brought up and needs a poll Sunday night and I'll have those up on next Monday, they will also be up for a week. SLIM is in charge of the discussion so direct all questions to him.

-the Wolf

Slim,

Will there be a chance to see who has been nominated for Elder and a chance to hear from them on their positions before the voting poll opens?

Will there be a chance to see who has been nominated for Elder and a chance to hear from them on their positions before the voting poll opens?

Good idea, the current nominees are:
Gloriana
Mike Lemmer
Tboy

The nominations have not yet closed. If any one else wants to be a candidate just post.
Also the ballot to elect Pip as mascot will also go up on Wednesday.

This post is reserved for the candidate's positions. All candidates need to PM me their positions so I can post them here. Thank you.

Mike Lemmer's Platform


Victory through diplomacy!
Conquest through culture!

My countrymen, as tempting as it is, we must hold ourselves above the common barbarian, who takes everything he wants by force. We will persuade our adversaries to accept our ways through intense cultural pressure! As our superior borders press upon the heathens' cities, they will see the light and convert to our cause. Then we can nurture them, let them flourish and grow the largest, most advanced civilization on the planet.

-Our investment into Culture and Health will help us build the largest cities on the planet, garnering more votes for us in the U.N.
-Absorbing cities into our borders will save our forces for defense and future wars.
-A strong economy is more flexible than excessive production. We will be able to switch gears from culture to upgrade money to research in an instant.


Gloriana's Goals

Most esteemed and honourable fellow IIP members,

As per the broadly determined ideals of our party, I believe in peace and prosperity, in culture and development.

It is my opinion that we should utilise our superior culture as a primary weapon against our enemies. If we combine that with a relatively strong defensive taskforce, there should be no need to go to war. In order to nurture and boost a great culture I am in favour of building a great number of wonders, to push our cultural borders to the limit and as an added bonus profit from the wonders' benefits.

No great culture can be developped if we lack technology. Technology is also what can lead us to both the diplomatic and space victory. This is why technology is my first and foremost concern, even more so than culture. Keeping ahead of our enemies will ensure peace through superior forces, as well as a cultural advantage by being able to build cultural improvements and wonders earlier.

In dealing with other nations I prefer we maintain peaceful trade relationships. Giving in to demands or requests is only an option if the concerning nation is superior to our own and ensures our survival.

If any questions arise on my goals feel free to ask. Furthermore I welcome debate.

Long live our glorious nation!

Gloriana

Tboy's Points

A few of my main points I will push for:

Spies should be an option to use always when we are at war, and only in peace if they are an enemy (gone to war in past, bad relations, e.t.c.).

Only use nukes in war if the enemy is particularly troublesome and is difficult, if not virtually impossible, to beat without them.

Try to found at least one religion minimum and spread it to at least one city per faction, in order to plant a seed for the religion so it can grow.

Do not betray our allies on grounds of just wanting short term gain, have a reason, for example they are not of our state religion.

Place cities for important resources first, productivity second, as our survival and growth will depend on grabbing valuable resources first.

There they are. If you have any questions for me, please post. Goodbye for now, and PAX BRITANNIA!

Those of us who are already elders don't need to do anything about this nomination stuff, yes? (Just checking)

Those of us who are already elders don't need to do anything about this nomination stuff, yes? (Just checking)

That is correct, the elections right now are only for the two empty Elder spots, us four who are already Elders do not need to do anything until the election cycle before our term expires.

Slim

I have two polls up, there are both open until Tuesday, and both are open polls. They are to elect the two Elders and whether Pip should be the Official Party Mascot. Note on Elder elections, Piparoo was nominated via PM. Consider nominations closed.

-the Wolf

Are there still any slots open to join?

Also, a question in regards to signatures. Do I realy need to have that in since I am already close to the line limit on my signature (5 lines is the max limit with default font size)

Are there still any slots open to join?
Also, a question in regards to signatures. Do I realy need to have that in since I am already close to the line limit on my signature (5 lines is the max limit with default font size)

To answer your first question, the party is never full. I'll PM you about the sig.

-the Wolf

I'm joining. When is the first party meeting scheduled now?

Btw, the word "Pax" is supposed to followed by the Latain name of the nation (see the Merriam-Webster Dictionary (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=pax)). So it's Pax Germania ("Germanica" I've never heard of), not Pax Deutschland. Also, has Germany really been an imperalistic world power?

I'm joining. When is the first party meeting scheduled?
Great, welcome to the Party! [party] Slim is conducting the meeting so I'll ask him, but the discussion on the Party's goals has begun. I would expect it to begin after the elections for Party Elders which in happening right now in polls.

Btw, the Latain name of Germany is Germania, so it's Pax Germania, not Pax Deutschland. Also, has Germany really been an imperalistic world power?

Your right on the Latin word but were trying to use a word in the native tongue of a language. Also as the Basileus of the Party I have an artistic license and I didn't want to you a word that basically means "All the other peoples". I'll PM you an answer to your other question.

-the Wolf

Your right on the Latin word but were trying to use a word in the native tongue of a language.

But Britiana and Americana aren't English names, are they?

Also as the Basileus of the Party I have an artistic license and I didn't want to you a word the basically means "All the other peoples".

I don't understand this sentence - too many typos I guess.

But Britiana and Americana aren't English names, are they?
They are part of the English/American language, which is good enough for me.


Also as the Basileus of the Party I have an artistic license and I didn't want to you a word the basically means "All the other peoples".

I don't understand this sentence - too many typos I guess.

You're right it had one, it should read:
Also as the Basileus of the Party I have an artistic license and I didn't want to use a word the basically means "All the other peoples".
For some reason I wrote "you" when I mean "use".

-the Wolf

You're right it had one, it should read:
Also as the Basileus of the Party I have an artistic license and I didn't want to use a word the basically means "All the other peoples".
For some reason I wrote "you" when I mean "use".

By "a word the basically means" didn't you mean "a word *that* basically means"?

And what is this word? "Germania"? Since "Germania" does not mean "all the other people". If you can read German, take a look at the Wikipedia:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanen#Begriffsbildung

As of today, the source of the name "Germania" is yet undetermined.

By "a word the basically means" didn't you mean "a word *that* basically means"?

I feel stupid since I didn't see it, but yes that is what I meant.

"And what is this word? "Germania"? Since "Germania" does not mean "all the other people". If you can read German, take a look at the Wikipedia:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanen#Begriffsbildung

As of today, the source of the name "Germania" is yet undetermined.

I was going one what my high school German teacher said, I'll ask him to make sure it's not just my memory faltering. Thanks for the link.

-the Wolf

Ok, I wish to join this party :)

Welcome to the Party, CivGeneral. Did you change your avatar? I remember it being different.

-the Wolf

Remember everyone, to vote for Elders HERE (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=143089) and Mascot HERE (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=143092)


-the Wolf

The Platforms have been updated to include Gloriana's Goals. And please remember to vote people, see link in Alpha's post above this one.

Slim

I've weighed in. Good luck to the candidates! I realize that I probably should've voted for myself but as this is my first demo game I think it's best to sit out any positions of responsibility while I learn from the others. :crazyeye:

Cheers!

That's pretty creative campaigning Piparoo. :)

The Platforms have been updated to include Gloriana's Goals. And please remember to vote people, see link in Alpha's post above this one.

Why not add Tboy's goals? He's posted them the moment he entered the race:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=3335788#post3335788

I've voted for him. Mike and Goriana are too much pacifist for my taste. Piparoo seems a little bit too unexperience - no offense.

Remember everyone, to vote for Elders HERE (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=143089) and Mascot HERE (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=143092)

More than half of the current council has not yet voted, including yourself. What's the meaning of this?

Piparoo seems a little bit too unexperience - no offense.

No offense taken. I'm still trying to figure it all out :goodjob:

Cheers!

Fellow Members of the IIP,

I am proud to endorse Mike Lemmer for Elder. Mike Lemmer has a platform that we can all respect with his strong support for pro-growth policies. Mike Lemmer will fight to get the health and food that our cities need to become the dominate nation of the world.

Even more importantly, Mike Lemmer supports democratically appointed deputies, and rejects the loser-wins scheme supported by his opponents. This election is nothing less than a referendum on democracy itself, and Mike Lemmer is the only candidate with the guts to stand up for the will of the people.

I urge all my fellow party members to reject the loser-wins scheme and to support Mike Lemmer and democratically appointed deputies.


Mike Lemmer's Platform

Victory through diplomacy!
Conquest through culture!

My countrymen, as tempting as it is, we must hold ourselves above the common barbarian, who takes everything he wants by force. We will persuade our adversaries to accept our ways through intense cultural pressure! As our superior borders press upon the heathens' cities, they will see the light and convert to our cause. Then we can nurture them, let them flourish and grow the largest, most advanced civilization on the planet.

-Our investment into Culture and Health will help us build the largest cities on the planet, garnering more votes for us in the U.N.
-Absorbing cities into our borders will save our forces for defense and future wars.
-A strong economy is more flexible than excessive production. We will be able to switch gears from culture to upgrade money to research in an instant.

I urge all my fellow party members to reject the loser-wins scheme and to support Mike Lemmer and democratically appointed deputies.

LOL it's getting better every time ;)

Anyway, no matter how you put it, TWO Elders will be voted in, with at least one of them supporting the notion of the actual will of the people; no dumping of votes, but take most votes into account.

Anyway, no matter how you put it, TWO Elders will be voted in, with at least one of them supporting the notion of the actual will of the people; no dumping of votes, but take most votes into account.

Let's not dwell on the negatives.

More than half of the current council has not yet voted, including yourself. What's the meaning of this?

I was actually think of not letting the council vote in the elections, and my laptop imploded so this is the first I've been on the internet in a few days.

-the Wolf

LOL it's getting better every time ;)

Anyway, no matter how you put it, TWO Elders will be voted in, with at least one of them supporting the notion of the actual will of the people; no dumping of votes, but take most votes into account.


Let's not dwell on the negatives.

I see we have found the Burke and Pit of the Party, 50 points to who gets this first. ;)

I've extended the Elections for Elders, right now we have a three way tie.

-the Wolf

Hear ye, Hear ye!
By a vote of 14 to 1 the Honorable and Glorious Pip is our Party Mascot. We will spread his Greatness to the Heathen tribes of the World.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-2/948156/Pip.jpg

:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:


Edit:Be sure to check out the first post.

Why not add Tboy's goals? He's posted them the moment he entered the race:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=3335788#post3335788

I've voted for him. Mike and Goriana are too much pacifist for my taste. Piparoo seems a little bit too unexperience - no offense.

I didn't reread all the posts so I missed it. This should serve as a lesson to all future candidates, if you have posted your before PM me and let me know where. I'll update that now, thank you for bringing it to my attention.

Sorry, Blkbird, but I spent too much time as a teacher its inexperienced not unexperienced.

Hear ye, Hear ye!
By a vote of 14 to 1 the Honorable and Glorious Pip is our Party Mascot. We will spread his Greatness to the Heathen tribes of the World.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-2/948156/Pip.jpg

:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:


Edit:Be sure to check out the first post.

Hey, its Padma ;)

I just believe in the passive-aggressive approach. "What? We didn't take your city! They revolted of their own accord once they saw how awesome we were."

Hear ye, Hear ye!
[CENTER]By a vote of 14 to 1 the Honorable and Glorious Pip is our Party Mascot. We will spread his Greatness to the Heathen tribes of the World.




Pip asked me to pass along to everyone that he is "indeed humbled and honored by the election" and that he will "work tirelessly to be a just ambassador of the IIP".

At least I'm pretty sure that's what he said. His mouth was full of peanut butter.

Cheers!

I see we have found the Burke and Pit of the Party, 50 points to who gets this first.

Gimme gimme gimme? :D

I see we have found the Burke and Pit of the Party, 50 points to who gets this first. ;)

I've extended the Elections for Elders, right now we have a three way tie.

-the Wolf

I believe our beloved Basileus is referring to Edmund Burke and William Pitt, the Younger.

The Right Honourable Edmund Burke (January 12, 1729 – July 9, 1797) was an Anglo-Irish statesman, author, orator and political philosopher, who served for many years in the British House of Commons as a member of the Whig party. He is chiefly remembered for his support of the American colonies in the struggle against King George III that led to the American Revolution, as well as for his strong opposition to the French Revolution. The latter made Burke one of the leading figures within the conservative faction of the Whig party (which he dubbed the "Old Whigs"), in opposition to the pro-revolutionary "New Whigs," led by Charles James Fox. Burke also published philosophical work on aesthetics and founded the Annual Register, a political review. In his day he was considered one of the finest parliamentary orators in Britain.

The Right Honourable William Pitt, the Younger (28 May 1759–23 January 1806) was a British politician during the late eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries. He served as Prime Minister from 1783 to 1801, and again from 1804 until his death. He is known as William Pitt the Younger to distinguish him from his father, William Pitt the Elder, who also served as Prime Minister of Great Britain.

The younger Pitt's prime ministerial tenure, which came during the reign of George III, was dominated by major events in Europe, including the French Revolution and the Napoleonic Wars. Pitt, although often referred to as a Tory , always considered himself to be an "independent Whig," and generally opposed the development of a strict partisan political system.


While bother were Whigs, they disagreed over the question of the independence of the American colonies. In case there was any confusion, I'm Burke and Gloriana is Pitt. :D

I was actually think of not letting the council vote in the elections, and my laptop imploded so this is the first I've been on the internet in a few days.

-the Wolf

As much as I agree with our Basileus on most issues, this notion of elders not voting is clearly lacking sagacity.

Our elders are our elders because we have deemed them to be among the best and brightest members. To exclude them from decision making such as the election of elders is fundementally dangerous to the party.

Please, for the sake of the party, allow our elders to vote, sir.

Very good Gloriana and Man'O'Action. I think it is a very good analogy since you are part of the same Party and manage to keep discussions civil which is what I like to see. Also I choose two from a time that while politics are never civilized were more civil than today.



As much as I agree with our Basileus on most issues, this notion of elders not voting is clearly lacking sagacity.

Our elders are our elders because we have deemed them to be among the best and brightest members. To exclude them from decision making such as the election of elders is fundementally dangerous to the party.

Please, for the sake of the party, allow our elders to vote, sir.

As I said I thought about it and decided against it, actually Slim and Knightlancer thought it was a bad idea and I eventually agreed with them to keep them from spamming my email. ;)

Man'O'Action why did you not run?

-the Wolf

Note to all would-be elders who have contacted me:

I will not vote in this election because I've been out a little too long (7-8 days without internet) to make an educated decision and don't have time to read all of the posts comprehensively.

Note to all would-be elders who have contacted me:

I will not vote in this election because I've been out a little too long (7-8 days without internet) to make an educated decision and don't have time to read all of the posts comprehensively.


I wondered where you had gone off to Elder. I know how that goes, my Laptop went boom but I was only off three days then I got back to my university and public terminals.

As to voting the three candidates (Piparoo dropped out) some up there positions in Slim's post HERE (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=137356&page=5), it's post #84.

-the Wolf

Man'O'Action why did you not run?

-the Wolf

It's easier to cast stones from the outside. :D

To boot, I'm going to absent for a while around Christmas and my involvement will be limited. Maybe next term.

Huzzah!

I'd like to congratulate Mike Lemmer on his resounding victory in today's election for elder. I'm glad that a candidate with a vision for growth in our young nation has been put forward into leadership by such a large margin. Congratulations Mike, and good luck to everyone else in the runoff.

Huzzah!

I'd like to congratulate Mike Lemmer on his resounding victory in today's election for elder. I'm glad that a candidate with a vision for growth in our young nation has been put forward into leadership by such a large margin. Congratulations Mike, and good luck to everyone else in the runoff.

I welcome Mike as an elder. He will make a fine representative of our party. But has it escaped attention that 2 of the people who voted for Mike are not, to my knowledge, members of the party.

Cheers!

But wait, there is a draw for second place between me and Gloriana. Will there be a new poll to resolve this?

But wait, there is a draw for second place between me and Gloriana. Will there be a new poll to resolve this?

I set one up.

-the Wolf

But has it escaped attention that 2 of the people who voted for Mike are not, to my knowledge, members of the party.

Which two? All of the one that voted for Mike are on the Membership Roll; you, however, received one non-party vote.

-the Wolf

The Election Results

The final vote was:
Gloriana - 4
Mike Lemmer - 8
Tboy - 4
Piparoo withdrew from the election.

[party] :clap: Congratulations to Mike Lemmer our new Elder.
A runoff will be to determine whether Gloriana or Tboy will take the other Elder position.

Only two non-members voted; one for Tboy and one for Piparoo

-the Wolf

Which two? All of the one that voted for Mike are on the Membership Roll; you, however, received one non-party vote.

-the Wolf

Apologies,
I looked in the wrong place...:crazyeye:

Cheers!

My congratulations to the honourable Mike Lemmer on his splendid election to Elder! I sincerely believe he will represent our interests the best he can!

I'm voting for Tboy again, I'm totally in awe of the way he can be an "imperialist" and a "democratic socialist" at the same time. :) Beware there is no direct contradiction as imperalism is mostly a foreign policy issue while democratic socialism is domestic for the most part.

Thank you, thank you all. I hope my time as elder of the Inlightened Imperialist Party conveys the wisdom and charisma necessary to lead our party and nation to victory.

I will start by testing my strategy on the Early Bird practice game. Adapting my strategy to the Mongols will test my wits.

Yes, looking at the Warmup game will also help newbes see a scaled down version (Piparoo and blkbird are already involved)

Too bad it won't finish before the real game starts.

I'm voting for Tboy again, I'm totally in awe of the way he can be an "imperialist" and a "democratic socialist" at the same time. :) Beware there is no direct contradiction as imperalism is mostly a foreign policy issue while democratic socialism is domestic for the most part.

We have so much in common, TBoy and me... :D

Originally Posted by Alphawolf

Man'O'Action why did you not run?

-the Wolf


It's easier to cast stones from the outside.

We have so much in common, Man'O'Action and me... :D

Now seriously: Am I blind again or has the runoff poll between Glorianna and TBoy not yet been opened?

No stilgar, its there, under the title IIP Elder Election Runoff.

Here's a link to the runoff (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=145118)

I running the election again. The poll closes at midnight Friday.

Found it and voted! Thank you and sorry, folks!

I wish to align myself withen the lines of your party for my playing style closely resembles (if not exactly) the style describes in the Magna Carta.

Welcome to the Party, Aythanaeus. [party] Be sure to vote in the Elders election, HERE (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=145118).
The candidates' positions are on HERE (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=3351139&postcount=84)

-the Wolf

Here is a little ditty for you all, one of the (good, I hope) products of an ill-spent weekend.
(To be sung)
We are Imperialists, we are growing all the time
So impressive are we as we march past line by line
Theocracy is our method of conquest and control
Hopefully through our enlightenment
We'll reach the top of the totem pole!

I believe Tboy won. :goodjob: to all candidates.

-KL

Unofficial Election Results:
Tboy-8
Gloriana-7
Abstain-1
(Unofficial because Alphawolf must verify for them to become official)

Congratulations Tboy.

The Election Results

The final vote was:
Gloriana - 7
Tboy - 8

[party] :clap: Congratulations to Tboy our new Elder.

-the Wolf

And congratulations from me to the honourable Tboy as well! A close call, but a fair win nonetheless. I wish you all the best in your upcoming terms as Elder!

Since there's a lot going on there; I'd like to encourage every member of the IIP to participate in the debate about our future government in the stickied threads:

Alphawolf's tri (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=146657)

ravensfire "classic" (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=146769)

Ginger Ale's Flexible government (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=142948)

Bring some time-the whole stuff gets increasingly complicated! But especially because of that you should dig in! :)

You don't have to reply to the whole points in the posts; it's enough to state your opinion and suggestions where you have them ;) .
I feel that this is a major decision (Well, of course!) and so hereby I'd like my fellow IIP-members to get involved! (even if you not on my side there! :) )

Thanks,
Stilgar

Thank you to all who voted to me, and thanks to Gloriana as well, for being a goodm sport.
As elder, I shall push for our glorious nation in every field: religion, technology, land. We must never surrender an inch to those who oppose us! Onwards, my friends, and PAX BRITANNIA!

Here is a little ditty for you all, one of the (good, I hope) products of an ill-spent weekend.
(To be sung)
We are Imperialists, we are growing all the time
So impressive are we as we march past line by line
Theocracy is our method of conquest and control
Hopefully through our enlightenment
We'll reach the top of the totem pole!

Nice ditty Uubry. :goodjob:

Should we make this a Party's Hymn?

Also if there are no objections I wish to create the office of Prime Minister (or Elder, which do you all think is better). The office will be filled by an elected Elder who is appointed by the Basileus and will be the leader of the High Council. The Prime Minister (Elder) will retain his duties as Elder as well as becoming the intermediary between the Basileus and the High Council.

All Elders Please check your PMs.

-the Wolf

Belated congratulations to our new Elder.

I'm sorry to spoil the party a bit but right now I'm a bit disappointed about the inward-focus right now.. It's a bit of a navel-gazing-thing at the moment...

We can all party (I mean "party" not PARTY ;) ) but isn't the IIP supposed to be more active to the outside? There are important polls going on and the basic set of the future game get set!!!

Well ok, maybe I'm just impatient though... :rolleyes:

P.S.: Of course I DO congratulate all elected officials of the IIP!!! :goodjob:

I'm sorry to spoil the party a bit but right now I'm a bit disappointed about the inward-focus right now.. It's a bit of a navel-gazing-thing at the moment...

We can all party (I mean "party" not PARTY ;) ) but isn't the IIP supposed to be more active to the outside? There are important polls going on and the basic set of the future game get set!!!

Well ok, maybe I'm just impatient though... :rolleyes:

P.S.: Of course I DO congratulate all elected officials of the IIP!!! :goodjob:

Yes we want to get involved in the affairs, but what can we do right, the Code of Laws and Constitution really doesn't need Party involvement.

Whew, RL took over for a while and I've been absent the for a while. I hope Gloriana hasn't taken over the world in my abscence.

It was a close election. Tboy won 8-7.

Whew, RL took over for a while and I've been absent the for a while. I hope Gloriana hasn't taken over the world in my abscence.

Naah I'm no spoilsport, I always give you a fair chance of fighting back! ;)

Three items today.

I hereby appoint Slim to the Post of Prime Elder.

The Destiny Party has petitioned to for inclusion into our Party, if there are no objections they will be offered membership in 48 hours.

Admiral-bell has had real life conspire to keep him away so his council seat needs to be filled by someone until he returns. Anybody want it? PM me or post here if you do.

-the Wolf

:goodjob: Slim.

Its good to see that we are living up to our Imperialist ideals, taking over other things.

Fellow Imperialists, I just wanted to say Hello

Yes we want to get involved in the affairs, but what can we do right, the Code of Laws and Constitution really doesn't need Party involvement.

You 're right, Slim: It doesn't need party-involvement, it needs general involvement!! :) So go on and state your opinion. There's a pretty tough "battle of opinions" going on in the polls-thread right now! It's fun!! :)

I'm assuming that this 3-day silence means that you are all involved in the Demogame discussions?

o sign me up for your party too Wolf:D

I wish to make an adnouncement. Just today for Christmas, I have gotten a new laptop along with Civ4 :D.

I plan to run for the Science Ministry. I do plan on making sure to research at least one religious tech during the time we are researching for work orders for our workers.

I would like to request all members to get involved and either nominate someone or run for an office.

:goodjob: Civgeneral

-the Wolf

Just an update, I have declined Science infavor for the State Department. I feel that this office is more suited for a newer Civ4 player such as myself who just got the game today.

Sign me up too

Count me in!!! I'm totally new to demogames and dont know much about it, but your party seem to be the funniest !!!

Count me in!!! I'm totally new to demogames and dont know much about it, but your party seem to be the funniest !!!
Don't forget the LARGEST too. :D

[party]Welcome to the IIP; 5star_US, roadwarrior, and TylerDurdon.[party]
You can take the wanna be out of your sig now, Tyler. ;)

:xmascheers: :xmastree: :xmassign: :newyear:

-the Wolf

The Destiny Party has petitioned to for inclusion into our Party, if there are no objections they will be offered membership in 48 hours.

Admiral-bell has had real life conspire to keep him away so his council seat needs to be filled by someone until he returns. Anybody want it? PM me or post here if you do.

Sorry for just now getting back to this, I've had a rather hectic week. :( The 48 hours passed with now objections so I am formally welcoming any members of the now disbanded Destiny Party who want to join us.[party]:xmascheers:

Also I still need a replacement for Admiral-bell while he is away, any takers?

-the Wolf

I nominate Gloriana to fill the council seat.

-the Wolf

I would like to join your party. Our Nation is the best Nation, all of it's Citizens are to be respected, and all of our Citizens should be free. As such, it is our responsibility to police the rest of the world

Welcome to the IIP, George. [party]

-the Wolf

i think i'll join, can i use PAX BHARAT instead though?

ok, i am PAX MOGUL now!

Hey everybody. Our beloved Basileus and I are running for President. I wanted to be sure to remind everybody go vote. My sig has the link for the thread to vote.

Platform for Man'O'Action

Friends and countrymen lend me your ears, our first term is crititcal to the future of our nation and I am proud to be running for President. These opening years will decide the direction for the rest of our civilization. We don't need bureaucrats we need pioneers.

In contrast to my opponent, my objectives will be to be needed and to be used as much as possible in the time that is alloted to me. Although the office of President is not meant to be an iron-fisted tyrant, it is vital that he be a coordinating and motivating figure that sews together the individual offices to a cohesive governing body.

Sucess will be determined by our preparedness for the future. The rising tide of growth will raise all of our objectives be they scientific, religious, defense, or otherwise. Food and infrastructure are our greatest resources and with our well planned growth we can outgrow economic and scientific stagnation. I will discourage the ambitions and dreams of the citizens but rather encourage them in the direction and form they should take.

Failure can be defined as the death of our settlers on their way to build new cities, the destruction of our worker crews bringing vital resources to our homes, or a war with our neighbors.

Most importantly, failure is defined as achieving less than we are capable of as a civilation.

I am the Man of Action and I'm asking you today to vote for growth and vote for Man'O'Action.

How do I join?

Post here, which you did. ;) And update your signature.

-the Wolf

Hey fellow Imperialists! Just wanted to encourage everyone to vote for fellow partymembers running for office! There are quite a few of us in this election so don't forget too vote!

- Aythanaeus, Ministry of the Interior Candidate.

From what I've seen so far, we are going to have the first president in Civ4 history and a REAL good hold on the office... hmmm seem pretty good let bring the empire to birth and make the other poor country feel our IPP ways!!!

I'm gonna wait a little see how it really play out and make myself governor of some city. And maybe, just maybe, if I have some spare time start something like (rough idea here)!!! The Atom's adorators church in which we will dress in with multi color towels dancing around a sacrificed lamb, praying the god of nuclear war and mayhem!!! :nuke: :cool:

Also I still need a replacement for Admiral-bell while he is away, any takers?

If its possible to self nominate, I would like to put my name in the hat for the possition :).

If its possible to self nominate, I would like to put my name in the hat for the possition :).
i'd like to nominate myself too!

Icould havesworn that right after your announcement about the absorbtion of the Destiny Party that i posted i wantedc to be a member, but its not there:eek: :eek: :eek: So i would like to clear things up and repost that request!

hi, my brother, robopig, told me about this place. i am new to the demogame, but could i join?

1. PAX______ Acceptable versions for the blank are: AMERICANA, BRITIANA, ROMA, MONGOLIA, HELLENES, DEUTSCHLAND (what ever the Greek one would be; any Greeks out there please help)

That would be Pax Hellenica for Greek.

Richard

Good point, except you both wrong! It would be Hellas (varriant of Hellen, I think) because they (the modern nation) are the Hellenic Republic.
(Greece: Ελλάδα, older form: Ελλάς, Hellas)

Information was provided by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece. Also provided in upteen different languages.

Greetings my fellow Imperialists!

I apologise greatly for my asbence during the last few weeks. I know it couldn't have been less fortunate during a period of voting to be gone, but the holidays rather absorbed me (read: vacation!). However, I am back fully and you shall certainly hear my opinion on things again..

Take care!

Oh, Gloriana! What a party you missed! :eek: I'm sure you already became aware of this election-fraud that happened?? Unfortunately I was on the losing side again, after I had already won!

(Just wanted to welcome you back and let everybody know, that I'm still around although on low profile at the moment...)

Cheers,
Stilgar

P.S.: I think work gets done in other threads right now? I encourage everybody of the IIP to post links to the most important discussions here! (I think the dividing into different departments is absolutely necessary but leads to more complexity and therefore confusion.. - If you think something is of higher importance I would like to know by checking my IIP-HQ (and in my case my DSP-HQ as well ;) )

Cheers,
Stilgar08

So I read, quite the mess you all get yourselves in if I'm away for two weeks! Guess I can't do *that* again :P

No but seriously, it's a bad thing and I feel sorry for you Stilgar to be on the losing side, and for all of us that it takes longer to be able to get started again. You have my participation again, that's for sure.

And thanks for welcoming me back :)

i renounce membership from the IIP. goodbye

this is a froad organization

do not claim him as a froad before you even know he's guilty. Who knows, someone else could of highjacked alphawolfs profile.

do not claim him as a froad before you even know he's guilty. Who knows, someone else could of highjacked alphawolfs profile.
thats true. however i still want to leave.

I did not say he is froad i said someone in the organization is froad.

I've been out for some days now!! and found that even in a demoGAME, like in real life, I voted for president a liar/cheater....

I know I know he might have been highjacked... this story feel like the BTK serial killer one... some guys who was DEVOTED to his fellow,only to discover that everything was a cover up to a much darker scenario....

Anyway!!! I still think its weird... he seem to have done so much for the game... that its still improbable....

another thing, if he is really guilty... what do we do with this party... do we end it... do we make elder run for leadership or just go on without leader and do some knight of the round table kinda way!!!

What is a froad, and what happened to alphawolf? Could someone fill me in. You miss to days around here and people start calling other people "froads".

What is a froad, and what happened to alphawolf? Could someone fill me in. You miss to days around here and people start calling other people "froads".

DZ wanders in among the chaos of the IIP

Two things.....

1. The word you are all looking for is fraud, unless you are trying to bypass the search censors of our moderators.

2. What happened? You can start here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=152528).

DZ disappears into the shadows............

Speaking of comment underneath this. You are right Blackbrd. I remove my comment because it is unkind. Good luck to your party. Blkbird is very wise, perhaps when things settle down, if there is no Alphawolf (If there is, then things should be fine), maybe Blkbird should start a new thread for you guys so that the "First Post" can once again be edited and updated. Anyway, best of luck, sorry for being a jerk.

This kind of "convertion campagn" isn't very nice. Our party isn't dead or foul just because someone in the leadership seems to be corrupt. We, the members, are bound by ideas, which persist independently from any particular person or persons.

EDIT: I appreciate your swift reaction to my complaint, NB. As of your suggestion of me taking over the leadership of this party, I like to make it clear that I have no such ambitions. Particularly, being a senior member of this party would prevent me from actively participating in the CFITG citizen group I founded.

I would like to put forth the official recomendation that this party disband and reform itself since we will be associated with Alphawolf.

I also call for an election for a new 'Head Hancho' provided their still intrest after we reform.

since we will be associated with Alphawolf

I reject the concept of "guilty by association" and therefore oppose the above recommendation.

(Speaking of "guilty by association", have you seen the new George Clooney movie "Good Night, and Good Luck" about Murrow vs. McCarthy? It's quite nice.)

I second that motion and wag my finger at you Uubry. While "allegedly" Alphawolf was "corrupt", he was also a good man. The Ideals of this party still ring true, and no matter who tries to bring down his work(I am Future ahem ahem) We must still though elect a need Head Man, then we must get back on our feet. We must bounce back from this, we must not falter!

OK, let me reword my meaning since I've been missunderstood.

Although you guys think that Alphawolf did much good during his time in the formation of this demogame (as I do), having Alphawolf as the first post will likely turn off new members (they will associate him with coruption :sad: ).

My main wish was that we start a new thread for that sake and the fact that we can't edit it! I do not wish to reform(change) the party with the obvious exception of a new party leader.

having Alphawolf as the first post will likely turn off new members (they will associate him with coruption :sad: ).

I'm not very concern by that, considering that *new* demogame citizens aren't likely to know who Alphawolf is anyway. Plus if someone does sympathize with the concept of "guilty by association" to some degree (even subconciously), I don't like to welcome him in our party anyway.

Every society needs to stand up to its history, even (and specially) if it contains element that are not subject to be proud of. This is especially the case if the society as such is not responsible for the wrongdoings. So I don't want to "start afresh" by putting a new wrap to the old stuffing - it would look like we have something to hide here, which we do not.

Then how do we edit the first post when things change?!?!!

Then how do we edit the first post when things change?!?!!

We'll find a way. Right now, there is yet no change.

Members of the IIP: I am sorry for "advertising" in your thread and have withdrawn my statement. I understand your reasonings and was not surprised to see your response (actually I would have been more surprised if there was no such response.) I have clearly overstepped my boundaries and apologize for offending your fine party. My intent was never to do that, however since that is the general consensous I will leave. Once again, I'm sorry.

Wow, bantste, could you maybe i don't know edit/remove your post, thanks. The Hawk-Doves are great and so are the Culturalists, but this was a little out of line. As a fellow member i urge you to recant your statement. :rolleyes:

I strongly agree with Swissempire. bantste, you're not the first one trying to pull a conversion campagn here. and thanks, but no thanks, this kind of stunt is still not welcome here.

Greetings my fellow Imperialists, as I am still proud to call myself and you by that name.

I agree we should stick to our identity, and although he was a great force behind this party, Alphawolf is not our IDENTITY. Our opinions and ideals are that. Plus, I agree we have nothing to hide. He is part of our history, heck he is our founder even! Does that mean we refuse to be involved with anything that has to do with him? If we don't want anything to do with Alphawolf, like those who try to convert us try to impend on us, we should advise them to end this demogame and start demogame 2, as he was one of the founding fathers of this game, far before he even came up with his draft for the Tri government. In addition; even the most evil people did good things. Hitler for instance created a road network in Germany that is still one of the most efficient in Europe. What I'm trying to say is: We should learn from the bad things so they do not happen again, but we would be fools not to pick up and expand on the good things!

For now, I suggest we continue the IIP with the Elders governing us. If a nation can be governed by its people, surely a great party like this, with people who know how to debate, can do without a leader for a while? We can elect a new leader when we feel we need one again, most preferrably when things have settled down a bit.

We will prevail!

Yes, bantste, as Vice-President and fellow member of the Hawk-Dove Party, I agree with the others that you should delete that post. If people are interested in our party, they can find it on their own.

Gloriana, truer words have never been spoken. This is what i have been saying all along, but sadly many people do not agree. This should be a lesson, a building point, not a road block or ending point!

As a member of the Hawk-Dove Party I hope that you guys come out of this even stronger and I look forward to working together with you in the Demogame. We are not trying to steal members, bantste just got a little over zealous in his recruiting. We are really just two aspects of the same ideology. Good luck sorting things out and hope to hear a lot from you guys in the future.

Well said Bengeance. Hopefully we can all move on from this tragic event.

Dear party members,

Allow me to point us to a problem concerning this party in the light of recent events. First of all, let me begin by quoting Rik Meleet in his official announcement of which accounts have turned out to be DLs

The 12 accounts are (in alphabetical order):

Alphawolf
CaliSurfer
Drunken Monkey
Gorillagorilla
Imerator29
Knightlancer
Namelessones
Neanderthalnsis
OfficialDeity
Pegasus_wings
Slim_Chance
Sticky Fingers

(Bold mine)

Next I would like to draw your attention to the members of our Council:

Basileus: Alphawolf
Prime Elder: Slim_Chance
1 Elder: Slim_Chance
1 Elder: admiral-bell Temporary Holder:
2 Elder: Mike Lemmer
2 Elder: Tboy
3 Elder: Knightlancer
3 Elder: uubry
The numbers denote the Class the Elder belongs to. Class denotes at which term the Elders are elected.
Class 1 Terms: 3, 6, 9....
Class 2 Terms: 2, 5, 8....
Class 3 Terms: 1, 4, 7....

(Again, bold mine)

Now I think the situation is clear; next to no longer having a Basileus (which we have already discussed), 2 of our Elders are also DL accounts, one of which being the Prime Elder.

Acting as a sort of Party CJ I have also verfied the Elder elections. Although they were also rather much influenced by fraudulent votes, the eventual outcome remained the same, the first election being won by Mike Lemmer and a tie between Tboy and Gloriana, the runoff was won by Tboy.

I know I do not hold office, but these are weird times and as our elders did not address this issue I though I'd take it up.

My question is: what do we do with the now vacant Elder positions?

My question is: what do we do with the now vacant Elder positions?

I have the simplest solution: just reduce the number of elders. Alphawolf had a bit of gigantism in himself and tended to overdo things. Six elders is too much for a party of this size.

I confirm Gloriana's statements, as I did the same check when the scandal broke. I also agree with Blkbird's suggestion. I suggest we lead as just a council of elders for now and elect a new Basileus around Term 2.

I agree with reducing the number of Elders. The number had made communication difficult since you can only PM up to 5 people at a time.

Note to all non-elders: I sent to a PM to all the remaining elders to touch base to get their input (and to make sure they didn't go AWOL)

"and the wheels go roud" YAY we're back in action!

I agree on reducing the number of Elders. We should be doing fine with the amount we have now. Heck, we ARE doing fine with the amount of Elders we have now! We are a good party, yaaay! :-)

And thanks for confirming my findings Mike! ;)

I know I just sent the PM yesterday how long should we wait for replies from Tboy and admiral-bell, or for that matter any elder, before their seats are vacated?

how long has it been since thye last posted?

Let's see...

Tboy-Dec 13, 2005, 11:57 AM; pg 8, post #145 (note: this was when he got elected and he only posted 1-3 times before that)

admiral-bell- Nov 04, 2005, 07:34 PM; pg 1, post #6 (he was made an elder because he was a founding member, but I think he was to be replaced already because of that large bout of inaction [his was his only post])

I think it would be fair to appoint Gloria an elder since she almost beat Tboy and leave it at three elders, plus it's an odd number.

Gloria can run for Elder, and she'd probably win easily. But we can't *appoint* her, particularly not for the reason that she "almost won" last time. That'd be a very very poor practice of democracy.

Well, democracy normally doesn't have people disappear off the face of the Earth, either. We can declare both posts abandoned and host another election for them over the weekend.

Declare both vacant and have an election. It will make members flock back, because everyone loves polls!

OK. So the official declaration...

If either of the current elders previously refered to don't post by 3:00 PM EST Saturday, an election will be opened. If you wish to run please post your name and platform now.

How long should the election poll be?

Same as the last one, I'd say. Are we in a hurry?

I nominate Gloriana and Myself.

My platform:

We as a party must stand together through this time of hardship. From the beginning i have been advocating that we not disband or rename, but instead carry on. We need a light through this dark time, and a captain to navigate us through these murky waters. I will be your captain, and I will be your light. We must overcome these obstacles and reassert our rightful place as a top tier party! Vote Swissempire if you wish to see the IIP rise again. Vote swissempire as your light through the darkness, your captain through the murky waters, your architect who will bring about a Golden Age of the IIP. Vote Me, Swissempire, for elder of the IIP!

I would like to second swissempire's nomination. He could fill the position great.:goodjob:

I'm sorry, I goffed. I ment to type 3:00 PM EST Sunday, so please keep nominating if you wish. (corrected from above)

Note: the opening chat is at 5 PM EST that same day

The Elder Election has started!

The current nominees are Gloriana and Swissempire.

See Below

The election has been restarted because of technical problems.

New poll is Here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=154115)

Just for the record: I accept the nomination, thanks Swissempire ;) Oh, and it's not fair you use Golden Age in your platform, that'd be my (Gloriana's!) trademark! :-P

Basically, what I plan is to continue the strong line our party has begun with. We are a party that is large and influential, as we obviously have strong and noble ideals. I intend to promote those ideals to the best of my ability. In addition I'd like to keep this party a fun, warm party for its members, where people like to come back to, where we can have discussions that everyone can participate in and in which members feel at home. Basically, we have to stay the way we were before the Hard Times began. The Golden Age is right outside our door, and it is our party that creates it, makes it come true. I know Swissempire and I have about the same platform, and it'd be cool to share an Elder position (as in the Roman Consulate) but what I'm trying to say is that whoever of us you vote in, you can't go wrong! We represent the party and will serve it the best we can, we make it the wonderful place it is; the IIP!

Roman Consulate, hmmm... If you guys tie I might consider it.

Please vote in this poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=154561). One of the choices honors our old great leader!

hmmmmm. i'm a bit off topic, but could someone PM all this crap about Alpha? What happened...?

And the Elder election results are <drumroll>

Gloriana- 3

Swissempire- 3

Hahaha, cool, time to consider that Roman Consulate thing Uubry! ;)

I'd like to congratulate Swissempire and myself on doing such a splendid job drawing a tie, hurraaah! (I should join the Idiot's Partee as well :-P)

Errrm excuse me my dear fellow IIP's but... it feels a bit as if I am the party all by myself at this moment... Where are you all...?

I'm here. I am sheep, waiting for a shepard to follow. :)

What should we have a discussion about? Which line of research should our party pursue? Our platform seems to want all three to succeed, hence all of our discusions are being directed into the other threads.

Although, maybe we should make a new party and call ourselves the Smarties, as an anti-thesis to the Idiots.

I'm sorry ablout the LONG silence (internet issues), but I haven't had much time either way.Would all of thoes who still call themselves members please post for a head count (except Gloriana and GeorgeOP)

I'm still here.

Looks like you are all gone...

Mmmm I do believe that we are indeed no longer the largest party... :-(

My fellow Imperialists,
Due to a lack of time and interest, I will withdraw from the Demogame at the end of this term. At that time I will resign from my post as Elder. I wish you all the best of luck in the game to come.

Good news fellow party members! I have been given the title Director of Intelligence. I hope everyone here wins their respective elections.

Things could be worse Gloriana...

PS: If Swissempire does not post soon, you'll be my new partner in crime

Trying to get rid of me so soon eh!

No, I just thought you went AWOL.

Note: Swiss and Gloriana you both will be accepted as Eldars :lol: :lol: (lotr joke) :king:

Would the Enlightened Imperialist Party please support me as I run for Head of Science? Remember Sid does what is best for the people of the demogame and not the corrupt corporate officials.

Would the Enlightened Imperialist Party please support me as I run for Head of Science? Remember Sid does what is best for the people of the demogame and not the corrupt corporate officials.

That doesn't exist ;)

Would the Enlightened Imperialist Party please support me as I run for Head of Science? Remember Sid does what is best for the people of the demogame and not the corrupt corporate officials.

Are you categorize me, your fellow IIP member and the current Minister of Science running for relection, as a "corrupt corperate official"?

I don't think IamSid is a pary member Blkbird.

Although I support idiots, I don't think a True Idiot should be in charge of science.