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Llotyhy
Nov 10, 2005, 08:18 PM
Download HERE (http://www.ihud.com/file.php?file=1132780836/Leaders.zip)

# Leaders Mod v.1.2
# Civilization 4 (c) 2005 Firaxis Games
# Created by - Jasper (Llotyhy) Stringa
# Made possible with the immense help of:
- niffweed17
- Jecrell
- 'Matt'

Leaders Mod v.1.2 (11/23/2005)

Features:

- Forty-five new leaders added (See overview files for details).
- The added leaders have still (not moving like the original Civ 4) pictures for diplomacy.
- All added leaders have their own traits.
- All added leaders have their own flavors.
- All added leaders have their own settings for aggressiveness, happiness with other leaders, etc.
- All added leaders have their own favourite civic.
- All added leaders have Civilopedia entries, with corresponding button-picture.
- This mod is only for English version as Civilopedia entries for other four languages have not been added.
- Some original leaders have altered traits and/or favorouite civics, to increase historical accuracy
- There is an optional Hitler-picture in the mod-files, it's made by 'Matt' and looks great, however, it has a swastika, so only use that if you're not offended by anything like that. If you are, just use the original one, it looks good as well.

Please enjoy this mod, make sure to check every now and then, since it might be expanded and improved upon soon.

Please contact me with feedback and your suggestions at:
jasper.stringa@gmail.com or with the same addy at MSN.

Or just send a private message on the Civilization Fanatics forum or respond to this thread.

Greetings
Jasper Stringa a.k.a. Llotyhy

EDIT: Working again... :)

blunt3d
Nov 10, 2005, 08:32 PM
any screen shots?

Llotyhy
Nov 10, 2005, 08:47 PM
Sure, here goes. :)

Llotyhy
Nov 11, 2005, 06:40 AM
Has anyone tried it out yet? Any feedback? :)

Chopperhead
Nov 11, 2005, 06:49 AM
are the LH's animated?

Llotyhy
Nov 11, 2005, 06:50 AM
No, that's impossible for someone with my computer-know-how... ;)

userqwerty
Nov 11, 2005, 06:54 AM
i an not muslem, but having Muhhamad as a leader head is inappropriate acording to their custom. In fact it is a grave sin depicting him.

userqwerty
Nov 11, 2005, 06:55 AM
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/008170.php

Llotyhy
Nov 11, 2005, 07:09 AM
I don't mean that in any negative way... Muhammad was a great leader and prophet of a great civilization, I just felt he needed to be in, because he had such a great influence on history.

I'm not taking sides or anything.

And as usual: If you don't like it, don't download it. I'll make a note in the first post though.

yendorII
Nov 11, 2005, 07:09 AM
WOW thats all I can say about the above link.
Cool mod man thanks for putting in the work.

Tunch Khan
Nov 11, 2005, 07:18 AM
i an not muslem, but having Muhhamad as a leader head is inappropriate acording to their custom. In fact it is a grave sin depicting him. I'll second that and we had a very lenghty thread about this very issue not too long ago here. The thread soon became grounds for Islam bashing, I hope it won't be the case here. It's the modders decision, but you should be aware that this will make a lot of people sad and feel insulted.

Llotyhy
Nov 11, 2005, 07:25 AM
WOW thats all I can say about the above link.
Cool mod man thanks for putting in the work.

Thanks! :)

I'll second that and we had a very lenghty thread about this very issue not too long ago here. The thread soon became grounds for Islam bashing, I hope it won't be the case here. It's the modders decision, but you should be aware that this will make a lot of people sad and feel insulted.

I don't want to 'bash' Islam in any way, in fact, I find it a very interesting and beautiful culture, *but* I don't want to play against a purple-screen, which is what you get when you don't put in a picture at all... so unless anyone has an alternative, I think I'm going to stick with this.

Tunch Khan
Nov 11, 2005, 07:33 AM
I don't want to 'bash' Islam in any way, in fact, I find it a very interesting and beautiful culture, *but* I don't want to play against a purple-screen, which is what you get when you don't put in a picture at all... so unless anyone has an alternative, I think I'm going to stick with this. There is indeed an alternative if you are actually interested. It would be the best not include him, but since you are determined; you can add pictures/images of him with his face veiled as he was depicted in muslim sources, miniatures. Otherwise it's a good mod and congratulations.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/50/Miraj2.jpg

Llotyhy
Nov 11, 2005, 07:38 AM
Aah, of course, I should have thought about that. Thanks for the great hint, v1.01 will have one of the Miraj-pictures for Muhammad, expect it up here in a few minutes... :)

Tunch Khan
Nov 11, 2005, 07:40 AM
Thanks for the sensitivity.

Llotyhy
Nov 11, 2005, 07:55 AM
I should be the one thanking you... ;)

Again, I meant no disrespect, I'm very sorry. :blush:

EDIT: 1.01 is up, hope we can drop the issue now... ;)

Anyone else been playing with the Mod and/or wants me to add more leaders and/or change current ones? Feel free to comment!

nervouspete
Nov 11, 2005, 11:37 AM
Top work, Llotynhy!

Though I almost fell off my chair laughing when Churchill says, "there shall be peace in our time!" - Crivens! The irony!

Greek Plunder
Nov 11, 2005, 12:04 PM
It's very, very appreciated! I'm not going to download it just yet, as I want to play more using the existing leaders, to get comfortable with them, first, but I will afterwards. Is there a limit to how many leaders there can be per Civilization? If not, could you eventually add Marcus Aurelius for the Romans? I see you have Augustus there.

Red Door
Nov 11, 2005, 12:11 PM
Looks good, but Churchill looks very scary.

Llotyhy
Nov 11, 2005, 12:17 PM
It's very, very appreciated! I'm not going to download it just yet, as I want to play more using the existing leaders, to get comfortable with them, first, but I will afterwards. Is there a limit to how many leaders there can be per Civilization? If not, could you eventually add Marcus Aurelius for the Romans? I see you have Augustus there.

No, there is no limit. Now, all Civs have 2 leaders, except England, America, Russia and Germany, they have 3... Marcus Aurelius is on the shortlist for the third Roman... and I didn't add Augustus, I added Trajan, by far the 'best' emperor in my opinion. :)

Llotyhy
Nov 11, 2005, 12:17 PM
Looks good, but Churchill looks very scary.

That's not unintentional... :D

Sobsob
Nov 11, 2005, 02:30 PM
Hi just booted it up {I just had to play as Churchill} I see you have at least one leader who is Industrious and philosophical maybe more haven't checked.From what I gather Firaxis took this combo out during testing as it proved too strong I guess the only way we will tell is by testing it though.Looks a nice mod though thanks for the work.

evirus
Nov 11, 2005, 02:38 PM
heres what you should do now.... make more leaders(would stop the "where is so and so" threads) and make the orignal leader heads still as well(picture not movie) it would be a big service to the people without the top of the line computers(mine takes a minute or two to load the leader heads, vary annoying)

ejdacanay
Nov 11, 2005, 02:59 PM
Looks good, but Churchill looks very scary.

lol, churchill does look scary

btw, very nice mod

lifeaquatic
Nov 11, 2005, 03:06 PM
who cares.

Corey
Nov 11, 2005, 03:27 PM
Link is not working.Upload it at CFC.

userqwerty
Nov 11, 2005, 03:44 PM
heres what you should do now.... make more leaders(would stop the "where is so and so" threads) and make the orignal leader heads still as well(picture not movie) it would be a big service to the people without the top of the line computers(mine takes a minute or two to load the leader heads, vary annoying)

There is a still portrait and the freeze frame leaderhead mod

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=141770

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=141770

evirus
Nov 11, 2005, 04:26 PM
There is a still portrait and the freeze frame leaderhead mod

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=141770

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=141770
sweet many thanks for the link

Llotyhy
Nov 11, 2005, 10:15 PM
Hi just booted it up {I just had to play as Churchill} I see you have at least one leader who is Industrious and philosophical maybe more haven't checked.From what I gather Firaxis took this combo out during testing as it proved too strong I guess the only way we will tell is by testing it though.Looks a nice mod though thanks for the work.

Lincoln and Mutsuhito... I don't know about any testing results, but they seem to fit in that category nicely. ;)

Jecrell
Nov 11, 2005, 10:59 PM
You want your Civ Leaderheads to be 512x512 -- a little stretched. So they look alright when they're stretched in diplomacy.

I recommend going into the Greek World Mod directory and looking at how they handled the Hannibal head -- which scales quite well in diplomacy screens.

I'm surprised they didn't use those proporitions in the Desert War mod. Diplomacy was rather akward in that. :laugh:

But very good job. I know a lot of people have been aching for more options and leaders. As a fellow modder I salute you. :)

Llotyhy
Nov 12, 2005, 06:55 AM
Point is, the leaderheads *are* 512x512, I don't know what to do about the stretching though... =/

Jecrell
Nov 12, 2005, 07:08 AM
Point is, the leaderheads *are* 512x512, I don't know what to do about the stretching though... =/
I don't know precisely the exact percentages though. It takes some trial and error for what "looks the best."

Llotyhy
Nov 12, 2005, 08:38 AM
Ah, in the Greek world mod, the 512x512 pics are stretched to the side, so that it looks good in the game.

For version 1.1 (ready in a week or so I expect):

- Some more leaders, among which Charlemagne, Xerxes, Marcus Aurelius, etc...
- Correct leaderheads (stretch-free) ;)


Only problem:

The actions_builds_leaderheads_specialists_atlas file is full, I'll see if I can find a way around that though...

Jecrell
Nov 12, 2005, 12:41 PM
Ah, in the Greek world mod, the 512x512 pics are stretched to the side, so that it looks good in the game.

For version 1.1 (ready in a week or so I expect):

- Some more leaders, among which Charlemagne, Xerxes, Marcus Aurelius, etc...
- Correct leaderheads (stretch-free) ;)


Only problem:

The actions_builds_leaderheads_specialists_atlas file is full, I'll see if I can find a way around that though...
I noticed in game there are some subtle problems with the buttons and such. Instead of having a transparent background they have black backgrounds and such. Then I realized what you did.

Don't use the atlas files to append things to -- it's much better to create unique DDS files that don't replace things and then referencing them individually. The less things replaced the better I say. If you really like the files like that you could probably create your own custom atlas database thingy -- but I prefer to keep it simple.

thescaryworker
Nov 12, 2005, 12:59 PM
The mod sounds great, but how do I install it?

Greek Plunder
Nov 12, 2005, 01:18 PM
Also, for Japan, you could add Meiji for an alternate leader. I would say make him Financial/Organized, although you may want to change Organized, since Tokugawa has the same...

EDITED: Oops, it looks like you've already added 'Meiji.' I should have downloaded the file before posting!

blunt3d
Nov 12, 2005, 05:33 PM
nice mod man, i was'nt really into the goofy moving heads... are you going to add anymore LH's? I can post some pics for the other leaders.

Llotyhy
Nov 12, 2005, 06:49 PM
Also, for Japan, you could add Meiji for an alternate leader. I would say make him Financial/Organized, although you may want to change Organized, since Tokugawa has the same...

EDITED: Oops, it looks like you've already added 'Meiji.' I should have downloaded the file before posting!

Hehe, yeah, but the man was called Mutsuhito, Meiji means just enlightened, because that's what characterized his reign. ;)

I've made the man philosophical/industrious though, unlike you suggested... Philosophical because of that enlightenment, and because of his realization that Japan needed to learn from Europe in order to become a great power in Asia... Industrious because of the enormous advancement Japan made in those years in terms of technology and production.

Llotyhy
Nov 12, 2005, 06:51 PM
I noticed in game there are some subtle problems with the buttons and such. Instead of having a transparent background they have black backgrounds and such. Then I realized what you did.

Don't use the atlas files to append things to -- it's much better to create unique DDS files that don't replace things and then referencing them individually. The less things replaced the better I say. If you really like the files like that you could probably create your own custom atlas database thingy -- but I prefer to keep it simple.

Such a simple idea, and I didn't even think about it... thanks a lot, I will look around a bit how it works and how it looks, and then you'll probably find a difference when 1.1 comes out... :) Thanks! :D

niffweed17
Nov 12, 2005, 07:41 PM
its a great mod, but if you want suggestions, i think the leaders you picked and the traits they carry could use some work.

aztecs- itzcoatl is not a terrible choice, but i think that ahuizotl definitely deserves to be included more. hell, i think montezuma I did far more than montezuma II ever did.

mali- sundiata agressive? that doesn't make too much sense to me. i'd change it to industrious/financial.

furthermore, you appear to have three leaders being philosophical and agressive, namely alexander the great, stalin, and abraham lincoln. i don't understand the justification for either stalin or lincoln. i would recommend that stalin be changed to aggressive and organized, and lincoln be changed to philosophical and organized. philip II can be changed to aggressive and creative.

two more leaders that i would love to see: chandragupta, who could maybe be philosophical and spiritual. charlemagne, perhaps expansive and creative or expansive and philosophical.

the other thing is the favored civics, but to be honest none of the included civs make any sense, so i wouldn't fool around with them too heavily.

sorry if this is a lot of nitpicking, but i look at the game from a perspective of historical accuracy.

Llotyhy
Nov 12, 2005, 09:37 PM
Nice! Nitpicking! :D Ok...

its a great mod, but if you want suggestions, i think the leaders you picked and the traits they carry could use some work.

aztecs- itzcoatl is not a terrible choice, but i think that ahuizotl definitely deserves to be included more. hell, i think montezuma I did far more than montezuma II ever did.

I think Itzcoatl is the most important Aztec leader, but we can of course have a different opinion on that... ;) Ahuizotl and Montezuma I are both on the shortlist of becoming the third Aztec leader, dunno yet though.


mali- sundiata agressive? that doesn't make too much sense to me. i'd change it to industrious/financial.

You're right, my bad, changed it, will be on next version.

furthermore, you appear to have three leaders being philosophical and agressive, namely alexander the great, stalin, and abraham lincoln. i don't understand the justification for either stalin or lincoln. i would recommend that stalin be changed to aggressive and organized, and lincoln be changed to philosophical and organized. philip II can be changed to aggressive and creative.

Ehm... well, that's a different story. Stalin is noted wrong in the overview, I just realized, he's Philosophical/Industrious in the mod (that's not even debatable in my opinion, cause he wasn't aggressive at all.) Lincoln, well, that's nice of you to notice... if I could have made him 'just' philosophical I would have, but all the other traits didn't exactly fit in in my opinion, so I chose aggressive, but I think I will do as you said and change him into phi/org. It'll be changed next version as well. Philip II is far more organized than creative in my opinion... I think he should be most remembered for his organizational skills even. He disliked the idea of secretaries and such deciding for him, so he chose to read and reply to all letters by himself... the man organized an entire empire, not that easy.


two more leaders that i would love to see: chandragupta, who could maybe be philosophical and spiritual. charlemagne, perhaps expansive and creative or expansive and philosophical.

Chandragupta will be in next version phi/spi as you said. Nice that we both seem to think the same thing. ;) Charlemagne will be in as well, dunno about the traits yet though, will need to brush up on my reading.

the other thing is the favored civics, but to be honest none of the included civs make any sense, so i wouldn't fool around with them too heavily.

Ok... but which one is the problem then? I tried to make them as accurately as possible. The choices are very limited though, I agree.

sorry if this is a lot of nitpicking, but i look at the game from a perspective of historical accuracy.

I *love* nitpicking... and it made me change two things in-mod and two things in mod-overview, so I'm glad. ;)

Llotyhy
Nov 12, 2005, 09:46 PM
Some leaders that will definitely be included next version:

Charlemagne of France
Chandragupta of India
Xerxes of Persia
Marcus Aurelius of Rome
Franco of Spain

Some maybes:

Ahuioztl or Montezuma I of Aztec (Montezuma I is unlikely, because I don't like two people with the same name.)
Thutmosis III or Akhenaton of Egypt.
Túpac Inca of Inca (Not sure if this is the best choice, need to read some more)

The rest is still unknown...

Anyone some suggestions on the leaders that should be included as well? Japan and Greece I find difficult particularly...

Greetings and happy Civving,
Llotyhy

niffweed17
Nov 13, 2005, 06:21 PM
Ok... but which one is the problem then? I tried to make them as accurately as possible. The choices are very limited though, I agree.


if i were making a mod (which, sadly, i lack the technical knowledge to do very well) i would almost ignore the favorite civics of the leaders. they are inappropriately distributed to begin with and some civics (like the governmental ones) are used with four or five leaders, while some other civics (like the economics and religious ones) are used for one or no leaders.

furthermore, some leaders have some options that are just simply wrong. take gandhi for example. in the game his favorite civic is universal suffrage. i can only wonder what exactly the justification for not giving him the pacifism civic, which seems to be built just for him.


i don't know if this would require digging deeper into game files, but i would totally rework the civics for the original civs:

alexander- slavery
asoka- caste system
bismarck- bureaucracy
catherine- emancipation
cyrus- representation
elizabeth- freedom of religion
frederick- freedom of speech
gandhi- pacifism
genghis khan- caste system
hatshepsut- hereditary rule
huayna capac- hereditary rule
isabella- police state
julius caesar- bureaucracy
kublai khan- vassalage (i know this one's sketchy... i have to put vassalage somewhere)
louis XIV- mercantilism
mansa musa- free market
mao- state property
montezuma- organized religion
napoleon- police state
peter- serfdom
qin shih huang- serfdom
roosevelt- universal suffrage
saladin- theocracy
tokugawa- environmentalism
victoria- nationhood
washington- representation

as for the newer rulers, i'm too tired to deal with for now. but no more triplicates.

Llotyhy
Nov 13, 2005, 08:15 PM
Not at all, it's quite easy to edit even... so, next version will also contain better trait-distribution... I'll take a look at your list for that... Thanks! :cool:

blunt3d
Nov 14, 2005, 02:35 PM
Are you going to change the regular civ leaders to still images too?

jeepguy
Nov 14, 2005, 04:13 PM
Not at all, it's quite easy to edit even... so, next version will also contain better trait-distribution... I'll take a look at your list for that... Thanks! :cool:

Most of the above civic suggestions are very good, but two in particular strike me as being quite incorrect.

Roosevelt should have Universal Suffrage. Washington should probably favor Representation above all else.

It was during the WWII era that the United States domestic production was kicked into overdrive due in large part to women entering the workforce in droves, encouraged to do so by the government, Rosie the Riveter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosie_the_riveter) et al. Given the boost to production offered by this civic, it's clearly best applied to this American leader above any other.

By contrast, in Washington's era women were without the right to vote, as were slaves (Washington was a slave owner).

I understand the idea is to assign every trait to at least one leader, but Emancipation doesn't really make a whole lot of sense for FDR, and Universal Suffrage makes no sense at all for Washington.

Give Lincoln Emancipation, FDR Universal Suffrage, and Washington Representation, for the most historically accurate civic assignment for the Americans.

Llotyhy
Nov 14, 2005, 08:10 PM
Are you going to change the regular civ leaders to still images too?

Not planning to.

Llotyhy
Nov 14, 2005, 08:13 PM
In next version you will (probably) find:

Marcus Aurelius of Rome
Ogedei Khan of Mongol
Franco of Spain
Wu Zetian of China
Thutmose III of Egypt
Themistocles of Greece
Xerxes of Persia
Harun al-Rashid of Arabia
Tupac Inca Yupanqui of Inca
Auítzotl of Aztec
Charlemagne of France
Mansa Wali Keita of Mali
Minamoto no Yorimoto of Japan
Chandragupta of India

cckerberos
Nov 14, 2005, 09:11 PM
Hehe, yeah, but the man was called Mutsuhito, Meiji means just enlightened, because that's what characterized his reign. ;)
Well, Mutsuhito was his name, but he was never actually "called" that :D Seriously, though... I'm a Japanese history grad student, and the name Mutsuhito is obscure (unknown by virtually all Japanese), and pretty much never used. Meiji would have been a more natural choice (as it's more often used as his name in both Japan and the West).

I've made the man philosophical/industrious though, unlike you suggested... Philosophical because of that enlightenment, and because of his realization that Japan needed to learn from Europe in order to become a great power in Asia...
Meiji wasn't behind the Meiji Restoration or the decision for Japan to modernize; that was the decision of the Meiji oligarchs (genro). His was a symbolic, largely powerless monarchy, and little is actually known about the man himself and his opinions. I agree with his inclusion in the list as a symbol of the Meiji era, but just wanted to clarify about the man himself :)

I've downloaded the mod and look forward to trying it.

Llotyhy
Nov 15, 2005, 04:12 AM
Ok, you convinced me, he'll be called Meiji next version... ;)

MSpencer
Nov 15, 2005, 04:38 AM
Stalin not aggressive? This might be going back a bit, but Stalin was hardly a peach. Josef Stalin ordered the purges of the 1930s which resulted in the majority of the red officer corps being eliminated or imprisoned (There goes any claim for organized...), and also, shortly after the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact of August 1939 (The same pact which made the United Kingdom reasonably believe that Soviet Russia was going to completely ally with Nazi Germany), Stalin attacked and invaded Finland, a war which only ended in spring of 1940. The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact also agreed on the partition of Poland, an action which resulted in the Red Army going to war with Poland and invading. During the late stages of Barbarossa, and before Blau, Stalin and Churchill jointly invaded Persia. In 1945, Stalin readied troops to invade Japan, surrender or no surrender. In 1950, Stalin authorized North Korea to attack South Korea, and today there is evidence that it was completely his idea. Stalin was hardly anything more than an iron-fisted brute out for Soviet domination.

Llotyhy
Nov 15, 2005, 04:51 AM
There are *tons* of leaders constantly choosing the military option whenever they could... Stalin wasn't like that I think, more choosing the opportunities when they showed themselves, like the other leaders not falling in the first category.

Furthermore, I think the most important trait is industrious for him, because of the enormous industrial growth in that period. Second trait is either aggressive or philosophical (because of the communism, in whatever lousy form it was in), but since practically every leader can be said to be aggressive, I chose philosophical.

EDIT: He has very low warrand settings though, meaning he'll be very likely to go to war often.

niffweed17
Nov 15, 2005, 09:01 PM
Most of the above civic suggestions are very good, but two in particular strike me as being quite incorrect.

Roosevelt should have Universal Suffrage. Washington should probably favor Representation above all else.

It was during the WWII era that the United States domestic production was kicked into overdrive due in large part to women entering the workforce in droves, encouraged to do so by the government, Rosie the Riveter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosie_the_riveter) et al. Given the boost to production offered by this civic, it's clearly best applied to this American leader above any other.

By contrast, in Washington's era women were without the right to vote, as were slaves (Washington was a slave owner).

I understand the idea is to assign every trait to at least one leader, but Emancipation doesn't really make a whole lot of sense for FDR, and Universal Suffrage makes no sense at all for Washington.

Give Lincoln Emancipation, FDR Universal Suffrage, and Washington Representation, for the most historically accurate civic assignment for the Americans.

while this idea about the three american leaders is fine, each trait should be given at least once to each original leader, of which lincoln is not one. nonetheless, you're probably right about this, since catherine also has emancipation (because she tried her darndest to free the serfs in russia until she got sick of hearing them bicker with each other).

so i will make that change to my list. i will also update the list to include the newer leaders as i think they fit most accurately in the near future.

slaxton
Nov 15, 2005, 10:00 PM
i love it. great idea, ive been saying it from the very beginning that civ4 needed more leaders. personally i say the more the better, no reason to leave out anyone. i couldnt understand why they didnt put in more leaders, or more civs for that matter (i read somewhere, one of the programmers said that they tested with more of each, as well as religions, and decided that it was best not to add more.... i think thats just an excuse to be lazy and not put in everything that would have made this game perfect from the beginning (instead, they decided to leave it up to the fans to perfect it for themselves by making it as modable as possible))

Ad Hominem
Nov 16, 2005, 02:59 AM
Very good idea. Suggestions for Greek leaders coming up:


Dionysios of Syracusae (famous leader of Syracusae)
Financial/Industrius
favors police state

Basil Bulgaroktonos (one of the greatest Byzantine emperors)
Aggressive/Creative
favors slavery

Alexios Komnenos (another great Byzantine)
Philosophical/Creative
favors hereditary rule

Eleftherios Venizelos (greatest modern Greek leader)
Expansive/Creative
favors nationhood

Since we had only ancient, tried to strike a balance.

Llotyhy
Nov 16, 2005, 03:56 AM
Themistocles will be added version 1.1. Dionysos of Syracusae in 1.2... but that's quite far from now... since I am quite busy with uni-work atm... in a week or so that'll be over though, and then I'll add a lot of leaders... :)

For the Greeks, I wasn't planning to add Byzantines because they're not really Greeks in my opinion. Neither are they Romans... just Byzantines.

Llotyhy
Nov 16, 2005, 04:05 AM
Niffweed, for your civic list:

Version 1.1 (sure to be added within the week)
Marcus Aurelius of Rome
Ogedei Khan of Mongol
Franco of Spain
Wu Zetian of China
Thutmose III of Egypt
Themistocles of Greece
Xerxes of Persia
Harun al-Rashid of Arabia
Tupac Inca Yupanqui of Inca
Ahuitzotl of Aztec
Charlemagne of France
Mansa Wali Keita of Mali
Minamoto no Yoritomo of Japan
Chandragupta of India

Version 1.2 (probably within two weeks)
Lenin of Russia
Charles de Gaulle of France
Ludwig II of Germany
Augustus of Rome
Timur of Mongol
Kangxi of China
Toyotomi Hideyoshi of Japan
Samudragupta of India
Cleopatra of Egypt
William I of England
Pelayo of Spain
James K. Polk of America
Al-Mansur of Arabia
Dionysios of Syracusae of Greece

Have fun... :) I'll completely copy what you'll decide, so go ahead! :D Thanks in advance! :cool:

JDexter
Nov 16, 2005, 04:15 AM
Nice mod idea, BUT Charlemagne was NOT French, he was from a german tribe (which founded the Franconian empire, not the French empire, big difference). The follow-up empire of which was the "Holy Roman Empire of German Nationality" (which is why Hitler called his empire the Third "Reich").
Also, Charlemagne's capital (btw his other name is "Karl der Große" = Carl the great) was Aachen - which is a German city even today (although Germany is much smaller than the Franconian Empire was).
There also is a region in Bavaria that is still called "Franken", because the Germanic tribe that lived around the Aachen-area settled there after some wandering around.

Please do NOT include him if it's French, that just hurts!

Llotyhy
Nov 16, 2005, 04:33 AM
Point is, both France and Germany claim their legacy to begin with Charlemagne... and, to be honest, both are correct in my opinion. However, one needs to make choices for a mod like this, and Charlemagne would (whatever his country) be a great addition. Germany has some interesting leaders to add (Hitler for example just had to be in) but for France it's difficult to even find a third that's interesting.

Jecrell
Nov 16, 2005, 04:34 AM
Even though James K. Polk seems like a pretty good idea -- he doesn't really fit in imo compared to other American leaders that people would be more likely to play. Such as Thomas Jefferson, Harry S. Truman, and Bill Clinton or George Bush Jr. (modern presidents).

Llotyhy
Nov 16, 2005, 04:39 AM
Thomas Jefferson is also a nice idea, Truman perhaps... Clinton might be a good president, but he's too recent to add... and I'm not even going to start about George W.

Polk however, made a great contribution, and is also nice because he can be given the trait expansive... Also, it doesn't offend either one of the American political sides if I add him. ;)

Jefferson will be in one day though... probably.

Jecrell
Nov 16, 2005, 04:44 AM
I like how you currently have Abraham Lincoln and George Washington -- two founding fathers. To fit along with the war era it might be good to pair up with Roosevelt and Truman -- two WWII presidents. James K. Polk ... I just don't see any desire to really play as him though.

But seriously -- politics are fairly annoying -- for the sake of additions I would say if you had to add in Clinton add in George (W or H) as well. It's funny how George W. Bush is as touchy a subject as Hitler on the internet these days... some people take this too seriously.

But I will say that the most impossible task is to find a picture of George W. Bush on the internet that is neither silly or photoshopped. :)

kirkjr13
Nov 16, 2005, 04:53 AM
sorry, probably a basic question but..

..is it possible to have the benefits of this mod (like being able to lead english as a male leader!!) but also use another mod. I'd love to be able to play as churchill, but also have the changes made in the realism mod.

Llotyhy
Nov 16, 2005, 05:01 AM
Whatever happens, I'm not going to add George W... Hitler and Stalin were obvious that unlike their past, they should be in the mod... but George W. is just a step too far for me in that aspect, because that would be hurting people that live today... not 50 years ago.

Plus, if I'm going to say here in Netherlands that I added George W. to my mod I'm probably not going to survive to tell the tale... ;)


On the other question - Sure that's possible! :) You'll have to copy the files from this mod to the folder with the other mod you're using, and then you'll have both in one. :cool:

Jecrell
Nov 16, 2005, 05:15 AM
Whatever happens, I'm not going to add George W... Hitler and Stalin were obvious that unlike their past, they should be in the mod... but George W. is just a step too far for me in that aspect, because that would be hurting people that live today... not 50 years ago.

Plus, if I'm going to say here in Netherlands that I added George W. to my mod I'm probably not going to survive to tell the tale... ;)

You don't want to explain why no GWB -- just say no. I can understand that. We don't want to get into a political debate, but let's just say we agree to disagree on comparing Hitler to George W. Bush. All I was saying is GWB is a touchy subject like Hitler -- not that he's commiting a holocaust (I hope that's not what you're implying), but let's not continue discussing that. -- I just needed to get that off my chest.

Also I think your mod is going to need some custom dialog to fill in that gap when you first meet new leaders. Have you thought about that yet?

Llotyhy
Nov 16, 2005, 05:50 AM
I didn't mean that... I meant both Hitler and GWB are touchy subjects, just that Hitler was in the past and GWB in the present and therefor not wise to include imo.

About the custom text, yes, I've thought about that... but I can imagine it's a great deal of work... dunno, will have to look into that.

Ad Hominem
Nov 16, 2005, 06:14 AM
Hey Llotyhy

I think you should give a Byzantine leader to the Greeks, the Byzantines are a part of Greek legacy just like Charlemagne and his Frankish empire are a part of French history - precisely the same arguments apply.

Despite that, Basil and Alexios are both Greek of birth and culture.

Wouldn't you like to add a modern leader as well? Venizelos is a very significant political leader of Greece. He doubled the size of the country (tripled it at a point, but then he lost an election and the country got royally screwed - but that's another discussion). He is contemporary of Kemal "Ataturk". I can provide you with a very good picture of the man, if you like to include him.

Tactician Zhao
Nov 16, 2005, 06:37 AM
Polk however, made a great contribution, and is also nice because he can be given the trait expansive... Also, it doesn't offend either one of the American political sides if I add him. ;)

Thank god someone else has the insight to see how great my boy Polk was :D

In 1844, the Democrats were split
The three nominees for the presidential candidate
Were Martin Van Buren, a former president and an abolitionist
James Buchanan, a moderate
Louis Cass, a general and expansionist
From Nashville came a dark horse riding up
He was James K. Polk, Napoleon of the Stump

Austere, severe, he held few people dear
His oratory filled his foes with fear
The factions soon agreed
He's just the man we need
To bring about victory
Fulfill our manifest destiny
And annex the land the Mexicans command
And when the votes were cast the winner was
Mister James K. Polk, Napoleon of the Stump

In four short years he met his every goal
He seized the whole southwest from Mexico
Made sure the tarriffs fell
And made the English sell the Oregon territory
He built an independent treasury
Having done all this he sought no second term
But precious few have mourned the passing of
Mister James K. Polk, our eleventh president
Young Hickory, Napoleon of the Stump

Llotyhy
Nov 16, 2005, 06:52 AM
Hey Llotyhy

I think you should give a Byzantine leader to the Greeks, the Byzantines are a part of Greek legacy just like Charlemagne and his Frankish empire are a part of French history - precisely the same arguments apply.

Despite that, Basil and Alexios are both Greek of birth and culture.

Wouldn't you like to add a modern leader as well? Venizelos is a very significant political leader of Greece. He doubled the size of the country (tripled it at a point, but then he lost an election and the country got royally screwed - but that's another discussion). He is contemporary of Kemal "Ataturk". I can provide you with a very good picture of the man, if you like to include him.

I'd rather add Venizelos than a Byzantine leader, cause I have a feeling they might be in an expansion again... however, this will be after the list of leaders I've posted a few posts up, so it will take a while.

Thank you for your thoughts on it though! :)

Jecrell
Nov 16, 2005, 07:02 AM
About the custom text, yes, I've thought about that... but I can imagine it's a great deal of work... dunno, will have to look into that.

It isn't too hard -- but if it would take time away from your project then it wouldn't be a high priority. If you'd like I could get to work on writing some custom dialog -- all I need are some minor specifications.

Like, do you want these things to be more concise and mature than the regular Civilization IV dialog? (Not "Would you like a salad? I made it myself" - Caesar kind). And, if the dialog is written -- how deep would you like the customization? I believe I can construct it so that each individual leader will have a large degree of various responses based on their individual characters.

It is something I'll be experimenting with in my Carthage mod as well.

Llotyhy
Nov 16, 2005, 07:09 AM
Would be so great if you would help me with that! :D

They don't have to be too serious, I like the humor-approach of Civilization in general, though the salads are a bit over the top... :p But sentences like 'All the cool civs have universal suffrage' are quite fun.

If we are going to do this, most importantly, all leaders should have an opening sentence... apart from that, the more the better, but I don't know how difficult it is to think up sentences to be said by Mali Kings for example...

So, would be great! :cool:

Nice that this little project is growing in size a lot. :D

niffweed17
Nov 16, 2005, 05:09 PM
Niffweed, for your civic list:

Have fun... :) I'll completely copy what you'll decide, so go ahead! :D Thanks in advance! :cool:

happy to oblige. :D

it should be noted that some of the following leaders have the same civic as those from their nation. i have varied them where there is almost any way to do so, but it will be noticed that many of the rulers have the same civics as their equivalents as included in the game.

some of the civics given here are more general, because i have tried to vary them. they may refer to policies of their leaders which may have not been perfectly accurate in terms of the way the policy was handled in the game and/or in history. nonetheless, they do show certain tendencies of having this characteristic.

Marcus Aurelius of Rome- slavery
Ogedei Khan of Mongol- serfdom
Franco of Spain- police state
Wu Zetian of China- organized religion
Thutmose III of Egypt- slavery
Themistocles of Greece- universal suffrage
Xerxes of Persia- bureacracy
Harun al-Rashid of Arabia- hereditary rule
Tupac Inca Yupanqui of Inca- organized religion
Ahuitzotl of Aztec- theocracy
Charlemagne of France- nationhood
Mansa Wali Keita of Mali- hereditary rule
Minamoto no Yoritomo of Japan- vassalage
Chandragupta of India- caste system

Version 1.2 (probably within two weeks)
Lenin of Russia- state property
Charles de Gaulle of France- nationhood
Ludwig II of Germany- nationhood
Augustus of Rome (i recommend the name be changed to octavian of rome- free market
Timur of Mongol - i recommend that this be removed and/or changed to india, since although timur/tamurlane claimed to be descended from genghis khan, it is generally believed that this claim is false. nonetheless, if you must include him, give him police state.
Kangxi of China- mercantilism
Toyotomi Hideyoshi of Japan- environmentalism
Samudragupta of India- caste system
Cleopatra of Egypt- slavery
William I of England- vassalage
Pelayo of Spain- representation
James K. Polk of America- mercantilism
Al-Mansur of Arabia- theocracy
Dionysios of Syracusae of Greece- police state

Llotyhy
Nov 16, 2005, 05:42 PM
Very very nice list! :) I will change Augustus into Octavian... but does anyone else have a good alternative for Timur, or shall I limit the Mongols to 3leaders, like Aztec, Inca and Mali?

niffweed17
Nov 16, 2005, 06:15 PM
i would say no. personally, i think that there are 7 or 8 aztec rulers who deserve to be here, as well as 4 or 5 inca leaders.

in actuality, i think that mongolia's inclusion in the game is somewhat dubious. there are many civs i could think of, and just look around the forum for anyone else's opinion, that could have gone in place of mongolia. (mali is a more reasonable choice despite being less noteworthy because it is one of only two african representatives)

anyway, since mongolia does exist, it might be reasonable to give them yet another leader at some point (such as guyuk khan), but there's no reason that it need be hurried to be included in the next edition.

Jecrell
Nov 16, 2005, 06:42 PM
I don't completely understand the reasoning of why Augustus should be changed to Octavian. While it is historically evident that there was a time he used that name -- Augustus Caesar is much easier to recognize and isn't his name used almost exactly like that during the end of game ranking?

I mean it would be like calling Tokugawa, Takechiyo --

Llotyhy
Nov 16, 2005, 07:11 PM
Problem with Aztec and Inca leaders is that after about three you get to the point where no one recognizes the leaders they can play with or against... With Mali this is impossible after the second, but I wanted every civ to have at least three...

On Augustus, was that his name as an emperor or was it more like a title?

niffweed17
Nov 16, 2005, 09:35 PM
indeed, the name of augustus was simply a title. his actual name was octavian.

nonetheless, i don't think it matters all that much.

Problem with Aztec and Inca leaders is that after about three you get to the point where no one recognizes the leaders they can play with or against...

with mali, and really the aztecs as well, i agree with you.

however, the inca had some notable rulers who i think you are omitting... and in my opinion the leaders that you've included are some of the less common ones.

i believe you had huayna capac, pachacuti, and tupac inca yupanqui. i think that, especially in place of yupanqui, viracocha, huascar and atahualpa could easily have been used.

Jecrell
Nov 16, 2005, 11:51 PM
indeed, the name of augustus was simply a title. his actual name was octavian.

nonetheless, i don't think it matters all that much.

It doesn't matter that much, but Augustus Caesar was the name he was known for at the time. He wasn't being called Octavion during Pax Romana -- so I don't really think it qualifies so much as a title as a name. Although it certainly can be defined as a title as much as a Japanese name change can be called a title.

The difference won't be life altering to call Augustus Caesar as Octavion -- I just personally feel Augustus is more suitable.

Llotyhy
Nov 17, 2005, 04:04 AM
indeed, the name of augustus was simply a title. his actual name was octavian.

nonetheless, i don't think it matters all that much.



with mali, and really the aztecs as well, i agree with you.

however, the inca had some notable rulers who i think you are omitting... and in my opinion the leaders that you've included are some of the less common ones.

i believe you had huayna capac, pachacuti, and tupac inca yupanqui. i think that, especially in place of yupanqui, viracocha, huascar and atahualpa could easily have been used.

I agree on Viracocha, but Huascar and Atahualpa made the empire the mess it was in which allowed the Spaniards to conquer it in the first place... I mean, waging a civil war and then being defeated by 120 soldiers or so doesn't seem all that impressive to me... ;)

Viracocha will be added one version or another though... maybe even in 1.2 instead of Timur, will think about that...

niffweed17
Nov 17, 2005, 03:42 PM
i know, they made a mess of the empire, and eventually led to its destruction. thats why they're famous.

just like montezuma II, who failed to see hernan cortes for who he really was. montezuma I and ahuizotl were two of the most capable emperors in aztec history, but the most famous is montezuma II for screwing up.

Llotyhy
Nov 17, 2005, 05:02 PM
That's why it's so woefully silly of Civ to always put Montezuma II in... ;)

occam
Nov 17, 2005, 06:31 PM
Hi there, great mod ... liked it the first time I used it.... but one MAJOR problem. :confused:

I can't load a saved game with this mod. I get a text error that indicates it is looking for a directory that starts with "mod" ... something like mod\C:\programfiles\firaxisblah....\mods\leader whenever it tries to load. Obviously, this path doesn't exist.

Please help, is Civ crazy, is your mod crazy, or am I crazy?

- Thanks,
Occam

JDexter
Nov 18, 2005, 04:06 AM
I, as a German, find it pretty disgusting that you want to put Hitler in a game. Not much to explain this, as it is a pretty obvious reason one would think.

Rondini
Nov 18, 2005, 04:42 AM
It doesn't matter that much, but Augustus Caesar was the name he was known for at the time. He wasn't being called Octavion during Pax Romana -- so I don't really think it qualifies so much as a title as a name. Although it certainly can be defined as a title as much as a Japanese name change can be called a title.

The difference won't be life altering to call Augustus Caesar as Octavion -- I just personally feel Augustus is more suitable.

Jecrell is right.

Proof being that if you called Augustus by the name of Octavion after he accepted the name Augustus he'd probably punch you in the face much like Buzz Aldren did to this guy. http://videos.humpingfrog.com/12066/2005/11/buzz-aldrin-tries-to-knock-out-guy-on-live-tv.html

Its just disrespectful.

Jecrell
Nov 18, 2005, 05:10 AM
Jecrell is right.

Proof being that if you called Augustus by the name of Octavion after he accepted the name Augustus he'd probably punch you in the face much like Buzz Aldren did to this guy. http://videos.humpingfrog.com/12066/2005/11/buzz-aldrin-tries-to-knock-out-guy-on-live-tv.html

Its just disrespectful.
He had it coming~

But I think Augustus would do more than punch.

I, as a German, find it pretty disgusting that you want to put Hitler in a game. Not much to explain this, as it is a pretty obvious reason one would think.

Personally, I am so glad that Llotyhy took the time, patience, and hard work to assemble this modification as quickly and efficiently as he did. Now, it may abosolutely drive you to the brink of madness thinking on "why" Hitler was included, but I think you should note that this is a modification created by a single person, and, naturally, it would carry over that person's ideas for important leaders that need to be added to the game. It would be harsh of you to ask the publicly released modification be modified over such a request in his eyes I imagine.

Of course, since there is some modability to this -- you can simply remove Hitler from your game files. If you'd like me to help out with that, I'd be glad to help. Even though, personally, I feel Hitler fits in as much as Genghis Kahn and Mao Zedong -- we can't have all the most wonderful peaceful lovable characters only in the game, I feel. But I will help you, because I respect your opinion.

Llotyhy
Nov 18, 2005, 07:50 AM
I think everyone has their opinions on which leaders were sweet and peaceful and which leaders were ruthless dictators who smashed children's heads against the walls etc. but I think that's kinda besides the point.

The intention of this mod is to include those leaders in the game that have had a profound importance in world history. Of course, Hitler wasn't the nicest guy, but as a leader and important historical figure, he deserves to be in the game.

Llotyhy
Nov 18, 2005, 07:52 AM
Hi there, great mod ... liked it the first time I used it.... but one MAJOR problem. :confused:

I can't load a saved game with this mod. I get a text error that indicates it is looking for a directory that starts with "mod" ... something like mod\C:\programfiles\firaxisblah....\mods\leader whenever it tries to load. Obviously, this path doesn't exist.

Please help, is Civ crazy, is your mod crazy, or am I crazy?

- Thanks,
Occam

I've never had this problem... all my savegames load pretty normal. Anyone else?

Uty
Nov 18, 2005, 10:41 AM
Personally, I'm glad Hitler would be in the game. It would be fun to play *against* the bastard, y'know?

(And yes my people were holocaust victems)

rooter
Nov 18, 2005, 07:53 PM
When I download the mod, it is only 97k and I get an "unexpected end of archive" error.

Llotyhy
Nov 18, 2005, 10:34 PM
I'd say try it again, cause I just redownloaded it to test and it's 2.92 mb like it's supposed to be.

I'm finally done with all the uni assignments I had the past week, so from tomorrow on I'll start working on versio n 1.1 and 1.2... :)

JDexter
Nov 19, 2005, 05:45 PM
@occam:
You have to put the mod in the CIV folder, NOT the ..\My Games\Custom Assets\Mods folder!

Regarding Hitler:
Of course it's not my mod, I don't even play it because I favor the slower tech & balance one, but you cannot compare him to other dictators. Try watching a movie about a KZ (concentration camp) where they killed, or rather slaughtered, so many million people. Sure, there were similar things in history, but never on such a huge scale. I'd never play him and most Germans would be really upset if they saw another German play him (even in a game), because of Neo-nazis around the globe still being so stupid and naive. Of course it's your choice - I'd certainly enjoy to smash his empire, maybe I'll download this after all... ;)

Jecrell
Nov 20, 2005, 06:26 PM
@occam:
You have to put the mod in the CIV folder, NOT the ..\My Games\Custom Assets\Mods folder!

Regarding Hitler:
Of course it's not my mod, I don't even play it because I favor the slower tech & balance one, but you cannot compare him to other dictators. Try watching a movie about a KZ (concentration camp) where they killed, or rather slaughtered, so many million people. Sure, there were similar things in history, but never on such a huge scale. I'd never play him and most Germans would be really upset if they saw another German play him (even in a game), because of Neo-nazis around the globe still being so stupid and naive. Of course it's your choice - I'd certainly enjoy to smash his empire, maybe I'll download this after all... ;)

Of course I can argue this into the ground, but I'd rather not.
I'm glad you're going to at least download the mod. This is, perhaps, my favorite mod released so far.

And I'm hoping for an update in the near future. :)

Llotyhy
Nov 20, 2005, 06:32 PM
Niffweed, could you finish the civic list please? :cool:

The only ones that need to be done are the ones in the original version of this mod...

Churchill, Hitler, Stalin, Lincoln, Philip II, Ramesses II, Darius, Sundiata Keita, Meiji, Itzcoatl, Pachacuti, Pericles, Trajan, Muhammad

Thanks in advance! :D

BTW: I'm almost done... I'm doing 1.1 and 1.2 in one... so in a few days we'll have 27 additional leaders. :D

Llotyhy
Nov 20, 2005, 06:48 PM
Of course I can argue this into the ground, but I'd rather not.
I'm glad you're going to at least download the mod. This is, perhaps, my favorite mod released so far.

And I'm hoping for an update in the near future. :)

I appreciate this a *LOT* :blush:

niffweed17
Nov 20, 2005, 09:20 PM
no problem. the same applies to the following as to the other civics assigned: i'm trying to balance them out, so some of them may not fit perfectly, but all do reflect one aspect or another of the leader's character or culture.

churchill- police state.
hitler- interesting. theocracy, not because nazi germany was theocratic, but because the traits work very well concerning the holocaust historically.
stalin- state property
lincoln- emancipation
philip II- nationhood
ramsses II- organized religion
darius- free market
sundiata- free religion
meiji- pacifism
itzcoatl- caste system
pachacuti- vassalage
pericles- universal suffrage
trajan- beauracracy
muhammad- organized religion

occam
Nov 21, 2005, 03:07 PM
Thank you JDexter, you are absolutely right. :goodjob:

- O

Jay Elias
Nov 22, 2005, 11:19 AM
Just wanted to pop my head in to say 'thanks'.

This is the only mod I've enjoyed so far for Civ4, and one I've really enjoyed. One thing that has bothered me a great deal so far is being forced to use/not use certain civs due to the leader options. This opens up a lot more civs for me to play and enjoy without being forced to use traits I'm not interested in. Thanks again.

Llotyhy
Nov 22, 2005, 02:43 PM
Thanks a lot! :)

Wait until the next version (with 28 additional leaders) comes out tomorrow, you're gonna love that! :)

I guess, what you like about this mod is what made me do it in the first place... I don't really like those mods that change gameplay and all... that's why there won't be industrious/philosophical leaders in the 1.2 version.

Only mods I love so far are my own (hehe ;), no mine needs a lot of improvement), CivArmy s. 1994's additional civs are absolutely great... I'm even starting to think about making a mod with all his extra civs, my own leaders mod and put it all together, just for myself... maybe add some more leaders on his Civs... ;) And, the lioness-mod, because that struck me as silly the first time I played Civ IV... but apart from that, nah... don't really like it.

niffweed17
Nov 22, 2005, 02:53 PM
CivArmy s. 1994's additional civs are absolutely great... I'm even starting to think about making a mod with all his extra civs, my own leaders mod and put it all together, just for myself... maybe add some more leaders on his Civs... ;)


hey, why on earth not?

i've attempted to combine both of the two mods partially with little success. your mod and civarmy's are the only ones i actually use... so making a mod with the two of them could be a very good idea. maybe he could contribute some animated leaderheads to your cause too...

Llotyhy
Nov 23, 2005, 06:50 AM
1.2 almost ready... :)

Llotyhy
Nov 23, 2005, 07:12 AM
It's online! :D:D:D

Llotyhy
Nov 23, 2005, 07:16 AM
Here the overview...

hemeth86
Nov 24, 2005, 03:23 PM
its not actually an error, but when I play this mod, the textures of the worker improvement buttons seem to be very bad.

Llotyhy
Nov 24, 2005, 04:11 PM
With the last version, none of the button-graphic-files is touched... you might be playing an older version. Download the last one, please.

If that doesn't work, I don't have a clue. :(

hemeth86
Nov 25, 2005, 07:06 AM
This has been discused in a different thread, but I think it should also be moved here. I think that you have to add Mussolini to Rome- it might not be accurate, but the Romans are basicaly the same people as the Italians. Plus, I would really like to use all the great leaders of the largest nations, and leaving the man who united Italy to what it used to be in the days of the Roman empire, isnt right. He was left out of the Italy mod because he was a dictator, but seeing that Hitler and Stalin are in this mod, dictators arent something you leave out

purplexus
Nov 25, 2005, 11:21 AM
I really like the Leaderheads CivArmy 1994 does and would love to see the 2 of you combine efforts... Perhaps Get in touch with him and see about getting some more Art for this Mod. I like the Balancing that niffweed17 does for the Civilizations too. The 3 of you's could really make a great package in one.

Job Almost done... But you have a Duty to us all to make it all fit into our game and make it look like the orginal Leaderheads. Meaning you also need the leaders dialogue too. PLEASE! FOR THE LOVE CIV4

Tanks!

NOW GO! Do this work I have commanded of you. My Civilization is Waiting on your deed.

Llotyhy
Nov 25, 2005, 12:25 PM
I love CivArmy's leaderheads as well... they're great, sadly, I don't have the abilities to make anything like that. :p

Niffweed's balancing has been put into the mod, and Jecrell was planning to make leaders' dialogue for the new leaders.

However, I think I want to play the game for a week or so first... then I'll think about modding more. ;)

Llotyhy
Nov 25, 2005, 12:25 PM
Double post, sorry.

Supreme Shogun
Nov 25, 2005, 09:57 PM
I just read the other thread in modern italy regarding Mussolini. Aye its not a popular decision debate going back and forth. The argument is valid, if Hitler and Stalin can make it in why not Mussolini ?


Regarding agressiveness... I thought myself the civ trait was being used a tad more often than any other. I do agree with your comment about it.
However, you think you can still try to balance the traits anyhoo? What I think you may consider instead would be agressiveness as a rating on how fierce a warmonger they were (kinda like Civ 3 style term ) The real warmongers would deserve agressive for the promotions, were as some of the borderlines would definitely declare war but have other civ trait.

What do you think ?

Llotyhy
Nov 26, 2005, 06:35 AM
Mussolini is an Italian leader, whereas I don't consider the Roman empire to be strictly Italian, more like Mediterranean... I don't really like to put him in a Roman civilization, same as Byzantines in the Greek civ or Indian chiefs in the American civ... that's just not right in my opinion.

About the aggressiveness, that's not true anymore... none of the trait combinations is in more than 3 times, and I think aggressive hasn't been used as often as expansive for example, don't know exactly though, *but* as you said... I edited all the war-stats of the leaders... Hitler is unlikely ever to sign a peace treaty with you and Caesar Augustus prefers Pax above all things.

Wyz_sub10
Nov 26, 2005, 04:03 PM
The argument is valid, if Hitler and Stalin can make it in why not Mussolini

My counter-argument (in addition to the Roman/Italian thing) would be that Mussolini isn't excluded because he was a fascist. He's excluded because he was a **** leader.

If you want a modern Italian leader take Victor Emmanuel II or Umberto II. Not Mussolini. Not only did he not "make the trains run on time", but he set Italy back 30 years in every possible way.

Jecrell
Nov 28, 2005, 05:54 PM
Oh my -- I wasn't aware this was updated. Time flies.
Anyway, at least that Hitler portrait I submitted was an option. Thanks for including him, and Lincoln looks fantastic as always. :)

Supreme Shogun
Nov 29, 2005, 01:09 PM
Re: Agressiveness. You're right, its balanced now :)

Re: Mussolini. Point taken.

Re: ideas on American leaders, may I present my favorite - Ronald Reagan. This president was the one to be credited for taking down the "EVIL EMPIRE" USSR. "Mr. Gorbachev, Tear Down That Wall! " has got to be my favorite sound byte. The wall was later torn down under George Bush Sr. presidency. Reagan was the first to apply the pressure. Plus, don't forget we have a whole branch of economics, called Reaganomics. SDI/Star Wars credit Ronald Wilson Reagan. I know this is short summary of the high points of his presidency, I feel he was truly a great man and should be regarded as one of our great presidents. I think if you compare him to other recent presidents they all pale in comparison.

Worth a shot, thanks for hearing me out.

hemeth86
Nov 30, 2005, 09:38 AM
Well if you dont put mussolini then at least put Garibaldi.

Mussolini did not put Italy 30 years back- in fact, that is exactly like saying that Hitler and Stalin put their countries back. Without Mussolini, there would be no Italy, and if the Axis would have won WWII he would be remembered much better.
I dont like Mussolini, nor do I like Hitler or Stalin, in fact I think they all deserve to die much more painful deaths than they did, but they are the leaders that brought the world to what it is today.

Tactician Zhao
Nov 30, 2005, 01:03 PM
Well if you dont put mussolini then at least put Garibaldi.

Mussolini did not put Italy 30 years back- in fact, that is exactly like saying that Hitler and Stalin put their countries back. Without Mussolini, there would be no Italy, and if the Axis would have won WWII he would be remembered much better.
I dont like Mussolini, nor do I like Hitler or Stalin, in fact I think they all deserve to die much more painful deaths than they did, but they are the leaders that brought the world to what it is today.

I think the problem is not that Mussolini is deemed unworthy (for Hitler is present), but that there is no Italy in the game

Llotyhy
Nov 30, 2005, 07:43 PM
Don't get me wrong... if I would have to put one Italian leader in, it would be Musollini right away, if only for his colourful character... but I don't have an Italian civilization in my game, only a Roman one, so I can't do that.

Wyz_sub10
Dec 05, 2005, 02:32 PM
Mussolini did not put Italy 30 years back- in fact, that is exactly like saying that Hitler and Stalin put their countries back. Without Mussolini, there would be no Italy, and if the Axis would have won WWII he would be remembered much better.
I dont like Mussolini, nor do I like Hitler or Stalin, in fact I think they all deserve to die much more painful deaths than they did, but they are the leaders that brought the world to what it is today.

Hitler did put his country back 30 years. What do you think post-WWII Germany was like? Stalin didn't have the same result because of what happened after the War.

But Mussolini fared worse than either of these men because Italy didn't reap the benefits than many Germans did just prior to WWII. Instead, Italy was left with most of the 'cons' with none of the 'pros' of the situation.

Of course, this is a conversation better had elsewhere, so I'll leave it at that and extend another thanks to Llotyhy for his work on this.

alinurdengizich
Dec 13, 2005, 10:01 AM
that looks great thank a lot!

anjf
Dec 15, 2005, 01:51 PM
Hitler did put his country back 30 years. What do you think post-WWII Germany was like? Stalin didn't have the same result because of what happened after the War.

But Mussolini fared worse than either of these men because Italy didn't reap the benefits than many Germans did just prior to WWII. Instead, Italy was left with most of the 'cons' with none of the 'pros' of the situation.

Of course, this is a conversation better had elsewhere, so I'll leave it at that and extend another thanks to Llotyhy for his work on this.

Hitler didn't put his country back 30 years. When WOII strated Germany had the most advanced tank and even normal army in Europe if not the world in the case of tanks. During the nazi-regiem technologie was very important. I am absolutie not pro-nazi's but they did arrange there technologie well, they had the first rockets, most advanced tanks( who would have won the war if Hitler hadn't used them before they where really ready) I don't call that taking your country back. Also in the years 33-38 life in Germany was as a non-nazi-enemie pritty good. The economie was growing most people could affort a bit luxerie etc. of coursed that change in the war but thats one of the side effects of war.

So Hitler might be a foulish, crazy freek but he did not let his country back

Again I am not a neo-nazi nor a fasist. I just tell the facts

Impaler[WrG]
Dec 15, 2005, 06:53 PM
I see that your hesitent to include very resent leaders in your Mod but I think that a balanced aproatch for leaders who are no longer living and who are already going down in history as extremly influential.

Thus I propose a balanced bi-partisan addition to the American leader list
Jhon F Kennedy && Ronald Reagan

I'll leave it to everyone else to decide the atributes

Now on another note, with such a plethora of leaders it would be wise to start expanding the atribute lists, several people have been working on new leader abilites like SeaFaring and a convertion of Industrius. With a longer list each leader can be more Unique and fun to play. I will see what I can come up with myself and sugjest ware to insert the new abilites.

Impaler[WrG]
Dec 15, 2005, 08:02 PM
I wiped up a Scientific Trait that can give a % bost to science output (still working on making it bost build times for various buildings such as Library, Observatory). Any idea as to how much of a bonus is apropriate? I think 20% at most.

Will be posting this Trait on main page soon, just want to get it polished up, start deciding which leaders you want to be Scientific.

Dusty4prez
Dec 15, 2005, 10:21 PM
Can you tell me how to combine this with Superciv?

Supreme Shogun
Dec 16, 2005, 10:19 PM
Dunno.. but I just had a thought about taking "Leaders", "Superciv", and "CivArmy Redux" mods all into one..

I think what I love so much about this mod is really the choices and add-ons for leaders. Again, many thanks.

nutz4dos
Dec 26, 2005, 05:36 PM
Some possible Roman leaders:
Lucius Junius Brutus
Either or both of the Grachi brothers
Vespasian
Constantine

I think all of these deserve being considered for leaders of Rome. By the same token, I think Nicias should be included for the Greeks.
I was about to mention Agamemnon and Romulus, but somehow it seemed inappropriate to reach into mythology.

Antiochus
Dec 27, 2005, 10:15 PM
If i start a new game with this mod loaded, will it overwrite the changes in the patch (ie will it just be the unpatched game with the new leaders included), or does it include the latest patch changes?

Supreme Shogun
Jan 06, 2006, 04:32 PM
I love this mod a lot. Is it final or will there be another version ?

HourlyDaily
Jan 06, 2006, 08:58 PM
Hard to tell if Llohty will keep this one going. Might be an idea for someone else to compile the latest ones.

I've only collected a few extra and I don't spend a lot of time on this site so I wouldn't do it myself.

Then again - with the SDK coming out, who knows what will happen with the new leaders/civs. Apart from adding new units and generally becoming more sophisticated of course.

gremlins0
Jan 07, 2006, 08:23 AM
I cant get the link to work. Can you tell me if the file is still there or if not where else I can get it. Thank you.

I play 4 fun
Jan 13, 2006, 04:49 PM
I can't get the link to work either. Also, can your latest version work with the new civ patch?

Caesium
Jan 14, 2006, 05:11 PM
Download HERE (http://www.ihud.com/file.php?file=1132780836/Leaders.zip)



I just wanted to report that the link is broken

BenTucker
Jan 14, 2006, 10:45 PM
I've got a couple of requests...


...could you put Maragaret Thatcher in, as Organized/Economic (or whatever the Economic-related trait is called)?

...and, before becoming a Communist sympathizer, Stalin was in a monastery...maybe taking out the Aggresive trait, and replacing it with Spiritual? Just a suggestion.

Dusty4prez
Jan 15, 2006, 01:28 PM
Here is one I think it should work.

http://files.filefront.com/Leadersrar/;4618465;;/fileinfo.html

Supreme Shogun
Jan 17, 2006, 12:26 AM
Yes it works fine with the latest patch (1.52)

20past4
Jan 17, 2006, 07:06 PM
Can't figure out how to install this mod. I need some step by step instructions if someone could help.

running Windows 2000/PE

jthm0138
Jan 27, 2006, 09:43 AM
I downloaded this file from the last link posted, and after installing my game gives me these errors...



Failed Loading XML file XML\Civilizations/CIV4LeaderHeadInfos.xml. [.\FXml.cpp:133] Error parsing XML File -
File: XML\Civilizations/CIV4LeaderHeadInfos.xml
Reason: End tad 'LeaderHeadInfos' does not match the start tag 'LeaderHeadInfo'.

Line: 74108, 4
Source: </CivilizationInfos>

LoadXML call failed for Civilizations/CIV4LeaderHeadInfos.xml.
Current XML file is: GameInfo/CIV4CivicInfos/xml


Failed Loading XML file XML\Civilizations/CIV4CivilizationInfos.xml. [.\FXml.cpp:133] Error parsing XML File -
File: XML\Civilizations/CIV4CivilizationInfos.xml
Reason: End tad 'CivilizationInfos' does not match the start tag 'CivilizationInfo'.

Line: 10401, 4
Source: </CivilizationInfos>


LoadXML call failed for Civilizations/CIV4CivilizatinInfos.xml.
Current XML file is: Units/CIV4UnitInfos.xml


Tag: CIVILIZATION_BARBARIAN in Info class was incorrect
Current XML file is: Interface/CIV4WorldPickerInfos.xml


Tag: LEADER_BARBARIAN in Info class was incorrect
Current XML file is: Interface/CIV4WorldPickerInfos.xml




After ok'ing through all these errors it will load the game, but the Civolpia displays no information, and I am unable to select a civilization to play with, what do I do now?>

Wyz_sub10
Jan 27, 2006, 11:37 AM
Either you're not patched to 1.52 or the version you're using isn't compatible for 1.52.

jthm0138
Jan 27, 2006, 11:45 AM
Either you're not patched to 1.52 or the version you're using isn't compatible for 1.52.


I am patched to 1.52, and the version I am usieng is the one posted by Dusty4prez a few posts back.

Here is one I think it should work.

http://files.filefront.com/Leadersra.../fileinfo.html

So I am not sure if it is 1.52 compatibile or not, but the link on the first post is broken, and I can find no other place to download this mod.

Supreme Shogun
Jan 28, 2006, 07:18 PM
I have zipped up my leaders folder and hosted it on a free web space, its my first time doing it. Well hope this helps, if not at least I tried for you.

link: http://www.mysharefile.com/v/2242024/Copy_of_Leaders.rar.html

Supreme Shogun
Jan 28, 2006, 07:34 PM
Also I have begun to kick around ideas for adding 1-2 more leaders for each civ. I'll share what I've come up with so far and let it be known I was considering another version.

Leaders:
Ronald Reagan - America
Margaret Thatcher - England
Charles Martel - France
Henry V - England
Helmut Kohl - Germany
Mikhail Gorbachev - Russia

so if you have suggestions/comments feel free to post here or pm me.
My goal as I stated above, is for each civ to have at least 1 leader, 2 would be nice.. Then I'll go ahead and work on it. I'm still on the research part.

jthm0138
Jan 29, 2006, 08:18 AM
downloaded and working perfectly thank you.

And as far as a new version adding leaders to every civ, I think it is a great idea and would love to with that.

Just as a jumping board idea my start would be:
America

King Gindibu - Arabian
King Solomon - Arabian (technicaly Isreal but...)
King Tut - Egypt
King Aurthor - England


Wow... Im gonna have to think about this, it isnt as easy as I thought it would be.

Supreme Shogun
Jan 31, 2006, 03:29 PM
Wow... Im gonna have to think about this, it isnt as easy as I thought it would be

Ditto. That's why my list was short so far. I'll have to do more research.

simon7044
Feb 03, 2006, 03:41 AM
Hi there,

I noticed that in the word doc it says that Meiji (Japan) is Philosophical/Industrious however the leader is actually coded to be Industrious/Organised.

I noticed this one right away because I was looking specifically for this combo (Philosophical/Industrious).

Think it's kinda weird how this combo has not been done yet. I mean better chance at getting leaders, faster wonder building and fast build of uni's sounds all good to me :)

Managed to get a shot at the combo by modding your mod though

Kushan
Feb 03, 2006, 04:08 AM
Cant seem to download your mod? Broken Link?

Kushan

wazward
Feb 03, 2006, 06:26 AM
artur for england is also mythological try Boudica

a spot of Bush bashing would be great fun.

Nero for rome think of all the cool diplomacy texts

king tut is a bad choice for egypt as he was a less than important ruler try akhenaten with the spirtitual creative or philosophical trait all fitting well.

how about cortez for spain i know he wasnt a leader but it would be fun to reverse history and have cortez begging for mercy and peace just b4 you rip his warm heart out wit your aztec warriors.

these are ones of the top of my head ill try and sit down and come up with a proper list but note i have no modding experiance and am pretty much computer illetirate so i cant help with the actual modding

The Q-Meister
Feb 03, 2006, 06:50 AM
Would like to see:

Augustus for Rome
Lenin for Russia
(I *think* I saw Philip II for Spain, but if not please add him)

Thanks and great mod! :)

Supreme Shogun
Feb 07, 2006, 04:20 PM
Phillip II is in already. As is Lenin.

As for Augustus, that is not the same as Ceasar Augustus? Which is already in.

Nero - Interesting. I'll keep him in mind. Was thinking about Ivan the terrible for Russia's 2nd leader - same reason as Nero.

Re: George Bush and Tony Blair. I don't want to get political nor have this thread turn into a discussion about current politics, love them or hate them I don't want to include them.

Supreme Shogun
Feb 07, 2006, 04:28 PM
Ideas.

If you have some or want to help - still have to figure out 1-2 leaders for:

Arabs, Aztecs, Chinese, Egypt, Greeks, Incas, Indias, Japan, Mali, Mongols, Persia

How I was approaching leader choices, I was *trying* to go for 1 ancient to pre-modern leader and the other modern or circa 1980s. For China the best ruler in ancient times was already picked by Firaxis (our buddy Qin ) will keep reading this chinese history book for more ideas... stay tuned. May look at the Han dynasty.

Supreme Shogun
Feb 07, 2006, 05:37 PM
Japan. I've decided upon Hirohito. It is major good fortune his reign was so long. Since Firaxis went to choose a shogun, I thought I would too. I will choose Tokugawa Yoshimune. Noted by wikipedia as second of the greatest shoguns only compared to its founder Tokugawa Ieyasu.

will continue the history lessons :) will post more after more research

wazward
Feb 09, 2006, 02:54 AM
An obvious choice for Egypt would be Khufu with the industrious trait (he did build the great pyramid apparantly) Another option would be Menes who is widely regarded as the first Pharoah to unite upper and lower Egypt. Akhenaten who i mentioned earlier would be my choice as he is possibly the most interesting of all pharoahs and also possibly the father of tut and husband to the most beautiful of all women nefertiti. Akhenaten founded his own monotheistic religous cult and moved to a desert oasis called Amarna possibly the first ever monothiest. Egypt reached a pinnacle in art under his rule and was the only pharoah to ever have himself drawn in family situations. His statue housed at the louvre would make a ultra-cool leaderhead too.

wazward
Feb 09, 2006, 03:06 AM
Gamal Abdel Nasser was avery popular aristcratic leader within egypt in the last century. his foreign policy was questionable in that it put egypt in unwinnable wars but he was very popular in egypt and the arab world. Couldn't do much better if you wanted a modern leader for egypt but my own personal view is that Egypt was at its peak in ancient times and so therefore should have only ancient leaders but who am i to argue i cant mod for **** and your doing a kickarse job. *edit. oops sorry for my language

wazward
Feb 09, 2006, 03:15 AM
How about Gondaphares for persia maybe not the greatest king but a quite awesome name. feel free to pm me if you need any specific help bearing in mind i am nearly computer illeterate

Supreme Shogun
Feb 12, 2006, 09:29 PM
Thanks for the ideas. Will definitely use them for Egypt and Persia.

I'm hitting a hard point when it comes to civis like Aztecs. They didn't make it into the modern era as a nation... So um, I was thinking since Monty was really Montezuma II. I may do Montezuma I as a leader. I'm trying not to play favorites but even wikipedia doesn't say much. And using a Mexican president would be wrong to them as a civ. soo...

Also up the same tree with mongols. lol. Will keep on it this week.

wazward
Feb 14, 2006, 09:58 AM
I cant remember who is already in off the top of my head for aztecs but you might consider Acamapichtli as he was the first Aztec leader. Itzcoaltl if you do your research you will find he was one of the most important aztec leaders founded the triple alliance and also known as the Obsidian serpent (great name) Ahuitzotl (water beast) fierce warrior sacrificied between 20 and 80 thousand people depending on sources.

wazward
Feb 14, 2006, 10:03 AM
Ogedei and Mongka khan were the immediate inheritors of the mongol kingdom after genghis and sit between Genghis and Kublai. Both expanded the Genghis kingdom to at least a small extent. I cant provide you with more than names as my knowledge of mongol history apart from a few names is limited you better check the spellings too.

wazward
Feb 14, 2006, 10:52 AM
I dont know if you have settled on another english leader but id like to put in my two pennies worth. I feel there is a good mix with churchill 1900's victoria 1800's and Lizzie 1600's so i feel we need an early leader to balance these now we should avoid myth and therefore artur and other pendragons should be discounted as historical facts are sadly lacking from this era (its not called the dark ages for nothing) So we have to go back further and therfore my choice would be Boudeica, who was a tribal leader who thought back huge numbers of roman legions in battles around London with superior chariot tactics which the romans couldn't handle because the chariot at that point was seen as obselite and the romans were not used to fighting against it. I apologise for my english spelling im trying my best. Can you post a list of your plans for the latest update ty for all your work im sorry i cant actually help with the modding and instead live through your modding skills

col1962
Feb 14, 2006, 01:21 PM
Link doesn't appear to be working :(

Regards Colin

Minoan
Feb 14, 2006, 05:56 PM
I haven't downloaded this yet, I can't at the moment.

But I can comment on Persia.

I noticed you have Xerxes, I must say, he was not a good leader.
First of: Despite being an incompetenat general, he led an attack against Greece, and as a result, lost territory in Asia Minor
2nd: At the end of his reign, he spent a lot of money on projects that didn't help the Empire, and left an empty tresuary. Of course, the Persian Economy recovered, but he put his sucesser, Artaxerxes, at a severe disadvantage, which brough the decline of Persia.

An idea would be, to include leaders from other Persian dynastys.

I have 2 leaders in mind.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapor_I
Sapor the First: (240 ad-272)
He led sucessful campains against Rome, and came close to restoring the massive Empire of Darius and Cyrus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbas_I_of_Safavid
Abbas the Great: (1585 AD- 1628)
He was a leaer of Persia under the Sophi dynasty. Though it was an Islamic Empire at that time, Persia still retained some of its culture. With an army reformed by Sir Robert Shirley, he defeated the Ottamans and retook Baghdad

Supreme Shogun
Feb 15, 2006, 01:11 AM
Thanks Wazward, again. Itzcoatl and Ahuitzol already in. However Acampichtli may be the one I need to add.

Ogedi already added, but Mongka would be fair game.

English rulers already decided on Margaret Thatcher and Henry V.

For Minoan, My predecessor put in Xerxes, which I also thought wasnt so bad. (Since Firaxis saw fit to use him in a previous Civ version)
However, I'll take your picks.

Good work, we're narrowing the field down. Once we get them all (I'm keeping track) will release a list. Then will need to assign attributes. UU is going to remain the same/unchanged. So basically this will add more faces and choices to the existing Civs (like the original leaders mod did)

wazward
Feb 15, 2006, 06:18 AM
Give me an idea about what leaders you require and i will turn my brain loose on the problem

mtabacco
Feb 16, 2006, 05:40 PM
I cant seem to download it either.

ACEofHeart
Feb 16, 2006, 07:47 PM
Does anyone have the file ???:confused:

Llotyhy
Feb 17, 2006, 10:25 PM
Since I've received about 20 emails the last few weeks I've decided to go into my computer-files and find the files... I'll give you the last thing I made. The leaders-mod incorporated into my improved version of CivArmys first civ-compilation mod... I can't give you the leaders mod alone, since I simply don't have the file.

I'm not going to mod this anymore or something else... so if you need something changed, ask someone else. :)

If there's a problem with a link again, email me.

http://www.ihud.com/file.php?file=180206/1140236566/Leaders.zip

Greetings.

Malignant
Feb 21, 2006, 11:23 AM
cant find another place to host it? getting 2kb/s.. 2 hrs to go

salty mud
Feb 23, 2006, 10:17 AM
Looks Good! :) Downloading now.:scan:

EDIT - Damn, link broke! Any other link please?

Llotyhy
Feb 23, 2006, 06:59 PM
Bloody upload pages... let's try another one. ;)

http://z13.zupload.com/download.php?file=getfile&filepath=28594

bitterguy
Feb 27, 2006, 03:08 PM
i've skimmed the thread and didn't see his name mentioned so i thought i'd throw it out there:

theodore roosevelt.

if you're looking for another american leader i can't think of a better or more interesting choice. polk? please, most americans don't even know he was a president. teddy is on mount rushmore for pete's sake. walk softly and carry a big stick. the panama canal. the bull moose party. the reason stuffed animals are called teddy bears is that the first one was made for him. imo there isn't a more interesting person of the 43 presidents.

Supreme Shogun
Mar 06, 2006, 04:42 PM
Heh I wasn't looking for another American leader. I was looking for
Aztec Inca and Mali. Thinking of another Arabian leader and not looking to Saudi Arabia.. Same with Aztec and Mexico. I not sure I wanted to cross that line.
I am sure now I won't be producing another version due to me not getting the leaders I said I would.. It's not a very "fair" update is it If I only added some to certain civs and some were left out. I also have to tip hat to Lytothy for making such a fine mod in the first place. It's hard to top it, this was and is one of my favorites.

gianluca790
Mar 26, 2006, 10:27 AM
What about Thutmose III for Egypt? He beat the Hittites and the Philistines, as well as getting the Semites and others, such as the Hittites, under control so that they would not menace Egypt. He is the one who we associate with Armageddon. He trounced an alliance of Semitic peoples at the Battle of Megiddo, at great cost to his own army, setting up Palestine as a vassal state of Egypt, enforcing enlightened rule and tribute on the people of the region for a great many years.

Kenani
Mar 28, 2006, 05:26 PM
When I clicked the link "Your download is ready", it just said "404:Not found"!!!!!!
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Mr.Earl
Mar 28, 2006, 05:55 PM
i an not muslem, but having Muhhamad as a leader head is inappropriate acording to their custom. In fact it is a grave sin depicting him. You put Muhhamad in here?! Didn't you hear about the Denmark newspaper comics?

Kenani
Mar 29, 2006, 09:30 AM
You put Muhhamad in here?! Didn't you hear about the Denmark newspaper comics?

You should expect mass protests and global outrage from Muslims. I don'tmind, I'm Jewish.

Kenani
Mar 29, 2006, 06:00 PM
When I clicked the link "Your download is ready", it just said "404:Not found"!!!!!!
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Note the above. Help!

dinamo_18
Mar 29, 2006, 11:13 PM
You put Muhhamad in here?! Didn't you hear about the Denmark newspaper comics?
That cartoon was funny. It showed how civilized the Arabs really are. I think it had quoted Muhammed as saying "its hard to be loved by stupid people".:lol: :lol: :lol:

nctrog
May 25, 2006, 12:20 PM
verry nice, dled and played, i really like that hitlers in here, and the people that freaked over muhammad need to understand that any depiction of him is forbiden yes but its just a game, great work.

elderotter
Jun 01, 2006, 10:04 AM
i an not muslem, but having Muhhamad as a leader head is inappropriate acording to their custom. In fact it is a grave sin depicting him.
It is a grave sin for Muslims to depict him. If you are offended don't use it. Those of us not Islamic have the right to use it if we see fit. Please don't bring religious arguments here, it is not the proper forum. I, as a pagan, don't like seeing depictions of ugly black-magic using witches - as it defames Wicca, I don't expect anyone to stop just because it offends me. When Islam rules the world then you can discuss what is proper about the depiction of their Prophet.

Wyz_sub10
Jun 01, 2006, 10:21 AM
It is a grave sin for Muslims to depict him.

I thought it was only a grave sin to depict him in Mosques (as with any human or animal), although I know that now there is a prohibition against it. Historically there are plenty of depitctions of Mohammed in Islamic literature and art. Interestingly, some older pieces have been edited to hide his face.

Anyway, yes, this is OT, but I've seen this mentioned a few times and it's kind of interesting. As an atheist, I cannot get too worked up about religious offences, but I still find it interesting nonetheless.

elderotter
Jun 01, 2006, 12:22 PM
I thought it was only a grave sin to depict him in Mosques (as with any human or animal)

Hey Wyz, you are probably right...my point was that as a non Muslim they cannot dictate what I do. I think it is very arrogant of them to try.

Wyz_sub10
Jun 01, 2006, 02:25 PM
Hey Wyz, you are probably right...my point was that as a non Muslim they cannot dictate what I do. I think it is very arrogant of them to try.

I agree. If you're offended by the content of a mod, don't download it. That's always the best way to send a message.

Blunt
Jun 02, 2006, 09:07 AM
Oh and how dare we offend muslims:lol:


Get a clue, it's a game, I'm offended that you are offended by it.

FranklinNoble
Jun 13, 2006, 11:25 AM
Is this leader mod still available?

Llotyhy
Jun 15, 2006, 01:25 AM
http://rapidsharing.com/download.php?id=446B63ED

Is the new link... at this point I have absolutely no idea if this is the right version and/or what this mod contained... I made it well over half a year ago I think... ;) Dunno if there are any problems with the mod... if there are, it's probably small stuff.

Have fun!

Oh, and thanks for all the emails btw... months and months after I put down the last link here, makes me feel really special, hehe... :D

jamaicagator
Jun 23, 2006, 12:36 AM
On the other question - Sure that's possible! :) You'll have to copy the files from this mod to the folder with the other mod you're using, and then you'll have both in one. :cool:

I'm sorry, but I am very new at this, and if someone could tell me how I can combine the files without one overwriting the other, I would be very grateful. What I've tried to do is to copy the files from within the Assets folder of this mod into another, but in some cases (within the XML folder) the files have the same name (e.g., the CIV4UnitInfos.xml and CIV4ArtDefines_Unit.xml).

I've just been guessing what I'm supposed to do, so I'm sure I'm doing something wrong, and I'd really appreciate someone pointing me back in the right direction with slightly more specific directions.

Thanks very much.

halozero
Feb 07, 2007, 08:28 AM
Hey Wyz, you are probably right...my point was that as a non Muslim they cannot dictate what I do. I think it is very arrogant of them to try.


don't get the wrong idea by this response--but i am something of a comparative mythologist... i am quite anti-religious, but i study it endlessly.

to the muslims, their god is THE god. since they feel they are the only ones who are right, they think they can dictate what you do.

i agree with you, though, so no flaming!! ;)

Paridoth
Mar 05, 2007, 02:07 PM
i reaally want this mod, been looking for something to alow my friend to play as hitler, that last download link doesn't work anymore, anyone have it somewhere?

holiday_hawk
May 31, 2008, 09:43 AM
link dosn't work, but this looks very cool

taninamdar
Jun 02, 2008, 12:39 AM
I am not able to download the file. Please give the another link.

Beoworg
Jun 03, 2008, 11:20 PM
i an not muslem, but having Muhhamad as a leader head is inappropriate acording to their custom. In fact it is a grave sin depicting him.

In fact its even less of a sin to murder people for commiting such a grave sin. And why do we care so much about offending crazy people? :lol:

Pessimus Dux
Sep 11, 2008, 03:38 PM
I am not able to download the file. Please give the another link.
Same here, mod looks very interesting (and less demandable for pc because of the simplified graphic), BUT I CANNOT DOWNLOAD IT! Both links doesn't work!

Wyz_sub10
Sep 11, 2008, 03:44 PM
The author's last comment was over two years ago. I think that file is long gone, and if it wasn't, would be grossly incompatible with any civ version in any case.

Pessimus Dux
Sep 12, 2008, 04:08 AM
The author's last comment was over two years ago. I think that file is long gone, and if it wasn't, would be grossly incompatible with any civ version in any case.
Thanx for the info, i'll try to download the Civ Gold 4.0 instead. Btw any indeas how to incorporate only new leaders, not new civs (or at least not all of them)?

Wyz_sub10
Sep 12, 2008, 10:33 AM
Thanx for the info, i'll try to download the Civ Gold 4.0 instead. Btw any indeas how to incorporate only new leaders, not new civs (or at least not all of them)?

I answered this in the Gold forum. Take a look and let me know if you have any further questions.