View Full Version : Civilization/Leader Ref List - Game Setup Help


Denniz
Nov 12, 2005, 12:45 PM
Attached are two short reference lists of the Civilization & Leader information I am always needing when I am setting up a new game. One list is ordered by Civilization and the other by Leader.

The lists were created using data from the Civ 4 Info Center (http://www.civfanatics.com/civ4/info/#Empires). :thumbsup:

I have provided 3 formats: doc, rtf and xls. (If someone with a pdf writer wants to add that, it wouldn't hurt my feelings. ;) )


EDIT: Updated files with corrections noted below by Baines and Aminor. Added Trait & Tech Matrices. PDF versions courtesy of Sadan01 can be found in here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=3320654&postcount=7).

Baines
Nov 13, 2005, 12:17 PM
Good initiative, but you should know that the Info Center is not 100% correct.
For example Luis XIV is not Creative/Organized, he's Creative/Industrious. It says so ingame and you can check C:\Program Files\Firaxis Games\Sid Meier's Civilization 4\Assets\XML\Civilizations\CIV4LeaderHeadInfos.xml for details.

I don't know if there are more traits that are listed wrong in the Info Center, hopefully they will change it in the next update. :rolleyes:

Edit: You can download a free PDF writer at http://www.cutepdf.com/Products/CutePDF/writer.asp hope it fills your needs, haven't used it myself.

Aminor
Nov 13, 2005, 08:15 PM
I used the tables provided by Denniz as a quick basis for some tables of my own (which I will share here as soon as presentable). Since Baines noted one discrepancy I reviewed the information carefully from the manual and found one other change:

Swap Roman (Julius Caesar) from Expansive/Creative to Expansive/Organized

and Persia (Cyrus) from Expansive/Organized to Expansive/Creative

Otherwise, all combinations of traits are possible other than Creative/Organized and Industrious/Philosophical.

.pdf generation is also an option with most modern office suites -- at least the two that I use which of course omits the most common. ;)

Denniz
Nov 14, 2005, 04:01 PM
Good initiative, but you should know that the Info Center is not 100% correct.
Yikes.:sad: It never occured to me to check.

Since Baines noted one discrepancy I reviewed the information carefully from the manual and found one other change...
I am not sure I would trust the manual. I am going to check against the game. (not the civilopedia)

I will see if I can re-post them this evening.

Thanks, guys.

Denniz
Nov 14, 2005, 04:43 PM
Corrected Files in first message.

Added Trait & Tech Matrices.

Aminor
Nov 14, 2005, 08:19 PM
I agree about not believing any source of data at this point which was why I did/will try to reference where I obtained the information when posting.

Thanks for adding the Trait matrix. That was exactly what I had roughed out as a quick guide when selecting a new leader for a new game. The Tech matrix is also handy though I haven't paid as much attention to that... so far. :)

Sadan01
Nov 15, 2005, 12:03 AM
(If someone with a pdf writer wants to add that, it wouldn't hurt my feelings. ;) )

Please find those three documents in PDF format attached. ;)

Great work on these documents Denniz :) They are very useful instead of having to search through the manual or the Civilopedia.

Denniz
Nov 15, 2005, 04:22 AM
I agree about not believing any source of data at this point which was why I did/will try to reference where I obtained the information when posting.
Good point. I verified the list by starting a game with each leader. The only issues I found were the ones you and Baines noted. :)

Denniz
Nov 15, 2005, 04:26 AM
Please find those three documents in PDF format attached. ;)
Thanks, Sadan. :goodjob:

fung3
Nov 15, 2005, 06:14 AM
Nice work Denniz. Much appeciated.

Just a thought, how about adding preferred Civics to the CIV 4 Civilizations chart.

LeSphinx
Nov 15, 2005, 07:04 AM
Very usefull: thanks Denniz

LeSphinx

Shevek
Nov 20, 2005, 11:50 AM
Great. I have printed it and will use it.
Thanks for doing the work.