Quebec civilization Beta 1

Civilization
Name: Quebec
Techs: Hunting, Fishing
Leaders: Lucien Bouchard, René Lévesques
Unique Unit: "Coureurs des bois" ("Runners of the woods" - as i didn't find any better translation)
Flag: (current using France)

Leaders
Lucien Bouchard (industrious, financial)
(currently using Napoleon leaderhead)

René Lévesques (philosophical, creative)
(currently using Caesar leaderhead)

Unique Unit
Runners of the woods (replaces scout)
(uses scout art)
- 15 cost
- Attack and defense same as scout
- Movement: 3 (one more than scout)
- No movement penalty
- starts with 'Hunting'

General Notes

- all the work is based on what wyz_sub10 does with the canadian Mod - great work by the way and thanks for the great tutorials!
- all civ, leaders, unit have Civilopedia entries (English appears for all languages and sometimes French as his own translation)
- used TXT_KEYS for everything except city names
- leaderheads, icons and unit art are simply reused icons. I will gladly make the changes if I can get the art.
- A copy of my civ4techinfo.xml (xml\technologies) is include in the assets, the only modification i made is slowdown the tech progression a bit... if you want the regular game just delete it.
-Also i modified civ4unitinfo.xml (xml\units) so cannons are available sooner in the game (gunpowder instead of steel)... Also the attack value have been decrease from 12 to 10.... But it's up to you to put the ancient values.

Remember this is just a game, i just made it for fun. No offense to everyone (especially canadian people - as i am by the way ;) )

In the future, it could be fun to put togheter the canadian mod with this one... it's up to you!

To use, install to your 'Custom Assets' folder.

nice work! im going to try this as soon as i can.

I'm going to have to try this as soon as I get my new graphics card installed. Eventually, I hope someone will bring this mod and the Canada mod together and I can play Canada and Quebec against each other.

lol, someone should create a "what if the Oui side won the referendum" scenario :D

Looks good, but I just can't help but input my constructive criticism. :p

A Quebec civ should really have Samuel de Champlain.

And Coureurs des bois were smugglers. If you want a better scout unit, try the Voyageur.

Oui side did win the referendum, the results were cheated

The OUI won, but lot of "non-french" people have the right to vote so we lost by less than 1%... the fact is... 68% or french Canadian vote OUI... you see where is the problem now...
Quebec should be part of Civilization if Washington is part of it...
But Sid Meier is american and lot of people think quebec isnt important but if you look at the map... Quebec is bigger than France+UK together... Canada is the second biggest country on earth and we arent in the game.. if you think about it... it sucks cause we deserve at least a little place in this game.

I'm french Canadian... in other term... Quebecois and i will not change this even for a trillion dollar... so proud to be what i am, another reason to vote YES at the referendum :lol:

Haha, i'll try your mod ! I am also working on a Quebec mod ! I was thinking about Duplessis and Lévesque, "coureur des bois" as the unique unit.

The referendum of 1995 wasn't cheated because a "lot of non-french could vote". It is because the governement gave the status of "quebecois" to a really high number of immigrants that were just arriving when they should have wait some years before getting it.

PM me your MSN adress, maybe we could both work on one mod..

Your mod is kinda fun but i think you are really too proud to be a Quebecois.

I am a french canadian too living in quebec but i dont understand, beside the language and the poutine, why you think you are sooooooo different. In a era of countries trying to live together and opening borders, I think its pretty selfish to think about separation.

anyhow, if it makes you happy tant mieux!

Quetzalcoalt

No comments about the last post.

I think there is a lively Canada thread in the general section where we can engage in a civil and coridal discussion about who sucks more. :)

As for the mod, great work. I like your choices for leaders, but I think a throwback to Frontenac would be cool too, or an early governor like Belleau.

Woops. Duplicate.

Every souvrainists don't think Canada and english people sucks. In fact it is a quite stupid point of view.

Well thanks everyone for all the comments!

As some of you mention, it would be great to have an early leader like Champlain or Frontenac. Personnally, i was thinking of one of the patriots who tried to rebel themselves againts the english autority... any suggestion? ;) Leader's traits?

Chevalier de Lorimier ?
Louis-Joseph Papineau ?

Every souvrainists don't think Canada and english people sucks. In fact it is a quite stupid point of view.

I agree 100%. That's why I'm being sarcastic about it - for those who want to have a "bashing" session on sovereigntists or federalists, do it elsewhere.

Wouldn't you agree?

Agreed. But I guess they will be discussing without us ! :P

I would suggest you delve a little further into Quebec than it's modern leaders. Samuel de Champlain and General Montcalm would be good leaders for Quebec. I have never hread of "coureurs des bois" is that another term for "Voyageurs"? Some one should make mods for the rest of the Provinces then you could have a cross Canada Brawl.

Here's a description for "Coureurs des bois":

New France established its subsistence on the economic foundation that became its first and main source of revenue: the commerce of furs.
This commerce generated an attractive and lucrative economic activity based on barter, namely the fur trade. The Natives traded pelts and fur skins for trading goods manufactured in Europe and offered by the French.

The activities of the coureurs des bois contributed to the rapid expansion of the territory of New France, north of the Great Lakes to Hudson Bay, and south to the Gulf of Mexico. At the end of the XVIIth century, they journeyed regularly on the main rivers in northern Québec and Ontario, as well as to the south and southwest. Long before they were named, several large American States, such as Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana, Missouri, Iowa, Arkansas, Mississippi and Louisiana had been visited by the coureurs des bois.

And two excerpts from a book on Canadian history, showing that Coureur de Bois weren't really encouraged.

"Coureur de bois was not a complimentary term - it meant an illicit trader, a smuggler in the woods."

"In 1681 the royal officials acknowledged that this traffic had successfully undermined Montréal's role as the place where French and native traders would exchange beaver pelts for garments, muskets, copper pots, and other trade goods. Offering amnesty to the coureurs de bois, the authorities established a system of permits, called congés, for these trade voyages. This legitimization of the coureur de bois created another figure in the trade: the voyageur. Holding a congé, or allied to a Montréal merchant who had one, the voyageur made the western trade a profession. Recent immigrants, failing merchants, and perhaps even habitants headed west to try and make a living carrying trade goods over the canoe route to the Great Lakes and bringing beaver pelts back. Far from being threatened by this development, Montréal prospered. It was the established Montréal merchants who supplied the voyageurs with trading goods - as they had, less openly, the coureurs de bois - and so the furs still came to them."

I think the special power of the Quebec civ should be to take whatever developments and tech's the Canadian civ gets, and then claim them as their own.

Nice work, but isnt Qubec a part of Canada?

Nice work, but isnt Qubec a part of Canada?

Yes, technically it is. But since nobody really wants another pissing contest between sovereigntists and federalists, let's just pretend that it's not for right now.

Technically? Hahah. Yes QUebec is part of Canada. It's the tail that wags the dog.

It would be fun to see how each Province would do as their own Civ:

UU's:

BC: Lumber Jack / Fisher / Drug Adict
Alta. : Oil Farmer
Sask: Farmer / Uranium Digger
Manitoba: Warrior with Icicle Dagger
Ontario: Politician
Quebec: Seperatist
New Brunswick: Advanced FIsher
P.E.I. : Adv. Fisher level 5 with flaming fishing rod of fish slaying
New foundland: Giberish Speaker
Nova Scotia: Seal Clubers
Nunavit: Eskimo
Yukon: Bear Hunters
NWT: Polar Bears.

"But Sid Meier is american and lot of people think quebec isnt important but if you look at the map... Quebec is bigger than France+UK together... Canada is the second biggest country on earth and we arent in the game.. if you think about it... it sucks cause we deserve at least a little place in this game."

I agree ! I am going to try this mod tonight. :goodjob: I have 200+ years of
Louisiana French Cajun in me....Hats off to Quebec....QVVA.....
:crazyeye: :lol:

I totally agree with the writer of this program. Quebec should be considered a separtate country, as should all of the other provs. this fantasy of "Canada" should come to an end.

Quebec a seperate country ? AHAHHAHAHA man that gave me a good laugh.

THat's like saying Alaska is seperate because they're not atached to the U.S.

The Fantasy of Canada? Explain?

Canada is a great nation, with great people. It's not our fault people love our country and 90% of the americans can't even point to it on the map.

Yes, technically it is. But since nobody really wants another pissing contest between sovereigntists and federalists, let's just pretend that it's not for right now.
Good good ill pretend;)

Lucien Bouchard as a leader is pretty silly. Champlain would be MUCH better.

i like 'Coureurs des bois' but movement 3 is a bit overkill.....i would just give it woodsman2 to start with instead.

for a mod....it would be nice to do one that predates the Louisianne purchase...but i guess that's more of a Nouvelle France approach to it.

Seems like a cool civ to try and play. Even though I am from Western Canada, I must say I hope "La Belle Provence" stays with Canada. Good work. :)

I would like to give my opinion regarding the leaders of a Québec civ.

Personnally, René Lévesque and Samuel de Champlain are the first two that I would put in as leaders. You can see why with my interpretation of all the leaders Québec had from the colonization until today.

First, regarding the Nouvelle-France period... (1534-1759)

Samuel de Champlain

He is the founder of Québec city. Although Jacques Cartier discovered the land and made first contact with the natives, Samuel did start it up and settle what then become Nouvelle-France and known today as Québec.

Louis de Buade Frontenac

He was a governer of Nouvelle-France. He enlarged the territory and had several victories over the English and the Iroquois. He is the one stating the reknown phrase "Je n'ai point de réponse à faire à votre général que par la bouche de mes canons et de mes fusils" / "I have nothing to answer to your general but from the mouth of my canons and my guns". Phipps was defeated right after that.

Louis-Hector de Callière

Governer of Nouvelle-France. In 1701, most of all the native nations did signed his "Traité de la Grande Paix", "Great Peace Treaty". It was the first time that one European nation was in north america to bring peace and give them a huge support. It ended almost all indian wars ragarding European's interests.

Other important names of Nouvelle-France, Jean-Talon, Louis Jolliet, Montcalm, Vaudreuil...

Montcalm was a general and hehad a very bad impression of Nouvelle-France when he first came in. He said "I'd lose a battle rather than winning it with the help of the locals". He won few battles but, did not obey often to the governer Vaudreuil. I fail to see why we would make him a leader of a Québec civilization.

From 1763 until 1866, under the british domination...

Louis Joseph Papineau

He is the spiritual father of the rebellions (1837-1838) and the idea of an independence. He was the leader of Lower-Canada (Québec) from 1815 until 1837.

Other important names can be mentionned as the founding fathers of the idea of the independence but, his name comes first.

From 1867 until the 1960, the Dominion of Canada...

Georges-Etienne Cartier

One of the two founding fathers of the dominion of Canada with John A. MacDonald. He strongly defended the interests of the people of Québec, something that John was trying to avoid secretly without success. Well, that is what he thought. Québec became only a simple province among others instead of being a founding nation. The queen Victoria gave the title of "Knight of the Order of the Bath" To MacDonald and it deeply hurts Cartier. He became a pathetic loser afterward. Like defending the New Brunswick decision to abolish French schools for the Acadians.

Maurice Duplessi

His era was known as the Grande Noirceur / Big Black Out... or litaraly, the Big Darkness. Won 5 times the elections and had a huge support from the churches. He was very conservative but, a little nationalistic. He did dare and fought the federal a couple of times. He adopted the current Quebec flag.

Honoré Mercier, Wilfrid Laurier, Henri Bourassa and Adélard Godbout are other names to be mentionned in that period.

From 1960 until today, the birth of the name Québécois and the modern patriotism...

René Lévesque

Although independentist movements already exist in multiple form, he is the father of "Souveraineté-Association" concept. He successfully joined all the independentist forces together in one single party. He had the idea of a democratic process to give Québec its independence with a referendum. From 0% to 40% in 1980, Lévesque gave birth to a movement that would never stop. Even after his death, the sovereignty is gaining in importance and it seems that nothing can stop it. With a tight result of 49,4% in 1995, the last days of the actual union are running on borrowed time. The federal system is still failing to provide Québec the respect of a founding nation and it keeps on feeding the independentist feeling into the population. The sovereignty movement became way bigger than its creator.

Jacques Parizeau

Tryied to continu the Lévesque project and did a referendum in 1995 with the result of 49,4% in favor of sovereignty. He came close to realize Lévesque's dream but failed and resigned afterward.

Lucien Bouchard

He had a huge impact in the 1995's referendum and was a very charismatic political man. He took the lead of Parti Québécois after Jacques Parizeau but, failed to promote the idea of sovereignty and he resigned in 2001.

Bernard Landry

Did an impressive aggrement with the Cree nation and settle the Québec nation as being the first one to recognize a native nation as a sovereign one. He accomplished few interesting things but, Landry took the lead after Bouchard left and he was defeated in 2003.

Although these three men had an impact on our modern society, I do not beleive their names should be taken into the creation of a Québec civilization. Unless it is for a specific scenario.

To demystify Québec...
For those of you foreigners that wonder why the province of Québec would be a civilization or a nation... let me give you a very short recap.

The French founded the Nouvelle-France in the early 1600's. In the mean time, the English were establishing their domination on the east coast of north american, the Portugueses in Brazil, the Dutch tried to be present in few places and the Spanish colonized all the rest.

The French had to adapt at the new environnement and they became very different from the ones of the old continent. They called themselve Canadien and that name lasted until they changed it to Québécois somewhere between 1950 and 1970.

The French domination of North America ended in 1763 when they gave up the Nouvelle-France to England after losing a battle in the St Lawrence river. Although the English tried many times, they never assimilated the French. They adopted the name of Canadian as an astuce to not recognize the existence of Canadien nation. Pretending that English-Canadian and French-Canada were just simple charateristics of the Canadian nation.

With the creation of Canada in 1867, French Canadians saw themselve as one of the two founding nations of the country. While the English Canadians saw themselve as the only one creator and us being part of them.

To make a long story short, Québec is and always been a nation. The hot debate today in Québec is... is that nation can be respected as one as autonomous region of Canada? or, does it need to become sovereign to do so?

In the mean time in English Canada, the debate rather sounds like... should we do whatever it takes to keep Québec against its will? or should we let it go because we do not want them to be a nation within our federal system?

The opposite views are called "Les deux solitudes", "The two lonelinesses".

As the UU, I don't really know what it should be.
-Coureurs des bois is fine.
-A patriot could be fine too. A kind of Musketter very costless.

Modern Québec society is very avangardist. The creation of Hydro-Québec and its huge projects like the high tension lines and the Manic 5. The first one in the world trying the 730 KV high tension lines. Bombardier, from the snow mobiles to the aeronautics. Quebecor, Alcan, et al. What is impressive is that prior to 1950, Québec was retarded because of the huge influence of the churches. This society did a huge jump foward in a very short period of time that is also called "La révolution tranquile", "the quite revolution".

Regarding the relations with the English Canadians... you must understand that despite their political differences, the relations are pretty good. There is no harm from one another and with the exception of few red necks on both side, the two nations are very friendly. But the misunderstanding between the two of them regarding what Canada should be will probably lead the country to the separation of Québec.

I hope my two cents and an half help some people... ;)

This is a mod thread so, if some people would like to discuss and debate politic regarding the sovereignty project, you should invite us into the proper forum for that. S'il vous plait...

Relations may be cordial...
but if there is anyone, (sovereigntist or federalist) who honestly believes, in the event of a 'oui' victory, that the clean and bloodless withdrawal of Quebec from Canada will be as simple as a unilateral declaration of statehood, than he is delusional.

But this is almost entirely off-topic.

I am just wondering if there will be any more referendums and when.

Will there be LH artwork for Quebec?

There's a Champlain leaderhead. You could use that.

I am just wondering if there will be any more referendums and when.not prior the next two years for sure. The most plausible time will be in 3 or 4 years, the lastest.

I am just wondering if there will be any more referendums and when.

yes plz dont go Quebec. We do better together.

I was thinking about some wonder for Quebec... just an idea tho, let me know if it's possible and what you guys think about it.
1. Pont de Québec (Quebec Bridge)
with the technology we had to build this, it is considere a wonder for the people of Québec. Took many years to build and failed two time.

2. Stade Olympique (Olympic Stadium)
An integral part of the Olympic Stadium is the Montréal Tower, it's the highest inclined tower in the world, with a 175-metre elevation and a 45-degree angle. The Tower of Pisa, by comparison, only has a 5-degree incline. The first 92 metres of the Montréal Tower are made of concrete, and the rest is made of steel.

3. Manic 5 (Daniel-Johnson Dam)
width 1300 meters height 210 meters... enough say ! Like the Hoover Dam in Civilization 3 !

4. Citée de l'énergie (Energy City)
Maybe not a good wonder but still an idea. See the link if you have no idea what im talking about... http://www.citedelenergie.com//index.asp?module=1&page=3

5. Château Frontnac (Fairmont or Frontnac Castle).
Another idea...

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well one of the biggest engineering feet we did was build an island to host the olympiques

so how about Ile St-Helene as a wonder, giving +1 hammer to the city's water squares?

well one of the biggest engineering feet we did was build an island to host the olympiques

so how about Ile St-Helene as a wonder, giving +1 hammer to the city's water squares?
O yea true, i totally agree with you, this project was huge !! we still pay for it !!

Benzlys, I agree with you as for the leader with René Lévesque but i'm a bit hesitant about Champlain, I mean besides being the guy who was the first to establish a colony he did nothing else, therefore he isn't a "great leader". This is why I think Papineau with his accomplishment meets the aspects of a great leader and should be besides Lévesque for leader choice plus it would fit with my preference for the patriot UU.

As for th UU, I believe the patriot would be much more fun to use than the coureur des bois who sounds a bit boring to me (I'm sorry but I'm a redneck who dreams to burn down Ottawa with lots of Quebec UU so their won't be anymore Ottawa Senators to beat the Habs and make me look like a fool when I cross the Ouataouais river :lol: ;) ) I think the patriot should be a rifleman correct me if I'm wong, but patriots used rifles(19th century guns) instead of muskets wich are not from the same century the 16th I believe... Therefore they would appear with the same tech as the the english redcoats wich they were fighting in St-Denis and it would be cool to hae a graphic that looks like the patriot on the MLNQ flag (see attached image). Besides that I agree with the concept of a costless unit but they shouldn't be as strong as the rifleman but just way cheaper so a sea of patriots would burn down Ottawa without the cost of ordinary rifleman when I'll play quebec against the canadians :P.

P.S. sorry for all the errors but as you probably realised I'm a Québécois pur laine who trys to speek anglish... lol

You should put my ancestor in this mod as a hero. Guillaume Couture was a hero of New France and is listed as a great Canadian in history. Check out his statue in Quebec here:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~larocque/couture_guillaume_statue_levis.jpg

Book about him in French (http://www.nosracines.ca/f/toc.asp?id=1781)

Easy Reading history in English (http://www.republiquelibre.org/cousture/COUST2.HTM)

He was involved with "les Saints Martyrs Canadiens» (the holy Canadien martyrs)."

Check it out I think it would be cool if he was in the Quebec mod has a hero or something.

He got tortured: "«Cousture, who had killed one of their chiefs in the combat, was exposed to their whole fury. They undressed him and beat him up with wooden sticks. They ripped out his fingernails with their teeth and stabbed a sword through his hand. One of the savages cut off half of his right middle finger. The pain was all the more unbearable since he did not use a knife, but a piece of shell. Since he could not cut the slippery nerve, the savage twisted it and pulled with such violence, that a nerve the lenght of the arm came out. The arm became prodigiously swollen»."

Even better information on wikipedia Guillaume Couture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillaume_Couture)
I started writting it up and others added more facts to it.

I am a direct ascent from the first son that he had who kept the original name. I'm not a seperatist but I'm pro Canada but I just wish our Government wasnt so stupid!

Oh yeah and French-Canadians are called Canucks... French-Canadians is the original habitants of Canada besides the natives. French-Canadian doesn't mean french from France that immagrate here.

Benzlys, I agree with you as for the leader with René Lévesque but i'm a bit hesitant about Champlain, I mean besides being the guy who was the first to establish a colony he did nothing else, therefore he isn't a "great leader". This is why I think Papineau with his accomplishment meets the aspects of a great leader and should be besides Lévesque for leader choice plus it would fit with my preference for the patriot UU.

As for th UU, I believe the patriot would be much more fun to use than the coureur des bois who sounds a bit boring to me (I'm sorry but I'm a redneck who dreams to burn down Ottawa with lots of Quebec UU so their won't be anymore Ottawa Senators to beat the Habs and make me look like a fool when I cross the Ouataouais river :lol: ;) ) I think the patriot should be a rifleman correct me if I'm wong, but patriots used rifles(19th century guns) instead of muskets wich are not from the same century the 16th I believe... Therefore they would appear with the same tech as the the english redcoats wich they were fighting in St-Denis and it would be cool to hae a graphic that looks like the patriot on the MLNQ flag (see attached image). Besides that I agree with the concept of a costless unit but they shouldn't be as strong as the rifleman but just way cheaper so a sea of patriots would burn down Ottawa without the cost of ordinary rifleman when I'll play quebec against the canadians :P.

P.S. sorry for all the errors but as you probably realised I'm a Québécois pur laine who trys to speek anglish... lol

Forgive me, but did the Patriotes ever win even a single battle in the whole rebellion?

Forgive me, but did the Patriotes ever win even a single battle in the whole rebellion?
Saint-Denis

Hi guys I made a flag for the Quebec mod. For some reason I cant get it to work it just shows up white ingame. I'm still new at moding civ4 but heres the screenshot.

Hi guys I made a flag for the Quebec mod. For some reason I cant get it to work it just shows up white ingame. I'm still new at moding civ4 but heres the screenshot.

You need to colour in the alpha channel.

Use DXTBmp and open the jpg there. On the right-hand side you'll see a white box. Click that to edit and colour it in all black. Refresh it and save it as a DDS file.

These are rough instructions, I know. PM me if you want some help.

Thanks for your help! I Think it would be cool to make all the provincail flags. I started making my own Quebec mod. I think the Leaders should be the first premier of Quebec, because historicaly wasnt it the king of France who ruled over Quebec anyway? Correct me if i'm wrong.

I'm not from Quebec although my whole family is... military bratt here born in New Brunswick. That explains it. I love my Country Canada, but most of all I love Quebec. To me this mod isnt about being a seperatist, its just identifies the different nations of Canada, such as the Acadian nation and First nations. God Bless Canada! Heres a screenshot of my flag ingame:

Great mod. I'd love to see one that depicted the French and Indian War or the War of 1812 though (but it would HAVE to include Tecumseh).

But to address another poster's suggestion that the seperation of Quebec could not be accomplished without bloodshed; I agree. I am the descendant of a French missionary who took the journey from the Old World to Trois-Rivieres shortly after its founding around 1634. He settled with a Cree Indian woman and they were married. Eventually much of his family migrated to Southern Ontario which is where I was born and live today. I have sparse knowledge of the french language but carry a francophone last name; something that is frequently and poignantly brought to my attention by francophones whenever I travel on VIA. But, to the point, there are many like me who would solemnly use the force of arms to ensure that the political seperation of Quebec from Canada never happens. The province was militarily defeated by England, abandoned by France, and together (with Ontario) symbolizes the heart of the Canadian identity; two cultures that have been forged into one that has now joined by others in a great Confederation on this continent. Needless to say, I would go to war to stop the illegal seperation of Quebec because the example of the modern Canada needs to be able to show the world that we can overcome obstacles and learn from harsh lessons. Though I left years ago, many of my friends in the Canadian Forces feel the same way. On an interesting note, a few years ago we participated in a war games scenario that was based on the premise of fighting Quebec seperatists. Just food for thought.

Great mod. I'd love to see one that depicted the French and Indian War or the War of 1812 though (but it would HAVE to include Tecumseh).

But to address another poster's suggestion that the seperation of Quebec could not be accomplished without bloodshed; I agree. I am the descendant of a French missionary who took the journey from the Old World to Trois-Rivieres shortly after its founding around 1634. He settled with a Cree Indian woman and they were married. Eventually much of his family migrated to Southern Ontario which is where I was born and live today. I have sparse knowledge of the french language but carry a francophone last name; something that is frequently and poignantly brought to my attention by francophones whenever I travel on VIA. But, to the point, there are many like me who would solemnly use the force of arms to ensure that the political seperation of Quebec from Canada never happens. The province was militarily defeated by England, abandoned by France, and together (with Ontario) symbolizes the heart of the Canadian identity; two cultures that have been forged into one that has now joined by others in a great Confederation on this continent. Needless to say, I would go to war to stop the illegal seperation of Quebec because the example of the modern Canada needs to be able to show the world that we can overcome obstacles and learn from harsh lessons. Though I left years ago, many of my friends in the Canadian Forces feel the same way. On an interesting note, a few years ago we participated in a war games scenario that was based on the premise of fighting Quebec seperatists. Just food for thought.

Tell me please what is the missionaries name?

Quebec wont seperate, I have my reasons why it should seperate and my reasons why it shouldnt seperate. I would not go to arms, that is just stupid especially coming from you. If Canadian people went to arms against other Canadian people then I am ashamed of being Canadian. The Province of Quebec has a right to seperate, it isnt illegal for them to seperate... why do you think they held votes?
Quebec is the only province that has a reserved right to come out of confederation. The politics in Quebec is the national assembly and the other provinces have privincail assembly. With that said, they are a nation. Basicly Canada is united by provinces, territories, and a nation. Vive Canada!

there should be a hydro plant in all cities for quebec when you get the tech !

I would hope against a civil war; forcing people to live under your laws against their collective will is inimical to the whole idea of Canada, and probably more damaging to the nation than the separation of any one province could ever be.
That said, if Quebec separates, Ottawa should immediately declare indivisibility to maintain the unity of the other nine provinces. Further, if any rash action is taken by sovereigntists in the event of a 'oui' victory, (such as unilateral declarations of independence without prior negotiation concerning various major issues), a civil war may become inevitable.

Yes, Deals must be made! Let's trade the eastern townships for labrador, which belongs to us anyways! grrr :p

Anyways... I love the fact that you made a mod for Québec as a civ, but i disagree with alot of what you did...

For one:

Leader : Louis-Joseph Papineau (some 2 traits, can't remember what are available...), favors Nationhood
René Levesque (Philosophical, Organised), favors Nationhood

Also...: Starting Techs : Agriculture and Mysticism

They were a bunch of religious farmers at the start... Hunting and fishing makes no sense... The natives hunted the furs for them, and they were hardly fishermen...

UU: Coureur des bois? Ya kidding!?! They were bandits! Outlaws! And because of that, they sold their products to the british colonies! I Would put that as Québec's UU, as they hindered our development. Maybe Voyageur... but i see Patriote as way more appropriate...

Lucien Bouchard... i think Louis-Joseph papineau would be better...

Happy Québec is made as a mod, but kinda dissapointed at the same time...

(Edit: Following a suggestion on another thread, I'll point out this (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=3250998&postcount=140) post in which the details for a québecois civ are given, and i consider it pretty damn good, exept that it lacks great leaders (which doesn't matter 'cause they are not civ-specific), but even that will be added in time...)

I would hope against a civil war; forcing people to live under your laws against their collective will is inimical to the whole idea of Canada, and probably more damaging to the nation than the separation of any one province could ever be.
That said, if Quebec separates, Ottawa should immediately declare indivisibility to maintain the unity of the other nine provinces. Further, if any rash action is taken by sovereigntists in the event of a 'oui' victory, (such as unilateral declarations of independence without prior negotiation concerning various major issues), a civil war may become inevitable.

I hope too against a civil war, i don't wanna have to fight my friends... it's stupid to fight with a friend anyway.
In my opinion... There is no chance for a civil war. Sorry to tell you that but Quebec will never fight back cause we will not have to.
Alot of nation in the world are watching us and remember that canada isnt a SuperPower like France or the United States and everyone know (De Gaule and Chirac) have always support the separation of Quebec cause we are still their little french brother and they beleive in us.
If somone kick your little brother's ass, i am sure you will get a strong reaction and for sure you will not let this happen without trying at least to defend him... espacially if everything have been done the right way (Democratic Choice by Vote)...
I have alot of respect for the Canada. I espacially love the Alberta and Britisj Colombia (lot of money, lot of cool people and such a beautifull place to live and work). They should separate too BTW, Alberta is so rich, they don't even need Ottawa.
I love the Canada, i will repeat this and repeat again... I just don't get it when people talk about civil war in Quebec... it's ridiculous... We are Agressif Yeah but Pacific too !

Vive le Canada et Vive le Québec Libre !

le peuple Québecois est l'un des peuples les plus anti-guerre qui'l y a..


there's zero chance of a civil war ever happening in Canada

le peuple Québecois est l'un des peuples les plus anti-guerre qui'l y a..


there's zero chance of a civil war ever happening in Canada

I wouldn't say that... we have resisted in the past... and failed... Les patriotes se sont fait exécutionnés, massacrés, ou exilé pour leur résistance... Pierre-Éliotte Trudeau a utiliser les mesures de guerres pour combattre la résistence dans les 70...

I think civil war is a possibility, but i strongly oppose it, because i smell americain influence...

I still think the Compaignes Franche de Marines should be the UU, and Samuel de Champlain as leader. :p

I hope too against a civil war, i don't wanna have to fight my friends... it's stupid to fight with a friend anyway.
In my opinion... There is no chance for a civil war. Sorry to tell you that but Quebec will never fight back cause we will not have to.
Alot of nation in the world are watching us and remember that canada isnt a SuperPower like France or the United States and everyone know (De Gaule and Chirac) have always support the separation of Quebec cause we are still their little french brother and they beleive in us.
If somone kick your little brother's ass, i am sure you will get a strong reaction and for sure you will not let this happen without trying at least to defend him... espacially if everything have been done the right way (Democratic Choice by Vote)...
I have alot of respect for the Canada. I espacially love the Alberta and Britisj Colombia (lot of money, lot of cool people and such a beautifull place to live and work). They should separate too BTW, Alberta is so rich, they don't even need Ottawa.
I love the Canada, i will repeat this and repeat again... I just don't get it when people talk about civil war in Quebec... it's ridiculous... We are Agressif Yeah but Pacific too !

Vive le Canada et Vive le Québec Libre !

France may support Quebec...but I have the sneaking suspicion that British and American sympathies would lie with Canada. This wouldn't prevent a civil war; in fact, these would be the makings of a particularly ugly one.
But let us hope that if the possibility ever arrises, the peoples of both Canada and Quebec can use whatever wisdom we have to avoid it.

But back on topic. I've never heard of the Compaignes Franche de Marines, when were they around?

I still think the Compaignes Franche de Marines should be the UU, and Samuel de Champlain as leader. :p

Lol, the way i see it Champlain makes as good as a leader for both Canada and Québec...

I dunno, a mercantilist and expansionist leader (or something of the like)? May as well put the french kind that commanded him, would have the same effect in my opinion...

But back on topic. I've never heard of the Compaignes Franche de Marines, when were they around?

Not sure when they started, but they were around until the British Conquest of Quebec. They may have started before 1700.

Lol, the way i see it Champlain makes as good as a leader for both Canada and Québec...

I see him more as a Quebec leader, as he was governor of Quebec, and died long before Canada ever existed.

I see him more as a Quebec leader, as he was governor of Quebec, and died long before Canada ever existed.

Actually, in Champlain's time "Quebec" referred only to the city (which he established), the actual territory was governed was referred to both as "Canada" and as "New France"

He was still the French governor of a French colony. The leader of a Canadian civ should be someone who actually led independent Canada.

Not sure when they started, but they were around until the British Conquest of Quebec. They may have started before 1700.



I see him more as a Quebec leader, as he was governor of Quebec, and died long before Canada ever existed.


Same for goes for Québec. It was New-France... which as far as I see it is the ancestor of Canada too (atlease if you consider territory).

Anyways, as I was saying, putting Champlain would be the same as putting a european king...

Same for goes for Québec. It was New-France... which as far as I see it is the ancestor of Canada too (atlease if you consider territory).

Well you aren't going to call the civ New France, are you? :P

Well you aren't going to call the civ New France, are you? :P

No, and ya aint gonna call Canada 'The Province of Quebec', even if that was it's name before the 'Acte Constitutionel' that separated it into lower and upper canada... and the the 'Acte d'Union' came... funny... the english wanted their own land, seperate from the french, and then they wanted to unite the two canadas...

No, and ya aint gonna call Canada 'The Province of Quebec', even if that was it's name before the 'Acte Constitutionel' that separated it into lower and upper canada... and the the 'Acte d'Union' came... funny... the english wanted their own land, seperate from the french, and then they wanted to unite the two canadas...

Yeah, ironically Quebec might have remained separate if it weren't for the Patriote rebellion....:rolleyes:

Seperate... and how would that be... it was 'lower(?)' canada when the patriots fought back. Revolt or not, assimilation was always in the mind of the british empire... and they would have made the Union anyways. I don't see what you mean... And i have to say that they were conquered way before the patrio rebilions, so i got no idea where you getting at...

Seperate... and how would that be... it was 'lower(?)' canada when the patriots fought back. Revolt or not, assimilation was always in the mind of the british empire... and they would have made the Union anyways. I don't see what you mean... And i have to say that they were conquered way before the patrio rebilions, so i got no idea where you getting at...

On the contrary, the Act of Union was only proposed to integrate the French Canadians following Lord Durham's report, an investigation which was called into the causes of the Patriote rebellion.
Prior to that, everyone was simply content to leave Upper and Lower Canada as separate provinces within the British Empire.

Assimilation was always on their mind, the rebellions only pushed yhe issue with that nazi durham's report. The 'Proclamation royale' dated way back, and that was also a big assimilation attempt. The fact that they changed the 42-42 seats for rep by pop once the english were more numerous also proves it. It is not the patriots that made the english want to assimilate lower canada...

Did you say 'integreate' the french canadians... Did you see what Durham wrote? That nazi wanted assimilation, not peaceful co-existence. He also agreed with the 42-42, so that, while more numerous, the french would hold less seats, in the hope of their assimilation...

And yes, i'm calling him a freaking nazi, and if you read some of the things in his report you'd know why.

all i know is that Quebec is Canada and Canada is Quebec. Even though we all have differences we are still related in everyway. I am a proud Canadian, I think its a dangerous thing aswell. :D In my eyes all provinces belong to each other. I got myself a maple leaf and fluer des lise tattooo :) proud of my true canadian roots. Sad to see that my country cant get along though.

France may support Quebec...but I have the sneaking suspicion that British and American sympathies would lie with Canada. This wouldn't prevent a civil war; in fact, these would be the makings of a particularly ugly one.
But let us hope that if the possibility ever arrises, the peoples of both Canada and Quebec can use whatever wisdom we have to avoid it.

But back on topic. I've never heard of the Compaignes Franche de Marines, when were they around?

I gotta say that the british empire apreciate us French Canadians. I met a lot of brits on my travels outside of Canada who were very nice towards me, more so than actual Canadians. Then people of France call us their cousins. It is true when I was down south I met some Frenchies of France who called me their cousin. IT was cool.

Then The americans would NOT sympathy with Canada, thats such BS I have to say. They want Quebec to seperate more than people who live in it. They would take over Quebec as another state in a heart beat. Its not that Quebec wants to seperate, its just that we need to be appreciated and respected. Remember we R proud, we have been here before everyone else besides the natives who also need to be respected. Honestly most of my friends are either first or second generation Canadian, so u have to see it in our eyes. I personally love all people, but u need to learn history to truly understand whats wrong with us. haha, I might be moving to REDDEER watch out!

haha i just had a quick thought about that stupid civil war post... if Canada had a civil war all other provinces would say "Phuck this" and seperate themselves. Then Hockey would take a whole different meaning in our new northern countries. haha, wow... that is all. We'd propably just become a Canada united Countries... why would we still be united? maybe because the majority of Canada is anti yank. haha God Bless Canada.

Just imagine the awesome Quebec/Ontario/BC/Alberta matches. :D

And if Canada did seperate, I would just have to reconquer it under the flag of the Subesian Empire. :mischief:

Then The americans would NOT sympathy with Canada, thats such BS I have to say. They want Quebec to seperate more than people who live in it. They would take over Quebec as another state in a heart beat.

I somewhat disagree... Don't forget their paranoia (no offense). They would defenatly not want an 'unstable situation' right at their borders... and they got their trade agreements with Canada, not Québec. We are their biggest oil exporter, but that is mainly Alberta, not Québec. While i don't disagree that they would take it over as another state in a heart beat, Québec would never do that, that's why the US would most likely support Canada.

Also, i wasn't saying that the Brittish would be against us, i'm saying they would favor Canada (which can mean the same thing).

As you can see, I can speak english, i'm bilingual... My father's side speaks english. They got Irish and Scottish roots. My parents where raised in Ontario. I'm not a racist who hates all non-pure Québecers (Hell, i'm not even one myself, though i was born and raised here). However, what pisses me off, is when you go to other provinces and talk to some of the locals... I don't know if the adults are the same, but the anti-french hate I feel most of the time really gets on my nerve. All the federalists down here talk about 'we are ONE contry and people and bla bla bla, and that we are all friends, and that Quebec is respected and no longer opresses and bla bla bla', but when you saw all that anti-french hate outside Québec, you just feel like telling them to 'stfu'.

Anyways, Québec Mod thread always end up like this :lol:
I stay with my original statement... I find the mod is garbage, and suggest using the data given in the post my link (in sig) refers to...

[QUOTE=Averdris]Then The americans would NOT sympathy with Canada, thats such BS I have to say. They want Quebec to seperate more than people who live in it. They would take over Quebec as another state in a heart beat.QUOTE]

I somewhat disagree... Don't forget their paranoia (no offense). They would defenatly not want an 'unstable situation' right at their borders... and they got their trade agreements with Canada, not Québec. We are their biggest oil exporter, but that is mainly Alberta, not Québec. While i don't disagree that they would take it over as another state in a heart beat, Québec would never do that, that's why the US would most likely support Canada.

Also, i wasn't saying that the Brittish would be against us, i'm saying they would favor Canada (which can mean the same thing).

As you can see, I can speak english, i'm bilingual... My father's side speaks english. They got Irish and Scottish roots. My parents where raised in Ontario. I'm not a racist who hates all non-pure Québecers (Hell, i'm not even one myself, though i was born and raised here). However, what pisses me off, is when you go to other provinces and talk to some of the locals... I don't know if the adults are the same, but the anti-french hate I feel most of the time really gets on my nerve. All the federalists down here talk about 'we are ONE contry and people and bla bla bla, and that we are all friends, and that Quebec is respected and no longer opresses and bla bla bla', but you saw all that anti-french hate outside Québec, you just feel like telling them to 'stfu'.

Anyways, Québec Mod thread always end up like this :lol:
I stay with my original statement... I find the mod is garbage, and suggest using the data given in the post my link (in sig) refers to...

You said "All the federalists down here talk about 'we are ONE contry and people and bla bla bla, and that we are all friends, and that Quebec is respected and no longer opresses and bla bla bla', but you saw all that anti-french hate outside Québec, you just feel like telling them to 'stfu'."

I agree 100% with that because I live with that everyday, currently living in another province. But yeah i hate getting the anti french crap i deel with everyday. its BS i delt with it my whole life and ppl think they R just joking or whatever but it DOES HURT.

Yes, I admit the anti-French nonsense is absurd. For example, to this day, you will still find no shortage of conservative old farts hanging around doughnut shops in Manitoba, b*tching about official bilingualism, a policy which was enacted more than forty years ago. Get over it, people!
But at the same time, there is a widespread feeling that English Canada has been making conciliatory gestures since the sixties, gestures which are continously slighted by successive Quebec governments, who want greater and greater concessions.
You say you want recognition. What precisely would recognition entail?
I am genuinely curious.

I don't want to force the rest of Canada into learning french, but i also don't want french-speaking people to be forced to learn english for govermental jobs. The way i see it that's one of the main problems with official bilingualism, especially when only a certain region speaks the second language.

Anyways, the way i feel is that the language should not be imposed on others (loi 101 is an 'exeption' if you want...), which is partly why i'm for a souvraign Québec. It's own goverment could be French, Canada's could be english, and no one would be forced to learn a language they might never use. As I said, i think differently about loi 101, because immigrants who knew neither languages always opted for english, even though they were in a french province.

Also, though i'm not an expert in the field and don't know what the full repercussions would be, i think that the Eastern Townships should be traded off in negotiations with Canada on a YES vote, because we would probably end up to them what we always denounced others of doing to us...

Ya, a note on that... While Canada plays more fairly with Québec, it's still not fair, making laws that work against Québec... Such as the 'Referendum Clarity' law (or something like that), which requires 60% pour a referendum to pass (since when does democracy work with a 60% rule! It should be a 50%+1 rule...), which could 'cause trouble on a 50-60% YES vote...

I don't want to force the rest of Canada into learning french, but i also don't want french-speaking people to be forced to learn english for govermental jobs. The way i see it that's one of the main problems with official bilingualism, especially when only a certain region speaks the second language.

Anyways, the way i feel is that the language should not be imposed on others (loi 101 is an 'exeption' if you want...), which is partly why i'm for a souvraign Québec. It's own goverment could be French, Canada's could be english, and no one would be forced to learn a language they might never use. As I said, i think differently about loi 101, because immigrants who knew neither languages always opted for english, even though they were in a french province.

Also, though i'm not an expert in the field and don't know what the full repercussions would be, i think that the Eastern Townships should be traded off in negotiations with Canada on a YES vote, because we would probably end up to them what we always denounced others of doing to us...

Ya, a note on that... While Canada plays more fairly with Québec, it's still not fair, making laws that work against Québec... Such as the 'Referendum Clarity' law (or something like that), which requires 60% pour a referendum to pass (since when does democracy work with a 60% rule! It should be a 50%+1 rule...), which could 'cause trouble on a 50-60% YES vote...

Honestly? I don't like the clarity act either (what do you expect, it was created by the Reform party :vomit:), although probably for different reasons than your own. If it's any consolation, I would want Canada to recognize a 'yes' victory, even if I wouldn't hope for one, and I consider a simple majority to be necessary.

However: If Canada is divisible, than so is Quebec.

This is kind of unrelated, but as for official bilingualism, I've never really seen the argument against it; people are already expected to learn things like math and history in school, why not another language? The only problem is that they're not very good at teaching French in Western Canada, mainly, I suspect, because the governments, for political reasons, rarely allocate adequate funding.

But this is getting pathetically off-topic. I move that we both recognize that our positions on Federalism are philosophically irreconcilable and do what people on both sides of this debate have been doing for the last forty years: getting bored and moving on.

I which is partly why i'm for a souvraign Québec. It's own goverment could be French, Canada's could be english,


Of couse with the set up of Both area I think it would end with Both have English and Freach personal I for a joint Canada but I think every one should be educated in Freach if they speak English at home and English if the other way around in India many state do all education in English for Learning I think it would work great after abotu 20 years

Yes, I admit the anti-French nonsense is absurd. For example, to this day, you will still find no shortage of conservative old farts hanging around doughnut shops in Manitoba, b*tching about official bilingualism, a policy which was enacted more than forty years ago. Get over it, people!

You hit the nail on the head - age has a lot to do with it. Over time, things will continue to change and the arguments will be much different.

after the laws that recently passed that east indians are allowed to carry their 'religious' knifes in SCHOOLS (which by the way are illegal in their country because they are fanatics) Quebec should seperate. Minority have more rights than the majority. They live here so they should accept the laws or leave and go back to there true homeland. ITs not even their relgion its not even in their bible!

I hope Quebec does seperate because Canadas courts are *bleeped* up. OTherwise im the Paladin religion and im carrying my crusader sword around because its my religion. oh yeah since im more modern im carrying my hand gun!

SO see how radiculous it is! Kids in schools will get punked around and feel threatened its such BS. Quebec should seperate if the Country doesnt do anything about it! Which I know they wont.... i am very angry... :mad:

here we go I just found this on google. I'll send my kids in our paladin religion to school....

http://www.z123.org/fnordbear/hmpics/paladin_modern.gif

Yeah, i agree. While i don't mind for those individuals of that religion to carry such knives, for i see them as honerable, i don't trust the rest of the world that might pass off as one of them. That law has place for too much abuse, too great a risk. Weapons of all types should be banned... Otherwise beware my holy AK-47! 'and jesus said: thou shalt have an AK-47'!

"If I am stabbed by a symbolic knife, will I die a symbolic death?"

But it seems stupid to blame Canada for this decision: Quebec leads in judicial activism: Chaouilli, anyone?

true but Quebec voted against it

Quebec should seperate. Minority have more rights than the majority.

You should probably re-read that.

You should probably re-read that.

Its true the minority have more rights than the majority of Quebec let a lone all of Canada. This country is backwards.

Great work! A good mod.

France may support Quebec...but I have the sneaking suspicion that British and American sympathies would lie with Canada. This wouldn't prevent a civil war; in fact, these would be the makings of a particularly ugly one.
But let us hope that if the possibility ever arrises, the peoples of both Canada and Quebec can use whatever wisdom we have to avoid it.


"In the case of the independance of Québec", France will defend Québec if the independance is obtained by the right way. And don't make a mistake about it, it will be done with or without ONU's or EU's agreements. British and American can't be part of a war to attack a free nation specially when it means declare war to France. France declaring war to Canada to defend Québec, i really don't think it's going to happen. Canada is, like us, a country of rights and freedom.

In fact, Canadian (like French) have to accept the decision of the Quebecois : if they want to stay in Canada, they will and if they want to get their independance, they will too.

Sorry i'm out of the topic but i wanted to say this.

for most of you, you are all out of the topic.

ther's more to the picture than meets the eye... open up

for most of you, you are all out of the topic.

ther's more to the picture than meets the eye... open up


Well that's an eye-opener! :rolleyes:

Too bad yacco aint there anymore for to to knock some sense into him...

The download isn't working at my house... Can it be avaible again please?

The creator seems to have left the forums. Doesn't matter too much since the mod sucked. The fact he is away might have screwed up his links...

If anybody has modding skills I made a post with all necessary info, which can be found in one on my sig's links.

A Quebec civ should really have Samuel de Champlain. And Coureurs des bois were smugglers. If you want a better scout unit, try the Voyageur.
Exact! Actually, the real Quebec's UU units were called Voltigeurs. They were the main oposition to the first US invasion attempt right after they've won their revolution against England (targeting Quebec City), and were used as some Special Elite Force by the English army in North America/Canada then after, and before the mounties were considered as such near the end of the late 1800's century.

The activities of the coureurs des bois contributed to the rapid expansion of the territory of New France
True. But... They were more like nowadays "trappeurs" than anything else, doing illicit fur trades in regards to recognized traders by the King of France (not smugglers as some have said here, this is plain false and only some political point of vue, not historical). The real special unit for Quebec would be the Voltigeurs. They were actually the prominent force opposing the first unsuccessful US invasion attempt targeting Quebec City and then Montreal/Quebec (which is why that then after, USA mainly concentrated their pressure near the borders of Ontario). After the English invasion of New France, they were also used many times by the english army as a special hit force, a Unique Unit, even accompanying the troops that have burned down Washington and the White House as a retaliation to all those US invasion attempts... ;-)

Exact! Actually, the real Quebec's UU units were called Voltigeurs. They were the main oposition to the first US invasion attempt right after they've won their revolution against England (targeting Quebec City), and were used as some Special Elite Force by the English army in North America/Canada then after, and before the mounties were considered as such near the end of the late 1800's century.

I think he means "voyageurs" - French trappers and traders. They were actually my UU for my Civ III version of the Canada mod.

nevermind...

Oh fantastic. I can now play the biggest . .. .. .. .. .es in North America.

Please...let's just let this thread die. The mod doesn't work anyway.

Je suis outré en tant que Québécois que personne n'aie écrit en français sur ce topic depuis le début et je vais donc m'exprimer dans notre langue sacrée que seuls les élus peuvent maîtriser.

Ceux qui disent que le Québec ne mérite pas sa place parmis les civilisations de ce jeu que nous adorons tous ont tort ! Le Québec possède une culture (et presque une langue si on comptele joual) qui lui est propre et est totalement différente de celle du reste du Canada. Le Québécois et les autres Canadiens sont aussi différents que l'étaient les Sudistes et les Nordistes aux États-unis à l'époque de la guerre de Sécession ! Ce n,est pas parce qu'on fait parti (bien malgré nous) d'un même pays qu'on est tous pareils !

Eh oui, j'ai écrit tout ça pour absolument rien mais les modérateurs ne parlent probablement pas français et ne le sauront donc jamais !!!

Vive le Québec libre !

Ps: Le mod est excellent.

Je suis outré en tant que Québécois que personne n'aie écrit en français sur ce topic depuis le début et je vais donc m'exprimer dans notre langue sacrée que seuls les élus peuvent maîtriser.

Ceux qui disent que le Québec ne mérite pas sa place parmis les civilisations de ce jeu que nous adorons tous ont tort ! Le Québec possède une culture (et presque une langue si on comptele joual) qui lui est propre et est totalement différente de celle du reste du Canada. Le Québécois et les autres Canadiens sont aussi différents que l'étaient les Sudistes et les Nordistes aux États-unis à l'époque de la guerre de Sécession ! Ce n,est pas parce qu'on fait parti (bien malgré nous) d'un même pays qu'on est tous pareils !

Eh oui, j'ai écrit tout ça pour absolument rien mais les modérateurs ne parlent probablement pas français et ne le sauront donc jamais !!!

Vive le Québec libre !

Bien évidemment, comment un post sur un mod québécois peut ne pas virer en bataille souverainiste-fédéraliste avec des "perles" de propagande souverainistes ?

As a unique unit, you should add the Van Doos!!! WW1 elite infantry unit...

The famous Quebec VAN DOOS (exclusively francophone infantry unit), featuring Paul Triquet! At the beginning, it was only a battalion amongst others, but the heroic and even epic actions got them the Victoria Cross and the "legion d'honneur" after WW1 (Paul Triquet - only two received these highest marks of recognition during the 1st WW for the canadian army, rarely given to foreign soldiers at that time). Thus they became an elite force, renamed "Royal" so as to emphasis their bravery (elite crown battalions were renamed Royal, and they were the only canadian unit to be renamed as such, for true heroism, bravery and efficiency - based in Quebec city since 1921, and Montreal at their inception in 1914 when they were named "22e bataillon")...

Royal 22nd Regiment: Canada's Fighting 'Van Doos' - CBC
http://archives.cbc.ca/IDD-1-71-579/conflict_war/van_doos/

Note: Van Doos comes from "vingt deuxième", as pronounced by an anglophone (without the "ième" at the end, too complicated to pronouce..lol)

Bien évidemment, comment un post sur un mod québécois peut ne pas virer en bataille souverainiste-fédéraliste avec des "perles" de propagande souverainistes ?

Comment ça de la propagande ? Apparemment tu n'as jamais entendu parler de la révolution tranquille, ni des traitements qu'on réservais aux Québécois (qu'on appelait alors des "canadiens français") pendant et avant cette époque. Alors oui, je crois que c'est important le peuple ne perdre pas foi en nos idéaux d'indépendance. Et si tu ne crois pas le Québec mérite d'être un pays, tu n'es pas un Québécois... tu es un :blush: Canadien:blush: .

@New Pharaoh

Tu agis vraiment en "petit-québécois-replié-sur-toi-même-contre-méchants anglais" en critiquant l'usage de l'Anglais ici. Bordel, est-ce qu'on voit souvent les Polonais, les Hispanophones ou les Russes écrire dans leur langue ici.
C'est un board anglophone, car c'est la langue qui permet au plus de monde possible de se comprendre. Point final.
Utiliser l'Anglais sur un board Anglophone, c'est se comporter de manière polis avec les autres utilisateurs. Ce n'est pas un geste politique. Ce n'est pas un recul de la langue française en général.

Au fait, je suis souverainiste et il faut être con et fermé sur soi en tabarnak pour dire qu'un Québécois qui veut rester à l'intérieur du Canada n'est pas un Québécois.

Il y a PLEIN de raisons DIVERSES pour ne pas souhaiter la souveraineté du Québec. Certaines sont économiques, d'autres sont politiques, d'autres encore sont identitaires. Il y a plein de gens qui se sentent d'abord Québécois avant d'être Canadiens et qui ne veulent pas de la souveraineté. De la même façon, il y a plein de Catalan qui se sentent catalan avant d'être Espagnol et qui ne veulent pas l'indépendance de la Catalogne.
Qui es-tu pour tous les rejeter? Qui es-tu pour dire qu'ils sont moins Québécois que toi? Tu n'as pas le monopole de ce qui est Québécois.

La vie est faites de nuances et de complexités.

Au fait, souhaiter l'indépendance du Québec, ne veut pas dire qu'il faut haïr ou mépriser le Canada ou la langue Anglaise. Ça c'est du nationalisme revanchard. Je suis pour une souveraineté constructive et non revancharde. Je n'ai pas de rancune envers le reste du Canada que je cherche à passer lorsque je voterai oui au prochain référendum. Il y a de meilleures raisons d'être pour la souveraineté du Québec que la rancune.