Iroquois Monarch Civ Succesion Game

Order

asaegyn - 2nd round completed
Pggar - 2nd round completed
Grey Fox - 2nd round completed
Hennessey - 1st round in progress

Difficulty: Monarch
Turns per Player : 20
Map Size: Standard
Civ: Iroquois
Barbs: Raging

Other things will be set at random, or if ppl have preferences then they might be changed.

Rules:

You are required to verify that you have gotten the saved game within 24hrs by posting an "i got it" message.

Afterwhich you will have another 24 hour period to play.

All posts and saved games will be conducted on this forum, unless some difficult intervenes.

Current "Big" Picture:

I'll play.
Here's my mail.
pgg@ieg.com.br

Edit: Btw, I think 5 players is a good number of players. If one or two drops, it is still no problem. 6 players might be a little too much.
You should advertize the game in the sticky thread as I believe lots of players have subscribed to it.

Hey, i'm rather quite new to such internet forums, and well i have no idea what that sticky thread you speak of is.

(btw, alright 2 more free spots available then - and how about reducing the number of turns from 20 to 15?)

the sticky thread is the thread located towards the top. It is called open spots in succession games. You can post there and anyone who can play will notify you. When you post, make sure you direct them to sign up on this thread so that they don't fill the sticky thread with signups as the moderator has asked us not to. P.S. I can't play this game but if u need ill sign up later.

I would like to join your game, could I?

I can play pretty good on Monarch and I manage quite good on emperor (that's what I'm currently play the most)... so can I join the game?

My freind Silverblade might be interested too...

our emails

GREY FOX: frst01@student.bth.se
SilverBlade: frpa01@student.bth.se

I would also to join if that's ok. I'm about as good as Grey Fox, though slightly lacking in the expansion speed.

But I'm a devil with money, so the treasure should be high with me playing. Played a lot of hard difs before, so the dif is no problem for me.

Count me in mates.

- Sweden has once ruled half of Europe in the history:cool:

Hey, alright, i think we have our 5 pplz - (and it didn't matter if monarch was difficult for you, cuz then the other ppl would have a nice time tryign to dig out of the holes made ::p )

any how, so the list of ppl right now is

asaegyn (me)
my friend who as of yet does not have a civfanatic account
Pggar
Grey Fox
Silverblade

The decision now is to decide what civ we play. post here with your choice, and hopefully we'll have a game started by tomorrow.

and now, for the five words of swedish i know:

Jag ville dansa och sjunga!

My Vote goes for the Iroquois. I have never played with them before, but I always wanted too. Their Special unit the Mounted Warrior seems interesting.

The fact that they are Expansionist and Religous, make them an interesting civ...

I really like Copernicus Obs. and I love the Sistine Chapel so thats my choice...

Well I can tell you other guys that the Iroquois never have been played by me, so my vote will go to them.

The vote result will now be two votes on Iroquois, this isn't a pact from the two vikings. We just agreed to vote like that to see your reactions.

No I'm just joking. It would be nice to see what the vote result would be now.

I wouldn't minf playing the Egyptians, French or Iroquois. Any one of them would be fine.

Alright, then let's choose the Iroquois.

Would anyone object to the following rotation?

Me
Pggar
My Friend
Grey Fox
Silverblade


if not, then the first twenty should be done by tomorrow night (Eastern Canadian time - so i guess it'd be around midnight for you guys - sorry)

Silverblade and me should be playeng after each other, because we live in the same Time zone... this would make the time taken to play very fast...

So rearange so that we are the last ones in the list or so that silverblade plays right after me...

Edit: This change has been done, thank you...


I'm actually watching a movie about Hiawatha right now...

In The Beginning

At around 4000 BC, rumours came of a tribe that emanated in middle earth, who were to begin their trek in the canopy of the world. These were a purple people, who smoked pipes of weird stuffs, and hence they once decided that settlement would be a good idea.

And so, they set forth, and journeyed for several hundred years (one turn up onto a hill), where they founded the city of (sheesh i forget the name)

Meh, it is too late for me to write properly right now. in any event, summary of 20 turns.


Built capital city.
Got three techs from goodie huts.
Built three roads and 1 mine with worker
Built 1 warrior, settler will be finished next turn.
Contacted english.
explored.

very boring.

here is the saved game, and also a pic of starting position.


Pggar you are up next. reply within 24 hours saying you have it, or else it moves on... etc.
gl (and try to expand :goodjob: )

I'm playing.

Edit: Btw, you don't need to email me. I've subscribed to the thread so I'm notified (by email) everytime someone posts here. Anyway, if you want to email just to be sure, I don't have any objections.

First Act: I increased the science rate to 100%. We don't need the money right now. Bronze Working (BW) will be discovered in 10 turns (instead of 22).

2950bc - Pggar rises to power.
2900bc - Settler leaves Salamanca.
2800bc - Niagara Falls was founded.
2710bc - An English warrior appeared next to our borders. They only have BW, so I don't do trade with them, since will get it in 3 turns.
2350bc - We've met the Egyptians. They're technologically inferior.
2270bc - Grand river was founded. This should be our settler building city. The next ruler will have to irrigate the Wheat tiles.
2150bc - Finished my turn.

Summary
We have the tech lead and the same number of cities as the English (the Egyptian have only two cities). I'm not into wars right in the beginning of the game, so I didn't start one. The next player should do it if it fits him. As I said Grand River should be used as our settler center. Salamanca (capital) should start an earlier Wonder. I didn't find any huts in my turn :(. The fact that we have another expansionist civ next to us doesn't help. I think before we move on, we should destroy the English. It's very important that we make a road to one beaver (furs) since Salamanca's border will grow in the next 21 turns. Grand River is producing a warrior because there's a horde of barbs following our scout to the southeast of GR, but after Salamanca builds the settler, it would probably finish the warrior sooner than GR.

That's it. Good luck to the next player. I'm attaching a picture to the thread if someone has a connection problem and can't load pics, tell me, and I'll remove it. Ive put it in the zip file also as we don't have size problems with the sav file for now.

Edit: Uploaded smaller picture.

The white marks in the picture are potential city locations.

Here's the game.

In Despotism, there is no need for Irrigation on Grassland. Because the improvement gives nothing... every improvement that raises the start value over 2 is cut. So it's useless... the only time a value over 2 is allowed in despotism is when there is a cow or a wheat on grassland.

Just a Tip...

Originally posted by Grey Fox
In Despotism, there is no need for Irrigation on Grassland. Because the improvement gives nothing... every improvement that raises the start value over 2 is cut. So it's useless... the only time a value over 2 is allowed in despotism is when there is a cow or a wheat on grassland.

Just a Tip... So here's my tip. I learned this in my last succession game. Bonus tiles are not included within grassland restrictions. Besides that, the Wheat tiles, which I'm referring to in my log, are not grassland tiles. They are food plain tiles and don't stay within the restrictions either.

Those irrigations should be used in our capital and our production settler city as they need to grow fast.

Hope that cleared things up a little. :goodjob:

Edit: Misspelling

Thanks Pggar! I didn't know that... can you irrigate cows too?

If this is true, then the wheat town should become good despot rush city.

Edit: Why are the mountains colored grey on the picture?Where can I get that modpack?

I believe any bonus tile can be irrigated. I'm quite sure about cows. They are the best spot because when irrigated they give 4 food and 1 production.

Ok. But do you get the bonus in despotism. (The bonus from irrigation, that is)

Yes, you get the bonus in despotism. You can check the game. I irrigated a wheat tile in Salamanca.

About modpacks:
As I only use graphic ones (so far I edit my rules when I want to), I can give you some advice about them. This modpacks make the game more enjoyable to look.

Graphic modpacks you must get:
-Evanciv's Population Heads with Tiny Mood Badges (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9362)
-Il mafioso's Improved Wonder pics (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7630)
-Sn00py's Terrain Graphics Modpack (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8969)

You could get one of this mods that gives you info in the build queue. I don't use them since it cluster the city view a little (my opinion):
-Il Mafioso's Civ3 Usability Pack 1.0 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8079)
-Nemo's build queue with easy to understand info (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9675)

I also use my modpack that puts labels on resources to make them easier to locate. The link is in my signature.

Hmm, i had never considered putting science at 100% in early game at monarch or higher. what i always do is try to get gold to trade for techs since i assume i am going to fall behind anyways. i dunno, does 100% science work?

and i think we should definitely take the english out, as thereafter we will have a nice central continental capital which probably won't need moving, as well as having a relative bottleneck connecting us to the other civs on our continents..

anyhow, i also haven';t been able to contact my friend, so Grey Fox, why don't you go ahead and take his turn, and then Silverblade, and my friend will be at the end, so it will be like this:

me
Pggar
Grey Fox
Silverblade
my friend

gl

Ok, I'll start playing immediately...

But my mouse isn't working so I have to use my touch board on my laptop...

Edit: It's a good idea to research on 10% for the first 5-10 turns, at least in the ancient era, and then increase it to 100%, you'll get the tech almost as fast as if you would have had the research at 100% the hole time...

Good Mod-tips by the way

1: 2110 BC ---

2: 2070 BC A warrior sees some yellow lines in the Southwest.

4: 1990 BC The Warrior sees som green lines next to the Yellow lines.

5: 1950 BC Our Sages discover The Wheel. Their are horses to our west and east of the english territory.

6: 1910 BC We trade Alphabet for Iron Working and 41 Gold with the Russians. The Green people was the Aztecs. Salamanca is built on Iron.

7: 1870 BC

8: 1830 BC Allegheny is built, North of Salamanca.

9: 1790 BC Worker built in Grand River.

10: 1750 BC --- 1650 BC

15: 1625 BC Traded Writing for 86 Gold by the English.

16: 1600 BC Our only source of Iron is exhousted. There is a new source East of our territory.

17: 1575 BC ---

18: 1550 BC A barbarian horseman pillaged Grand River. Some of the People were lost.

19: 1525 BC The town of Cattaraugus is built near a horse. Temple is built in the capital. The Building of pyramids are started.

20: 1500 BC The cultural influence of Salamanca increases, bringing furs to our people. We got 25 gold when razing a barbarian village.


http://medieteknik.bth.se/frst01/iroquois2.jpg

EDIT: A war against the english is a must... but we might want to wait for us to get Horses... so that we can build Mounted warriors.

1450 - Keep building terrain improvements

1375 - Same as above

1350 - People loves me palace improvement

1325 - Egyptian contact, they offer contact with the persians for 10 golds, we take it, the egypts have four cities.

1300 - Start building roads to the horse

1275 -

1250 -

1225 - Contact Persia for 1 gold we get math

1200 - Settler constructed, heads out for new ground to expand

1175 - Attacks a barbarian camp and gets 25 golds

1150 - Founds a city Oil Spring


Not much happend this playround.

Hello
sorry but i cant play this turn... thats all

:D

Alright, then it is my turn.. i will post by sometime tonite EST.

the order of turns is as what was most recently posted...

shouild we expand a little more, or go after england right hwne we get the horses?

I think Silveblade built a road to bring horses to every City. So you should be able to build the Mounted Warriors immediately...

Remember that if you Despot Rush in one town... it's wise to Rebuild that town when all wars are over. We don't wan't any sad civs, do we?

1. 1125 BC - Workers building roads...

2. 1100 BC - Settler Built - changed production to MW

3. 1075 BC - not much happened

4. 1050 BC - not much happened

5. 1025 BC - Worker Built production switched ot MW

6. 1000 BC - SEttler sees barb comp, waiting for SM

7. 975 BC - Settler Built switched prod to MW

8. 950 BC - Not much happened

9. 925 BC- Same stuff

10. 900 BC - first MW built - discover location of russians - start building road to Furs

11. 875 BC - raided barb comp.

12. 850 BC - Tonawanda built, will have whale and fish when it expands, until then it is crap but will be good in late game, we lose

explorer to barbs.

13. 825 BC - Found Mauch Chunk at iron site 1. 1 other mountain city ought to be built where there are 3 gems. Hmm, at then end of

this turn the Russians demand Terr Map and 17 gold, i refuse, they declared war.

14. 800 BC - I establish and embassy with Russian neighbours the Aztecs, They give me Twenty gold, and they accept an alliance

versus the Russians, the Aztecs are now Gracious towards us. For 80 Gold and our World Map, the English give us Code of Laws and

contact with the Chinese. I trade Code of Laws to the chinese for Map Making. Ppl want more money than i want to trade for Polytheism,

and i think we'll get many tech off the english soon enough, i am waiting for at least 5 MW before i attack them.

15. 775 BC- nothing much happened. barbs attacked Cattaragus, got defeated and ppl decided to add to my palace

16. 750 BC - Egypt allies with English vs Aztecs. English forces should be gone from the homeland soon, hehe. Workers moved to

near Salamanca as it is a size 7 city, to develop the plains/grasslands.

17. 730 BC - Our wandering warrior in russian territory is mowed down by russian archers, a barb cut off horse supply, we have 4 MW's

and a SW, i am building spearmen, and barracks

18. 710 BC - one MW sent to protect our further away cities. Ahhh, the Russians build the Pyramids 20 turns before we can.

Production switched to Oracle (8 Turns)

19. 690 BC - ACK French built the Oracle, dunno what to do with teh production. Persians allie with English vs the Aztecs, looks like

they will be falling soon.

20. 670 BC - ACK ACK, prod autoswitched to Courthouse (nothing else i could put it on) we would have gotten construction in 1 turn

for GW. Moved units close to a hill near Nottingham for attack by my successor.

I think we ought to make peace with the Russians soon.


gl Pggar.

A city should be built where the Green dot is...
http://medieteknik.bth.se/frst01/indians.jpg

AND PLEASE, DO NOT USE A RIGHT OF PASSAGE DEAL WHEN FIGHTING AGAINST THE ENGLISH. THAT WILL MAKE IT EXTREMLY HARD TO GET IT FROM ANOTHER CIV

Got the game. :goodjob:

630bc - Construction researched.
530bc - Oil Springs, Allegeny and Grand River built Temples.
510bc - Finished researching Philosophy. Closed a peace deal with Russia. They got tmap and 85gold while we got Polytheism and Literature. They went from Furious to Polite.
430bc - Declared war on English (as they keep getting into our territory). Destroyed their road to horses. Killed 3 horsemen, 2 warriors and 1 spearman (captured 2 workers). Our Golden Age has started.
410bc - Killed 2 warrior and 1 archer. Lost a Mounted warrior.
350bc - Horseman killed trying to kill one swordsman in a hill. Archer attracted by the same unit. Nottinghan isn't guarded now. Nottinghan (size 1) was destroyed, 2 spearman were killed and 2 workers were captured.
330bc - Killed an archer.
310bc - Horseman killed trying to ambush a mounted warrior.
290bc - 2 spearman killed in York.
270bc - York was captured. St. Regis was founded.
250bc - Discovered Currency. We're the first holders of it. Be careful when trading it, since Russians and Chinese are scientific and they'll get ahead of us because of the free tech. However, they're willing to gives us some gold, money and monarchy. Since we don't have anarchy and we're still on our Golden Age, it might be a good idea to change the government. I'll leave the advance choice to the next player. I think Republic might be good.

The settler being finished in Salamanca should go to the gem spot we're discussing since this game begun.
Our military is average, but it is growing. The English army is pathetic. You should finish them. They're willing to give only Canterbury in exchange for peace. That's not a good trade off.
The picture shows the places where I was going to build cities. Be careful because there's a horde of barbarians in that spot. The fortified spearman killed about 7 horsemen already. Get rid of them an secure some silk sources.

Good Luck GF.

Here's the file.

GL again! :goodjob:

If we are going to keep Waring... if we should change it, we should change it to Monarchy... but then we can't despot rush!

Hey Grey Fox, in case my previous message wasn't clear, i think this is the order we will be following from now on:

asaegyn
Pggar
Grey Fox
Silverblade
Hennessey

So, it would thus be your turn :).

And i think we should take one more english city, get two cities from them, and then wait a little bit, and hopefully we can harvest them for techs or something like... or not?

And in general, i didn't know this, why is monarchy better than despotism for warring?
gl:king: :confused:

How does one attach an image without hosting it on another site (Pggar)...

thnx.

Originally posted by asaegyn
How does one attach an image without hosting it on another site (Pggar)...The same way you attach a zip file. The problems are that you can only attach one picture (or file for that matter) per post (that's why I attach the saved game and the pic in different posts) and that your picture have to be within the 500k limit size of attachments.
Try to post jpg files as they are smaller and unlike bmp files the picture is shown in the post.

Oh It's my turn!? Then I'll post the save In a couple of hours, I'm going to to my Math class, then I have Object Programming (Java)... Me and a Freind is making a game of the anime FLCL as a projekt, if you know what that is...

Okey I'll download in about 10 Hours Max


EDIT: No, Monarchy is better then Republic for Waring... someone suggested that we would switch to republic or something...

Hey Grey Fox, 48 hours have passed, and there has been no post :cry:

So Silverblade you are up.
gl

Oops I totally forgot...

Well I play REAL fast and post quickly...

Silverblades out by the way...

Ok, I've started playing... and the first thing I do is getting our selves a leader...

What should we do with him?

1: 230 BC A great leader appears, Shenandoah is his name.

3: 190 BC London is ours.

4: 170 BC We raze another English city. We get

Warwick, Hastings, World Map and 98 Gold for peace.

5: 150 BC We build Centralia and attack England.

12: 10 BC Our Golden Age ends.

10 AD - 170 AD Nothing special...

It's up to the next leader to decide what to do with the leader... but it might be good with a forbidden palace somewhere in Old England...

Well the english has two cities down in the mountains...

we can trade one for peace...

Try to destroy them before changing to Republic.

And there is also some annoying Chinese and France cities near and within our borders...

Here is the save:

A

From tuesday to thursday I'm really busy due to college, so I can't make any comments on the game. But you can rest assured that when my time comes I won't miss it. SG sometimes lag like this. If you implement the skipping rule, the game won't lag.

You know that Silverblade's not playing this game anymore, Right?

So the next player can play...

UPDATE: What has hapened to this game? It has totally stopped! And we have a leader and everything... if the next player don't post soon and tell us he forgot to play or he passes or that he is going to play or something VERY soon... I suggest we drop the current player, and continue the game...

Asaegyn, I think it's your turn.
Hennessey is taking too long!