Political Role Play

http://www.manifestes.com/images/ingsoc.gif
English Socialism

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

The Goals and Ideas of IngSoc

Ingsoc exsists for the purpose of Expanding the Nation of *Oceania.

*Oceania is the surpreame nation and all other nations deserve to be removed.

The Party is all knowing.

Because the party is all knowing it is trusted with the care of all people.

The worst of all crimes is that of thought.


Thought Crimes

The party holds the right to eliminate the people if they seem to be a threat.

Any one who seems strange is probably commiting thought crime.

If a member thinks someone else of thought crime should tell the thought police imidiatley.

Anyone who turns in a member of the upper party for thought crime will take over their position.

Thought police hold extreme authority and have the right to remove any member of the upper party if necesary.

Big Brother is the only one allowed to overturn a thought Crime.

If a upper party member is removed they are allowed to stay as members of the party.

Ordinary party member can not be acused of thought crime.

Their will be 3 thought police who will be appointed by the Upper Party.


The Party and Foreign Policy

The party considers all other countries to be evil and corrupt.

Since other nations are evil, it is our job to destroy them. Through war if necesasary.

communication with all inferrior nations is unnecesary.

Oceania though the most deserveing nation in the world must have freinds, so for every nation we are at war with we must have one allie.

No city will be raised. The work force produced from that city is necesary.


Party Members

All citizens of *Oceania are broken up into 4 groups.
Proles
Outer Party Members
Inner Party Members
Big Brother

Proles are CivFanatics Members not registered in the Citizens registry. Proles are to be considered dangerous, and though discouaged party members are allowed to comunicate with them

A Oridanry Party Members is any one registered in the citizens registry. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=132266)

Their are four upper party members. The Upper Party members comunicate between Big Brother and the Other members.

The upper party members agree on a Big Brother between them. Big Brother with the help of the upper party will decide on the affaris of the Party. Big Brother is Big Brother till the end of the demogame.


Leagues

Leagues are sub groups of the party.

If a Leagues wants to be connected with the pary it's title must be"The Party: -insert-" it also must include the entire section of this post on INGSOC.

Legues should also not be surprised if The Party asks them for favors.


INGSOC and Religion

The Party will have not have free religion.

Since a lack of religion is not an option the party wishes to have compleate controll over are religion in *Oceania and all parts of the world. Therefore Theocracy will be the goal religious civic.


INGSOC and the Economy

The Party wishes to control the entire economy. For the party knows what is best for the people of *Oceania.

Because of it's views on Economy, the party wishes for the goverment to be Beuracracy and State Property.


The Ministries of the Party

Minitrue or the Ministry of Truth controlls the press of the Party. They also are devoted to advanceing NewSpeak.

Minipax or the Ministry of Peace is in charge of the war and the strategies that the Party will support.

Miniluv or the Ministry of Love consists of the thought police. Their goal is to deal with those acused of thought crime.

Miniplenty or the Ministry of Pleanty is in charge of the resources that the party will seak out.

Joining one of the Ministies

All members are asked to join a Ministry.

Once in a ministry it is asked that you put the name of the ministry in your signature.

A list of Ministries that are looking for members is in the next post.

All members of the upper party are required to join a open party. The Upper Party Members are set as the head of the Ministry they are in.

NewSpeak within The Party

NewSpeak is the official language of *Oceania.

NewSpeak is a branch off of English that is constantly eliminateing words.

NewSpeak is unique by being the only language to have a decreasing vocabulary.

Why have the word great when you could have plusgood of ro really good things double plus good. Bad can easily be replaced with ungood. It is things like this that allow Newspeak to remove words daily.

See Wikki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak)

Other Party Goals

The party wishes to be the major political party of the demogame.

The Party primary objective is to create a state within the nation known as Oceania.

THe above goal is only to be persude if Oceania is not the name of our country.

The Party wishes to be the party controlling the majority of people in the goverment.


Roll Playing within the Party

As should be obvious by now this is not just a Roleplaying thread.

The Party tries to be both a fun place for the citizens to roleplay, but it also intends on being a real political force.

If you wish to have a better idea of the Party Read the Book HERE (http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/1984/)

*Will be changed to the name of our Country

http://www.shanghaiist.com/attachments/shang_dan/1984-Big-Brother-Poster.jpg



Party News

-THE PARTY WANTS YOU, join now.

-Check out our site: http://theparty1984.blogspot.com/

-We are at war with Eurasia. We have allways been at war with Eurasia. We must destroy them.

-The Game has STARTED, Our first city founded.

Ministries (open)

-MiniPax (Nuclear Kid, Illini Rule, Mmmm Butter)
-MiniTrue (I am the Future, RoboPig)
-MiniPlenty (Chopper Head, victor895, Koondrad)
-MiniLuv (Dr. Yoshi, Armed Maniac, -OPEN-)

Links

1984 and Wikki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four)
1984 Summary (http://www.gerenser.com/1984/index.shtml)
The Book (http://www.mondopolitico.com/library/1984/1984.htm)
NewSpeak Dictionary (http://www.newspeakdictionary.com/index-man.html)

Positions

Big Brother
I am the Future

Inner Party
RoboPig
Koondrad
Mmmm Butter
The Condor

Thought Police
Dr. Yoshi
Armed Maniac
-OPEN-


Active Members
I am the Future
RoboPig
Illini Rule
Nobody
Armed Maniac
Chopper Head
Mmmm Butter
Koondrad
The Condor
Dr. Yoshi
Kingangel1026
victor895
xyourxmomxcorex
Nuclear Kid

Leages
The Spies League (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=147126)

The Principles of NewSpeak
The Official Party Language

In NewSpeak, adding words is discouraged, instead we decrease words. Why? Well what's the point of having a word like great when you can have plusgood? or amazing when there is doubleplusgood? what about bad, it can be replaced by minusgood, right? There are many words like this, but NewSpeak replaces them with better words, so that the language is a lean, mean literary machine.

Replacements
plus= the next level of the word
un= The opposite of the word
double= twice, double plus is twice more
Encouraged Words
good:
fast:
heavy:
smart:

*will be completed later

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Illini, robo you are both in. Illini I need to know what Ministry you would like to be a part of.

Also I would like to nominate Robo and myself for the upper party.

i will join your party as ordinary member

allright, so you dont want to be a Upper level Party Member

Not many members but, I would like to start the discussion on how many Upper Level Party Members and Thought police are necesary for the party to work. Elections to be held at a undisclosed date.

bloody Future thats the 3rd time you got me with that dam website link thingy !!!!

I'll join for Minluv

I'll join for Minluv
MiniLuv is not one of the open parties yet. it consist only of the thought police which have to be picked by the upper party.

bloody Future thats the 3rd time you got me with that dam website link thingy !!!!

yes, futures is good

MiniLuv is not one of the open parties yet. it consist only of the thought police which have to be picked by the upper party.

Ooops, sorry... i was kinda short on time when i read it so I probably missed that... I'm still short on time (launch break), so i'll get back to this later...

hmmm, let it be minpax then ;)

Future, edit the second post to include ordinary members please.

Future, edit the second post to include ordinary members please.
So Editied, It is not a compleate list however. For that got o the citizen Registry.

BUMP

In order to encurage new membership, I am bumping this thread to the top of the forum, remember I still need a lot more applications for the uupper party. And this is primarily a role playing thread with political ties.

i second my nomination to upper party! Future, its propoganda time! enlist n00bs at all costs! i will contact you!

ya Ill Join

what ministry do ya wana be in ChopperHead?

Don't care really just toss me in were ever you need people.
Id like to end up as a thought police eventually tho ;) :D

first post has had the terms Political Role Playing added to help avoid players benig discuraged by a totalitarian party. Though we are a totalitarian party, we do it in hte sence of fun for all people in the demogame

I've never played the previous versions of Civ, so this will obviously be my first experience with a game of democracy. I still don't understand fully how it works yet, been browsing through the forum. I read a few parties' pages, wished there was a Keg Party, but finding this, I feel the need to pledge my allegiance to Ingsoc. I'd like to be part of Minitrue, but if you'd need me elsewhere that's no problem. Just keep the gin coming, and the bliss shall ensue. :salute:

Edit: Apologies if I shouldn't be assuming you'd take any newcomer. I'm new to this stuff.

I've never played the previous versions of Civ, so this will obviously be my first experience with a game of democracy. I still don't understand fully how it works yet, been browsing through the forum. I read a few parties' pages, wished there was a Keg Party, but finding this, I feel the need to pledge my allegiance to Ingsoc. I'd like to be part of Minitrue, but if you'd need me elsewhere that's no problem. Just keep the gin coming, and the bliss shall ensue. :salute:

Edit: Apologies if I shouldn't be assuming you'd take any newcomer. I'm new to this stuff.
Welcome in, and around here it isnt Gin it is Victory Gin. I suggest reading the book if you have time.

Welcome in, and around here it isnt Gin it is Victory Gin. I suggest reading the book if you have time.


Sweet! :D

Oh, 1984's one of my all-time favorites... basically that and Brave New World top my list, I couldn't imagine how much more I'd have liked them had I been around during the cold war and all that. Doubleplusgood idea for a citizen group. :goodjob: I've read basically everything this site had to say about demo games, I got a pretty good understanding now I think. So, yeah, loved the book, and the gameplay style and civic choices of the group are pretty much exactly how I play, couldn't work out gooder. :beer:

I'll be changing the sig right after this post, btw.

Allright, the membership is rising. Anyone else want to run for upper party, 20 people max.

Now that their are 7 of us, I believe that discussions on how many Upper Party Members are necesary for The Party. I personally tink that my original idea was somewhat, optimistic. Right now I think I should amend the number to 6 one of which would become Big Brother. This amount wont be a far off goal if we get a few more members. PS I am looking for a early January PM election.

Mr. Future,

Can I join? There seems to be a shortage of members in the Miniplenty so I would be happy to join it. I wouldn't mind being in the Miniluv either but I understand it is being done by appointment.


Cheers,

The time comes for us to send massive waves of propoganda to all of those around. Anyone who is in the party and wishes to be get a spot as an upper party member must show proof of sending a PM to 15 people regidtered in the citizens registry that have a post count over 50. PM me a list of all of those you Pmed and a copy of the PM. Make sure taht their is a link to the thread in the PM.

Very well... however i'm short on time right now and I feel a headache comming so it's gonna have to wait...

the lists have been sent!

I want to join but what the heck do I do (new here)?

Condor what ministry do you wish to join, to find out what they do read the first post.

I propse that we stop at 5 upper party members, and 3 thought police. If I don't get any strong discuragement from our members within the next 24 hours it will be made law.

I am expressing interst in being a upper party dude but what then can't or can I do and what do I have to do to be able to do it? How do I not think (I can not think but why can't I if I wanted to)?

Post 30 explains how to be in the upper party. Only 3 seats left. You still need to be in a ministry though becuase in addition to being the legislative section of the Party they are also the leaders of their ministry.

Oh, well in that case I guess I will be one of the grunts. Also, I signed up on wherever Robopiggy and you said too.

I have added you to the Ministry of Plenty, please read the first post to find out your duties.

I will join Minipax.

Their is only one position left in the upper party.

i beleive that i should be big brother! a vote for me is a vote for strength in the establishment.
1). i will stand fairly and unbiased in the hearings of thought crimes.
2). I will push for the elimination of the vile and corrupt foreign nations
3). I will never ever encourage a rsolution which might do great damage to our glorious nation!

I vote that I should be Big Borther, for i have done a good job in orchestrateing the party in the past month and will do just as good as a job in the months to come. I also had the idea of the party and know IngSoc inside out. Those fo you who might be ruined by the thoughtpolice should not fear for I am here to help you sustaine power. I have read 1984 inside out. I also bvelieve that we should destroy East Asia/EurAsia. I Love Big Brother.


1 vote future 1 vote Robo

I

1 vote future 1 vote Robo
once the nominations are all in we should set up a real poll


I have read 1984 inside out
thats nothing i have read
1). ANimal Farm, so i know how to run a perfect society, ruled by the party
2). Mein kempf, to eliminate the foreigners

once the nominations are all in we should set up a real poll
If you read the setup their are 5 people who are needed for the upper party, out of those 5 an internal poll will take place where the upper party members decide oput of them selves a Big Brother therefore their will be 4 upper party members and 1 Big Brother. The Upper Party holds all of the position appointing power.

I have read both of those too ;)

I have read both of those too ;)
and my dad's buying me the little red book when he goes to china! so i know how to make em peasents work, work, work.

You like communism too I take it.

You like communism too I take it.
no, i just said that i was gonna read the little red book

Ah \, well back on topic.

their will be a special recognation includeing upper party hood, to the first person who can convince a member of another party to join ours.

If a vote is cast about the style of goverment I would like to strongly encurage our members to use the "flexible Goverment" It allows for those in power to appoint people of similair mind. theirfore makeing the controlling party, very controlling. SO If a member of The Party is elected I would hope that they only nominate other Party members, this way we try and keep supreme authority.

VOTE FLEXIBLE!!!

In regards to the vote for BB, I think the first should be Mr. Future. He has a vision for how he wants the party to work and by making him the first BB, we are establishing the structure of the party. Later, others can take over for him.

I agree and stuff.

I agree with above.

SO is it agreed that I am the official Big Brother.

If so then I would like to encurage us to "legalize" the position of the party on goverment inthe first post. I believe that the Flexible goverment is the way for us to go.

A poll is up on the style of government to focus on. Vote flexible everyone!



Click me for poll. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=147660)




Cheers,

Yes flexible, and again any non upper party member can become upper party members if they send PMs to 15 people telling them to a)join the party b)vote flexible

another option is c) send 10 pms to people containing a and b

I voted flexible because I would not dare go against big brother.

Got my vote in for flexible. Looks like the extra voting process gives The Party a better chance at unilateralism.

I would like to say that you shouldn't feel that you had to vote for flexible just because I said that i wanted it to be the goverment. Vote for what you want.

I did but knowing Big Brother was watching I would not want to displease him:D.

I did but knowing Big Brother was watching I would not want to displease him.
Ignorance is strength ;)

once the nominations are all in we should set up a real poll



thats nothing i have read
1). ANimal Farm, so i know how to run a perfect society, ruled by the party
2). Mein kempf, to eliminate the foreigners


You read Mein kempf! :eek: Mussolini, okay... but hitler, he's Language - warned.

Anyways, I read <<Que faire?>> (don't know title in english or original russian title), The communist manifesto and halfway through the Che biography (like 700 pages), so that would make me know lots on revolution :lol:

Though the party does not want this, so i will become :scan:

:crazyeye:

By the way, koonrad you dummy, you can't revcruit me, i'm already in!

By the way, koonrad you dummy, you can't revcruit me, i'm already in!

lolorz, just testing. :crazyeye:

I can not stress how important it is to send PMs to citizens requestring that they vote forflexible. A Pm along the line of:

it has been noticed that you have not been takeing an active role in the demogame. well it is never to late to start, why dont you join the party (Inset link) and while your at it vote for a flexible goverment(insert Link). Your decisions matter.

VOTE FLEXIBLE

Big BROTHER IS WATCHING





Comrade Robo has been detained by the Eurasians on the African Front durring a meeting to try and convince the Barbaric foreingers to surrender. Fret not for as we speak some of our best trained men are infiltrateing enemy lines to free him. I request that you all PM him with your condolences.

Temporary Placement of The Ideas and Principles of New Speak.
It is requested that all Party members use NewSpeak aas much as possible. Though Not required, advance use of new speak could leed to being appointed to high political positions.

I have reseaved mail from RoboPigs Jail Cell that he has come up with an early draft of the first NewSpeak Dictionary.

Nouns for now lay generally untuched, and verbs that are not listed are permitted, but when ever a member is looking to use a verb who has a simily listed is not permitted under the guide lines of newspeak.

NewSpeak Word - Does - Example

Un - opposite of - UnGood (bad)
Plus - Modifies adjectives to be better - Plus Good (great, super)
Double - Show things are of greater emotion - DoublePlusGood (Fantastic) DoublePlusUnGood (terrible)
It - Used to replace all singular pronouns - It jump.
They - Replace all plural pronouns - They jump.
Had - shows past tense - It had run.
Will - Shows future tense - It will run.
Run - verb - It plusrun.
Jump - verb - It jump.
Learn - verb - They had learn
Buy - verb - It buy.
Type - verb - They type plusgood.
Live - verb - They live.
Teach - verb - It had teach doubleplusgood.

The Praty official Site (Under Construction)
http://theparty1984.blogspot.com/

The Praty official Site (Under Construction)
http://theparty1984.blogspot.com/

Please spell my name correctly. :goodjob:

Please spell my name correctly. :goodjob:
sorry you should have mentioned that earlier. I fixed all of the spellings (I hope)

It's plusgood now.

ReVote for Flexible. It Is DoublePlusGood

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=148415



Also vote for NO TURN LIMITS

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=148349

ReVote for Flexible. It Is DoublePlusGood

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=148415



Also vote for NO TURN LIMITS

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=148349

The turn limits poll is doubleplusclose at the moment. One vote could make the difference.

Illini Rule is the final member of the inner party. I would like to strss all inner party members. To verse themselves in the Ideas of ingSoc. this extends to the thought police also.

sure I will join but what kind of party is it

but what kind of party is it
How do you mean?

sure I will join but what kind of party is it
Cool, if you want to know what type of party it is I would say Double Plus Good but for a more indepth view look into the first couple of posts.

Cool, if you want to know what type of party it is I would say Double Plus Good but for a more indepth view look into the first couple of posts.

He might not be sure of what the Demogame is about though. In the Commi Party thread we had someone asking what that party was used for.

Nominate others for a part in the Goverment: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=3491378#post3491378

Mr. Future you would be doubleplusgood for the the Sectretary of State.

Mr Future is running for Public Defender of the Court
RoboPig is running for Cheif Justce
Koondrad is running for Minister of Science
We need the Party to support us. Since we are the second largest party we can hold real power. Once elections start then their will be a need for everyone to send mass waves of propoganda. to get us the votes of the unactive citizens

Please note I will be absent from the 27th to the 29th of this month.

Please note I will be absent from the 27th to the 29th of this month.
that said I will likely be absent for the 30th and 1st

I would like to have our members do Big Brother a favor. I need you to PM the following message to as many people as possible. I ahve nothing to award this with, So do it as a favor. Big Brother is watching you.




The Party (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=140870)is forever. To ensure that The Party (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=140870) lasts forever it is requested that you vote for I am the Future as Public Defender (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=149630), RoboPig for Cheif Justice (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=149627), and Koonrad for Minister of Science. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=149626) All three candidates offer new ideas to the demogame. They believe in a streatchable law, and a more flexible Goverment. Your vote is expected.

Big Brother is Watching You

i put up the part of newspeak that i have done up, sorry that its so little, but with christmas and all, plus i had to brainstorm and there was a thunderstorm and my computer was unplugged

that is good, cant wait for more.

remember to vote RoboPig, I am the Future and koondrad at your local polling station!

I voted for all you guys and it was quite fun bumping up my postcount so much and so fast:D!

So, I'm back now and I've got to rescue my election.

you could start by sending those PMs with links in 'em.

you could start by sending those PMs with links in 'em.

It could hurt the party more than it would help.

Have you seen this:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/announcement.php?f=162&a=374

you could start by sending those PMs with links in 'em.
didnt chieftess ban those?
EDIT: koondrad beat me to it

EDIT: koondrad beat me to it

haha :lol:

I put my votes in yesterday... showed my support for Party candidates by posting in each about puppies and babies, but was warned for spamming on one and the other two were removed. Swiftboat Veterans anyone?? :crazyeye:

How many members of the party are active at the moment?

I dont know how many active "active members" their are. Technically every one in the demo game is a member. Then their are the semi Active members who have posted. Then their are the Realy active members: Future, Koondrad, Robo, Mmmm, Condor(though not much in here), Nobody(he and I sahre the occasional PM) And that is about it.

Edit:
All members need to register for the DemoGame citizens group. Go HERE (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=151470)for more info

Once the game has progressed a bit, do you think we should push for a state of our own to call Oceania?

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I think that is a damn good idea.

Let it be known that The goal of this Party will be to make a state called Oceania.

I think that is a damn good idea.

Let it be known that The goal of this Party will be to make a state called Oceania.


PWNAGE. :lol:


How soon after we start shall we begin the push for a state, and what size state shall we push for?
Obviously we'll have to wait a while until there are 5+ cities.


1. Governors of States may designate a civil government led by a Mayor in cities under their control.

A. Mayors may be appointed or elected in a special election depending on the wish of the Governor of the State. The way of choosing Mayors does not need to be the same for all Cities in a given State.





So basically that section of the CoL gives us quite a lot of freedom in which to create an Ingsoc style local government.

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I would like to say that a good size would be about 3 cities that way we can try and get Inner Parety members as leaders or at least nonParty members with similair ideas. If we get a state named Oceania of course I propose that we try and make it in captured area of another country that has half of its cities on the cost and at least one next to a river. Considering we are the only people who openly support war. Then we can try and get the cities renamed.

I propose that if we get a state we use planing to make it a highly industrialized area. With lots of hamlets, mines, forges, and mills. I also would want to try and get at least one wonder in the area. Prefably the Statue of Liberty, or 3 Gorges Dam.

And of course an IngSoc Based Govermental system

Considering we are the only people who openly support war.

well the Hawk-Dove party are quite happy to launch pre-emptive strikes.

I propose that if we get a state we use planing to make it a highly industrialized area. With lots of hamlets, mines, forges, and mills. I also would want to try and get at least one wonder in the area. Prefably the Statue of Liberty, or 3 Gorges Dam.

And of course an IngSoc Based Govermental system

Great. :goodjob:

TO ALL OUR MEMBERS.

Those of you that have not allready done it please remove yourself from the IIP. Or be removed form the Party. No exceptions will be made.

This remark is untrue - Noone can block or remove membership of citizengroups. - Rik

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It is shocking that Eurasian spies could have infiltrated out government. This is doubleplus-ungood.

All members should vote in this (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=152528) poll.

Big Brother, am I right in thinking that The Party is supporting the flexible government?

You would be right Koondrad

All Party members should be sure to vote in the recount poll that Koondrad posted. As of now, my vote put flexible government ahead by 2 votes, this poll will be plusclose, and The Party needs flexibility in order to appoint its members to useful positions.

Plusgood ideas for Oceana, btw. I'd like to add that we should go for the Ironworks national wonder.

TO ALL OUR MEMBERS.

Those of you that have not allready done it please remove yourself from the IIP. Or be removed form the Party. No exceptions will be made.

One of the stipulations of citizen groups under the forum rules is that citizen groups may not exclude people from membership. An exception is made for competitive team play, but this doesn't seem to be the case.

Now if by this post you mean that IIP members will become unpeople in the eyes of The Party, meaning they can speak all they want and you're not going to notice them, then that might be within the rules. ;)

One of the stipulations of citizen groups under the forum rules is that citizen groups may not exclude people from membership. An exception is made for competitive team play, but this doesn't seem to be the case.

Now if by this post you mean that IIP members will become unpeople in the eyes of The Party, meaning they can speak all they want and you're not going to notice them, then that might be within the rules. ;)

Very good point. I am glad I thought of it. ;)

Let it be known that IIP members will become unpeople in the eyes of The Party, meaning they can speak all they want and you're not going to notice them.

This remark is untrue - Noone can block or remove membership of citizengroups. - Rik

One of the stipulations of citizen groups under the forum rules is that citizen groups may not exclude people from membership. An exception is made for competitive team play, but this doesn't seem to be the case.


I should clarify that my understanding of this topic is based on hearing it 2nd hand or more removed. In the interest of fairness, I'm obtaining an official ruling on this point from the mods.

And until that is received: No citizen can be blocked or removed from citizensgroups by citizens - they can only leave a citizengroups voluntarily.

As Rik has said, lemme reinforce the fact that no one is to be excluded from any party (or from any thread/forum rather). The only people who can exclude you from posting are the mods and Thunderfall. You are not the one who decides who can and can't post. This forum (and its' threads) do not belong to you, they belong to Thunderfall.

Behave as you would in a public location.
This forum is no different than a public place. Behave yourself and act like a decent human being. If you're unable to do so, you're not welcome here and will be made to leave.

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Meh, It would have been better if you hadn't said that, Big Brother, so that the mods wouldn't have to make our thread look untidy. ;)

THought I should Remind everyone that we are at war with the Eurasians. We have allways been at war with the Eurasians and untill they surrender we will always be at war with them.

@Big Brother: Who are the Eurasians? Why must we be at constant war with them:P?

@Big Brother: Who are the Eurasians? Why must we be at constant war with them:P?
The eurasians controll purple. The eastasians green, Oceania red.
http://img.thefreedictionary.com/thumb/e/ec/1984_fictious_world_map.png

Ok so we own the red stuff and they got the purple stuff and the green stuff is just another team and we are fighting over who gets the white stuff? If I am right then awesome and if I am wrong could you correct me please so I can maybe help the party a little more:).

Ok so we own the red stuff and they got the purple stuff and the green stuff is just another team and we are fighting over who gets the white stuff? If I am right then awesome and if I am wrong could you correct me please so I can maybe help the party a little more:).
You are 100% correct, also we are allies with the green people.

Why must we be at constant war with them:P?


That sounds like thoughtcrime to me. You must learn to practice doublethink. ;)

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EDIT: On 2nd thought, I'm taking those links out, since your forum looks to be more than just a private forum for your group. It looks like a completely new forum.

I Am The Future and Robopig warned for advertising. The forum you posted looks more than just a group forum to discuss things (it's a full fledged forum!). If you want to discuss citizen group-type matters privately, then do so in pm or in the chatroom.

Eurasian Spies have been planting links in our posts, We must stop them at all cost.
I suggest those people in the MiniPax do something.

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comrades! brothers! today is the day when our first settlement will be well, settled!

Are we really starting allready!!! :eek: I need to pay better atention

Are we really starting allready!!! :eek: I need to pay better atention

Yeah mate, but the announcement came out of nowhere really.



YAY WE'RE STARTING!! BUST OUT THE VICTORY GIN!!

Hey Future Let me join or else, please.

Hey Future Let me join or else, please.


Great attitude!:rolleyes:

@Illini Rule: I'm calling you out for thought crime and link placing *cue dramatic music*! You can't deny it for the party knows all and sees all!

@Illini Rule: I'm calling you out for thought crime and link placing *cue dramatic music*! You can't deny it for the party knows all and sees all!


What are you talking about? Please enlighten us.

What are you talking about? Please enlighten us.
Though I do not neccesarily agree with the thought crime. I will not doubt that The Condor suspected Illini of it.

Before I make the thought crime official I must think about it. My answer will come shortly.

I, am very happy that i am now in THE PARTY. I feel Double good.

I, am very happy that i am now in THE PARTY. I feel Double good.

Wooh, it's plusgood that you're in my Ministry. Don't threaten Big Brother again though, he has powers beyond your understanding. ;)

Wait you guys are arresting people for thought crimes... Great book, stupid party..

Wait you guys are arresting people for thought crimes... Great book, stupid party..
another thoughtcrime! how dare you think against the party!

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Wooh, it's plusgood that you're in my Ministry. Don't threaten Big Brother again though, he has powers beyond your understanding. ;)

I apologize for my previous threat, my actions were ungood and unsmart.:blush:

Illini Rule has never existed. If a man by the name of Illini Rule wishes to join The Party then he may do so at any time. Do not hold any thing against this man for he is our comrade.

Their is a surprising opening in the Inner Party that should be filled by The Condor. This means that the inner party must decide on a new member of the Thought Police.

Any one with any questions should only send them to me via PM. Any one who posts about this any more will be convicted of Thought Crime.

may i join the party

what are we for in the polls or are we neutral in all of them

Vote as you Wish in all polls at less asked otherwise

what are we for in the polls or are we neutral in all of them

As Big Brother has said, vote for what you want as we don't want to seem like a voting bloc. :rolleyes:

@Victor - No sweat mate, its plusgood to have another active member.

I read somewhere a post by IatF saying the party don't wanna be mocked (and then, as I read it, the reason why) because it is political roleplay. I'm just curious about whether that kind of roleplay differs from all the other roleplaying in here and, if so, in what way. As I see it, your Orwellian manifesto has a target painted on it's chest screaming to be hit by loads of mud. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that a main purpous...to be provocative? I think that is 100% OK and I whish you lots of fun with it, but why the offended tone when it's just goofin around?

I read somewhere a post by IatF saying the party don't wanna be mocked (and then, as I read it, the reason why) because it is political roleplay. I'm just curious about whether that kind of roleplay differs from all the other roleplaying in here and, if so, in what way. As I see it, your Orwellian manifesto has a target painted on it's chest screaming to be hit by loads of mud. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that a main purpous...to be provocative? I think that is 100% OK and I whish you lots of fun with it, but why the offended tone when it's just goofin around?

I'm not really sure what you're getting at but I'll try to respond to your post anyway. Orwellian? Yes the source material behind The Party is Orwell's 1984. What other role-playing is there in here? We’re the only group really that is role-playing. I think that in a lot of the other parties, some members actually subscribe to the principals of their party and feel vaguely similar in RL. Maybe The Party is provocative but I think people appreciate that it is just based on a work of fiction. It’s not like we’re the Nazi or Stalinist party. Who had an offended tone? I’m sure they were just in character. :p



Cheers,

I don't think it was that big a deal, it just made me curious about what is role play and how do you look upon yourselves as the, ideed, nazi/stalinist bunch you pretend to be. If you are made fun of because of the "role-played" opinions, I take it you don't feel personally offended, but may "act" as if you were and therefore your response are not to be taken seriously.

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YOu would be correct to say that we are here to be somewhat provocative. But we do it only in good fun and to add to the role play element of the game. The role play is key because, as stated previously, we do not actually believe that the Ideas of IngSoc are best, or even all that good but becuase we wish to add variety and have fun at the same time. We also would like to let our totalitarian ideas be made law through our numbers. This might prove that what the people want isn't allways best, but that is just a side mission. My problem with the "mocking" was that it was about the previous thought crim committed by someone who never existed. Which in the end didn't do anything accept give us something to talk about for a page. Just role Play, PLAy not real.

Yeah sorry about that guys I was just joking around. Hope nobody minded.

@IatF
Thanks for taking you time. I will treat Party posts accordingly, as Play.

Don't ever forget that this is a demogame.

Don't ever forget that this is a demogame.
Oh, I know it's just a game, but even so we are real people interacting. Some participants differ on how "real" or how "act" they are. Some post as the person behind the nick, i.e. what they really think about stuff while others are taking on a "forum personality" and act out opininons/behaviour that is just for play. No way is better than the other, but if we don't recognize that difference we can easily end up in meaningless disputes. The intention with my initial question was not to criticise you in any way, only to figure out whether the Party stance was "for real" in some way, or just an act. I've understood it as just an act and that's cool and I'm delighted to read IatF saying that this role-play can (perhaps) show that majority decisions can be bad :clap:, which is quite the opposite of the manifesto. If you honestly, as the person behind the nick and not the role-player, think that the manifesto is a piece of crap, then you should welcome posts that criticise it, right?
I do see the problem with taking on a role-opinion that is very different to you real life opinion...:hmm:.
Lyckily for me I'm a member of the Idiot's Partee so I don't have to deal with that :rotfl:

Oh, I know it's just a game, but even so we are real people interacting. Some participants differ on how "real" or how "act" they are. Some post as the person behind the nick, i.e. what they really think about stuff while others are taking on a "forum personality" and act out opininons/behaviour that is just for play. No way is better than the other, but if we don't recognize that difference we can easily end up in meaningless disputes. The intention with my initial question was not to criticise you in any way, only to figure out whether the Party stance was "for real" in some way, or just an act. I've understood it as just an act and that's cool and I'm delighted to read IatF saying that this role-play can (perhaps) show that majority decisions can be bad :clap:, which is quite the opposite of the manifesto. If you honestly, as the person behind the nick and not the role-player, think that the manifesto is a piece of crap, then you should welcome posts that criticise it, right?
I do see the problem with taking on a role-opinion that is very different to you real life opinion...:hmm:.
Lyckily for me I'm a member of the Idiot's Partee so I don't have to deal with that :rotfl:

Yes there are some good points there. I think that most people in The Party are here in a role-playing personality. I don't think that anyone actually believes in the totalitarian ideals in RL. You only have to read Goldstein's book (I don't know how familiar you are with 1984) to see how bad Ingsoc would be in RL, and how self-destructive it is. You're quite right, it is a forum and everyone is entitled to their opinion within reason. Anyone is entitled to criticise The Party, but that doesn't mean we won't give it as bad as we get it. ;) I haven’t taken offense at any point because of what's been said. On the internet it can be difficult sometimes to see who’s serious and who isn't; that's why we have emoticons. :D For me it’s not that difficult to have opinions that differ from my opinions in RL. It is Civ4 and so it is not a model of a country. It has its limitations. Any wars that happen are in fact imaginary and real people don’t get hurt, as I’m sure you’ll appreciate.

Finally, think about how boring the Demogame would be if everyone had the same principals and ideas.

Goldstein's book SOunds like thought crime ;)


Though it is play, and you shouldnt think we are nuts. I also want you to know that it is the stance we take in the game. And we still want it to prevale over other ideas.

SOunds like thought crime ;)
I was actually referring to Jonathan Goldstein's book, "Schmelvis: In Search of Elvis Presley's Jewish Roots" ;)






Anyways, Oceania will prevail,

I was actually referring to Jonathan Goldstein's book, "Schmelvis: In Search of Elvis Presley's Jewish Roots" ;)



So are you calling Big Brother Wrong?


Anyways, Oceania will prevail
That is of course true.

I dont mind if people are agienst our party. I make fun of people i dont with all the time. I find this party fun and enjoyable, but I do not care if you do not feel that way.

I would Like to request that we make a group decision on who should try and run for what in the upcoming election. If anyone dosnt agree with one nomination for the areas from the party then that is fine.

Any thoughts, nominations, arguements, etc.?

What is the latest report from the Eurasian front?

What is the latest report from the Eurasian front?
I dont wish to sound cocky, but I dare say taht we could be at the mediteranian by the end of the week. And have the Iberian penninsula shortly after.:D

BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING

Im a orwell fan and would like to join the party...

Uh.. is there room to join? I'm kinda a noob to this place.

I'm kinda a noob to this place. Doesn't really matter TBH.

xyourxmomxcorex and Nuclear kid, I welcome you. Please read the first post and then OM me which Ministry you would like to join.

Can I join the minipax?

Just add MiniPax to your Sig and you are in.

Whe shall we go for a city named "Air Strip One"? I think fairly soon.

WE all must vote in the poll for it if we really want it to happen. That would mean putting aside all of your other Parties Names and goin with this one.

Whe shall we go for a city named "Air Strip One"? I think fairly soon.

WE all must vote in the poll for it if we really want it to happen. That would mean putting aside all of your other Parties Names and goin with this one.

Was "Air Strip One" not the name for Britain and Ireland as the cities retained their names to give a sense of nationalism?

IT was, but since

a)Going for the name london would be pointless

b)Air Strip one is much more of a 1984 base

c)Cities in Civ 4 are more like territories.

d)Air Strip One sounds so much cooler then a normal city name.

IT was, but since

a)Going for the name london would be pointless

b)Air Strip one is much more of a 1984 base

c)Cities in Civ 4 are more like territories.

d)Air Strip One sounds so much cooler then a normal city name.

Dead on. :goodjob:

I would like all PARTY MEMBERS to Check out the City 4 Name thread. Compleate with the name Air Stip One

POLL (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=3884236#post3884236)