Hello,

This is a small map featuring Europe and some parts of Africa and the Middle East. It is dedicated to all those who can't play on huge maps ;) .
I just finished it so the resources might not be all in the right place, however I will post updates as I playtest it and get everything right.

Again, concernig the resource layout, I would appreciate any sugestions you might give me.

Civs: England
France
Germany
Spain
Rome
Grece
Russia
Egypt
Arabia
Mali

The Arabs start in Turkey because I wanted to have some kind of Ottoman empire.
The Malinese start in northern Africa - to make life hard on the spanish ;).
Every other civ is where is supposed to be.

I want to thank Lehawk for helping me with the WBS. I would have had a hard time without him.

Have a nice game :) !

Scytale

Screenshot

Instead of the Malinese and the Arabs, you could marge the two public mods to get Carthaginian and Turks Empires.

And you're welcome for the help!

Instead of the Malinese and the Arabs, you could marge the two public mods to get Carthaginian and Turks Empires.

And you're welcome for the help!

I already wanted to get Carthage but I don't know how to do that...maybe you could help me with that too?

I already wanted to get Carthage but I don't know how to do that...maybe you could help me with that too?

Sure! Just add the following to the WBS file!

ModPath=Mods/Jecrell [Carthage]

The teams are in order from 0-16. Using the team# from the BeginPlayer, put the following Techs like:

BeginTeam
Tech=TECH_FISHING
Tech=TECH_THE_WHEEL
EndTeam

This is what you put for the Player blocks, make sure you match the civ's team number that you replaced.

BeginPlayer
Team=1
LeaderType=LEADER_HANNIBAL
CivType=CIVILIZATION_CARTHAGE
PlayableCiv=1
StartingX=25, StartingY=19
EndPlayer

Ok, now what if I want to add the Turks and the Netherlands...they are on two separate mods. You said they can be merged. How can I do this? Do I place them all in one file?

Ahem...disregard this post. My internet conection was out of order and I posted twice.

I used your map for making smaller map version of EE3 mod (the scenario/map - http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=3595808&postcount=794), the mod - http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=144971). I hope u don't mind ;)

I used your map for making smaller map version of EE3 mod (the scenario/map - http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=3595808&postcount=794), the mod - http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=144971). I hope u don't mind ;)

Well I'm glad to hear that you found it useful. I was beggining to think that no one likes this map( lack of feedback ) .

Hats off for the fun map! This is just the sort of European history sim I was looking for. I've been having a blast playing as the English. Really good work here!

My only caveat is that the small size map doesn't "play" like "small" on my weak older system...it plays like Standard or even large...I have some lag and slow down in the latter eras which I usuallly don't see on regulation small maps. Is it because of the ten civs?

Hats off for the fun map! This is just the sort of European history sim I was looking for. I've been having a blast playing as the English. Really good work here!

My only caveat is that the small size map doesn't "play" like "small" on my weak older system...it plays like Standard or even large...I have some lag and slow down in the latter eras which I usuallly don't see on regulation small maps. Is it because of the ten civs?

I'm glad you like it! I think it's both because of the ten civs but also because it uses more land than a ordinary civ4 small map.

Interestingly, I am now at 1680 (Noble) and all ten Civs are still in existence, in their roughly historical geographic areas, with nearly equal capabilities (well...almost...there's some weaklings...) and lots of political give and take/alliance entanglements. We just came out of period of war where numerically superior Russia surprise declared on me(England) and then I brought in Germany, Spain, and Rome against her. It was fought to stalemate, as Russia has this huge orange area with Moscow buried deep in, and before that a a seemingly endless supply of fortified cities, Cossacks and steppe....Russia may be too powerful..we'll see once we reach the Modern Era. She's first at 2130 points, with my second at 1990, but I have a tech edge.

And, Britannia rules the seas...



This may be the funniest round of this game I've ever played!

Yea, what's awesome about this map is that the Civs almost always end up in their historical locations. It's really cool to see and play the game, this is hands down my favorite European map so far.

Excellent work.

..I was worried that the resource allotment might make the play unbalanced when I saw Russia's lead ballooning away in the late 1600's (just about the time oil comes into play...) but these fears were unfounded when England, Germany and the Greeks ganged up on her after she attacked. Big mistake as it was just the time I was getting marines, artillery, and destroyers. I stole one city, Greece stole two, and Germany chewed up her ground forces, knocking her back from 1st to 6th place in less than 5 turns.

I had trouble as England getting ahold of oil so had to rush to plastics to build off-shore, but as the world's number one tech dealer, I traded it off once I got it for some stuff I'd bypassed.

It's a very competitive map...

Thanks for this map. It is my favorite of all of them. :)

Just DL'd the map. I'll tell you how it's going.

NM, pic didn't upload right.

Awesome map. Many thanks for making this.


Only comment i would make is i usually dominate as the english
on the level im playing. Im actually struggling so i guess englands
position is fairly weak? unless im just playing badly . Still, its having great fun playing it

Thanks again!

Chris

Englands only real limitation is lack of land (obviously) however, They way I usually set it up when I play as her is set up 3 Major cities on the main island.

London where you start, then the next city on the oposite end of the island beyond the hills, then the 3rd up in the north, in one of the squares that's encircled by rivers, you get a really AWESOME production city out of that one.

Next City you can do one of two things first, but I'd recommend getting them both done:

- First, Settle the Isle. of Ireland. It might be tempting to put two cities on this island but I ALWAYS place one, and always in the same spot. When you get to the island, there's a space with a goody hut on the island. That goody hut is where you want to put the city because it's a magnificent spot, regardless of what kind of city you want it to become, that's the spot, and it'll pretty quickly become one of your best cities (despite you have few anyway... this city usually become better than my capital).

-Next, I'd recoment settling the Sweden/finland Island. This is the spot you risk loosing, as Germany and russia - if given the time - can settle it before you. I also normally place 2 cities on this island, one on each end.

This gives you 6 fantastic cities, and ALL of them are seperated from the mainland by sea... so that means all you 'really' need to do for military is keep a fleet to destroy possible invaders. It's really funny destroying 3 Galleons that contain an entire army of enemies while each of your cities are merely defended by 1 guy. I don't always lack in the military, but if you're gonna you NEED a good fleet, because if you do get a landfall, you're basically screwed (which ended up happening once, so I don't slack off on military that much anymore, It's just low on priority until I decide to invade others).

Lastly, as far as taking Europe is concerned, for maintainence/culture purposes, It should be obvious that you'd want to take out France first, and use the French cities as your Mainland base to assault the rest of the world.


Aaanyway, back to the map. There is so far ONE flaw I've come to see with it, well, two actually.

First one; All the nations seem to be fairly Balanced in their Start locations and Area of expansion, with the exception of Egypt. Egypt seems to be overpowered. Not sure about anyone else, but it seems EVERY game I play (and I've played tons on this map, it's one of the only 4 maps I play on) Egypt JUMPS ahead in score, real fast. They also take the tech lead early too, and manage to keep it for a long while. I play on various different speeds and difficulties also, and it seems to always be the case, Egypt on top. It's possible the combination of both rivers and floodplains in nearly every tile of the egyption capital location that could be responsibal for this, that locale gives insane food, and insane commerce.

The 2nd flaw is simple: Oil. There's way too much.

But like I've said in my previous post, It's a fabulous map.

Though I ended up editing it a bit, I actually made a Location for Sparta to be accurately placed, and I fattened up the southern italian Peninsula - Rome Seems to get the short end of the stick compared to any other civ, usually the deciding factor on their success depends on two different city locations, One that's a toss up between whether France or Rome will get it, and the other is a Toss up between whether Rome, Greece, or Germany will get it. (these locales are to the east and west of the italian penninsula, respectively). It seems if Rome doesn't manage to get either one of these city sites (i.e. gets boxed in by the other nations) It falls behind in score/success capability fast. SOooOoo.. I haven't played enough games with my personally changes yet... BUT, I'm hoping by fattening up the italian pennisula a bit, this will solve the problem.

whoo... longwinded.

Good post Jason - was interesting to read about your experiences with the English on this map.

And to the OP - nice work on the map. From all the positive comments I've read here I can't wait to play it.

I'm glad people that favor smaller maps haven't been forgotten.

could somebody make similar map but including Scandinavia??? :(

Well, Jason's post made me to try it also.
I will do it tonight, i quess.
Sounds wery interesting.
I have always tried to begin in mainland, hoping to crab as much land as i can early one.

E: also religion and culture spread more easily, if you are situated in the center of the map.

Well, its truely good map, ruling sea means something here.
Im having troubles with culture - taking over your opponents cities, near your capital, they tend not to grow and keep resisting. Probably have to take some Great Prophet there.

This looks like it might be the map I am looking for. I cannot play on HUGE maps, game just boggs down too much, so I am looking for a LARGE europian map. What I did not realize was that since I can play TERRA Large well, I figured I could play a Large Europian map, but did not think about land mass being a factor.

So if this SMALL Europian map plays like a TERRA generated LARGE map, this will be perfect. Thanks for sharing either way.

I really like this map. I think it is well done and plays great on my machine. It is a little resource heavy for my taste and I do think there are some balance issues, but it is fun.

Great Map. Thanks.

Thanks for your beautiful maps.. Keep up the good work.
A totally Civ addicted Jetha:goodjob:

Thank you for all the compliments. I think I will try and update this map using all your coments. This weekend maybe.

How does it know to put the civs in the historical spots? How do I get itinto my game?

How does it know to put the civs in the historical spots? How do I get itinto my game?

You just go in the editor in the first turn and you place the civs yourself, then you save the map and play as a scenario.

I also want to note that I like this map very much. I played other maps after I got bored form this one because of overplaying. It has this boardgame feel. Every nation is playable and each has its chance with different pros and cons. Except from Mali may be. It doesn't even have copper or iron.

This map is so close to perfect that you are always encouraged to fine tune it.

One single critisim will be about the greek and italian peninsulas. Italy seems shrunk at the bottom and Greece is wide. That is where I added 3-4 plain plots to south-east of Italy and replaced a square of land in Morea and two in the north with coast. A minor advice will be to fine tune the resource distribution to increase the success chance of Mali, tune down Egypt, etc for the board game feel. But this depends on the taste whether you are seeking balance or close-to-historical outcome.

This map is very good for my taste a I prefer to play with no more than 5-6 cities. I would love to see it reaching excellence. :thumbsup:

This is a great map, and i play it almost exclusively.

However, I did update it with my attempt at balacing out some of the resource placements. Among many changes, i lowered the amount of oil, putting it in the North Sea, Caucasas, AFrica and Asia Minor, etc. My goal was to give England, Arabia, Africa, Siberia, and Romania oil. To balance it, give Hispania, and Western Europe (German, France) alumnium and extra coal. I added bonuses and some plot or two of land to Siciliy since it was a major 'breadbasket' of Italy. I also upgraded the site of Byzantium, since that was the world's greatest and biggest city for much of the classical and mediaeval era. There were other changes such as defaulting to no barbarians, and making Elizabeth the leader of Britannia.

However, I still haven't toned down Egypt yet, that will be my next intent. What I may do is take away a few of Egypt's superfluous bonuses like its dyes, perhaps take one of them away, etc. Egypt's in a fairly easy place to defend though because of the narrow passages from asian minor and west africa to the Egyptian main cities.

Another problem remaining is that Germany seems pathetic and weak, perhaps partially because of Frederick.

Added: Also, this version has the turn limit removed.

Thanks for udating the map. I will play it and tell you what I think. I'm so busy lately that I didn't had the chance of updating it myself.

is it me who is getting better, or was this map "easier" to win at? I just got a Diplomatic Victory @ 1655, beating my old record with 300 turns...

You mean the custom 1.6 Version of the map I posted was easier?

Which side were you and what level?

You mean the custom 1.6 Version of the map I posted was easier?

Which side were you and what level?

romans @ warlord, first version of the map. And oh yeah, I remember someone pointing out something about Germany being unusually weak, well at least in my game, Bismarck turned out second in power and area.

Great map!

Why is it that whenever I play this game, the game always ends in the year 1500? I have been playing on marathon mode, if that makes a difference.

Why is it that whenever I play this game, the game always ends in the year 1500? I have been playing on marathon mode, if that makes a difference.

Open the map with a wordpad and delete the line:

MaxTurns=

Then save it.

:king:

any support for viking in warlords?

I have made a Warlords version of the map (custom 1.6 from saw192837):

Added Vikings Carthage and Ottomans (removed Arabia).
Put some Deer for the Vikings.
Removed the Oil from the mountain (?) near Mali, put it on Desert.

Also removed all units so the number of units depends on difficulty level.

Have fun!

are your version of this map is also without turn limit? :)
ohh why there aren't small map with whole scandinavia? :(

This map is so good, it is going in both of my mods....

Using the Warlords edit of the edit, will give proper credit in the mod to those that worked on it.

On a side note I am looking for a realistic Africa and Possibly A North/Central/South America Map for warlorids when Civ Gold Warlords Ports over (a few days away) of different size's and different number of civ's (my mod can handle 24 but these would be less than that maps)

Anyone interested in giving a hand on those?

this is an awesome map, but im new here and i was wondering if anybody could tell me how to add a civilization to the existing scenario? I want to put the Mongols, Celts and maybe the Arabs in the warlords version map but I can't figure out how to add them.

this map is awesome, the size and the way the resourses are set are really good. This map is perfect for a Napoleon Senario i am working on, i just need to figure out how to change the leaders, names, correct cities... ect ect but anyways excellent map!

Tweedledee's map is awesome! anyway could be great if vikings would get more area :P

i cant make this map work on warlords, only on civ IV, what shall i do?

i cant make this map work on warlords, only on civ IV, what shall i do?
download latest version this map made by Tweedledee. He attach it in this thread. Link to their post:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=4461197&postcount=38
and put
"Small Europe (Custom 1.6) Warlords.CivWarlordsWBSave"
to your
"D:\Games\Civilization 4\Warlords\PublicMaps"
in game use
"Single Player -> Custom Scenario"
enjoy the kewl map :D

thank you very much MusX!
it works now!

i would like to recommend this map as a really cool and very small europe map. somebody should link warlords version of the map in the first post cause people could miss it
still like to play it