The file is: http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/Canada1.zip

Civilization: Canada
Noun: Canadians
Adjective: Canadian
Colors: Red
Starts with: Agriculture and Mining
UU: Mountie (cavalry, 1+ moviment and 1+ power)


http://img303.imageshack.us/img303/8554/canada016aw.jpg


Title and leader 1: Gouverneur Champlain
Leader 1 bonuses: Expansive and Organized
Leader 1 favourite civic: Representation

Title and leader 2: Prime Minister MacDonald
Leader 2 bonuses: Expansive and Industrious
Leader 2 favourite civic: Nationhood


Cities:
Ottawa
Toronto
Montreal
Vancouver
Calgary
TO BE CONTINUED...


http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/5623/canada021kl.jpg


http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/8320/canada032ue.jpg


http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/5901/canada044wy.jpg


http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/151/canada055nx.jpg


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Alright, but their is already a great Canada mod out there!:D

Alright, but their is already a great Canada mod out there!:D
true, but it doesnt have the Canadian flavour this one does..Mounties, write-ups, pics...both are good tho.

Champlain is a Quebec leader. You should have Sir John A. MacDonald, William Lyon Mackenzie King, Lester B. Pearson, or Pierre Trudeau as the leader.

And I think the Canadian Corps would make a better UU.

But as always, good job. :thumbsup:

true, but it doesnt have the Canadian flavour this one does..Mounties, write-ups, pics...both are good tho.

Ummm...I have all the write-ups and flags. :(

Added the pics last night, by the way. So now there are pics for all 4 leaders, plus all the the buttons. Re-skin for Canda Corps coming soon.

But yes, as always CivArmy does an excellent job!

I know you do what you want, but i think it would have been better:

1) to do a civ that haven't been done
or
2) help the existing one with your talentfull artwork.

Since you ask for advice for the UU and thing like that, it would have been better to ask before making it, there are so many canadian on these board...(By the way, having a skinned mountie is nice, but the +1 mov is quite ... boring, give it woodsman, march or a promotion!!)
While Brazilpack's civs where totally your matter, maybe you should create a developpement thread in the Main C&C forum to have a civ much more nice, with a leader, a UU that are full of players spirit. I'm sure that if you asked, your mountie and your longboat would have been different...
If you do the civ for yourself only, well that's nice to share. If you do it for everyone interrested, ask what whey expect...

It's your choice to get out civ as soon as you can, but even if they look beautifull, and they really do, I think they lack of this particular touch there was with Tupi, Portugal and especially Brazil....
The civ you are pouring out are nice prepacked object but stay industrial...just look the way you link cities from the civilization.xml to the Textcitylist.xml! you prepared list "text_name_ciudade1, 2, 3...."
Moreover, there is a problem with the colour. Since you take a color created by Firaxis, sometimes changing the colorset, there will be a problem when you will face the vanilla civ with the same color!! try to create some colors to prevent that.
Finally, it's only a matter for using your work for Superciv, but please, stop having all these different text files: it's bigger so it's longer to download, and it's longer for me to navigate trough them when i want to include it in Superciv

The simple fact that you say the developpement of a second Leader for the civ you made will be made after others LH (you don't develop civs, you develop LeaderHeads!!!)will be done just show that you want to us to see how good you are at making LH, but not in making a good civ...

Sorry to be the blacksheep, but it's a great work, from the art point of view, but that's all. It lacks some personnality that the other Canada mod has

anyway, nice arts

I don't see how it lacks personality... What's everyone's problem with there being another Canadian mod? People are going to make what they're interested in making. Nothing wrong with that.

I think it's great. Seems professionally done! I'd change the leader though, it doesn't make much sense when it's a Canadian mod.

I don't see how it lacks personality... What's everyone's problem with there being another Canadian mod? People are going to make what they're interested in making. Nothing wrong with that.

I can see both sides.. it doesn't bother me that theres another Celts and Zulu mod, I still finished mine for my own use and everything.. but I can see LAnkou's frustration as he is trying to compile all the new civs into a superciv pack.. and doing great work on that, I might add.. I don't envy having to sort out all the different colours :crazyeye:

Ummm...I have all the write-ups and flags. :(

Added the pics last night, by the way. So now there are pics for all 4 leaders, plus all the the buttons. Re-skin for Canda Corps coming soon.

But yes, as always CivArmy does an excellent job!
I didn't mean to knock your work Wyz..I was just commenting on the addition of Mounties and Leaders. I'm glad you were the first one to get Canada on the Civ map...:)

I didn't mean to knock your work Wyz..I was just commenting on the addition of Mounties and Leaders. I'm glad you were the first one to get Canada on the Civ map...:)

Nah, I'm just kidding around. I decided to go another way, but I know people love Mounties so I'm glad it was done.

Maybe when the regular civs get a 2-UU mod, then we can add an extra UU to the added civs as well - get the best of all mods that way.

Thanks for the comments!!! :) I have mines:
- I chose Mountie, cos this units looks like popular.
- I think it is a good idea someone produce a mod adding the second UU for each civ and then add more civis as Canada and Vikings with two UUs each one
- :lol: As I said before on Cherokee thread, I don't think it is a problem we have the same civ twice on these boarders since they use different style for leader artworks :) . I have my to do list done (please, check the Cherokee civ thread for read it in case anyone is curious ;) ) and I'll continue fallow it :)
- LAnkou: great idea create a forum before launch a civ for discussion as UU power and choice leader, but these LHs mine were already in other forums before here and them I collected the infos. Now I can see the suggestions on these boarders after launch the civ and then launch a new version with the changes. BTW, this isn't the final version, the final version just came with animated LH and modeled unit by me or another unit creator untill there I can make the changes easily and post the new version :)

thanks for enjoying!!!

Oh, more suggestions for the second leader of Canada? Just SuperBeaver told his ones :)

Nice work, but I'd also like to see a combined effort rather than seperate ones. In particular your leaderheads are great and it would be awesome if you created the leaderheads for the other mod... but that's just what I would want.

Nice work, but I'd also like to see a combined effort rather than seperate ones. In particular your leaderheads are great and it would be awesome if you created the leaderheads for the other mod... but that's just what I would want.


why not join my LH and unit with the other mod city list, civilopedia entry and other stuff??? :D It is good idea. oh, of course, if the creators of the other mod allow me to use them creations ;)

why not join my LH and unit with the other mod city list, civilopedia entry and other stuff??? :D It is good idea. oh, of course, if the creators of the other mod allow me to use them creations ;)

This issue, of course, is updates. It would be confusing to update 3 mods (my mod --> my stuff in your mod --> our stuff in the SuperCiv mod). It would be easier to combine efforts from the start.

I think the Zulu/Nguni effort is a good example. :)

Oh, more suggestions for the second leader of Canada? Just SuperBeaver told his ones :)

I didn't suggest second ones, I told main ones, as Champlain is a leader for Quebec, not Canada. :p

I didn't suggest second ones, I told main ones, as Champlain is a leader for Quebec, not Canada. :p

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Why isn't it working for me?
It says it cant read a file. All your other civs have worked for me. It says this during extraction.

Actually, when Champlain was around, "Quebec" was defined only as the capital city of "Canada," which was entirely French, so it all works.
Mounties are much more distinctive than any Infantry (and to those who might claim that they never served a military role, you are wrong: they fought both in the North West Rebellion and in South Africa during the Boer War, and were probably the best cavalry in the British Empire at that point).

For a second leader, I'd have to go with Trudeau. He could pirouette when he liked a deal and give you the finger when he was angry.

Champlain was governor of a small, French colony, not of the entire country. He died long before the Canadian nation even gained independence.

Mounties did fight in combat, but the exploits of Canadian infantry during the World Wars is what helped establish Canada as a legitimate fighting force.

Why isn't it working for me?
It says it cant read a file. All your other civs have worked for me. It says this during extraction.


I don't know :confused:
I've downloaded the file minutes ago for a test and played the mod and it worked fine.

The Best Leader for Canada will be Good 'ol Ralphie.... Although not elected yet.... One day he will be! therefore I think we should maybe jump the gun.... A beer toting...Verbally abusive... yet intelligent dictator is just what Canada needs.

You have a leader of the old french colony how about the hero of the english. General Wolfe.

http://www.militaryheritage.com/images/wolfe.jpg

Some would say he sis no Canadian because he is an englishman, and some would say Champlain was not Canadian because he was a frenchman. Since your mod seems to place a lot of focus at the time when Canada was 2 distinct colonies why not capture both. You alienate a lot of Canadians by only picking a French leader this might help cover your bases.

Stats

Name: General James Wolfe
Characteristics: Aggressive Organized
Favoured Civic: Hereditary Rule

Canada would be a very different place had Wolfe not lead the English to victory against a larger french force on the Plains of Abraham which is now in Quebec City. Both General Wolfe and his french counterpart General Louis-Joseph de Montcalm were killed in the battle but that set the stage for the confederated Canada of today.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/3967/wolfe2.jpg
This is a famous painting of the dying General Wolfe.

Like SuperBeaver I disagree with the mountie as a UU but when I see your unit modle I can really complain because it is really well done. The only mistake, and it is a small one is that thier hats are brown not red and they have a yellow strip down either side of the pants. They are a police force, not a an army though remember that today they are the equivalent of the FBI in Canada. Mounties is kinda a slang term I think you should call them the North West Mounted Police or maybe even just Mounted Police if you want them as a cavalry unit. NWMP is what they were called at the time of thier inception.

I am a stonch supporter of Wyz_subs more contemporary Canada mod, but yours captures Canada at a diffferent time. Maybe you two should collaberate turn 2 excellent mods into one spectacular mod?

Just some suggestions and comments.

I finally got it to work. I have no idea why it didn't work earlier. Looks good! Ill
try it later tonight.

You have a leader of the old french colony how about the hero of the english. General Wolfe.

http://www.militaryheritage.com/images/wolfe.jpg

Some would say he sis no Canadian because he is an englishman, and some would say Champlain was not Canadian because he was a frenchman. Since your mod seems to place a lot of focus at the time when Canada was 2 distinct colonies why not capture both. You alienate a lot of Canadians by only picking a French leader this might help cover your bases.

I'll say it. :p Wolfe was a British general. He wasn't even a governor. That would make as much sense as Joan of Arc. :p

Like SuperBeaver I disagree with the mountie as a UU but when I see your unit modle I can really complain because it is really well done. The only mistake, and it is a small one is that thier hats are brown not red and they have a yellow strip down either side of the pants. They are a police force, not a an army though remember that today they are the equivalent of the FBI in Canada. Mounties is kinda a slang term I think you should call them the North West Mounted Police or maybe even just Mounted Police if you want them as a cavalry unit. NWMP is what they were called at the time of thier inception.

Or perhaps call them RCMP. :p

Well I'm sure its not your fault but having this leader for Canada is insulting. I'm Canadian and well I'll never play your mod because of it. I'm assuming you asked sombody or looked it up on the internet or somthing but as for leaders refer to the other Canada mod for the leaders you should have had. Please replace him!!! Thx.:sad:

The Best Leader for Canada will be Good 'ol Ralphie.... Although not elected yet.... One day he will be! therefore I think we should maybe jump the gun.... A beer toting...Verbally abusive... yet intelligent dictator is just what Canada needs.

You must be Albertan :P :goodjob:

Well I'm sure its not your fault but having this leader for Canada is insulting. I'm Canadian and well I'll never play your mod because of it. I'm assuming you asked sombody or looked it up on the internet or somthing but as for leaders refer to the other Canada mod for the leaders you should have had. Please replace him!!! Thx.:sad:

To be fair, I don't think he was trying to insult anyone. I think he may have just been looking for someone that helped to build this part of the world early in it's history. Champlain did play a large role in settling the near-interior, which helped pave the way for the development of the fur trade, the arrival of the Scots, etc.

I agree with you that he's not the right choice, however. But I think it was an honest attempt.

I dont know if anybody has said this yet but CHAMPLAIN WAS A BLOODY FRENCHMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I dont know if anybody has said this yet but CHAMPLAIN WAS A BLOODY FRENCHMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Once or twice. ;)

To be fair, I don't think he was trying to insult anyone. I think he may have just been looking for someone that helped to build this part of the world early in it's history. Champlain did play a large role in settling the near-interior, which helped pave the way for the development of the fur trade, the arrival of the Scots, etc.

I agree with you that he's not the right choice, however. But I think it was an honest attempt.

He's contributing loads of mods here so thumbs up for that. However when you have your mod represent a certain country it would definitly be in your best interests to do some good research instead of just throwing whoever into it. Otherwise whats the point of making the mod? Also it makes me question the other mods created by this guy. If he's got Canada wrong then maybe he's got the other civs wrong as well. I'm no history buff so thats where I'm coming from. Heck if he just really likes the guy or somthing speak up at least that would be reason for it. Its too bad though cause the work looks nice but there's no reason to support somthing I don't agree with.

I dont know if anybody has said this yet but CHAMPLAIN WAS A BLOODY FRENCHMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...And MacDonald was a Scot, but nobody would care. Once again, there would be no Canada at all without Champlain.

The choice of the Canadian leader looks like the choice of the Brazilian leader on the Brazilian Civ Fan Site, we use to debate hard there too :lol: Both countries have too many options and none brings consensus. We use to joke there that if a single civ should allow 100 different leaders had been people complain any important leader continues out or the choices weren't good enought :lol:

So, I choice Champlain, cos I did his leaderhead for Civ3 mounths ago, it was a request of many people, mostly Canadians and it was easy to convert it for Civ4 static LH. For this reason this LHs is here :D I have to remind that all my LHs r not propaganda for any specific leader, so, if I did Champlain or another LH doesn't mean that I love the way the leader ruled. It is just a LH and it is useful to a lof of mods out there :D BTW, I did two leader for Brazil in Civ4, Emperor Pedro II and President Getúlio Vargas, I don't like both leaders and I think both were (very) bad for Brazil and South America, but if people ellected them as the better choices I think the best option was produce both LHs and play.

To improve my Canadian civ I can:
- redo the city list in case it is necessary.
- redo the civilopedia entry
- rechoice the Champlain bonuses
- change the UU
- add a second leader. Champlain could represents the "French" area of the country and this second leader could represents the other parts.
- redo the flag

Well, all this if it was really necessary, for this reason I expect suggestions. I can use the stuff done on the first Canadian civ thread if u people want, no problem ;)


thanks for the attention and good game! :D

If you want a French-Canadian leader, the best bets would be Sir Wilfred Laurier or Pierre Trudeau.

English-Canadian the best would be Sir John A. MacDonald, Lester B. Pearson, or William Lyon Mackenzie King.

I would recomend using the Champlain leaderhead and using it for a Quebec civilization.

I'll say it. :p Wolfe was a British general. He wasn't even a governor. That would make as much sense as Joan of Arc. :p


If we want a British Colonial ruler, I would recommend Isaac Brock.
But there are better choices. I personally would go with Pierre Elliot Trudeau, since he is the only major Canadian leader who is both French and English. We should have one figure to represent the entire country.

English-Canadian the best would be Sir John A. MacDonald, Lester B. Pearson, or William Lyon Mackenzie King.


:mischief: Hmm, and are you supporting the Eastern Conference in this week-ends coming game?

What's wrong with Dief the Chief?

OT: @ Corvex. What part of Winnipeg you from? I'm in River Heights.

If we want a British Colonial ruler, I would recommend Isaac Brock.

Sir Isaac Brock was another British general, never governor, and apparently he didn't even like Canada that much.

A quote from Wikipedia:

"Although many Canadians have come to view Brock as one of their own, Brock never really felt at home in Canada. Although he was complimentary toward Quebec City, on the whole Brock viewed the country as a backwater, and earnestly wished to return to Europe to fight against Napoleon. Furthermore, Brock mistrusted the Canadian colonists, many of whom he suspected of being American sympathizers, and was reluctant to arm them to help defend the colonies; he was far happier fighting alongside British regulars and Tecumseh's native fighters."


:mischief: Hmm, and are you supporting the Eastern Conference in this week-ends coming game?

I don't like either team. And also, the CFL has divisions, not conferences :p


What's wrong with Dief the Chief?


The others are better :p

And also, the CFL has divisions, not conferences


I'm old; it used to be 'conferences'.

Here you go CivArmy. http://www.canadahistory.com/sections/politics/politics.htm If you click on prime ministers you can find out somthing about each one. As for cities http://www.citypopulation.de/Canada.html has a good list. For starting traits I think hunting should be one of them since fur trading is such an important part of our history. We gotta be able to build those camps! :P

UPGRADE OF NOV./25th:

1) Stuff that I'll change in the next version:
- Starting techs: Hunting and Agriculture


2) Unique Unit, what is your vote?
- Mountie: 1 vote
- Other? Which one?
PS: This 1st vote is mine.

3) Second leader:
- Trudeau: 1 vote
- Other? Which one?
PS: This 1st vote is mine.


4) Civilopedia entry:
- The one that cames with my mod
- The one that cames with the other Canadian mod


I think this way I can have a better view of the changes/adding that I must to do :)

Another list for cities. It has 100 different place names on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_100_largest_metropolitan_areas_in_Cana da

UPGRADE OF NOV./25th:
2) Unique Unit, what is your vote?
- Mountie: 1 vote
- Other? Which one?
PS: This 1st vote is mine.


While I support the Canadian Corps as UU, I will vote for the Mountie. That way, the two Canadian mods wouln't be completely the same.

3) Second leader:
- Trudeau: 1 vote
- Other? Which one?
PS: This 1st vote is mine.

My vote is for Sir John A. MacDonald

Another list for cities. It has 100 different place names on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_100_largest_metropolitan_areas_in_Cana da

Ii can change it too. The limit that I'm using is 50 cities per civ ;) I think it is a good number for cities.

GREAT JOB AS USUAL!:goodjob:

No complaints.
Mounty look awsome:thumbsup:

Leader is OK, if I may suggest Lord Durham would be good leader for Canada civilisation as well.

PS Please check Private Mes. and if you have time and will do something to help developer for Serbian civilization Leaderhead and UU. You can use it latter in your packs. Thanx:)

Cool Civarmy :) My vote goes to the Mountie.

1 Vote for Trudeau and for the Mountie as Unique unit.

@PeteT: I'm also from River Heights; we might actually know each other.

You have to pick either Trudeau or Champlain, not both. 2 French leaders is unrealistic, that doesn't represent Canada, you may as well go off and make a Quebec mod. Sir John A is the logical choice, his is the father of Canada.

You have to pick either Trudeau or Champlain, not both. 2 French leaders is unrealistic, that doesn't represent Canada, you may as well go off and make a Quebec mod. Sir John A is the logical choice, his is the father of Canada.

Trudeau is not a French leader! Trudeau's father was a French Canadian, his mother was an English Canadian (hence the "Elliot;" He makes a big deal about it in his referendum speech). He was equal parts French and English Canadian, which makes him the ideal man to run the Canadian civ.

And also, there was already a political entity called "Canada" for two-and-a-half centuries prior to MacDonald (it having been established by Champlain). Yes, it was always a colony, but even after Confederation, it essentially remained a colony up until the Statute of Westminster in 1931, so its just a technicality.

NINJA EDIT: Leader - Sir John A MacDonald or King
Unique Unit - Mountie

I'll wait more few days here too, so, I can check the result of the pools and make the alterations ;)

I think the best option is use Mountie as UU and we have Trudeau and Sir John A. MacDonald with 2 votes each one. Both looks like popular, what should I suppose to do? :lol:

Just to break the tie. I'll throw in a MacD vote.

And of course keep the mountie.

Just to break the tie. I'll throw in a MacD vote.

And of course keep the mountie.


is this the last vote? anyone else wanna vote? :cool:

Hehe. My computer isn't good enough to run cIV but I vote for Pierre Trudeau. Once I get a good enough computer I'm going to download this mod before even playing. OR why not just make both John and Pierre LHs? That way people could choose.

Because there's already a Champlain leaderhead and we can't have three Canadian leaders....yet.

I hope you don't mind CivArmy, but I had some spare time so I went ahead and made a proper mountie.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9649/mountie9kt.jpg

Yellow hats -- black horses -- pockets in shirt -- and string to their guns.

I'd like to suggest that you lower the power of the mountie along with its production cost if you are going to make it that much faster than the regular cavelry. The cavelry are, perhaps, the most powerful military unit in the game during its age -- imho.

Wow. I must say, Jecrell, that looks terrific.

Before 1763, Canada is used to represent the French society that live in America. So it’s not an absurdity to have Champlain as a leader and the flag of Canada, the red maple leaf, is a French Canadian symbol. For the second leader, I think Laurier can be good because he ruled with a politic of compromise between French and English, but Laurier is not in the choices. Macdon can be a good choice; he’s one of the father of the confederation (with Cartier and Brown).

For the UU, I think WW1 infantry is a good choice because it’s in this war that Canada win his autonomy. But with Champlain, a unit like a “courreur des bois” or a “voyageur” can be good to.

By the way, sorry for my bad English I’m a French Canadian and English is my second language.

And CivArmy s, your leaderheads and yours civs are very nice. I want to congratulate you.

(I hope my English is not to disastrous)

Your English is quite good C.Roland. :)

The reason I object to Champlain as leader is that he governed a French colony. A civ leader should be someone that ruled the independent country. MacDonald, Mackenzie King, Pearson, and Trudeau are all more than acceptable in that way. Laurier would be a good choice also. Perhaps it would be good to have one French Canadian PM(Trudeau/Laurier) and one English Canadian PM(MacDonald, Mackenzie King, Pearson). But either way, I would prefer someone who ruled an independent Canada.

@Jecrell - Very nice. :thumbsup:

Your English is quite good C.Roland. :)

The reason I object to Champlain as leader is that he governed a French colony. A civ leader should be someone that ruled the independent country. MacDonald, Mackenzie King, Pearson, and Trudeau are all more than acceptable in that way. Laurier would be a good choice also. Perhaps it would be good to have one French Canadian PM(Trudeau/Laurier) and one English Canadian PM(MacDonald, Mackenzie King, Pearson). But either way, I would prefer someone who ruled an independent Canada.

@Jecrell - Very nice. :thumbsup:

I agree with beaver that the Canadian leaders should be leaders of independant Canada. Infantry is a nice UU but nothing symbolizes Canada more than the Canadian mountie. I'm not sure the power of the mountie should be changed at all. When I think of some other UU in Civ I think of Cossacks which are 18 in strength. If you change anything with the mounties I would give them all of the terrain bonuses because the mounties are known for their trek's from eastern to western Canada through the roadless terrain of Canada. They travelled through forest mountain and plain to protect the native peoples from American fur traders who were giving the natives booze and guns in exchange for furs. This was the wish of Sir John A MacDonald. On these journeys most of their horses died and their food was in short supply. It was no easy task and thats why I propose we give them some woodsman and the hills bonus(not sure what its called).

It was no easy task and thats why I propose we give them some woodsman and the hills bonus(not sure what its called).

Yes, that seems best.

cool Mountie! I'll use it for this mod!

and I decided, the 2nd leader will be MacDonald :)

Well, in that case, I have some pictures of him here (http://www.jkcc.com/jam/macdonald.jpg), here (http://www.cbcshop.ca/CBC/images/products/canada/canad00018(450).jpg), here (http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/riel/macdonald.jpg) and here (http://sirjohnmag.ca/can-jamac.jpg)

Can you just convert your old Trudeau leaderhead?

Well, in that case, I have some pictures of him here (http://www.jkcc.com/jam/macdonald.jpg), here (http://www.cbcshop.ca/CBC/images/products/canada/canad00018(450).jpg), here (http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/riel/macdonald.jpg) and here (http://sirjohnmag.ca/can-jamac.jpg)


thanks! :thanx:


Can you just convert your old Trudeau leaderhead?

Nope, I lost his model :( I use to save all my Civ3 LHs models, the single exception was Trudeau LH which I deleted by mistake :(

I noticed that Civarmies leaders do not have dialogue. Perhaps we can help him out with some dialogue for Mac D? Is that possible CivArmy? Here's a pretty good pic of him http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/BlowPhish/People/main-JAM.jpg and another one from a more frontal view.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/BlowPhish/People/macdonald.jpg
Here are some quotes I found from him. "These impulsive half-breeds have got spoiled by this emeute (uprising) and must be kept down by a strong hand until they are swamped by the influx of settlers." Sir John A. MacDonald Feb. 23, 1870
"Politics is a game requiring great coolness." Sir John A Macdonald,
Canadian Prime Minister
Never write a letter if you can help it, and never destroy one!

-- Sir John A. Macdonald

When fortune empties her chamber pot on your head, smile and say We are going to have a summer shower.

-- Sir John A. Macdonald
Beware of one who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds themself no wiser than before. They are full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way.
- Sir John A. MacDonald, Canada's first prime minister

I noticed that Civarmies leaders do not have dialogue. Perhaps we can help him out with some dialogue for Mac D? Is that possible CivArmy? Here's a pretty good pic of him and another one from a more frontal view.

Here are some quotes I found from him. "These impulsive half-breeds have got spoiled by this emeute (uprising) and must be kept down by a strong hand until they are swamped by the influx of settlers." Sir John A. MacDonald Feb. 23, 1870
"Politics is a game requiring great coolness." Sir John A Macdonald,
Canadian Prime Minister
Never write a letter if you can help it, and never destroy one!

-- Sir John A. Macdonald

When fortune empties her chamber pot on your head, smile and say We are going to have a summer shower.

-- Sir John A. Macdonald
Beware of one who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds themself no wiser than before. They are full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way.
- Sir John A. MacDonald, Canada's first prime minister


I don't know what XLM I have to edit to do that, but if someone wants to do that for me, yes, my pleasure to add the unique diplomacy in this new civ :D
And the first view of MacDonald LH this weekend friends ;)

Cool man I'll see what I can do. I'll start up a thread on the subject of how to do that.

What traits should he have?
I think 'expansionist' is a must, but the second I think should be 'organized'
EDIT: Never mind; Champlain already has these traits. How about "Industrious" for the second trait.

Thats a good question. I think to awnser that we'll have to dig a little deeper into some Sir John A Mac Biographies to find out more of what he did and was all about. I'll see what I can dig up do you think you could do the same? I'm not really into reading but I'm all for contributing lol.

Well I inquired about the editing of responses and someone suggested it'll be a gametext file. Probably CIV4DiplomacyText.xml

What traits should he have?
I think 'expansionist' is a must, but the second I think should be 'organized'
EDIT: Never mind; Champlain already has these traits. How about "Industrious" for the second trait.

I vote Expansive Industrious based on what I've read about him.

Sounds fair.

and for his favourite civic?

I don't know what XLM I have to edit to do that, but if someone wants to do that for me, yes, my pleasure to add the unique diplomacy in this new civ :D
And the first view of MacDonald LH this weekend friends ;)

I've got a bunch of work to do this weekend -- but I think I can get a lot of diplomacy done for a lot of your leaderheads next week or the week following.

and for his favourite civic?

Nationhood would be best.

Nationhood would fit the bill very nicely. :goodjob:

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This is the version preview of MacDonald, if u have tips to improve his face/props/scenario, please, post :)

It doesn't seem right. Mostly the hair. Perhaps some additional pictures could help.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/66/JaMAC.jpg
http://www.ferrisfuneral.com/images/johnamcd.gif


And here is a joke for us Canadians ;)

http://www.fewings.ca/2003/optimized/031126ActionFigure.jpg


Also, what is that in the background?

Can you make his hair prop any more 'solid?'; It looks kind of tranluscent right now.
And I think he should be wearing one of those big nineteenth-century ties.

His nose needs to be bigger and rounder at the tip.

I'll work on this leaderhead this week and I expect in this same week release the final version :D
A new preview tomorrow, I'll try ;)

Ohh just noticed somthing with his eyes. They are tilted the wrong way. Like the shape of the eyelids the tilt if you look and compare it with the picture. They are tilted the opposite way of his pictures.

This is the new version, what do u think?
unfortunally I don't have the 19th tie prop :(

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It's looking more like him.
I think you need to change that background, though.

Yeah thats definitly looking better. I think you might want to widen the mouth a little bit. And move the mouth a little closer to the chin. He's also got a really prominant forehead in his pictures. Something thats lacking in your latest one. So maybe if you move all his facial features downwards a bit or push the hair back it would look more like him. By the way I appreciate the time you've spent on this CivArmy.

http://www.vitruvio.ch/arcgallery/canada/canadianparliament_03.jpg

This is a reference for a better view from the window. I don't think it's actually visible from the Prime Minister's office, but it's the only part of the original parliament building which is still standing (the rest burned to the ground in 1916)

The hair is still the only thing I can see wrong. Give him hair similar to the pictures, and he should look fantastic.

Ok.. now lets talk about Patrick Roy.. famous entertainer?

A new preview this weekend ;) I'll try release the LH and the new version of this civ this weekend too :D

Ok.. now lets talk about Patrick Roy.. famous entertainer?

Entertainer? How about just making him the roi :king: of the whole Canadian civiliazation! Or bringing him back to hockey- I can't even keep track of who's starting instead of Aeberschir these days. Or spell Aevursher. Aebershir.

But Go Avs anyway!

the new view:
there is no hair prop available that looks like his one :(

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/2796/macdonald410x5122ms.png

:goodjob: Awesome!:goodjob:
The hair is close enough, in my opinion.

Ya I think it's looking like a younger John A.

Maybe John A. while he was Premier of Canada-West?

Hey did Jecrell ever get around to doing some dialogues for him?

Hey did Jecrell ever get around to doing some dialogues for him?

Next week I'll get to it.
Any suggestions / recommended reading materials would be helpful.

Next week I'll get to it.
Any suggestions / recommended reading materials would be helpful.

Allright I'll come up with some links tomorrow. Long day at work x|.

So, I'll wait for this new diplomacy and then release the new version with all the news :D


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BTW, I expect release "Next Level Mod" tomorrow or monday if I had time, I have to finish the XLM edition and test the mod :cool: This mod adds on your Civ4 21 new leaders including these two Canadian leaders. :D

Looks like I won't be able to get any links today. Where does the time go? I'll find some this week unless someone beats me to it.

Looks like I won't be able to get any links today. Where does the time go? I'll find some this week unless someone beats me to it.

if u want play as Canada right now u can to do that on the thread of "Next Level Mod", a mod which has all the LHs mines, including MacDonald, Champlain
and Mountie :D I didn't release this one yet, cos I'm waiting for the new diplomacy :)

How about Arhtur Currie who led the canadians to victory on Vimy Ridge?

Perhaps a WWI Infantry the likes of which ran over the trenches

Or a JTF2 soldier...special forces Joint Task Force soldier?

any progress with the diplomacy.txt??? I want to launch this civ with the new Mountie and the second leader!!! :D

How about Arhtur Currie who led the canadians to victory on Vimy Ridge?

Perhaps a WWI Infantry the likes of which ran over the trenches

Or a JTF2 soldier...special forces Joint Task Force soldier?

Currie was a general not a leader. He never led the country, only it's soldiers.

the new version of the Canadian civ was uploaded on post 01 :D

I still say that Champlain shouldn't be a leader for Canada :p

Just a thought but how about the father of healthcare, Tommy douglous, not like he wasnt voted the greatest canadian or anything ;) not like it wouldnt hurt ot have lots of different leaders so everybody is happy

Just a thought but how about the father of healthcare, Tommy douglous, not like he wasnt voted the greatest canadian or anything ;) not like it wouldnt hurt ot have lots of different leaders so everybody is happy

Good idea! (one, I am sure, which was not inspired at all by a recent CBC miniseries:rolleyes: )
At any rate, we should have atleast one western leader, and why not the greatest one ever?

I rather see Canada as the result of a National Wonder for France.

Effect: Lose the city where the National Wonder is built and rename it capital to Québec. New Civilization emerge: Name Canada. +100 faction, they love the French. They duplicate 20% of their economy and research to the French and receive a duplicate of 10% of the French economy and research. They get 4 extra explorers, 3 settlers, 2 musketman, 1 cavalry and 2 riffleman. Canadians should have no special units but a free promotion that give a +20% strengh to any unit who defend alone. Upon been conquered, the conqueror should be offered to restore the conquered civilization to gain the same benefit the Frenchs gains from it, upon accepting all cities with 10% canadians population revert back to this civ.

Same should be done with Australians for the English and every major civilization have an offspring (the Byzantines could be the National Wonder for the Romans).

The Americans should be the result of a World Wonder rather than a National Wonder, they should start at WAR with home country (still the +100) and a few fine tuning like that.

Anyway, this is only my opinion, as a Canadian myself.

Canadians Leaders: Frontenac (aggresive and philosophical) and Vaudreil (Spiritual and Organized)

I rather see Canada as the result of a National Wonder for France.

Effect: Lose the city where the National Wonder is built and rename it capital to Québec. New Civilization emerge: Name Canada. +100 faction, they love the French. They duplicate 20% of their economy and research to the French and receive a duplicate of 10% of the French economy and research. They get 4 extra explorers, 3 settlers, 2 musketman, 1 cavalry and 2 riffleman. Canadians should have no special units but a free promotion that give a +20% strengh to any unit who defend alone. Upon been conquered, the conqueror should be offered to restore the conquered civilization to gain the same benefit the Frenchs gains from it, upon accepting all cities with 10% canadians population revert back to this civ.

Same should be done with Australians for the English and every major civilization have an offspring (the Byzantines could be the National Wonder for the Romans).

The Americans should be the result of a World Wonder rather than a National Wonder, they should start at WAR with home country (still the +100) and a few fine tuning like that.

Anyway, this is only my opinion, as a Canadian myself.

Canadians Leaders: Frontenac (aggresive and philosophical) and Vaudreil (Spiritual and Organized)

An interesting, if unusual idea.

Sound pack for Canadian civ? anyone interested?

When you click on a worker they say canadian phrases and when you tell them to do something again a canadian phrase

If so I made one check it out!

Lots of fun.. OH!
and
14 new diplomacy tracks for your enjoyment
7 for the different eras in peace
and 7 for war
again check it out if you are interested.

How do u get it to work once you are in zip?

Any good historian will tell you that when the British were at war with "New France", the British called their enemies "Les Canadiens". The word "Canada" was used to describe "New France" well before what we now consider Canada ever existed.

Federalists in Quebec who love their role as Canadians consider Champlain to be one of their historical heroes. All this anti-Champlain rhetoric shows me why it is so hard for many Quebeckers to let go of history and "feel" Canadian. A shame...

sweat!! i am so adding these soon.:goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob:

Any good historian will tell you that when the British were at war with "New France", the British called their enemies "Les Canadiens". The word "Canada" was used to describe "New France" well before what we now consider Canada ever existed.

Federalists in Quebec who love their role as Canadians consider Champlain to be one of their historical heroes. All this anti-Champlain rhetoric shows me why it is so hard for many Quebeckers to let go of history and "feel" Canadian. A shame...

Champlain is important, but he is more a forefather than actually a leader IMO. Yes he did a lot of great thing, like founding the beloved city of Québec. He also make quite many deals with the native americans, however I don't think he should be the leader unless you are offering a LOT. He was a dreamer and a builder, but he never really has the means to create much. Also, the locals peoples consider themselves FRENCHS when Champlain is around; which is very important IMO as to determine if we are talking of Canada or a French colony. I don't even know who founded New York, or Boston, or Jamestown, yet nobody would put this guy as the main leader.

Vaudreuil is a guy that many despite or hate vividly, but he was quite important and this is pre-Conquest, aka "real Canada" if you want. Post-Conquest is not the same Canada, as even the "main language" is not even French anymore. Vaudreil was definitely a french noblesman, but he was leading Canada and he was not considering himself canadian, yet, he was leading Canada and he was quite effective, in his ways. His writing clearly indicated that the locals are not Frenchs, but Canadians. Vaudreuil is also the guy who was the leader when Canada changed from Pre-Conquest to Post-Conquest; even if he was an uncooperative bunch and things didn't turn how he would have wanted them to, he is the link. Without him, and the hatred that many Canadians harbor toward him, I don't think the British would have remain long here...Québec would prolly have join the American revolution if not for him, so even if he was not willing, he is responsible for the very existence of Canada today, since if Québec would have join the Americans, the poor loyalists have been crushed and it is only the local hatred that turn the Americans away, as they where nearly victorious...the only reason Canada exist today and ain't the 51th state...it is Vaudreuil...although Vaudreuil certainly didn't want to play that role, and that France did want us to join the Americans...Canada wouldn't be today if not for Vaudreuil.

Frontenac is prolly the most "warlike" leader in the pre-Conquest, yet he always has his interpretation, his way of doing things hehe. Peoples start considering themselves Canadians pretty much with this guy, although it is impossible to link it directly...thereby, he is to Canada the equivalent of Georges Washington. I personnally consider Frontenac the first Canadian, not litterally, but as in a figure of speech...despite all the contradictions.

Post-Conquest-Canada should use Mulroney, no matter how much peoples despite the guy. See, Trudeau is pretty much a poseur IMO, yeah yeah he did flashy things and he is popular, while Mulroney, peoples start to understand the real impact he has. The free trade agreement or the "Chartres des droits"? See, this charter was coming, it is from that era, is that really Trudeau's doing or is he an opportunist? While the free trade from Mulroney, it was against the wishes of the peoples, Mulroney manages to CHANGE Canada, which is something that Trudeau would never have done, Trudeau was just a good swimmer and going with the current and the tide, while Mulroney, he did went against it. It is only a matter of time before the history book display that correctly, but prolly won't be as long as the guy is alive. Yet, as I said, you have to determine either a Pre or Post Conquest. Like I said, I prefer the Pre as it is what determine everything, the Post certainly affect many aspects and present Canada, but it change what is already in place rather than create. My grandpa would talk of a guy in Winnipeg as an English, never as a Canadian, unless he speak french "perfectly", and there is nothing you can do to change his mind...and he has a point, even if I disagree with him.

Also, the pre-Conquest Canada would be more political, economic(as in immediate rewards) and warfare...while the Post-conquest is more industrial, peaceful and developpment. There is a huge distinction of both philosphies, as the French masters and the English masters didn't exactly request the same stuff, in fact it was quite opposite. English-speaking Canadians are really Canadians only very recently at any rate, they where either Loyalists or English for a very long time...as to be Canadians, they need to be 1 with Quebecers, and the proof that Quebec still have some doubts is proof that the majority of the country is still more or less Canadian...No amount of "I am Canadian" propaganda can change the truth, it is a new reality.

whoa lots of info and history here...
anyways it's a good mod but is stephen harper as a leader possible.
it's kinda random but at least you'll be up to date....
if you do make sure he's got scary gray eyes that look like that of a feral wolf.lol
but it' s true....