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Knight-Dragon
Nov 21, 2005, 10:30 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4443934.stm

Sixty years ago the US hired Nazi scientists to lead pioneering projects, such as the race to conquer space. These men provided the US with cutting-edge technology which still leads the way today, but at a cost.

The end of World War II saw an intense scramble for Nazi Germany's many technological secrets. The Allies vied to plunder as much equipment and expertise as possible from the rubble of the Thousand Year Reich for themselves, while preventing others from doing the same.

The range of Germany's technical achievement astounded Allied scientific intelligence experts accompanying the invading forces in 1945.

Supersonic rockets, nerve gas, jet aircraft, guided missiles, stealth technology and hardened armour were just some of the groundbreaking technologies developed in Nazi laboratories, workshops and factories, even as Germany was losing the war.

And it was the US and the Soviet Union which, in the first days of the Cold War, found themselves in a race against time to uncover Hitler's scientific secrets.

In May 1945, Stalin's legions secured the atomic research labs at the prestigious Kaiser Wilhelm Institute in the suburbs of Berlin, giving their master the kernel of what would become the vast Soviet nuclear arsenal.

US forces removed V-2 missiles from the vast Nordhausen complex, built under the Harz Mountains in central Germany, just before the Soviets took over the factory, in what would become their area of occupation. And the team which had built the V-2, led by Wernher von Braun, also fell into American hands.

Crimes

Shortly afterwards Major-General Hugh Knerr, deputy commander of the US Air Force in Europe, wrote: "Occupation of German scientific and industrial establishments has revealed the fact that we have been alarmingly backward in many fields of research.

"If we do not take the opportunity to seize the apparatus and the brains that developed it and put the combination back to work promptly, we will remain several years behind while we attempt to cover a field already exploited."

Thus began Project Paperclip, the US operation which saw von Braun and more than 700 others spirited out of Germany from under the noses of the US's allies. Its aim was simple: "To exploit German scientists for American research and to deny these intellectual resources to the Soviet Union."

Events moved rapidly. President Truman authorised Paperclip in August 1945 and, on 18 November, the first Germans reached America.

There was, though, one major problem. Truman had expressly ordered that anyone found "to have been a member of the Nazi party and more than a nominal participant in its activities, or an active supporter of Nazism militarism" would be excluded.

Under this criterion even von Braun himself, the man who masterminded the Moon shots, would have been ineligible to serve the US. A member of numerous Nazi organisations, he also held rank in the SS. His initial intelligence file described him as "a security risk".

And von Braun's associates included:

Arthur Rudolph, chief operations director at Nordhausen, where 20,000 slave labourers died producing V-2 missiles. Led the team which built the Saturn V rocket. Described as "100 per cent Nazi, dangerous type".

Kurt Debus, rocket launch specialist, another SS officer. His report stated: "He should be interned as a menace to the security of the Allied Forces."

Hubertus Strughold, later called "the father of space medicine", designed Nasa's on-board life-support systems. Some of his subordinates conducted human "experiments" at Dachau and Auschwitz, where inmates were frozen and put into low-pressure chambers, often dying in the process.
All of these men were cleared to work for the US, their alleged crimes covered up and their backgrounds bleached by a military which saw winning the Cold War, and not upholding justice, as its first priority.

And the paperclip which secured their new details in their personnel files gave the whole operation its name. Sixty years on, the legacy of Paperclip remains as vital as ever.

With its radar-absorbing carbon impregnated plywood skin and swept-back single wing, the 1944 Horten Ho 229 was arguably the first stealth aircraft.

The US military made one available to Northrop Aviation, the company which would produce the $2bn B-2 Stealth bomber - to all intents and purposes a modern clone of the Horten - a generation later.

Cruise missiles are still based on the design of the V-1 missile and the scramjets powering Nasa's state-of-the-art X-43 hypersonic aircraft owe much to German jet pioneers.

Added to this, the large number of still-secret Paperclip documents has led many people, including Nick Cook, Aerospace Consultant at Jane's Defence Weekly, to speculate that the US may have developed even more advanced Nazi technology, including anti-gravity devices, a potential source of vast amounts of free energy.

Cook says that such technology "could be so destructive that it would endanger world peace and the US decided to keep it secret for a long time".

But, while celebrating the undoubted success of Project Paperclip, many will prefer to remember the thousands who died to send mankind into space.
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Plotinus
Nov 22, 2005, 12:45 AM
Interesting stuff. But hang on. Anti-gravity devices? When precisely did the Nazis invent those?

Mongoloid Cow
Nov 22, 2005, 03:50 AM
Yeah, the anti-gravity devices are out of left fiend. But the rest of it seems very believable.

privatehudson
Nov 22, 2005, 12:49 PM
Interesting stuff. But hang on. Anti-gravity devices? When precisely did the Nazis invent those?

After they rediscovered the Ark of the Covenant, around the same time that they built flying saucers, but before they all went into cyrogenic freezing under the Artic Pole :mischief:

Mongoloid Cow
Nov 22, 2005, 02:03 PM
You seem to know much Privatehudson... too much :scan:

Plotinus
Nov 22, 2005, 07:52 PM
That's because he's one of the giant lizards from outer space that control the world! I knew it!

privatehudson
Nov 23, 2005, 01:07 AM
Damn, my cover is blown, I'll have to kill you all now. Sorry for any inconvinience this may cause :)

Knight-Dragon
Nov 23, 2005, 06:54 AM
Pls stop spamming this thread...:p

Hornblower
Nov 23, 2005, 06:56 AM
I am amazed at the sheer size and scope of what Paperclip produced. I wonder whether the Soviet version had similar results.


The lizards are coming and Von Braun invited them!
Actually wasn't there a cheesy TV show in the 80's that had Nazi type lizards arriving from space?

silver 2039
Nov 23, 2005, 07:00 AM
The lizards are coming and Von Braun invited them!
Actually wasn't there a cheesy TV show in the 80's that had Nazi type lizards arriving from space?

Do you refer to Harry Turtuledoves Worldwar series....which are books and written after the 80's I think.

Hornblower
Nov 23, 2005, 08:54 AM
The World War in the Balance series? No though I have read them.

The series I refer to was called "V". The lizards arrive and sport a red symbol with a swaztika type motif on their ships and funky red jumpsuits. It was really bad but to a ten year old spacefaring carnivorous lizards disguised as humans was kinda cool.
Though I don't want to jack the thread as Knight-Lizard... um Knight-Dragon might get annoyed.

Back on topic though I do believe that the US was fairly blatant when it came to confiscating morally questionable research. Everyone was doing it! They had supposedly borrowed heavily from the Japanese medical prison camp experiments on human exposure for the chemical warfare programs. The human exposure experiments done by the Japanese undoubtedly ended up in the space program research too.

Octavian X
Nov 23, 2005, 09:27 PM
That doesn't mean the U.S. had a right to be hypocritical in its response - plenty of people were hung at Nurenburg for supervising these activities. Isn't that moral price too costly? Scientific advancement, which I generally believe to be a wonderful thing, certainly doesn't have to resort to relying on genocide. Sure, once this terrible data has been collected, it is difficult not to use it, but I would think that the proper response would have been to take responsibility and publicly recognize these actions while moving those scientists to the United States.

Hornblower
Nov 24, 2005, 03:33 AM
That leads me to thinking about the Iraqi Supergun that was discovered after the 91 Gulf War. It was designed to hit Israel with advanced munitions including chemical and nuclear payloads. At the time the world was astounded that the program had got so far and was so advanced. I can't recall the name of the scientist but he was a foreign rogue agent employed by Saddam. I think Mossad got him eventually.
15 years later extended range ordnance and artillery is about to hit the streets in advanced field guns and next generation naval armament. Now I am not saying that it was thanks to the Iraqi supergun but I bet that they had a good look through all the research before destroying it. I would.