Happy Thanksgiving to my American mates, here's a gift. :) (No one else acted on the surge of anticipation for an Irish civ...)

This is still a work in progress, but you can have what I've come up with so far.

Civ: Ireland
Flag: Boru Harp
UU: Gallowglass (Swordsmen)
Techs: Hunting, Mysticism

Leader: James II
Skin: Louis XIV
Favorite Civic: Free Religion
Traits: Spiritual, Creative

Leader: Brian Boru
Skin: Genghis Khan (Reskinned by LAnkou)
Favorite Civic: Nationhood
Traits: Aggressive, Expansive



Enjoy.



Download Here (http://www.strogg.org/Ireland_4.zip)
Last Updated: 11/28/05

I also haven't done Civilopedia entries yet. It's a holiday and I was in a rush.

bonus vs archers probably
ps im irish and i must say THANKYOOOOO for this :D

FINALLY!
thanks

Think nothing of it. We're all sons of Erin, just some of us are in denial.

Yeah, bonus against archers makes sense. Irish armies were able to withstand foreign attempts at domination for over 500 years. (Granted the Gallowglasses were foreign units similar to the Varangian Guard. ;))

how about an IRB Flying Collumn for a UU? bonus vs other infantry?

If we went with something modern, we'd need a modern leader like deV or Collins. I'll leave the verdict on the UU open, but in the meantime I've fixed the flag. (Edited top post for link)

definitely very nice.. if I hadn't already finished my own version I would definitely be using this.. great work

I also haven't done Civilopedia entries yet. It's a holiday and I was in a rush.

arent the irish = the celtic?
isnt there a celtic mod yet?

it shoulda been in the original civ

arent the irish = the celtic?
isnt there a celtic mod yet?

it shoulda been in the original civ

Only things I took from them are Civ traits and the Brian Boru leader. Different UU, different Civ color, different flag, different cities, and no Verc'rix.

I made a civilopedia entry for James II and updated the UU a bit. I'll upload that shortly.

ireland was colonised by early celts, so their culture evolved differently to mainland celts of latter ages. the have their own unique gods, legends and language.

ireland was colonised by early celts, so their culture evolved differently to mainland celts of latter ages. the have their own unique gods, legends and language.

Yeah. the early celts (Example: the Gauls and possibly Picts) had little in common with the medieval Irish.

Celts from Spain ['celtiberians'] colonized Ireland and named it after one of their Goddesses [eriu]. They then several centuries later colonized Scotland, Iceland, Man, etc.

Unfortunately, the Welsh, Bretons, and Cornish are not among these, so they're very distant cousins.

That's why the Celtic civ is too broad to work for the modern era. It's like having a Slavic civ and using Rurik and Stalin.

the picts lived in what is now scotland. the original scots lived in what is now northern ireland. the picts went south and assimilated into cumbrians (so unique to other english they nearly need a civ of their own!)
the N.I scots moved into scotland and the geals moved north to northern ireland.
the origins of the colonisation of ireland are fuzzy ones. the irish say that the someones, (cant remember name) were the first, then the some other ones (cant remember) and finaly the some other others (once again, memory fails me). but the iberians are the most likely "culprits".

the picts lived in what is now scotland. the original scots lived in what is now northern ireland. the picts went south and assimilated into cumbrians (so unique to other english they nearly need a civ of their own!)
the N.I scots moved into scotland and the geals moved north to northern ireland.
the origins of the colonisation of ireland are fuzzy ones. the irish say that the someones, (cant remember name) were the first, then the some other ones (cant remember) and finaly the some other others (once again, memory fails me). but the iberians are the most likely "culprits".
The "N.I. Scots" who went to Caledonia and the people of Ireland are the same people. The kingdom of Dal Riada (founded by O'Neills who later became the MacAlpins) existed in Eastern Ulster as well as South-western Scotland. They lost their Ulster territory and were forced to focus on the Eastern front. Similar to the Roman Empire when you think about it ;)

well if you want to get reeeeeeeeeealy technical, no two irish tútha (sp?) were similar at all, each having at least one unique legendary-hero-family member-person :D ;)

well if you want to get reeeeeeeeeealy technical, no two irish tútha (sp?) were similar at all, each having at least one unique legendary-hero-family member-person :D ;)

That's the realm of fantasy. I thought we were talking things/people that really existed ;)

im hurt. for all you know they could have been real ;)

im hurt. for all you know they could have been real ;)

We Irish had to abandon our phony gods eventually. Nobody takes Remus and Romulus literally. ;)

i dont like you any more ;)
you're from cork,and you know how us, well normal irishmen feel about your type :D langer :)

i dont like you any more ;)
you're from cork,and you know how us, well normal irishmen feel about your type :D langer :)

Here's to having Ratzinger named Head of State instead of McAleese.

I vote you create a Gael mod, and ignore these political divisions which divide the ancient Gaelic lands. Niall Noigíallach and Roibert a Briuis could be the two leaders. The latter is often thought of as a Norman, but his mother was a Gael, and he obviously thought Gaelic to be his first language. Both are appropriate for large-scale pan-Gaelic activities, unlike Brian Bóruma or his Scottish equivalent Máel Coluim II, who both largely confined themselves to their own islands.

I vote you create a Gael mod, and ignore these political divisions which divide the ancient Gaelic lands. Niall Noigíallach and Roibert a Briuis could be the two leaders. The latter is often thought of as a Norman, but his mother was a Gael, and he obviously thought Gaelic to be his first language. Both are appropriate for large-scale pan-Gaelic activities, unlike Brian Bóruma or his Scottish equivalent Máel Coluim II, who both largely confined themselves to their own islands.

You're the same guy who refused to have a Gaelic culture in Crusader Kings. Is this a vote of confidence for my abilities? ;)

I wouldn't be against a Gael mod, but I'd probably make that separately. :)

You're the same guy who refused to have a Gaelic culture in Crusader Kings. Is this a vote of confidence for my abilities? ;)

I wouldn't be against a Gael mod, but I'd probably make that separately. :)

Who's this? Brian Bóruma?

Yeah, I was. The problem there was and is naming, as I said many a time. Otherwise, I'd be perfectly for it.

Who's this? Brian Bóruma?

Yeah, I was. The problem there was and is naming, as I said many a time. Otherwise, I'd be perfectly for it.
Aye, t'is one in the same. Naming is the main problem in all Pan-Gaelic activities, because "Scotia" has been identified with your folks, even though it historically represented both. ;)

Aye, t'is one in the same. Naming is the main problem in all Pan-Gaelic activities, because "Scotia" has been identified with your folks, even though it historically represented both. ;)

I meant more like I couldn't have Scottish kings and mormaers called Diarmaid, Brian and Conchobar; likewise, I didn't want every second Irish kinglet called Máel Coluim, and you yourself were averse to Irish Causantíns. But this is for CK forum, and not here. G'luck with this project.

I meant more like I couldn't have Scottish kings and mormaers called Diarmaid, Brian and Conchobar; likewise, I didn't want every second Irish kinglet called Máel Coluim, and you yourself were averse to Irish Causantíns. But this is for CK forum, and not here. G'luck with this project.
I only commented that you were against Pan-Gaelic work before, and that it was ironic that you would support it for Civ 4. Didn't mean to bring up old daemons. :)

Ireland's colour should be green. the screenshot has them in yellow?

Ireland's colour should be green. the screenshot has them in yellow?

Green being associated with Ireland is a recent occurance that happened after the Norman invasion. Before that, the colors of Ireland were blue and gold. Since France, Scotland, etc. are using blue as their textcolor, I thought gold would be best for Ireland, although green does make sense for obvious "association" reasons.

Ireland's flag before the English invaded was the modern flag of Munster, three golden crowns on a dark blue banner. After Henry VII named himself king, he changed it to a golden "Boru" harp on blue, which has stuck ever since (Even the President of Ireland uses it.)

So basically, the color of your borders is decided by your primary color, which I set to yellow. I changed the textcolor to green today in the latest update. :)

Ireland's colour should be green. the screenshot has them in yellow?

Second that. I know what you're saying about the pre- and post Norman thing. But to me, the "Boru" harp and the green of the Isle will always go together.

Otherwise, nice mod.

Second that. I know what you're saying about the pre- and post Norman thing. But to me, the "Boru" harp and the green of the Isle will always go together.

Otherwise, nice mod.
So you're a Leinsterman? ;)

the picts lived in what is now scotland. the original scots lived in what is now northern ireland. the picts went south and assimilated into cumbrians (so unique to other english they nearly need a civ of their own!)
the N.I scots moved into scotland and the geals moved north to northern ireland.
the origins of the colonisation of ireland are fuzzy ones. the irish say that the someones, (cant remember name) were the first, then the some other ones (cant remember) and finaly the some other others (once again, memory fails me). but the iberians are the most likely "culprits".

I believe the original name for Ireland was Hibernia. Maybe it was some of these guys you are thinking of?

yes, i know its Hibernia, which i think i said in the Scotland thread.

No Eremon or Eber Finn as leaders?

Come on! The original Irishmen, the sons of Milesius, shouldn't one of them be there? ;)

No Eremon or Eber Finn as leaders?

Come on! The original Irishmen, the sons of Milesius, shouldn't one of them be there? ;)

We all have our Milesian kings that we'd want in, since any Irish person is probably descended from a High King somewhere.

Hell, I'd be inclined to add Rudraige Mór or Conall Cernach for dynastical reasons ;)

I'd make their UU a bard, btw, if I could think of useful abilities for it...

I'd make their UU a bard, btw, if I could think of useful abilities for it...
Hmm.. Bards sing. Morale? *shrug*

I love it!

For a UU, the Irish Republican Army used Guerrilla tactics which harassed the British Empire for a long time. They did this in many ways though. They seemed to be efficient at planting bombs and more or less ruining cities for a long time so a siege weapon of some sort, like a petrol bomber (Molotov cocktails).

I've said it a few times but since it's (arguably) wrong, it falls on deaf ears. I've been hesitant to include Dev, Collins, or anything related to the struggle for independence from Britain because it could stir up sectarian feelings.

An IRA unique unit does make sense, and so do republican leaderheads... but if we do that, it's only fair to add Mr. Cromwell for England as well. (Then again, they already have Lizzie, and she was almost as bad. Worse, for my family anyway.)

Ahh yes, don't forget Lord Grey either...

Ahh yes, don't forget Lord Grey either...
...Or Churchill. ;)

The man reluctantly signed the document handing Ireland her (partial) freedom, lived in Dublin as a youth, had an American mother and yet he still didn't understand freedom.. Either that or he just hated the Irish :(

Somebody ought to do a Northern Irish civ...
And James II wasn't even Irish, he was Anglo-Scottish.
Ye should have King Billy! lol

To put the IRA in would just be insulting, after all they've done. Ye might as well put in suicide bombers for the Arabs. Ah well, Yankees never did understand.

Somebody ought to do a Northern Irish civ...
And James II wasn't even Irish, he was Anglo-Scottish.
Ye should have King Billy! lol

He was ruling king of Ireland two years after England and Scotland's parliaments voted him out. He was Roman Catholic and he supported more freedoms for the Gaels.

He wasn't Irish, per se, although he was, as a Stewart, the heir to the Bruce legacy, which elected a Bruce King of Ireland.

To put the IRA in would just be insulting, after all they've done. Ye might as well put in suicide bombers for the Arabs. Ah well, Yankees never did understand.
Exactly why I said I wouldn't put them in. It might be more accurate, but I find the idea to be very sectarian.

To put the IRA in would just be insulting, after all they've done. Ye might as well put in suicide bombers for the Arabs. Ah well, Yankees never did understand.
its just a game and they would an interesting unit to use
and irelands coulour has to be green its called the emerald isle for a reason

To put the IRA in would just be insulting, after all they've done. Ye might as well put in suicide bombers for the Arabs. Ah well, Yankees never did understand.
Why insulting? If Britian would have given back all of Ireland we wouldn't have these problems. The British Government is as much to blame as the IRA. It's a pity most people don't see or understand this. Prejudicial media has not helped. To believe the British Government is innocent is pure ignorance.

Why insulting? If Britian would have given back all of Ireland we wouldn't have these problems. The British Government is as much to blame as the IRA. It's a pity most people don't see or understand this. Prejudicial media has not helped. To believe the British Government is innocent is pure ignorance.

Britain had always valued their own more than outsiders. It's why Cromwell sold the Irish into slavery, it's why Catholicism was banned. The idea that a counties that were 2/3 Protestant would be governed not by the PM and the King but by some Irish Catholic radicals was alarming to London.

Of course, it was complete crap. Many of Ireland's patriots were protestants, such as President Douglas Hyde and Wolfe Tone.

But the British could/would never give up land -- especially Protestant land -- away if they didn't have to.

A tragedy, since it was a terrible mistake, but British Ireland policy has always been a mistake. That doesn't excuse the fact that the MODERN Provos and other IRA terrorist factions have forever tainted the name of the original Irish Republican Army.

Be careful who you call terrorist!

Britain had always valued their own more than outsiders. It's why Cromwell sold the Irish into slavery, it's why Catholicism was banned. The idea that a counties that were 2/3 Protestant would be governed not by the PM and the King but by some Irish Catholic radicals was alarming to London.

Of course, it was complete crap. Many of Ireland's patriots were protestants, such as President Douglas Hyde and Wolfe Tone.

But the British could/would never give up land -- especially Protestant land -- away if they didn't have to.

A tragedy, since it was a terrible mistake, but British Ireland policy has always been a mistake. That doesn't excuse the fact that the MODERN Provos and other IRA terrorist factions have forever tainted the name of the original Irish Republican Army.

I agree with you Sadistik.

The thing is that the still great majority of Northern Irishmen are either Protestants Ulster-Scots/English (like myself) or Catholics Hibernians who are not Republicans. Of course some protestants (especially in the south) are indeed Nationalists but most just aren't. If the majority of people don't want to leave the United Kingdom then we shouldn't be made to. We feel as British as we feel Irish. I know that the English have done awful things in Ireland, but so have the Irish. As for the original IRA not being terrorists... my granda's uncle was killed by them and they turned on their own country (the Republic) causing a bloody civil war (they were outlawed by the Free State Government). Once, for example, they killed a British soldier who had just returned from fighting the Great War, simply because he was a Protestant. It was only later that they became a peaceful institution (they renamed themselves 'The Workers Party' to avoid association with the P.I.R.A.)

The thing is that the still great majority of Northern Irishmen are either Protestants Ulster-Scots/English (like myself) or Catholics Hibernians who are not Republicans. Of course some protestants (especially in the south) are indeed Nationalists but most just aren't. If the majority of people don't want to leave the United Kingdom then we shouldn't be made to. We feel as British as we feel Irish. I know that the English have done awful things in Ireland, but so have the Irish. As for the original IRA not being terrorists... my granda's uncle was killed by them and they turned on their own country (the Republic) causing a bloody civil war (they were outlawed by the Free State Government). Once, for example, they killed a British soldier who had just returned from fighting the Great War, simply because he was a Protestant. It was only later that they became a peaceful institution (they renamed themselves 'The Workers Party' to avoid association with the P.I.R.A.)


You're talking about now. I'm talking about 100 years ago where the Ireland problem could have been solved a dozen different ways. Where we agree is that the IRA is inappropriate. Where we disagree is that NI should exist as an independent entity, but that's political and doesn't matter as far as civ 4 goes.

The two Irish leaders should be Parnell and Collins. Enough said.
UU should be be IRB. No Irish language should be in it, it is dead language which many detest in Ireland. And yes Irelands colour is green and you cant say anything otherwise.

Excellent! Lovely to see this, But good grief don't but the rah in it. It's just not a cool thing to do. (I'm irish btw)

Its not cool to call them "the rah" either...

I clicked the download link and it comes up as unknown host. Same when hand typing adress into adress bar.

I'm thinking about downloading this. If I do, how would I go about editing the flag to have a green background. (Personal preference)

Thanks,
The Ninja :ninja:

Well im not from Ireland. But im %100 Irish American. Both my parents are from Belfast. So I was completely thrilled about this. In Civ 4 warlords I have the Celtia option. Which is ofcourse primitive Ireland. But its still not the same. So thanks. :)

Erin go Bragh

Why insulting? If Britian would have given back all of Ireland we wouldn't have these problems. The British Government is as much to blame as the IRA. It's a pity most people don't see or understand this. Prejudicial media has not helped. To believe the British Government is innocent is pure ignorance.

If the whole of Ireland had gained independance any time after about 1850, Ireland wouldn't exist as a separate state now. The Loyalists would have decimated the Republicans in open civil war and the ruined nation would have eventually reverted to British control.

hey i cant find it can u tell me where i might find it??

I havn't read the whole post so mabye you answered this already. But why did you make the Irish expansive. We've never been anything of the sort.

It's been almost half a year but... *bump*

I'd like to see more done with this.
Maybe even add Patrick Pearse as a leader?

Yeah, someone mentioned that might be insulting but... Come on.
There are peaceful Irish and Scottish nationalists who play Civ4, and it could always be amusing to see William Wallace of Scotland and Patrick Pearse of Ireland team up and take down Queen Elizabeth.

Yeah. the early celts (Example: the Gauls and possibly Picts) had little in common with the medieval Irish.

Celts from Spain ['celtiberians'] colonized Ireland and named it after one of their Goddesses [eriu]. They then several centuries later colonized Scotland, Iceland, Man, etc.

Unfortunately, the Welsh, Bretons, and Cornish are not among these, so they're very distant cousins.

That's why the Celtic civ is too broad to work for the modern era. It's like having a Slavic civ and using Rurik and Stalin.

Correction : Celtiberians are celts from Iberia (portugal and galiza more precisely),not from spain.

I went to Ireland in October and I love it,people were so "jealous" when knew that me and my friends were portuguese they said that Portugal is very popular there,the people is very kind and warm,when they see that you had lost they will help you without you asking for it,in Ireland I saw many flags of America (that made me thought that America could be an Irish colony :D) ,and I saw many flags with the harp,so I ask to the person who did this civ why the flag and colors of Ireland aren't green and orange/yellow??

Like this one: http://www.irishlegendsrugby.ie/irlimages/crest/leinsterFlag.gif

Correction : Celtiberians are celts from Iberia (portugal and galiza more precisely),not from spain.

,and I saw many flags with the harp,so I ask to the person who did this civ why the flag and colors of Ireland aren't green and orange/yellow??

Like this one: http://www.irishlegendsrugby.ie/irlimages/crest/leinsterFlag.gif

Thats a very complicated answer but I will try answer it. The flag above is an old Gaelic flag. It is still seen as a very nationalist/republican symbol. The current Irish flag is more of a non-denominational flag. The green stands for everything Gaelic and Catholic, while the orange stands for Protestans and William of Orange. The white symbolises peace between the two sides. This peace never really existed up until the last few years. The flag was first unveiled in 1870's? It became the free states flag in 1922. There is so much more to explain but I hope this is ok for now. If you want to know more you could buy several books, but don't be afraid to ask me anymore questions.

Think nothing of it. We're all sons of Erin, just some of us are in denial.

Hooray! Finally an Ireland civ for all us Paddies!!!!!!!!

Hmmm, when I follow your link it leads me to an empty domain. Never mind, it's a work in progress anyway and I'll visit when it's all up, hopefully.

Again, this thread is old. Please stop necromancing these threads.