I think it could be a great idea create a civ for Australia, what do u think? I just need some suggestions for leaders, city list, artwork reference and I can create this new one. I think there is a lot of Australians on these boarders and I think I didn't see a thread for them civ yet.
I have to create a new LHs pack soon and I'd like to add Australian in this new pack ;)

thanks.

Leader: Edmund Barton (1st PM)
Alt Leader: Robert Menzies (Longest serving PM)

Capital: Canberra
Artwork: European (English)

Leaders info found here: http://primeministers.naa.gov.au/fastfacts.asp

yeah this is a great idea, if you want i can post up some city names :)

yeah this is a great idea, if you want i can post up some city names :)

please, do that :D

@Dale: thanks for the suggestions!!!

Does anyone have more?

Crikey!

I WANT Steve Irwin as leader of Australian empire he would |20><><0|2

as for unique unit what about some kind of expeditionary corps, something ANZAC flavoured, like infantry with amphibious promotion(can attack from ships). Aussies were at Galipoli, right?

...or if no other leader comes to mind, then pick a Habsburg :p J/K

A flag I created that can be used for Australia, posted here as per CivArmy's request. What does everyone think of it? The shape of the stars got a little warped, but it shouldn't matter if the flag is displayed ingame.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/Australia.jpg

A flag I created that can be used for Australia, posted here as per CivArmy's request. What does everyone think of it? The shape of the stars got a little warped, but it shouldn't matter if the flag is displayed ingame.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/Australia.jpg


:thanx: Thanks man!!! Another good flag your's to my civis :D

A flag I created that can be used for Australia, posted here as per CivArmy's request. What does everyone think of it? The shape of the stars got a little warped, but it shouldn't matter if the flag is displayed ingame.

it looks great, its another good thing it dosnt have the england part on it to show that australia is independent

This is just me so if you want to completely ignore(or correct) me but...

Australia was a penial colony for the british, and before that it was just barb tribes...

now it is its own place, but I really cant see a australian civ even less than I can see a american, sumarian, or scandinavin.

read the signature it tells the truth!!

australia was like a giant prison for lawbreakers and irish ( :) )
although whats wrong with scandanavia or sumerian (i admit sumerian is a wee bit too generic)
i can see your point on an american civ, but it HAS been around for 200~ years
and australia should be its own civ as it has been for something like 150~ years

Sounds like a good idea, the Autralians could use a bit of cilivizing. ;-)

Max

Canberra is current capital but Sydney was first city... though they made Moscow Russias first so i guess it doesnt really matter

:mischief: australia was like a giant prison for lawbreakers and irish ( :) )
although whats wrong with scandanavia or sumerian (i admit sumerian is a wee bit too generic)
i can see your point on an american civ, but it HAS been around for 200~ years
and australia should be its own civ as it has been for something like 150~ years

Australia is a young country by comparisson to England, USA, Germany and well pretty much everyone else. Established in 1788 and Federated in 1901 - well thats the white mans story.

" Aboriginal settlers arrived on the continent from Southeast Asia about 40,000 years before the first Europeans began exploration in the 17th century. No formal territorial claims were made until 1770, when Capt. James COOK took possession in the name of Great Britain. Six colonies were created in the late 18th and 19th centuries; they federated and became the Commonwealth of Australia in 1901. The new country took advantage of its natural resources to rapidly develop its agricultural and manufacturing industries and to make a major contribution to the British effort in World Wars I and II. In recent decades, Australia has transformed itself into an internationally competitive, advanced market economy. It boasted one of the OECD's fastest growing economies during the 1990's, a performance due in large part to economic reforms adopted in the 1980's. Long-term concerns include pollution, particularly depletion of the ozone layer, and management and conservation of coastal areas, especially the Great Barrier Reef. "

Even with a population of only 20million I think it would be cool to have an Australian Civ to play with, I would.. but I am not sure if I am biased. :mischief:

Any more suggestions for leaders and UU???
BTW, cool civilopedia entry! :D

uu: i'd still say ANZAC (or Ned-Kelly style rogue unit?)

Any more suggestions for leaders and UU???
BTW, cool civilopedia entry! :D

Crocodile Dundee. Before him we Americans weren't even aware that Australia was inhabited. :-) Make him a specialist Entertainer.

Max

Im Australian and i love the Idea of an Aussie civ!!!!! if you need any city ideas drops us a line and Ill be more than happy to help u out :-D Ive heard nothing but great ideas here. i like the idea of an AZAC as the uu maybe replace infantry???

Always wanted to visit Australia, but the flight etc. are quite expansive....so an Aussie Civ could compensate my lack of money.

UU Suggestions:
Aborigine Boomerang Hunter (replaces Warrior or Archer,something early)
Dame Edna *g*

Always wanted to visit Australia, but the flight etc. are quite expansive....so an Aussie Civ could compensate my lack of money.

UU Suggestions:
Aborigine Boomerang Hunter (replaces Warrior or Archer,something early)
Dame Edna *g*
that is a great idea!!

UU: Russel Crowe. Throws phones at the enemy. :D

Always wanted to visit Australia, but the flight etc. are quite expansive....so an Aussie Civ could compensate my lack of money.

UU Suggestions:
Aborigine Boomerang Hunter (replaces Warrior or Archer,something early)
Dame Edna *g*
good idea, but im not sure how an aboriginal hunter would stand up in most aussies opinion, we still wont apologise for stealing their kids 40 years ago. As good as the idea is im afraid some might see it as bad taste:confused:

UU: Russel Crowe. Throws phones at the enemy. :D
cool idea, but isnt russel Crowe from New Zealand???? :confused:

well i had the idea of having aboriginal units up until the industrial era and then it turns into white people :)

Gough Whitlam any one?
maybe their UU could be scout, with 200% vs animal lol

I expect release this new civ soon fellows, so, if anyone else has more suggestions, it's time to post ;) :)

and off course, leaderheads previews here before the launch date.

What about the Sentinel Tank?

I would like to see either an SAS unit (Marine that has the Commando and Mobility promotion but not the Amphibious promotion), or a Light Horse Regiment (a mounted Infantry unit, so given move 2 and withdraw from combat, similar to the Persian Immortal).
These two units are probably the most recognised and militarily successful units in Australian military history (IMO), with the Australian Light Horse having made the last successful great cavalry charge (which to my mind is pretty impressive for a unit that was not a cavalry unit, i.e. they were not meant to fight from horseback) at the Battle for Beersheba in 1917.

City list (in approx order of current population - im not sure once they start getting small):

Sydney
Melbourne
Brisbane
Adelaide
Perth
Newcastle
Woollongong
Canberra (Capital)
Darwin
Hobart
Gold Coast
Cairns
Townsville
Albury
Alice Springs
Coffs Harbour
Gosford
Geelong
Dubbo
Mildura
Kalgoorlie
Toowoomba
Rockhampton
Mackay
Ballarat
Port Macquarie
Sunshine Coast
Tamworth
Bandaburg

How many do you need?

City list (in approx order of current population - im not sure once they start getting small):

Sydney
Melbourne
Brisbane
Adelaide
Perth
Newcastle
Woollongong
Canberra (Capital)
Darwin
Hobart
Gold Coast
Cairns
Townsville
Albury
Alice Springs
Coffs Harbour
Gosford
Geelong
Dubbo
Mildura
Kalgoorlie
Toowoomba
Rockhampton
Mackay
Ballarat
Port Macquarie
Sunshine Coast
Tamworth
Bandaburg

How many do you need?

bunch of british city names here, i know it does exist in australia, but conflicting with current game

also, gold coast? sunshine coast? not really city names

orange
goulburn
wagga wagga :)

bunch of british city names here, i know it does exist in australia, but conflicting with current game

also, gold coast? sunshine coast? not really city names

orange
goulburn
wagga wagga :)
all of those are australian city names. remember australia was an english colony

i didnt really mind aus being left out of civ3. but i was a little peeved that ptw didnt fix that. then i was annoyed when conquests left it too. its simply insulting that aus doesnt even get a mention in civ4. glad someones doing something about it.

i personally would like to see Whitlam as the leader. although he didnt preside the longest, he was the greatest damn primeminister the country has seen. governments have only been going downhill ever since.

UU:
ANZAC (reason obvious)
Light Cav (also served extensively throughout WWs, a part of ANZAC, more specific than just 'ANZAC')
or SAS (decribed as the most disciplined and well trained soldiers in the world. serving in both recent conflicts, iraq and afghanistan, suffering not a single casualty. that im aware of)

City names... as suggested above. they may conflict with england, but they do exist in aus. and i don't see any reason to exclude Goldcoast.


and i think a new civ trait need to be given to australia. 'laidback' and 'don't give a damn'. jk :lol:

Wow. An Australian civ would rock, and its great to read all of the interest about one from peeps from different countries :D

The Aussie UU could be the SAS, sort of similar to that of the Marine, however with a more all-round feeling instead of being mostly Amphibious like the America's Marines.

Or maybe it could be our infamous Collins class submarine, which was nothing more than a disaster ;) Give it abilities similar to that of the sub currently in the game, but also give it a +95% of being spotted by any ship :D

O, and add Toowoomba to the Aussie city list ;)

Great Leaders -

Gough Whitlam
John Curtin
Bob Hawke
Steve Waugh
Shane Warne

Entertainers

ACDC

Leader: For what I read we have 3 leaders: Edmund Barto, Robert Menzies and Steve Irwin. Let's start with single one and late add the second, what do u vote for fellows? Just one vote per posters :)
And what suppose to be his bon

UU: We have these ones:
- Anzac, looks like the most popular
- Aborigine Boomerang Hunter, maybe this one could be used for any local civ before the modern Australia was founded.
- Sentinel Tank
- SAS
- Australian Light Horse, looks like the second most popular.

Untill now I fell Anzac is the best option, any more suggestions?

City list: we have one done by Phal78 (post number 28), thanks! I use to have limit of 50 names for this list, if u want add more, post ;)

Civilopedia entry: we have one done by Kulgan (post number 13), thanks!

Leaders list: we have one on post number 33 posted by Deev, thanks! But I didn't know untill now how to change the leaders list of any new civ :( But I can use it when I discovery how to do that ;)

Color: what color Australia should use?

Flag: SuBI did one on page number 01, thanks!

I vote for Australian Light Horse as UU.
Personally I don't think the UU should be ANZAC, as this was a combined force of Australian and New Zealand troops (hence the name Australia and New Zealand Army Corps).

I vote for Robert Menzies as PM - he was the longest serving PM and was PM during part of WWII (there were a total of five PM's during WWII).
Steve Irwin would be a great Entertainer, but he's not a PM (at least not yet ;) )

Is it possible to do green and gold for colour?

Is it possible to do green and gold for colour?

yes, it is, green could be the Australian color ;)

one vote for Robert Menzies as 1st leader, anyone else wanna vote? :cool:

Yeah, I belive the SAS would be a better UU for Australia, ANZAC's weren't uniquely Australian

Yeah, I belive the SAS would be a better UU for Australia, ANZAC's weren't uniquely Australian

true, but as there is currently no 'NZ' civilization, australia does hold a monopoly on ANZACs. but thats why i think light horse is a better choice. more 'australian' whilst still keeping a part of ANZACs.

and lacking support for Whitlam as the leader, i throw my support for menzies.

ps. Steve Irwin should be shot. multiple times. and then fed to the crocs. good riddence

Yes, I vote Light Horse as well. They had a major impact on WWI in the middle east. Theres even several movies about it.

UU: Anzacs*, infantry, higher strength or
Leader: Governor Lauchlan Macquarie**

*Australian and New Zealand troops in WWI & WWII had the highest comparative success rate of all allied forces but also the highest mortality rate; this reflects some form of dedicated morale - i.e. getting the job done at all costs. I wonder how that would translate into game terms.

**Governor Macquarie (arrived 1810) was a strong early leader known for completing immense civic works in the new settlement, and for his emancipation of convicts and good leadership. While a pre federation leader, historically he was significant. For more information: http://www.hawkesburyhistory.org.au/articles/macquarie.html

Yeah, I belive the SAS would be a better UU for Australia, ANZAC's weren't uniquely Australian

The SAS isn't uniquely Australian at all.. all we have is an Australian Regiment of the SAS, which is British.

I vote for the Australian Light Horse, as it was something we as aussies tried out on our own in WW1, and to some success.

Great Leaders:- Umm... do we have any? Gough Whitlam is the ONLY Australian PM to be purged from the top job..

Bob Hawke, Paul Keating - Can we actually look back and identify just what they did that was great? The same goes for John Howard too.

Scientific Great People
William Henry Bragg
William Lawrence Bragg
Frank Macfarlane Burnet
John Eccles
Fred Hollows
Garth Illingworth
Bernard Katz

City list, the long one I saw looked good, however Newcastle must be removed as it's an English City Civ name.

Perhaps for a leader, Governor Macquarie

I'm amazed no-one has mentioned John Curtin (http://john.curtin.edu.au/resources/biography/details.html), our first leader to stand for Australias interests over those of the British, and the first to independantly declare war on a nation (Japan; after Pearl Harbor).

Leader: Governor Lauchlan Macquarie**

**Governor Macquarie (arrived 1810) was a strong early leader
problem being... he's only a governor. 'Australia' didnt really form until Federation in 1901.

Although light horse gets my first preference, i still think sas is valid too. although it is only a section of the british sas, aus one is much better and really is unique. And i don't think the sas should be like american marines. they are completely different (that is, better trained, and more disciplined, with better success ratios).


Gough Whitlam is the ONLY Australian PM to be purged from the top job..

but the reasons behind the purging are a bit... sus to say the least. remember 'god save the queen, but NO ONE WILL SAVE THE GOVERNOR GENERAL'

and he was right. the guy was practically exiled.

after that the gg has always been to scared to risk sacking the pm.

Whitlam was still australia's greatest leader. i still think he should be the leader of an Australian nation.


So to sum up my votes:
UU first choice: light horse
UU scd choice: Aus SAS

LH first choice: Whitlam
LH scd choice: Menzies




PS: how about we get a poll going to vote on UU and Leaders?

I think this mod is a good idea. Australia is a reasonably big player in current world events, and we have a ton of bartering power. We also have one of the finest (if smallest) militaries on Earth. Also, Australians have done a lot for the world - Howard Florey (for the most part) discovered penicillin, some other Aussie invented the Inertia Belt (which is the thing that makes up seatbelts, +1 health for that!), and as I've been informed by VB commercials, it was also an Australian that invented the modern Refridgerator. I should also point out that Australia tends to follow trends from the U.S., whereas New Zealand sticks to England's trends. We may not be the most populous peoples on Earth but we've made a large impact on the world today.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/as.html

"Australia has an enviable Western-style capitalist economy, with a per capita GDP on par with the four dominant West European economies."

I also vote for the SAS (trooper) being the unique unit- they train Special Forces-types from all over the world. Our SAS also happens to be one of the best, if not the best organizations of its type in the world today.

Aussie Aussie Aussie!

Oi Oi Oi

Well, I can see the arguements with Governor Macquarie, and that's fair enough. The light horse is perhaps a good option for a special unit.

Newcastle can be in the city list. It just has to have a different tag. Using this should function correctly. The same goes for any other cities in Australia that mirror English cities.

<Text>
<Tag>TXT_KEY_CITY_NAME_AUSSIE_NEWCASTLE</Tag>
<English>Newcastle</English>
</Text>

AUSSIE!

Love the work so far. Two issues with the city list tho:
1. Put Canberra first. There's a reason Sydney and Melbourne never got the capital :P At least make it second on the list, or else there's no point in having it on there at all (it's just a really big office complex, if you ask me :D)
2. Where's Woop-Woop? That famous town's gotta be on the list somewhere :P

Anyway, here's my contribution to the cause:

My ideas on possible leaders:

Governor MacQuarie*:
Traits:
Aggressive: He brought in a new regiment who were better disciplined than the "Rum" corps. The free promotion would represent the better training troops had under him than before.
Expansive: He also brought across some of the first merino sheep; sheep in cIV bring in health, so... expansive it is. :eek: MacQuarie becomes a warmonger!
Favourite Civic:
Mercantilism: British influence here. Makes sense as such. Most trade going through Australia was for a very long time going straight to Britain.

PM John Curtin:
Traits:
Organised: He managed to get Australia through WW2. 'Nuff said!
Philosophical: Seems kind of in keeping with his personality. I've read that he was a pacifist at heart and a "bleeding-heart lefty" of the socialist kind; halved production costs on Universities just fit in here.
Favourite Civic: Not quite sure here, so I leave two options for others to judge on:
1. Nationhood: As a wartime leader, and the first Australian PM to introduce overseas conscription, it makes sense for Curtin to get the draft. On the other hand...
2. Pacifism: His personal biography makes it clear that Curtin was a pacifist at heart. The war did kill him, after all, and the Labor party has frequently been anti-war. Also, gameplay-wise, the +200% Great person rate is just too much to resist :D

PM Gough Whitlam:
Traits:
Creative: Whitlam definitely had imagination, I'll grant that. This trait also covers the general culture boom that took place in the 70s, IMHO.
Philosophical: While I think this combo is pretty broken, none of the other traits seem to fit. Aggressive, Financial and Organised (HAH!) really don't fit Whitlam, Spiritual getting rid of anarchy is another HAH!, and Expansive and Industrious just seem like non-sequiturs. The best excuse I can give is that the Whitlam govt. was big into universities :P
Favourite Civic:
Free Religion: This isn't so much about religion as about multiculturalism. Free Religion represents here more the diversifying in immigration which took place in the late 60s through mid-70s, much of which was done by Whitlam Labor. This also picks up on the Australian religious apathy. :D

PM Robert Menzies AKA "Pig Iron Bob" AKA "Ming the Merciless": :D
Traits:
Financial: See Below.
Organised: I figure this combo because it's the most flattering one I can give to a PM I'm not particularly fond of :P That aside, I think this also sums him and the early Liberal party up very well. Very pro-business, it makes sense for Menzies to get a substantial fiscal bonus in his starting traits. The 50s and 60s were, after all, the "Golden Years".
Favourite Civic:
Universal Suffrage: While technically Australian Aborigines didn't get the vote until the year after Menzies' retirement, the production bonuses this Civic gets fit very well into the Menzies persona. (Looking back he becomes a Washington clone but meh, what're you gonna do? :P)

And now for the Unique units: (Although less thorough because I don't quite understand units yet :P)

Anzac Infantry ('cuz it was always my first thought :P)
Strength: 20
Special Abilities: Guerilla 2 or Amphibious, maybe Amphibious + Guerilla 1
Replaces Infantry

Light Horse: (Not very knowledgeable here :( )
Strength: 15
Special Abilities: No defensive bonus, 50% Withdraw Chance, +50% attacking vs. cannon, 2 first stike chances :confused:
Replaces Cavalry... Or something like the Immortals, as Arkazius said

Australian SAS:
Strength: 24
Special Abilities: Starts with Mobility, Commando, +50% vs. Machine Gun, +50% vs. Artillery, 1-2 first strikes

Aborigine Tracker: (Tho when I used to play Australia as the Mayans in Civ3 I'd always rename the Javelin Throwers as "Koori Hunters"... Just 'cuz it sounded cool and was vaguely correct!)
Strength: 2
Movement: 2
Special Abilities: Better results from tribal villages, +100% vs. animals, CAN attack.
Replaces Scout (maybe warrior as well?)

Great People who could work for Australia: (Tho' I was under the impression that they weren't Civ-specific... Yay!)
- John Batman, Great Merchant (Helped settle Melbourne)
- Quong Tart, Great Merchant (Tea salesman and famous chinaman... don't ask!) (Half-joking)
- Peter Lalor, Great Artist (Odd choice of specialist, I know, but the Ballarat Reform League was more of a cultural thing than anything else, so the culture boost makes a lot of sense. Just look how many Eureka flags are running around today.)
- Howard Florey, Great Scientist (Major contributor to discovery of Penicillin, whatever Bell may claim :P)
- Grollo :P, Great Engineer (Only half-joking; their work has been not insignificant)

No clues for prophets, though... We aren't the most religious of peoples out there, after all. Maybe a great Entertainer might fit the bill instead... Barry Humphries/Dame Edna founding the Church of the Nativity, anyone? :P

Well, that's the ideas list for tonight. Keep up the good work lads! I'm glad to see someone has taken interest in an Aussie Civ.

EDIT *I'm sure I've spelled the name wrong -_-

Jebus, what was I thinking? MacQuarie needs either organised or industrious as his second trait, rather than expansive... Need more sleep and less forum-trawling. Ugh. :sad:

The Only PM that really stands out to me is Menzies.
I would say though, that the greatest Leader we ever had was a guy names Peter Lalor. For a flag you could use the Eureka stockade flag and the UU I would use the Light Horseman as a replacement for Cavalry maybe.
Here's some attachments in case someone wants to follow up with it.

I think this mod is a good idea. Australia is a reasonably big player in current world events, and we have a ton of bartering power. We also have one of the finest (if smallest) militaries on Earth. Also, Australians have done a lot for the world - Howard Florey (for the most part) discovered penicillin, some other Aussie invented the Inertia Belt (which is the thing that makes up seatbelts, +1 health for that!), and as I've been informed by VB commercials, it was also an Australian that invented the modern Refridgerator.
oh the many things we have learnt from beer ads here down under!:goodjob:

then we have that aussie guy that just got a nobel prize by swallowing bacteria to prove that they cuase stomach ulchers.... cant think of the name... its too late at nite/morning
we also invented the hills hoist.
and australia is one of the worlds leaders in biotech. (or sumthin along those lines)

actually, australias invented a whole lotta things... just cant recall... there was this website that listed it all....

edit combined havester, permaculture,catamarans, the ute, blackbox flight recorder, cement trucks, the notepad, the latex glove, electric drill, xerox copying, bionic ear, X-ray crystallography just to name a few... (http://www.whitehat.com.au/Australia/Inventions/InventionsA.html)

australia definately deserves mention.

Two issues with the city list tho:
1. Put Canberra first. There's a reason Sydney and Melbourne never got the capital <snip>

shouldn't the cities be listed in order of establishment? or population. although i guess canberra is the capital....

actually, fuzzydooms ideas are quite good.

as for prophets, what about those idiots who don't understand christianity that started hillsong (*sudders at the thought of hillsong*). thats as close as australias come to doing anything the least bit religiously prominent (and thats pretty sad).

what about some aboriginal spirits from the dreaming? that would fit the bill right?

I'm just giving the final details to some LHs mine (Rome, Israel, Canada...) and the next one will be the Australian one ;) :D
Previews this week!

I think i know why there isnt an Australian civ yet. No Aussie can be bothered to make it. Fortunately someone can be bothered, and knows how.
:goodjob: CivArmy s. 1994

for flag decals, i say:
1) southern cross (white on blue field)
2) eureka stockade flag (pretty much southern cross with an actual cross)
3) boxing kangaroo!! (green field, gold kangaroo, ?red boxing gloves?)

any other suggestions/opinions?

Prophet ... what about Fred Nile, he and his misguided flock pray every year for rain to fall on Mardi Gras ... it never does and has actually stopped raining for the parade :lol:

Norman Gunston ... would also be a good prophet :p ... He also has a connection to The Dismissal

Finally what about some of our environmentalists ... Bob Brown, Peter Garrett, etc

Dude if you have an aussie civ, don't go ANZAC, they are technically british controlled australian infantry, same with the Light Cavalry. If you want an independent Australian Civ has the Australian SAS, the most elite troops in the world, and make them to replace marines though technically they are airborne troops (Special Air Services). Shame there isnt Paratroopers in this game. I'd give them, Commando, Accuracy, Shock and Flanking Abilities to make it accurate, but have them incredibly expensive to show they take almost half a decade to train. As for leaders i'd have the leaders for Australia someone significant that has led us. Not famous people. If you want famous people in the civ have them as great people. Menzies is a good choice, but i'd also have Whitlam. He made history.

ladies and getlement, PM Edmund Barton of Australia

http://img270.imageshack.us/img270/3973/australia410x5121ok.png

Very , very nice!

Australia is a reasonably big player in current world events, and we have a ton of bartering power.

Even the Crocodile Hunter isn't daft enough to make a claim like this.

"Australia has an enviable Western-style capitalist economy, with a per capita GDP on par with the four dominant West European economies."

Nice way of not actually describing the true economic power of your nation. To put it in perspective, the GDP of all of Australia is just over $611 billion dollars; the comparative GDP of Japan is $3.75 TRILLION dollars, or more than six times that of Australia. China has a GDP twelve times that of Australia. Taiwan, a tiny little island, has a GDP only slightly less than the entire continent of Australia. The state of California, one of fifty in my country, produces almost as much as two Autralias put together.

Hell, Indonesia has a more powerful economy than Australia does.

If it weren't for Steve Irwin and Crocodile Dundee hardly anyone would know Australia exists, except for the Australians. Big player on the world stage? Hardly. A "ton of bartering power"? Only if you compare yourself to Third World backwaters like Malaysia, or Burma.

Max

typical yank impression of australia :confused:

@ Maxpublic ... please refrain from spamming this and other threads :nono:

Your comments added nothing to the discussion ... and only showed your ignorance

Nice way of not actually describing the true economic power of your nation. To put it in perspective, the GDP of all of Australia is just over $611 billion dollars; the comparative GDP of Japan is $3.75 TRILLION dollars, or more than six times that of Australia. China has a GDP twelve times that of Australia. Taiwan, a tiny little island, has a GDP only slightly less than the entire continent of Australia. The state of California, one of fifty in my country, produces almost as much as two Autralias put together.
...etc
....just when i was begining to think that maybe its just g bush, and not the american public......

i think, max, that u forgot that australia only has a tiny population of 20mil. china has 12x our gdp, maybe, but also happens to have around 70x our population!

and really, max, ur post just further prooves americans care for nothing but money. there are many better indicators of how countries stand other than gdp. there is the Human Developement Index, for instance, which Australia sits at 3rd. Even with our meagre economy, we manage to beat all the above mentioned countries in the several indicators that make up HDI. US is at 10th, Japan at 11th, china at 85th,

If it weren't for Steve Irwin and Crocodile Dundee hardly anyone would know Australia exists, except for the Australians. Big player on the world stage? Hardly. A "ton of bartering power"? Only if you compare yourself to Third World backwaters like Malaysia, or Burma.
:D whao... american ignorance summed up nicely there!!:lol: they can't even spot australia on a map without celebs to guide them (but who can blame them, australia all small, and tucked away there, in the middle of two big oceans. islands are so hard to find on maps these days!)


anyway, back on topic. leaderhead looking good civarmy!!:goodjob:
are you goin to do menzies as an alt leader? have you decided on a UU yet?

edit: i just remebered, u mention combining all your civs into one mod? when is that goin to be release? will aus be in it?

@Hidden Evil: Thanks for enjoying the LH :D I didn't choice the UU yet and the second leader, but it probably will be Light Cavalry and PM Menzies, not sure. I expect release this week (or maybe today) the Next Level Mod with all my LH, in this first version Australia will be out since the civ isn't ready yet, but in the next one it'd be in :cool:

About this off-topic debate I think Australia is an important country and many local and foreign players would like to add Australia to them game :goodjob: And I wanna see what Australian team can to do on Germany Soccer World Cup since we r in the same group :cool:

@ Maxpublic ... please refrain from spamming this and other threads :nono:

Yet another boy who thinks that all opinions not in agreement with his own are irrelevent.

Your comments added nothing to the discussion ... and only showed your ignorance

While it's quite possible they added nothing to the discussion, anyone with access to google can confirm the data I provided as true. The only ignorance here, so far, is your own.

As for the rest, it's clear that national fervor doesn't mix with little things like actual facts.

Max

Then stay out of this thread. In this context, your comments are trolling. Warned.

@Others - please report it rather than respond to it.

@Others - please report it rather than respond to it.

gotcha.:crazyeye:


Hidden Evil: Thanks for enjoying the LH I didn't choice the UU yet and the second leader, but it probably will be Light Cavalry and PM Menzies, not sure. I expect release this week (or maybe today) the Next Level Mod with all my LH, in this first version Australia will be out since the civ isn't ready yet, but in the next one it'd be in


yeah!!!!!! KOOL!!!!!!!! light cav and menzies are definately the most popular choices.:goodjob:

*eargerly awaiting next gen mod*:dance:


And I wanna see what Australian team can to do on Germany Soccer World Cup since we r in the same group

not much probably... but then i dont give too much credit to our soccer team. ;)

It seems like what Australia is really unique for among developed nations is its relatively large wilderness area. You might consider a lower tech survivalist type unit for the UU, like a buffed scout, which the civ can start out with as their free unit. Maybe 2 strength instead of 1. It wouldn't replace the warrior since it can only defend, but it would survive as well as a warrior while moving faster when used to explore, meaning a lot more of the map could be sketched out in the early game without the scout being butchered by barbarians or the slowness of a warrior.

Its not as glamourous as a high tech unit, but honestly the game is very often won or lost before you get to that point. By the time you get to infantry, a bonus promotion on the infantry is probably not going to win the game. A buffed cavalry unit can make a difference since it can be researched early depending on your tech choices, but Russia already has that.

Ohh, are we going to have to have a civ-off?
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=146845

:p

Are you still going to include Edmund Barton? He was pretty ordinary as a politician, and actually created the infamous "White Australia Policy".

I'm amazed no-one has mentioned John Curtin (http://john.curtin.edu.au/resources/biography/details.html), our first leader to stand for Australias interests over those of the British, and the first to independantly declare war on a nation (Japan; after Pearl Harbor).

*bows* excellent choice.. and yes, a gross oversight

Well in regards to the post by Max.. yes, we are a small nation, in terms of GNP.

He was very direct in his post, but honest!

However, we are technologically advanced to some extent, as in if we were, say 100th in GNP worldwide (no great feat).. we'd be in the top 30 tech wise..

We've made good advancements in bio-technology and heart disease/cancer research...

But yes, apart from that.. we all live in Australia, and live unbelievably well, considering our small economy. And we have very, very powerful friends. Us Aussies are good friends with America, Britain AND China. Guess that explains our good lifestyle... ahem.

How is you Aussie Civ progressing CivArmy s. 1994 ?

Do you have an ETA ? I'm looking forward to see what you've got for us. :D