I am working on creating a new Great Person category, called Generals. I need 40 names of great generals from history, and any suggestions would be fantastic and strongly considered in the creation process.
Thanks in Advance

I am working on creating a new Great Person category, called Generals. I need 40 names of great generals from history, and any suggestions would be fantastic and strongly considered in the creation process.
Thanks in Advance

Why not use the standard ones from Civ3?

I will take that into consideration. Now, I could use any suggestions having to do with the unit in General. Anything that a great general should provide, do, bonuses and that.

I will take that into consideration. Now, I could use any suggestions having to do with the unit in General. Anything that a great general should provide, do, bonuses and that.

Alot of people have considered the idea - if you do a search there might be a few ideas there.

Having pondered the same question myself, here are a few my ideas:

The boring ones:
*Discover military tech
*Build a training acadamy in a city (+x experience for all units built in that city)
*Golden aga

The more intesting ones:
*"Passive" unit improvments - if the Great General is on the same square as a unit, the unit gets a strength bonus of, say, 25%
*Create "Elite" unit - basically he goes into a city, and the next unit built from that city comes out with, lets say, +20 experience

Nice redroger!! nice!

The modders are really saving Civ¤'s ass :))

For the second world war you could use this site:
http://www.generals.dk/
there are a lot of names...
But let me make a ffew suggestions...

GeneralFeldmarschal von Motlke (prussian general and on of the first wich planned troop deliveration to the front with trains)

GeneralFeldmarschal Rommel (The Desert Fox)

General von Clausewitz (wrote one of the 'german' standard military books 'Vom Kriege' - you could say a german version of Sung Tzu's work ..)

If you want a german General who critiziesed the 3-Reich you should take GeneralOberst Johannes Blaskowitz (he was first in command of the 8. Army in Poland. He wrote several reports to 'Hitler' stating that he was against the actions the SS and other groups were starting after they were victorious above Poland. He was then transfered to France. Only a short time before the Nurnberg Process he took his life, but there were roumors about a fake suicid and that he was killed instead of commiting suicide...)

Pierre du Terrail, Chevalier de Bayard (just looking around a bit in wikipedia ;) , franz. knight wich defended a bridge against 200 Horsemen... so wikipedia says *G*)

Generalfeldmarschal von Blücher (prussian, commandant of the prussians at waterloo...)

Wellington (engl. sorry i don't know how the title is... Waterloo...)

and so on and so on ....

Just search under wikipedia... *G* ... there a lot of people...

-- For the boni--
Hmm about the building thing, what about a building that gives every newly build unit in a city a certain promotion like the red cross ? Maybe a new promotion...

The question is should it be a General or someone who increased the strategic knowledge ... Someone who wrote such a work like 'Vom Kriege' would increase the strength of all units while a 'Desert Fox' only could increase the strength of the unit he was applied too, and only a little affect on the rest of the military...

hi

this has been discussed before in a couple of other threads. I started working on a great general and managed to add a new great general unit into the game (without the animations though). He could start a golden age and join the city.

I planned on changing some wonders to add GP points for the general like west point and others. I also planned to make him build a military academy to give extra xp or something. that should be relatively easy to mod in i reckon. Just mess around with the xml files.

What i tried to do but failed, was to edit the xml so when the great general joined the city it would add free xp's to all units built in that city.

well anyway if you need/want any help adding this new unit i could help cos i have already done it. although not made it fully functional yet. but it should be relatively easy to mod in tho.

RedRoger

I would LOVE to see a great general in civ4 (in fact I'd do it myself if I knew how), but remember you need to make generals as much like the other great people as possible.

So that means like The Great Apple said it has to do the following things:

*discover tech
*start a golden age
*merge with city

Then it gets the great general's special ability, I think it sould be one of the following four things:

*My favorite option is for the great general to have the ability to raise an army. You have the general in a city, like the raise army button, then the general disappears, and you receive ten of your strongest units in his place. I really like this option because a great general could turn the tide of battle.

* My second favorite option is for the general to turn into a very weak unit (maybe like strengeth 1), who has special promotions that affects all of the land units stacked with him. I would suggest a speed promotion, a healing promotion (and since healing promotions don't stack it needs to have more power than medic 2), and a combat strength bonus. So no matter if your general leads warriors with no promotions, or modern armor with combat 5 promotions those units would have an edge with the leader in the stack. I really like this option, but I fear that the AI couldn't properly handle it, and so that's why it's my second favorite option.

*My third favorite option is for the general to permanently give every single military unit your civ currently has between 2-5 experience points. While not as instantly overwhelming as having a new army or as tactically interesting as having a general lead your troops, it still seems like lots of fun.

*My last option is to build a military academy, but instead of giving more experience like a barracks or the pentagon, it would create a new unit every x number of turns like the knights templar wonder from civ3. I think that pentagon/barrack like academies are redundant and great generals should provide something else.

Also when a great general merges with a city as a super specialist I think they should provide +1 experience point for new units built in that city per great general super specialist, and possibly either a small production or science increase. Also great generals would need normal specialists (soldier specialists perhaps). Obviously barracks, the pentagon, west point, etc. would open up spaces for these specialists. I'm not sure if it's possible or not, but I would like for them to produce 1 hammer if working on a building or non military units, but 4 hammers when the city started producing military units. Possibly even the same thing could apply to great general super specialists along with the +1 experience bonus.

That is exactly how I envision great generals, but what I wonder is how much of this is actually possible to implement?

Robert E. Lee (Confederate General during American Civil War)
General Curry (Canadian General who lead canadians and brits to the first major victory in WWI)
General Zhukov (Soviet General who took Berlin During WW2)

Thanks again for the input, so soon. That is a good question about the knowledge, and I am not sure that would work. A Great Person is not an individual unit, it is simply a class of unit with pre-specified unique names in the XML. It would be a tremendous amount of effort and strain to alter 40 or so additional units into the game. For example, Sun Tzu's Art of War is a book of general strategic implications. That could be done, as a kind of overall bonus to troops of your Civ. But to have one general increase this, and another increase that, would mean coding 40, very specific units, that are created under certain circumstances. I just don't have that much spare time.

A building seems to alleviate some of that, A general could bulid, say, West Point, which increases experience for units produced in that city. However that is easily abused, If I have 5 Generals build that building, units from that city will start with 10-15 xp on top of the other city bonuses.

I think the best Idea so far is for the general to benefit the troops he is stacked with. Alhough I think I would change it to benefit all units the General is stacked with plus the troops in neighboring squares. A general's reach is more than a few soldiers. And the bonus should not be restricted to just additional strength, maybe a tactical bonus of some kind.

Another question is, should I make Generals capable of leading their "army" over impassable terrain? Hannibal led an army of war elephants over the Alps, so it would not be a stretch.

As far as creating an elite unit, that would make the General far less powerful than the other Great People. One Elite unit is not worth the effort of making a General, although is something to consider for the facility the General can build, say an academy that forces every 5th or whatever unit created to be more paowerful, a Special Ops version of the unit. A more utility unit, someone who can be amphibous and pass over mountains and remains invisible until it attacks. Hmm.... all good thinking points.

As far as your comment BadMojo, i don't feel I am saving Civ 4. It is already a great game, I do feel however that some things are missing.

A few for the list:

Ulysses S. Grant
William T. Sherman
"Stonewall" Jackson
George Patton
Omar Bradley
Douglas MacArthur
Albert Kesselring
Hasso Von Manteuffel
Heinz Guderian
Hannibal
Cao Cao
Oda Nobunaga
Admiral Nelson
John Paul Jones

Because of the names, don't forget to avoid names of Generals etc. wich actually were also presidents and so on...
So that if someone adds a few more nations/great peoples ;)

Hmm ... about this building up a new army with a general. How would it be to give them a special name?
E.g. for a Cavalary Units XXXX's Dragoners in the name and a bit thougher ?
And because 1 unit isn't that hard maybe if the unit get destroyed it simply appears again in the major-city ? (maybe after 1-2 turns ?) Until you upgrade this unit ?
So this unit would be hard in game phase were you not getting every 5 turns a better military unit but less hard in phases were you get every 5 turns a new unit and again hard to the end (I think this would also show that old strategis etc. won't least forever... ).

I don't know if I will be able to edit skins, at all.:( And adding a Soldier specialist is not a problem, in fact it is needed to benefit the Generals production.

Just wondering if you've been able to make any progress, plus i don't want this thread to sink too far down.

Ulysses S. Grant
William T. Sherman
"Stonewall" Jackson
George Patton
Omar Bradley
Douglas MacArthur
Albert Kesselring
Hasso Von Manteuffel
Heinz Guderian
Hannibal
Cao Cao
Oda Nobunaga
Admiral Nelson
John Paul Jones
Additions:
George Washington
Israel Putnam
William Howe
Thomas Gage
Casimir Pulaski
Fedor von Bock
Erich von Manstein
Erwin Rommel
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Konstantin Rossokovsky
Ivan Konev
Kliment Voroshilov (Maybe, but he was pretty inept)
Pietro Badoglio
Rodolfo Graziani
Bernard Montgomery
William Slim
Henry Crerar
Chiang Kaishek (Somewhat debatable because he wasn't necessarily great, but did unify China, and eventually lost China to the Communists after losing steam in Manchuria)
Helmuth von Moltke (Again debatable, he was the one who weakened the right wing under the Schlieffen Plan, which is believed to have caused the failure of the plan)
And of course, Alfred Graf von Schlieffen

And some older ones:
Oliver Cromwell
Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus
Gaius Marius
Gaius Julius Caesar
Caesar Augustus (Octavian)
Marc Antony
Publius Varus (The guy who lost at Teutoberg)

I'm not an expert on Asian or African generals, so I can't really name any. Also, it depends on how many generals from World War II you want, but there are tons of notable ones.

Helmuth von Moltke (Again debatable, he was the one who weakened the right wing under the Schlieffen Plan, which is believed to have caused the failure of the plan)

well then, take his uncle. (i think his name was the same). he was much better than the one who commanded during WWI

I am making slow, steady progress. It is much more diffucult then i imagined. Changing one thing means changing this and that, and most of the stuff in between. The hardest part is getting the game to load the new Great Person and Specialists. But time should clear these peoblems and others up.

suggestion:

don't use george washington, augustus caesar, hannibal, oliver cromwell, or anyone else that might be included in a mod or in an expansion. in the case of washington, that would really create problems because everybody has him.

i recommend you just omit these generals. you'll have plenty as it is.

A general can add a subsection to the tech tree and add to a tech with a defense, health bonus to related units or residing in a city for a permanent bonus to the production of sea, land, air units, culture, happiness, or hammer producing buildings.
Generals did more than just lead, they improve on what they have.

suggestion:

don't use george washington, augustus caesar, hannibal, oliver cromwell, or anyone else that might be included in a mod or in an expansion. in the case of washington, that would really create problems because everybody has him.

i recommend you just omit these generals. you'll have plenty as it is.
Mmm... so what? They were real generals that were quite influential during their times. You can't change history, and so what if one leader is the same as a great person? It shouldn't be that confusing.

well then, take his uncle. (i think his name was the same). he was much better than the one who commanded during WWI
Yeah I didn't mention him because he was up above and had the same name. The younger one is generally referred to as the Lesser because of his failings and hesitancy during World War I compared to his uncle, and obviously his younger age.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=145525

I was just about to link to Snaitf's Mod lol. Also, I've a small suggestion there that might be usefull to you RedRoger.

As far as names go; one great one comes to mind and I would have to add him myself if he were absent.
LT Gen Chesty Puller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chesty_Puller). The Marine Corps most decorated soldier.

"Good night Chesty.. wherever you are!" ~ USMC

Has anyone looked at Bhruic's RealFort mod and seen if something similar can be applied to a Great General? He's added new promotions that are only available to the unit while sitting on the same tile as the fort. If you could tweak that so the general does something similar, we might have what RedRoger is looking for here in the way of a stack-based promotion.

Here's the RealFort thread: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=140957

a few ancient Generals names

Themistokles
Epameinondas
Phormion
Iphikrates
Seleucos the Great
Pyrrhus of Epirus
Dionysios of Syracusae
Miltiades
Mago of Carthago
Hamilcar of Carthago
Publius Cornelius Scipio (Africanus)

and a few from Byzantium

Belisarius
Heraclius
Nicephorus Phokas
Basil II BulgarSlayer

Mexican Generals:
Ignacio Zaragosa (Kicked French ass in Cinco de Mayo!, this is a must)
Pancho Villa (Infamous Northern Mexican General of the Revolution)
Emiliano Zapata(Southern General of Rev.)
Vicente Guerrero (Insurgent Independence General)
Jose Morelos (Insurgent Independence General)

Gustavus Adolphus - Sweden (my favorite general), fought in 7 years' war
Raimondo Montecuccoli - France
Jomini - Switzerland, 19th century military theorist
Alexander Suvorov - Russia
Michael Kutuzov - Russia, defeated Napoleon
Thomas-Robert Bugeaud - France, colonial general
Yamamoto - Japanese Pacific Admiral
Mehmet II - Ottoman conqueror of Constantinople
Timur Lenk - Tartar mastermind
Narses - Byzantine general and exarch of Ravenna
Pompey - Rome
Leonidas - Sparta
Pericles - Athens
Janos Hunyadi - Hungarian, defeated Mehmet II at Belgrade




that's all i can think of right now, others i know have been listed

I am expermineting with making the General unit a strong (10) combat unit.

It has 100% withdrawal chance so that it never dies when attacking. It also has great bonuses against mounted (50%), gun (150%) and armored (200%) units so that it does not become obsolete by age.

This unit would be good for attacking cities, but you will always need backup forces, since the the enemy will try to attack it.

It has March, Medic I, Medic II and Sentry.

Some names to consider for Great Generals (some of these may have been mentioned already):

Xenophon - He led the Ten Thousand Greeks from central Mesopotamia to the Black Sea.

Belisarius - Nearly reconquered the Western Roman Empire for the Byzantine Emperor Justinian. From Empress Theodora's point of view, too competent to be allowed to live.

Sun Tzu - Need I say more?

Arjuna - Warrior-hero and general of the Hindu epic, Mahabharata

Charles "the Hammer" Martel - Beat the Arabs at Tours by convincing 15,000-75,000 mostly unarmored footmen to stand their ground against 60,000-400,000 heavily armored horsemen.

The Black Prince of Wales

Odo Nobunaga - Laid the foundations for Tokugawa Ieyasu's successes

Don Juan de Austria - Victor against the Turks at Lepanto

Count Tilly - one of the better 30 Years' War Generals

Gen. Wallenstein - a 30 Years's War general whose success made his employer nervous.

Gen. Pappenheim - one of the best cavalry commanders in the 30 Years' War

Vicomte Turenne - French 30 Years' War General

Duc d'Enghien - French 30 Years' War General

Maurice of Nassau - Led the Dutch revolt against the Spanish

Prince Eugene of Savoy - fought the Turks and the French for the Austrians. A WWI British ship and a WWII German ship were named after him.

Marshal Saxe - A brilliant student of Prince Eugene's

The Duke of Marlborough - most famous for the Battle of Blenheim

Prince Michael Barclay de Tolly - Commanded Russian troops against Napoleon

The Duke of Wellington - Best known for the Peninsular War and Waterloo

Maj. Gen. Nathanael Greene - Commanded American forces in Georgia and the Carolinas during the Revolutionary War

Gen. Ulysses S. Grant - Great General, Bad President

Gen. William T. Sherman - Great General, smart enough to refuse to be a presidential candidate.

Gen. Phil Sheridan - Did to the Shenandoah Valley what Sherman did to Georgia

Maj. Gen. George Thomas - The Rock of Chickamauga

Gen. Robert E. Lee - succeeded in making bricks without straw for four years.

Lt. Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson & James Longstreet - Lee's best subordinates.

Lt. Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest - went from Private to General; considered by some to be the best cavalry commander in history.

Adm. David Farragut - Commander-in-chief of U.S. Navy during Civil War. Most famous for Mobile Bay and New Orleans

Adm. David Dixon Porter - Commanded the Mississippi Squadron which supported Grant's campaign against Vicksburg.

Gen. Sir Garnet Wolseley - Modernized the British Army

Adm. Sir John "Jackie" Fisher - Did the same for the Royal Navy

Gen. John "Black Jack" Pershing - Commanded the AEF in WWI; chased Pancho Villa in Mexico.

Marshal Ferdinand Foch - Allied Commander, WWI

Mustafa Kemal - Defeated the Allied landings at Gallipoli, WWI

Gen. Dwight Eisenhower - Supreme Allied Commander in Europe WWII

Gen. George S. Patton

Gen. Omar Bradley

Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery

Adm. Chester Nimitz

Lt. Gen. "Chesty" Puller

Feldmarschall Erwin Rommel

And finally, some names who emphatically *should not* be included on any list of Great Generals:

Sir Douglas Haig (WWI)
Marshal Francois Achille Bazaine (Franco-Prussian War)
Maj. Gen. Benjamin F. Butler (American Civil War, Union)
Maj. Gen. George B. McClellan (American Civil War, Union)
Gen. Braxton Bragg (American Civil War, Confederacy)
Lt. Gen. Leonidas K. Polk, "The Fighting Bishop" (American Civil War, Confederacy)
Maj. Gen. William Elphinstone (First Anglo-Afghan War)
Adm. Husband Kimmel (WWII, American)
Publius Quinctilius Varus (Roman, Battle of Teutobergerwald)
The Duke of Alba (The Eighty Years' War, Spanish)
The Duke of Medina-Sidonia (The Spanish Armada)

i modded snaitf's mod to make GG build a military academy in a city. all units built in that city get the 'elite' promotion free (+15% combat)

being an arab I'll give u some names of arab generals

Tarek Ibn zeyad ---> conquered Iberia (and gibraltar named after him)Khaled Ibn al-waleed ----> defeated the romans in the holy lands(Israel or palestine) ,syria,jordan and lebanon

Hari Singh Nalwa, 19th Century Sikh General. "Sardar Hari Singh is regarded as one of the greatest of Sikh generals. European newspapers wrote articles comparing him to the great European Generals such as Napoleon, Field-Marshal von Hindenburg, the Duke of Wellington and Genghis Khan. The British concluded that Sardar Hari Singh Nalwa was the greatest of them all. With a limited force of men and materials, he freed not only Kashmir and Multan, but also Peshawar state and made them part of the empire of Maharaja Ranjeet Singh. Peshawar had been under Afghan control for more than eight centuries after Afghans murdered Raja Jaipal in a battle fought in 998 A.D. " Had he failed in this, the NW region of India (now pakistan, partition is wrong) would have remained with Afghanistan, which in turn would have not meant the British would have it, which would be weird to even imagine!

Such a great general his very name struck fear in the enemies. Afghani mothers would use his name to scare and quieten their children. And still do this today. :)