The file is: http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/Turks1.zip

Civilization: Turks
Noun: Turks
Adjective: Turkish
Colors: Red
Starts with: Hunting and Mining
UU: Janissary (Rifleman, 1+ power)


http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1039/turks011zt.jpg


Title and leader 1: Sultan Selim I
Leader 1 bonuses: Aggressive and Expansive
Leader 1 favourite civic: State Property

Title and leader 2: President Ataturk
Leader 2 bonuses: Creative and Organized
Leader 2 favourite civic: Free Religion


Cities:
Istanbul
Edrine
Bursa
Iznik
Izmit
TO BE CONTINUED...


http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/7898/turks020ai.jpg


http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6342/turks031jo.jpg


http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/7425/turks040sm.jpg

your probably sick of me telling you how good your civs are :D

great stuff, but Uskudar is the name of an area in Istanbul, not a city.

I would go for:

Istanbul
Edirne
Bursa
Izmir
Antep
Maras
Ankara
Erzurum
Van
Trabzon


just a few from the top of my head

your probably sick of me telling you how good your civs are :D


thanks enjoying all these new civis friend!!! :thanx:

great stuff, but Uskudar is the name of an area in Istanbul, not a city.

I would go for:

Istanbul
Edirne
Bursa
Izmir
Antep
Maras
Ankara
Erzurum
Van
Trabzon


just a few from the top of my head


This is the list that I'm currently using:

Istanbul
Edrine
Bursa
Iznik
Uskudar
Izmit
Aydin
Antalya
Konya
Sinop
Kafa
Ankara
Salonika
Mugla
Denizli
Bolu
Urfa
Bingol
Riza
Zonguldak
Kirklareli
Karabuk
Cankiri
Iskenderun
Tunceli
Sivas
Yozgat
Tokat
Van

If u have more suggestions of changes, please, tell me :) I can add the changed city list in the next version of this same civ, I mean, when I've added the second leaderhead ;) Just a rule: the limit of city that I use is 50 names :)

just get rid of uskudar ;)

just get rid of uskudar ;)

okay!


here comes the first view of President Ataturk, I expect some feedback for changes ;)

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Very good work, keep it up!

amazing, animated or not?:-P

Hagia Sohpia in the background looks great! Although for Ataturk I was expecting something more like this:

http://www.gulsehri.com/images/ata4.jpg


just a qn though, why did you choose Selim as the 1st leader? I would have gone for Mehmed II or Suleyman, just a general wondering rly.

amazing, animated or not?:-P

Hagia Sohpia in the background looks great! Although for Ataturk I was expecting something more like this:

http://www.gulsehri.com/images/ata4.jpg


just a qn though, why did you choose Selim as the 1st leader? I would have gone for Mehmed II or Suleyman, just a general wondering rly.


my LHs continue static untill now :(
This background was done by a designer from Spain, it is really ameasing! I'm sure he is professional :goodjob:
I choose Selim I, cos this LH is part of "Project Advanced Mod", a mod under constuction and the team choose this leader.

About the background: It's amazing job, but that would look way better behind your Selim I LH. Ataturk stands for quite the opposite of what mosques represent. His revolutions wiped out the religion and all religious institutions from the new republic. It's like having Hitler pose in front of the Star of David.

Tunch that isn't true, he may have secularised society, but he did not destroy religious institutions. The Hagia Sohphia is a good background for Ataturk as he used it to symbolise his reforms, he had the mosque converted into a museum and the former byzantine mosaics restored.

When I think about Ataturk, I think about a Turk with an Iron Cross, Brown Uniform and more, like seen on this image:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/ee/MustafaKemal1.jpg/200px-MustafaKemal1.jpg

second preview of this same LH in minutes or few hours ;)

Just an opinion, but I think the Jannisaries should either be swordsmen or longbowmen. Yeah... they were the first to use rifles but only at the very very end of their time and not very succesful. A gunpowder unit should be a siphai since they were the "Modern Army" of the Ottomans.

I'd prefer to see a Janissary unit as an archer, with long flowing white dress, although the riflemen in blue and red are more well known.

No problem change the type of the UU :D When I add the second leader, I can change it ;) The same for all other stuff (civilopedia entry, city list...)

The second view of Ataturk. What should I change now?

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Allright... here's what I'm thinking. First of all, the mustache doesn't make a twist and go down. Secondly, there is something wrong in the eyes. I can't be sure without trying different combinations but I think the height of the eyes nees to be smaller. To me, the cheek bones look like they are in the right position but the cheeks itself needs to be a little more round.

This is just an opinion but I think I liked him better in a suit.. kind of shows what he stands for.

For the cities... I believe you can use Uskudar as a city and even Kadikoy if you wanted. A city is defined as the number of people living in it and they both fit that category. All I can say is that Uskudar and Kadikoy are in the Istanbul Province but Istanbul, Kadikoy, Uskudar can all be considered city's.

Tunch that isn't true, he may have secularised society, but he did not destroy religious institutions. The Hagia Sohphia is a good background for Ataturk as he used it to symbolise his reforms, he had the mosque converted into a museum and the former byzantine mosaics restored. Well of course i didn't mean he destroyed the buildings physically. :) But he banned all of the religious institutions, the Medrese's, all cults, Quranic schools, Tekke's, all sects and denominations, even the moderate philosophical ones like the Mevlevi sufis couldn't escape from being banned for good. But since the background is so perfectly designed, i suggested it to be used as a background for Sultan Selim I.

The LH looks nice, but change his eye color..not many Turks have blue eyes or did he have blue eyes?.:p

The LH looks nice, but change his eye color..not many Turks have blue eyes or did he have blue eyes?.:pWhat does a Turk look like? I have blue eyes and I was blond when I was a kid (now still blond, sort of).

Ataturk was blond and had blue eyes.

The LH looks nice, but change his eye color..not many Turks have blue eyes or did he have blue eyes?.:p He did have blue eyes. :) And for the record, i have blue eyes myself, and yes i'm turkish too. :)

Turks can look like anything :) the race is a unique mix, Ataturk needs some work but looks great already.

wherebouts are you guys from? im going to istanbul in 2 weeks, then to METU in ankara for next semester, and hopefully back to istanbul in a year and a half for my masters degree :-P i'm british myself but fascinated by turkish history, and my turkish gf :-P which is why i was quite dissapointed when the turks wernt included in the game.

His uniform is actually brown/grey, and on alot of photos, he wears an Iron Cross. (Same one as German soldiers wear)

His uniform is actually brown/grey, and on alot of photos, he wears an Iron Cross. (Same one as German soldiers wear) The Iron Cross is only during the course of WWI.

ur leaders are no whear near the quality of the ones in game..
is ther any way to clean them up and make them look like the other leaders, or due to the programs avalible to most ppl, are thay allways going to have that " cheap and flimys look" to them?

ur leaders are no whear near the quality of the ones in game..
is ther any way to clean them up and make them look like the other leaders, or due to the programs avalible to most ppl, are thay allways going to have that " cheap and flimys look" to them? That's because he's not getting paid thousands of dollars every month to make those graphics, unlike Firaxis staff. He's making them from his own pocket with whatever software and props he can acquire. He's investing his time and skills and most of his LH were great for Civ3 and they are still better than most other modified LH here. I personally don't like how Ataturk is shaping up because of the props, but I do appreciate his efforts and creativity. One thing is for sure, he's one of those few people who are improving the Civs.

ur leaders are no whear near the quality of the ones in game..
is ther any way to clean them up and make them look like the other leaders, or due to the programs avalible to most ppl, are thay allways going to have that " cheap and flimys look" to them?

if u don't like, don't play, I thougt it was pretty simple and it's not big deal.


That's because he's not getting paid thousands of dollars every month to make those graphics, unlike Firaxis staff. He's making them from his own pocket with whatever software and props he can acquire. He's investing his time and skills and most of his LH were great for Civ3 and they are still better than most other modified LH here. I personally don't like how Ataturk is shaping up because of the props, but I do appreciate his efforts and creativity. One thing is for sure, he's one of those few people who are improving the Civs.

well putted :goodjob:


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now back to the topic :D
- what sould I change on this new version? just uniform work? I think it could own some texture work. If I have time this night I can try to do these changes ;) :)

This is the new view:

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I used the tips posted here :D I'm waiting for more about the new background, clothes... ;)
I removed the Mosque background, cos I'll change it the Salim I background ;)

..... I didn't know that when I said make the eyes narrower he would look like he's about to go on a rampage. Heh.. my fault people. Good work but I'm still not feeling it and I'm not sure what to change either.

Making the hat's color black would be a good start. Trimming the edges of the moustache is another good idea.
Here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=128517) is a sample from a previous Ataturk design by Shiro.

I'll came with a new preview in some hours ;)

I admire your efforts in improving this great game.. I can say that (as someone who likes to draw) besides of these you have a good artistic approach in face designs.. I can advice some changes if you want. I agree on trimming the moustache also chin should be trimmed. Eyes can be a little more seperatedand horizontally straight. I think it will also help to avoid that angry look if it is not a mimic. : ) And last I can suggest making eyebrows thicker (denser) as Ataturk's. (he has longer eyebrow hairs)

I did a new one using the new tips, thanks for them friends!

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what do u think people?

is that dolmabahce palace in the background? a very fitting background for him if it is, I had the pleasure of seeing inside it this summer, and as it was the place of his residence and death its very fitting, great work.

He really looks nice. I still insist on making his chin smaller and eyebrows thicker. : ) Just try and select the best result. I think it is getting closer to an end..

ggod work!!!

Hmmm... I'd say good work overall, but he does not really feel like the Ataturk we Turks are used to seeing all the time. You could perhaps make his face rounder and give him a smaller chin and bigger cheek. Also the eye slots should be tighter (top to bottom) and the eyes larger (sideways). Try and get the feel of his photo on the 1st page of this thread (the one posted by Kaiserguard).

new preview in some minutes (or maybe 1 hour) :)

here I go:

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1039/turks011zt.jpg


for more changes in his face, post :)

The new version is available to download on post number 01 :D
Enjoy!

Great job. :D

About UU, personally I would make a janissary replace a musketman, rather than a rifleman. I am reading a book about the period right now and essentially janissaries were contemporary to French musketeers of Louis XIV.

The flags are showing white. I've fiddled with the appropriate XML file, but no joy.

The first use of the Janissary was in the 15th century ... and I highly doubt they had riflemen back then ;)

The first use of the Janissary was in the 15th century ... and I highly doubt they had riflemen back then ;)
It's a bit of a problem with pin-pointing them like this, since Janissaries were distinguished by their method of recruitment and training, not necessarily weapons their used, since they were in use for several centuries - hence you would find Janissaries of both the pre-gunpowder and gunpowder era.

However, I would say the apogee of their use and influence on European battlefields was in the 17th century, in the gunpowder era. In that they were very much like French musketeers, who combined muskets, rapiers (in case of Janissaries, sabres) and horses for movement (but not for fighting).

Re: Janissaries

Perhaps base them off Musketmen and increase their strength to ten and add an ability of some sort? That or make them cheaper?

if the people wish is change Rifleman to Musketman, I can do that in the future ;) :D

The flags are showing white. I've fiddled with the appropriate XML file, but no joy.

Having same trouble... although I don't know enough to fiddle with anything :confused:

This is the list that I'm currently using:

Istanbul
[-cut-]
Van

If u have more suggestions of changes, please, tell me :) I can add the changed city list in the next version of this same civ, I mean, when I've added the second leaderhead ;) Just a rule: the limit of city that I use is 50 names :)
This topic might be old and all but i wanted to comment on this nevertheless...

It would be nice to have the complete official list of cities that are used in area numbering as is usual in turkey.
For a list see here: Turkish Province Codes (http://www.turkishlanguage.co.uk/carplates.htm)

Ofcourse for other info on this country, for better civ settings, you can always look at these pages for example:
Turkey - WikiPedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey)
CIA - The World FactBook - Turkey (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/tu.html)

This topic might be old and all but i wanted to comment on this nevertheless...

It would be nice to have the complete official list of cities that are used in area numbering as is usual in turkey.
For a list see here: Turkish Province Codes (http://www.turkishlanguage.co.uk/carplates.htm)

Ofcourse for other info on this country, for better civ settings, you can always look at these pages for example:
Turkey - WikiPedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey)
CIA - The World FactBook - Turkey (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/tu.html)


My intentaion was produce a civ to represent all the Turkish tribes not only modern Turkey.

My intentaion was produce a civ to represent all the Turkish tribes not only modern Turkey.
Thx so much for what you did... But I wanna say some couple words...
The backgrounds are perfect but Selim I looks like an Arabic leader.Turkish people aren't dark like that.He should have white skin.Also he looks like poor mercant instead of look like a ruler of the empire. Besides Ataturk doesn't look like the real,in here he looks ugly dude :crazyeye: Whatever for information about the Ottoman Rulers visit, http://www.theottomans.org/english/index.asp

Thanks again :)

Here,Ataturk's photos... Maybe you should use them to make change ;) Besides he should wear like a president not like a general cause he is the president of Turkish Republic. For example why don't you put 1920's hat(like in the pictures) instead of hat which is used in battles. :)

The LH looks nice, but change his eye color..not many Turks have blue eyes or did he have blue eyes?.:p I'm blond,I have blue eyes and I'm Turkish too ;)

As Ataturk was born in Greece, it is likely he had blue eyes.

As Ataturk was born in Greece, it is likely he had blue eyes.
Just a reminder: Ataturk was born in Salonika, second largest Turkish city after Istanbul in 1881. Turks have lost her possession in 1912, during the Balkan Wars. Salonika is modern day Thessaloniki in Greece, but that doesn't make him "born in Greece". :)

It's true that a majority of the Turks of Roumelia (term used to describe European Turkey until early 20th Century) have fair skin, light hair and blue eyes, however there are many other Turkoman tribes that have settled in various other locations of the Ottoman Empire with similar characteristics.

With the loss of Turkey's European possessions following the Russo-Turkish War in 1877 and the Balkan Wars (except for Eastern Thrace), millions of refugees have have flocked to Istanbul and elsewhere in the country making it more homogenious. Furthermore, the treaty between Greece and Turkey after the Greco-Turkish War 1919-1922 uprooted all the Turks of Macedonia (including Salonika) and they were exchanged for the Greek population of Anatolia (including Smyrna). Tragic for both peoples alike, yet it was considered necessary at the time to craft the unity of Greece and Turkey in order to make nation states instead of multi cultural empires.

There's plenty of turks with a fair complextion and blonde hair and green/blue eyes. My own father is a blonde haired green eyed turk. Turks are not Arabs.

Can you add UB?