http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3038/2735424400_d61dbcf9cf.jpg?v=0

Note: this was originally made by Anima Croatorum. Thunderfall changed thread owner to make it possible that I can update the previews of the mod here.

This is a cooperational mod of Kabcsi and me (cool3a2).

Leaders:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2152/2458977047_11eeaff355.jpg?v=0
Background images taken by: ThisParticularGreg, Andreas Pöschek and Rodefeld (from left to right); new Saint Stephen (not on the picture) is on the way

Traits:
Árpád:
aggressive/expansive

Szent István:
spiritual/organized

Mátyás Hunyadi aka Matthias Corvinus:
creative/philosophical

Lajos Kossuth:
philosophical / aggressive

István Széchenyi:
industrious/financial


Units:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2213/2459812610_6aa6a7423d.jpg?v=0
(some of the new units)

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/113482/units_modern.jpg

UU: Huszár: Same as regular cavalry but starts with Commando promotion.
http://members.chello.hu/yossarian/huszar_screenshot.jpg

UB: Végvár, replaces castle
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads/c2a_bEO.jpg
(You don't like this graphic? Come and vote! Current votes: graphic1 vs. graphic2 2:1)

- +3 :culture:
- +5% :science:
- +25% :espionage:
- +1 trade route
- 70% defense (except vs. gunpowder-based units)
- -30% damage to defenses from bombardment (except vs. gunpowder-based units)
- +1 :) from wine
- double production speed for protective leaders (there is no hungarian leader with this trait)
- double production speed with stone
- required tech: engineering
- cost: 120 :hammers:


Comes with new modell of the hungarian parliament (note: this is a wonder, not Hungary's UB!):
http://members.chello.hu/yossarian/orszaghaz_screenshot.jpg

- +10 :culture:
- -15% Maintenance in the city were it was built, which is the capital city
- +2 :) in all cities
- city more likely to generate great artist
- +2 :gp:
- requires palace
- double production speed with stone
- required tech: democracy
- cost: 800 :hammers:


This modes includes an unique artstyle for Hungary, this enables building graphics different from the original ones for same building. At the moment the only building having a different graphic is the university, which uses my MTA graphic:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3053/2735424198_a64fb0bdb1.jpg?v=0


Citylist:

Budapest
Esztergom
Székesfehérvár
Debrecen
Miskolc
Szeged
Pécs
Györ
Kolozsvár
Nyíregyháza
Kecskemét
Nagyvárad
Szombathely
Szolnok
Tatabánya
Kaposvár
Marosvásárhely
Békéscsaba
Veszprém
Zalaegerszeg
Érd
Eger
Sopron
Dunaújváros
Nagykanizsa
Hódmezövásárhely
Salgótarján
Baja
Cegléd
Ózd
Szekszárd
Kézdivásárhely
Vác
Pápa
Gyöngyös
Gyula
Kiskunfélegyháza
Hajdúböszörmény
Kazincbarcika
Gödöllö
Ajka
Orosháza
Csíkszereda
Szentes
Mosonmagyaróvár
Dunakeszi
Kiskunhalas
Szabadka (?)


Includes italian civilopedia entries.

DOWNLOAD (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?ykyyphaj1nh)
(new version with all bugs fixed)

Hungarian translation of civilopedia entries and xml of Mátyás Hunyadi made by Kabcsi.

Thanks to:
- Anima Croatorum, who started this long time ago... Without you we wouldn't be here!
- Zerver, avain, Bernie14 and Chugginator for there efforts to create new unit graphics
- Ekmek, esnaz and Zerver for the animated leaderheads
- ThisParticularGreg, Andreas Pöschek and Rodefeld for the backgrounds
- asioasioasio for the texture and additional changes of the new hungarian parliament
- Charly1977 and G. Matucza who's versions of the hungarian parliament have inspired me and asioasioasio and where we got textures for it, too
- G Matucza for the inspiration to create the MTA's graphic, Chamaedrys for the végvár graphic
- 10lire for the italian civilopedia entries
- Terror666 for the units sounds, again Zerver for the music files
- all these guys that have taken part in this forum and gave us ideas and helped us to improve this mod

Don't forget to rate this mod (very positively of course)!

magyar are hungarians, yes? this is a nice new civ. well done. keep up he good work :D

:lol: @ the unique unit

Hi there Anima!

I registered just to say thank you! Being a magyar, I agree with most of your choises.

I think however, Szent István himself would make a more appropriate leader, being quiet well known in Europe, at least better known, than Árpád.

As unique unit I would recommend a horse archer with evasion I. trait., you know, for remembrance of the time of the "adventuring" armies in western Europe, with the marking tactics of fake-fleeings... Because as far as I know, battleships were not a very common and widespread additions to the hungarian navy. ;) Actually, it can be the only one I remember. And the battleship Szent István is not remembered as a lucky one to rule the high seas.

Please, think about such changes. Otherwise nice work, I´ll give it a shot when I get back to my computer, then report back.

On the other hand, have you personal relations to Hungary? I see you live in Croatia.

Cheers!

Shiver me timbers, 'tis a naval UU. Landlubber units be generally regarded as universally useful.

Hi Bal-rog!

I was considering Arpad, St. Stephen Arpad, Kalman Arpad, Jan Hunyadi and Matthias Corvinus for the medieval ruler. Arpad was the only one I got a good pic from. Do you have a good pic of St. Stephen? The best I could find is the picture of his statue on Wikipedia, and its not presentable enough for now.

About the second leader, it was supposed to be someone different(someone to acompany the special unit) but I decided not to implement him, due to his controversial history as it might offend a lot of people. I think Lajos Kossuth is best for modern leader.

About the unique unit. Give it a try, for now. My main idea was to make Hungary a different gaming experience from other civs. Horse archers and cavalries... everyone is doing them. Then why play as Hungary when you already have Russian Kossaks, Mongolian Keshik, and quite a lot of new civs is using them as well(check the Polish, Texas, and others...). I am open to suggestions. The unique unit does not reflect just the fate of this one ship, but the spirit that built it.

Perhaps some kind of Szekely knight might be better. In Civ world Horse Archer is outdated by the time Arpad crosses the Carpathian. But, whatever unique unit is implemented, I want it to provide a difference while playing, not better, not worse, but a different approach in strategy.

As for my connection with Hungary, well I live 5 minutes from the Croatian-Hungarian border, love Hungarian cuisine, wines and go shopping in Pecs now and then. And after 900 years of shared history this mod is the least I could do.

I totally agree with your decision to pick Lajos Kossuth and not to pick the leader with the controversary background... ;)

I may try and find a good picture of St. Stephen, if you wish.

I agree, that almost everyone has cavalry as UU, but... the game plays out mostly on the ground, so they have a bigger impact on gameplay. I don´t know about any Székely knights, but has anyone hussars yet? (It´s an idea of my girlfriend, I told her about your mod and it was her first guess... and she´s right. As far as I know, the hussar-unit as light cavalry was adopted into late medieval-premodern warfare after the hungarian model. Of course, almost every army had it in the XVII-XVIII. century, because it was effective and versatile.) It could be a replacement of the common cavalry unit, maybe a bit more mobile, or evasive...

What do you think?

One more question: Are you sure expansive is a good trait for Kossuth? In his time, (and after the time of Matthias Corvinus) Hungary was not anymore in the expansive stage. I would favor Creative. (You know, many Nobel prices and so on... it may be only the not-so-impartial opinion of a hungarian. Your choice...)

About units. Szekely were the elite Hungarian troops from late medieval Transylvania. Some kind of beefed up knight perhaps.

I was thinking of a unit that would go along the theme of the Second Battle of Mohacs in 1687. So, some kind of Hussars would be good, but I believe the Polish civ is implementing Hussars already. Commando upgrade would be good for them, allowing the to charge deep into hostile territory.

About Kossuths' traits.
Expansive - Hungary was not expanding on the outside, but within. He was very agressive on assimilating minorities(what brought him into conflict with Slovaks, Romanians, Germans, Serbs and Croats) and in the second half of 19th century Hungary went through a population explosion, families had like 10-15 kids. Expansive is more about larger pops and less about many cities. Organized is more about more cities since it reduces maintenance and allows management of more cities.

Philosophical - Increased birth of Great People, this represents all the great artists and scientists. Philosophical or Creative, first gives more great people, other gives more culture and expands borders.

If you want I can make him Philosophical and Creative instead of Expansive and Philosophical.

Hussars in Hungary ceased to wear metal body armour; and by 1640 most were now light cavalry. It was hussars of this 'light' pattern rather than the Polish heavy hussar that were copied across Europe. These light hussars were ideal for reconnaissance and raiding sources of fodder and provisions in advance of the army. In battle, they were used in such light cavalry roles as harassing enemy skirmishers, overrunning cannon positions, and pursuing fleeing troops.

The colourful uniforms of hussars of 1700 onwards were inspired by Hungarian fashions. This uniform usually comprised a short jacket known as a dolman, or later a medium-length "Attila" jacket, both with heavy horizontal gold braid on the breast, and gold Austrian knots on the sleeves; a matching pelisse (a short-waisted overjacket often worn slung over one shoulder); colored trousers, sometimes with gold Austrian knots at the front; a busby (a high fur hat with a cloth bag hanging from one side); and high riding boots.

Hussars also had a reputation for being the dashing, if unruly, adventurers of the army. The traditional image of the hussar is of a reckless, hard-drinking, hard-swearing, womanising, moustachioed swashbuckler. Less romantically, hussars were also known (and feared) for their poor treatment of local civilians. In addition to commandeering local food-stocks for the army, hussars were known to also use the opportunity for personal looting and pillaging.

How bout a Huszar unit(Polish are implementing Hussaria, the heavy cavalry 16.ct version), Same as cavalry but with Commando upgrade allowing them to use enemy roads.

Ok, version 1.01 is finished.

-New unique unit, the Huszar cavalry(same as regular cavalry but with commando promotion)

-Tegethoff class is now a flavour unit. Exactly same stats as Battleship, but unique description, icon and skin.

Download link (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/Magyar101.zip)

As a Hungarian just would like to thank you this MOD and Your historical accurancy. Will play a lot with it.

THANKS!

;)

Thanks Anima!

I still would have the Creative trait for modern leader. The forced assimilation was mainly cultural, mostly through schooling (and organized discrimination of the culture of the minorities), what accelerated the assimilation. And the population explosion occured mainly (or even more) in the ranks of the minorities. The immense emmigration in the XIX. century took place also in the minorities, it was a demographical problem of the Monarchy, not only Hungary.

Maybe my lack of knowledge, but I don´t know any székely special unit that time. It can be a hole in the history education, but that´s not likely.

And the population explosion occured mainly (or even more) in the ranks of the minorities. The immense emmigration in the XIX. century took place also in the minorities, it was a demographical problem of the Monarchy, not only Hungary.

Not really, check this:

1790 - 8,000,000 (39% Magyars) ~ 3,12 million Magyars
1828 - 11,495,536
1846 - 12,033,399
1880 - 13,749,603 (46% Magyars) ~ 6,32 million Magyars
1900 - 16,838,255 (51,4% Magyars) ~ 8,65 million Magyars
1910 - 18,264,533 (54,5% Magyars, 5% Jews) ~ 9,95 million Magyars

Whats in the local water supply?

That´s exatly what I meant. The increasing percent of "hungarians" is the conclusion of the cultural assimilation, not a genetical fact. The numbers show, how many more people said that they are hungarians. It is called "assimilating power" in (our) history books. No one can seriuosly think, that in 30 years the percentage increased 8,5 just because of increased birthrate. The birthrate was increasing in the whole country, not only amongst the hungarians.

Otherwise, thanks for the update. I made some advertisement on the "local" Civ4 forum, some brainstorming is on the way, so more feed back will come soon. Sorry to burden you with such things, we are generally very thankful for Your work, so please, keep it up. ;)

Looking forward to playing the Hungarians, thanks.

Well if you can find some painting of St. Stephen... the best I can do is the 10,000HUF bill(he's on the 10,000 right?)

How bout St.Stephens traits? Organized and Spiritual? Favorite civic - Organized religion?

I tried to find some pics about St. Stephen, I will send them to you, then you can chose. See you tomorrow! (Late afternoon. I have to work. :sad: )

http://tomalak.atw.hu/stistvan.jpg

Thanks for the pic! I'll get right on it.

My pleasure!!! and thanx for the mod!!

http://www.honvedelem.hu/files/9/289/i00002E4F.jpg , http://www.mcd.hu/idezetek/images/kossuth.jpg , http://keptar.demasz.hu/keptar/kep/r/reti/muvek/kossuth.jpg and colour kossuth pictures :)

http://church.lutheran.hu/reformatio/pkeptar/k_ev_portre_kossuth_lajos.jpg , http://www.hung-art.hu/kep/r/reti/muvek/reti11.jpg and please read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horthy , http://magyar.org/uploaded/images/20050118-161322_5.jpg

Kösz Tomalak! Nekem nem volt időm...

To the traits of St. Stephen: I would recommend Spiritual and Expansive, with the Organized religion as favorite civic. But Organized sounds good as well. Again: it´s your choice. :-) If you need anything, just ask. You´re the one who do us a favor...

Én örülök hogy segithetek! Eltudnád neki mondani esetleg hogy ha van kedve berakhatná harmadiknak Horthy-t, már ha lehet ilyet? És még elmondanád neki hogy rendkívül hálás vagyok a modért? Ne haragudj de mint irtam nem tok angolul nagyon :)

Ok, version 1.02 is up

-Added Saint Stephen(Organized, Spiritual, favors Organized Religion) as third leader
-Lajos Kossuth is now Creative and Philosophical, not Expansive and Philosophical
-New artwork for Lajos Kossuth

Enjoy!

Since history is somewhat of a hobby of mine(too much Paradox games) I am very well familiar with Hungarian history(esp. since 900 years of it are Croatian history as well)

Before I made this mod I was thinking about a naval civ, since there were none, one that would be interesting in alternative games, like archipelago maps. And what better candidate could I find than Admiral Horthy and SMS Szent Istvan.

So, my initial idea was to implement a powerful battleship as unique unit and Miklos Horthy and Matthias Corvinus as leaders. But then I checked up wikipedia in greater detail, for pedia material and pics.

This chapter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miklos_Horthy#Horthy.2C_Hungary.2C_and_the_Holocau st) made me decide otherwise. If he had died in 1937. he'd be my first pick due to his naval exploits and helping Hungary stand on its feet again after Trianon and Romanian occupation. As it is, it would be against my morals to implement him since I do not wish to insult people whose parents or granparents suffered or were killed during his regime. There are far better men to represent Hungary.

So, when I made my first pick, medieval candidates were Arpad, St.Stephen, Kalman Arpad, Jan Hunyadi and Matthias Corvinus. Arpad had the best pic. So he got picked.

After I dismissed Horthy, I needed a new modern leader. Kossuth was the first one that fell on my mind, considered Gyula Andrassy and Istvan Szecheny, but Kossuth was better known. So Kossuth it was.

Anyway, enjoy the mod. Its a game and should be entertaining for everyone.

PS. I think this trait distribution is best. Three leaders that implement all six traits. Something for everyone.

I see your point and totally agree with you. Thanks for considering my remarks too. I noticed that you are familiar with Hungary´s history, I must admit, more than I am with horvát history. (It´s shame, really. I try to improve.)

I have read the article in the Wikipedia too, years ago I read Horthy´s autobiographie... plain excuses and denies. Again, I agree not to implement him.

Tomalak asked me to thank you in his name too. So: THANKS! (In the name of all huingarian CIV-players, I guess.) :-)

By the time I got to installing the mod there is a new one! Wow. Looks good so far, now I will go and try it out. Köszönöm Szépen!

Good mod, I'll download the new version tonight, you definitely earned the bottle of Tokaji, hehe :goodjob:

Isn't Széchényi István an option for some kind of science-type leader?
I personally like Széchényi more than Szent István...:blush:
anybody agree?

Thanks for the mod! It's very good!
Just a suggestion: maybe you can put in Horthy or Nagy Imre in the scenario. And if you can't find good pics about them just ask me! About the units: Hussar is good! You remember that in Civ3 Conq original napoleon scenario Austria-Hungary's unique unit was also hussar, so this is a sign of hussar is the most famous hungarian soldier-form. Sorry about my english. Thanks for the mod again! Great work!

Nagy is also a good choice, but no Horthy(read why above).

Hi!

v1.02 works just fine on my rig, no problems so far. (Except the "normal" ones not in connection with the mod.) (After installing the 1.01, the flags were all blank, maybe I messed up the installation somehow.)

You took the names of the cities from a statistical book? It looks to me they are in the right order regarding population based on the most recent data. Nice!

Sort of. Typed in Google 'cities in Hungary', got a list of major cities and included all cities above 30,000 people. Hope the spelling is satisfactory, since I had to remove all diacritics. Civ cant chew them. Does the flagdecal work for you now? Those things are messy...

Mátyás király (Matthias king?) as a leader?

http://misc.magyarorszag.hu/dimages/9808_nagyimre_150.jpg a picture from Nagy Imre :)

I did try the mod and it is cool so far. A few improvements though: If you could get a red/white/green (horizontal) flag, that would be better. Also, even though you have good city names, Hungary did lose 2/3 of it's historical teritory after WWI, and so there are lots of cities that are not considered Hungarian cities now.

Otherwise you did a great job. :goodjob: Keep it up!

I played with the mod a few hours and it's great! good job!
Just an idea: I think you should write Esztergom and Székesfehérvár to the first ten cities because these were the first and second capital of Hungary.

I'll consider adding Matthias Corvinus and Imre Nagy on the next update.

As for the city list, it not trouble to push Esztergom and Székesfehérvár upwards, the cities are currently ranked by todays population.

As for further cities... show me one game where you ran out of cities. Due to political reasons(squabbling what belongs to who) I decided to limit the city list to only cities that are within a countrys todays border, so, no Ujvidek, Pozsony, Kolosvar, Fiumme... same with my Croatia mod, no Trieste, Mostar, Kotor or Zemun)

I think you made the right decision not to use city names which are outside modern-hungary. If someone wants to play with "Great Hungary" he/she can always rename cities..

One remark about the cities: its kind of strange to see a settler first build Budapest while in fact, Budapest was founded much later.. (not that i can't live with it, its just a bit strange :D )

btw: got some 45000+ score yesterday playing Magyar, eradicating the Japanese in very primitive times :goodjob:
again, thanks for the mod.

One remark about the cities: its kind of strange to see a settler first build Budapest while in fact, Budapest was founded much later.. (not that i can't live with it, its just a bit strange :D

Well, Washingotn D.C. was not the first capital of the US either and was built after the revolutionary war (1790). :crazyeye:
Also, Budapest was at first two different cities: Buda and Pest.

Having lived in Buda for a couple of years, this is the exact mod I've been looking for. Thanks :goodjob:

same with my Croatia mod, no Trieste, Mostar, Kotor or Zemun)

please if you can explain to me when mostar, kotor and zemun were in croatian state except in NDH, what i don't like to cll croatian state coz i don't belive that are all croats like that

Border between Hungary and Croatia was defined along the rivers of Drava and Danube. In medieval times, although Croatia in theory, Srijem was governed by Hungary. After we defeated the Turks the border went along the rivers with Petrovaradin and Zemun in Croatia-Slavonia, although it was governed directly by the Austrian army until the disolution of the military border. 1699.-1918.

Kotor was mostly an independent Dalmatian comune, at times vassal of Byzantium, Venice or the Kingdom of Hungary, Croatia, Slavonia and Dalmatia. As it is south of Drava and falls under the Triune Kingdom of Croatia, Slavonia and Dalmatia. Later, after Napoleon, it became part of Dalmatia, although it was governed as a crown land of Austria, it was still part of Dalmatia, one of Croat kingdoms. And Kotor was not in NDH, it went to Italy. And if you want ancient history, it was part of Red Croatia in 8th century. :p

As for Mostar, for most medieval period southern Croatian border went along the river Neretva, that would put the location where Mostar would be founded later into Croatia, earlier settlments existed at that location. After we revolted against the Turks and liberated Bosnia it was first under Austrian occupation, then after annexation of Bosnia it remained in a limbo between the two parts of the monarchy. While it was never part of Croatia proper, it was part of a Croat state. Since it it a mostly Croat town the logic to include it is similar to the logic to include Banja Luka as a Serbian town, with the exception that Mostar region was part of Croatia while Banja Luka region was never part of Serbia.

Trieste... Trieste is ours! At least until the Allies forced us out in June '45. J/K

As for the NDH period, I dont bother with it, since it was not a Croat state, but a Nazi puppet state.

Somebody can help me to set a civ?/Tudna valaki segiteni, hogy tudjak játszani pl. a nagyar civvel?

Keli, whats the problem?

Unpack the zip into your Mods folder(IE. C:\Program Files\Firaxis Games\Sid Meier's Civilization 4\Mods)

Run game
Click on 'Advanced'
Click on 'Load a mod'
Select the Magyar mod

The game will restart and once you get to the main menu you should see a small magyar tage at the edge of the screen.

Start a new game and select the Magyar civ and one of the leaders and play.

anima can you please give me some historical evidience for that long boring and false story. i don't want to offend you but..... please

How bout history books?

Will this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szer%C3%A9m_%28former_county%29) do?

name it just don't say history for 5th grade in croatian primary school.

Did you follow his link at all? The one that leads to Wikipedia?

yes i did, and where is link for that ???

A request for gamers who speak Hungarian. Could someone pls record ten select and ten order sounds, or at least post them(but if you do expect your Hungarian troops to speak with Croatian accent)

To customize sounds I need:

10 sounds for selection
10 sounds for orders

At least one song for the leaders. Something instrumental would be best.

Anyone got some good csardas mp3? Or I could use Franz Liszt - Piano Sonata in B minor. But csardas would be better

I´m afraid I cannot record samples, but I will ask others on the hungarian forums. If you would exatly describe the words (e.g. in english) you´d like to hear, that would help a lot. In which format should the samples recorded?

About music: The original game already has Brahms´s Hungarian dances, although the IV. part is the most widely known around here, which is not implemented. (O.K., I know Brahms was not hungarian in genre, but his Hungarian dances are based on the popular - and stereotypical, but still quite authentic - musical elements of his era.) I think that would fit, if you have a copy. If not, I will ask my fellow countrymen. ;)

Well, as long as it sounds good. After some research I'd personally like to use something from Imre Kalmans operettas, like Grafin Maritza or Csardasfurstin. I'll compile a list of phrases in English.

Here's the list of what Americans say:

Orders:
As you wish
Move out
Certainly
We're on it
No problem
Consider it done
Very well
On our way
Lets get moving
You can count on us

Selection:
Reporting for duty
At your service
Tell me what to do
Awaiting your order
Ready for action
Whats the plan?
Yes?
Your orders?
What do you need?
All present at accounted for

Feel free to translate more freely so that it sounds good and makes sense in Hungarian, since the phrases are bound to be different.

O.K., operetts are considered to be a bit "lighter" (cheaper), but are well known too. (Because they also mostly have lyrics, and not always very bright ones, some people dislike them, others not.) The operetts of Imre Kálmán are a big success in the USA and Japan (!?) nowadays. (I can´t imagine, why are the japanese so keen on them, but it´s fact. I don´t think you plan to sell your mod on those markets, but good to know... :lol:)

Operettes are the only thing that makes theatre bearable. Most operas are boring. The reason why I was picking for something 'lighter' is a sound that is directly identifiable with Hungary. Brahms might do, but I wanted something... spicier ;-)

I copied and posted your list on the forum I visit regularly. We´ll see...

There´s music called Monty Csárdás, it´s purely instrumental and considered to be a bravour-piece amongst musicians. Maybe a bit too fast though...

Agreed. IMO operetts are the direct ancestors of musicals. Just take a look on Broadway´s playlist...

Maybe something by Liszt?

Liszt is ok, but I need something short and lively to spice up things. This is the melody that only plays while you're negotiating with the leader of Hungary.

Considering this, I still think Brahms´s IV. dance would do the trick. It starts very lively... The introduction of the Monty Csárdás is slow...

I'll check both out, then some rip, hack and slash, and it should be just about right. Just downloading a free version of Monti-Csardas ;-)

Also, what about traits and favorite civics for Széchényi István, Matthias Corvinus and Imre Nagy?

At first sight: (it´s just guessing without too much considering, treat it that way...)

Széchenyi: Philosophical, Industrious, maybe Free Market...
(His efforts to improve Hungary both cultural and economical... Wrote books on economy, founded the Academy of Science... was a minister in the first "free" government...)

Mátyás: Creative, Organized, maybe Serfdom
(Hungary in his prime, a renaissance centrum with many artist, scientist, etc. from other countries, on the other hand a strong, centralized state, reforms in the field of government...and a strong army to keep the turks at the bay plus an ambition to become holy roman emperor...)

Imre Nagy: I don´t know. The events in the 50´s are not far enough to have a more or less clear picture, at least not for me. And he hadn´t had the time
to really prove himself. (Just a note: he was a minister for confiscation (not a good translation, but couldn´t find better right now) in the "darkest times" shortly before the revolution.) I consider him to be a great man for what he tried, but as a leader he eventually failed.

One more remark: aren´t there too much leaders with this 3? I can think of another great leaders in hungarian history (e.g. II. Rákóczi Ferenc), but...

Well, I think three are enough, but if people want more... its not difficult to add.

What about making Széchenyi Financial and Industrious, this way he'd pair up with Kossuths Creative and Philosophical rounding up the era.

Personally, I'm happy with these three leader, but it's not difficult to add more. Leaders are a simpler thing to add.

I see... and as always, agree. However (as always): It´s your choice... :-) I couldn´t do that myself, so you can count me for a user with suggestions.

Financial would do, and right, they would pair. (Isn´t financial with free market a bit too strong? Or the favorite civic affects only foreign affairs? I think so, but I may be wrong...)

What about the music? Do you like it?

Favorite civic... he's more likely to use that civic and likes leaders who use that civic better. But there is no real bonus, and most players use free market anyway(my favorite civic in the game). Favorite civic is really flavor only, it does give any advantage.

Thought so... Thanks!

As for the music... may the gods of csardas forgive me for what I did with Monti - Csardas. I took the first 10 seconds for intro. Then I removed the 90 second slow part and start right at the fast and lively part. I think it will be great. The only problem is that it made me feel hungry and crave for fish paprikash... I think I'll have to visit a csarda in Baranya real soon... fish paprikash...

:-)) The best of that kind of food can be found in Szeged, where I actually live... Might come and see...

Damn, I´m hungry too... :-)

Isabella´s music has a similar scheme, I like that. I hope you release the new version soon.

(I know, I could edit my posts to avoid double posting, sorry...)

I'll get to making new version this evening. As for fish paprikash, Baranya will do for now, Szeged seems a bit far. ;-)

I've added Szecheny only, that's four leaders, each with different traits and now they include all eight possible traits.

Esztergom is founded second. Szekesfehervar is founded third.

Did some rework on Huszar graphics, and the crest of Arpad is history, Hungary now uses the historic flag(Red, White and Green with the Crest), also, the colour is now green, not red.

Sounds work great. Everytime you negotiate with either of the four, you get to listen to Monti - Csardas. I only need unit sounds and it'll be done. Unless I get some help, all they'll be able to say will be 'Szia' and 'Igen'.

Sounds good! Can you post the update please?

In the morning, I hope, still need those sounds. ;-)

1.03 is up. Only thing left is to add all the speech. Right now its a two word civ.

Download 1.03 (http://www.filegone.com/vm8m)

Thanks! (You are working fast, maybe industrious is your trait? :D)

I announced the new release and asked again some people to do the sounds, I hope someone will answer soon.

The music is better, than I remembered and fits perfectly to the game.

Helló Anima Croatorum és Bal-rog!

Mivel angol íráskészségem véges,ezért neked írok Bal-rog!Anima modja nagyon jó,gratulálok hozzá,és persze a te ötleteid is nagyon jók!Egy dolgot meg tudnál mondani Animának?Van a Superciv mod,amiben szerepel is a magyar nemzet,ám szerintem az valami régi verzió lehet,szóval,ha tudja tetesse be a legfrissebb verziót a superciv modba,ha van rá lehetősége!További sok sikert és kreativitást kívánok!

Üdv!

Anima, I translate Terror666´s post:

He congratulates you on your efforts and finds the mod very good. He said, in the Superciv mod there is a hungarian civ, but it may be an older version, it would be good to update the one in the superciv to the latest version, so if you as author of this mod could contact LAnkou...

I'd rather wait until this project is 'finished'. With all the sound it will be wrapped up nicely.

Some hungarian sound files!

Wohoo! These are great. Wouldnt work at first(some compatibility issue), but once I gave them a slight loudness boost and saved them under a different standard they're working like charm. Now I'll go through the text files to add 'multi-language support'(copy-paste entries in english to all other languages) and 1.04 will go up.. and like CEO Morgan said: 'What goes up, better darn stay up.'

Wow, this is really evolving into an awesome Mod. Nice job Anima Croatorum! And I agree, it better stay up. :thumbsup:

1.04 is up:
-Added 'multilanguage support' mod now works with all language versions of Civ4 but displays English text
-Implemented new sounds for selection and orders for Magyar units
-All changes to files are now logged in .txt files as well for easier copy/pasting into other mods

Download 1.04 (http://www.filegone.com/nyq5)

Enjoy!

Does anyone have any names of historic Hungarian cavalry regiments the best I could find is this, from HOI2:

1. Húszar hadosztály
2. Húszar hadosztály
3. Húszar hadosztály
4. Húszar hadosztály
5. Húszar hadosztály
6. Húszar hadosztály
7. Húszar hadosztály
8. Húszar hadosztály
9. Húszar hadosztály
10. Húszar hadosztály
11. Húszar hadosztály
12. Húszar hadosztály
13. Húszar hadosztály

And:

Szent László
Szent István
Hunyadi
Kossuth
Árpád
Corvinus
Zrínyi Miklós
Thököly Imre
Magyarország
Nándorfehérvár
Budapest
Sopron
Baranya
Nógrád
Komárom
Tolna
Hajdú
Csongrád
Rákóczi
Széchenyi
Ulaszlo I
Kalman
Veszprém
Esztergom
Érd
Zombor
Ungvár
Villány
Magyarország
Nándorfehérvár
Arany Bulla
Nyilaskereszt
Duna
Raba
Drava
Thököly Imre
Magyarország
Nándorfehérvár
Arany Bulla
Nyilaskereszt

It would be a nice touch if all newly built cavalry and battleships had unique names. Even better if those names were historic. But the lists I have aren't all that good. If someone could compile new ones...

A very good idea, in my eyes! Can you do that only by editing or some srcipting is necessary?

Well... these names aren´t really good. Firstly, "huszár" is the correct spelling. I don´t have a list of historic names, but since huszars were in use mostly in the Austria-Hungary era, I would search around the napoleonic wars and beyond. The historical units were stationed mostly abroad of Hungary to avoid desertation and rebellion. Some unit had to break their way through to get back home to Hungary after the 1848 revolution. As far as I know, they were mostly named after the commanding or establishing officier, e.g. Pálffy-huszárs.

The names for ships: these names are of kings, rivers, towns, counties...I´m not familiar with the naming custom, so... why not? (Hadn´t got too many ships to name either. :-)) Some names are of towns outside the current borders, if you want to avoid such "problems"... (E.g. Nándorfehérvár is the old hungarian name of Belgrad, did you know? :-))

There are some symbolic animals for Hungary, like the Turul (a mythological bird, like an eagle). I could name some more, but maybe later, if you need it.

Two exceptions: Arany Bulla, it´s more or less identical with the english Habeas Corpus Act. Why not?

And another one: Nyilaskereszt was the symbol of hungarian nacis, a hungarian version of the swastica. I wouldn´t use it. Just my two cents...

As for Huszar names, any Cavalry unit names would do. K.u.K. cavalry regiments from Hungary would also do nicely. Tried to dig up some WWI regiments, but failed.

Its simple to edit, it would use the same principle as Great People. As you build these units, they get custom names.

As for the ship list. Like I said, its from Hearts of Iron 2, a WWII game, and this list is used in that game if Horthy conquers either Romania or Yugoslavia and starts building a navy. I do know that Nandorfehervar is Belgrade, Ujvidek is Novi Sad... is Zombor, Sombor, Vojvodina?

Arany Bulla? Golden bull? The act through which the king granted the rights of free royal town to settlements?

Nyilaskereszt, never heard of it, but won't use it. And like I said earlier I do not wish to use any city that is today outside of any nation I make a mod of.

What would be nice if someone compiled a list of cities and great historic figures to use their names to name the battleships. Might be a very nice touch. No political statements.

I forwarded your request, I regret not having the time necessary to help... we´ll see...

At the time of WWI huszars were mostly outdated, with some rare exceptions. If they were used, achieved some successes (Falkenhayn?), but at a very high cost. To charge against machine guns is not the same as it was agains artillery...

The Arany Bulla is just one single act (in 1222), it influenced the rights of lesser nobles and had a particular effect on the society. (But you´re right, free royal towns got their rights through royal acts.) (My memories in the field of history are clouded, but I try to be as precise as possible...)

Yeah, right, Zombor is Sombor in Vojvodina (Vajdaság in hungarian).

Now, got to back to work. :-)

Well, they don't really have to be Huszar, any cavalry regiment will do. No reason to be too strict.

IE. those names I posted are used for cavalry in between the world wars and in WWII. By that time Huszars were long obsolete. Its more about a creative approach. ;-)

Very good the new version of this mod. Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't u want unite the magyar and croation mod on a europe map?

I most likely will, but I'm still cleaning up my Croatia mod. I did a lot of change in the code so I can easily merge my mods. I'm not quite satisfied with the sounds I recorded and haven't decided for two of four leaders. I'll probably do it next week.

You mean unite as in make a scenario with both civs... or something else?

A mod including Hortvàt (Croatian) Mod, Magyar (Hungary) Mod and a big europe map.

Great mod! :b:

I'm going to install it and fire up a game once I finish this post. I'm Hungarian-American, and I always take special pleasure in leading the Magyars to victory. Couple of notes:

Arany Bulla, it´s more or less identical with the english Habeas Corpus Act. Why not?
I think you mean the Magna Carta, right?

And while it looks like you don't need it anymore, I've got a few Csardas songs (3 only) that I could get you. I love it, totally brings back memories of my grandparents, but I've only been able to find 3 online. I don't have a lot of money to buy music anymore. So I would be quite happy and appreciative if someone could hook me up with some good Csardas MP3s. (or any other good Hungarian music you recommend).

My e-mail: alex at oneandfour.org

btw, I've never heard of István Széchenyi before. Was he really that critical of a Hungarian leader (was he even a leader?) to be one of the few selected? I'd definitely include Matthias over this guy.

http://tomalak.atw.hu/Rakoczi_indulo.mp3 a musique for hungarian war theme if u think.

Well, war theme plays only when you're negotiating peace treaty.

IE. You play another country, declare war on Hungary and then sue for peace later. Thats the only time you would hear it. I put one in Croatia mod just to see what it does. It doesnt play on city zoom when you play the country and go to war with someone, they always play the main theme.

This is a nice peace to add to the Civ4 soundtrack, but for something that plays so little, something sharper and more bombastic, easy to recognize in short time(IE. something like Radetzki march) would be more apropriate. I'm not sure if war theme sounds are even worth doing.

ahham, i understand :(

what I could add are different songs for different periods. Right now Csardas plays from 4000BC to 2050AD, some leaders have specific songs for specific periods. Other mp3 could be added. Different songs for ancient, classical, medieval...

Sorry Ozzy, my mistake... You are right, it was the Magna Carta. (These are often used to demonstrate the parallel development of feudal societies.)

Ok, so I just got this mod installed last night and had a good game going. Then I try to load up the save today and it doesn't work. So I come back here and discover that I put the mod files in the wrong folder (I put them in My Games, not the main Civ4 folder). So I moved the files and loaded the mod and tried to load my save again and it still wouldn't work.

Its still looking for the files in the original directory.

Is there any way to get around this? I had a really good game going there, first time I played Monarch and I was doing damn good with it.

Én örülök hogy segithetek! Eltudnád neki mondani esetleg hogy ha van kedve berakhatná harmadiknak Horthy-t, már ha lehet ilyet? És még elmondanád neki hogy rendkívül hálás vagyok a modért? Ne haragudj de mint irtam nem tok angolul nagyon :)

Horthy szerintem nagyon rossz választás.
Az ő idejében sem nem épült vagy fejlődött az ország igazán, nem hajtottunk végre semmi igazán nagyot, sem nem szerzett igazi nemzetközi hírnevet, sőt ő kormányzója volt az országnak ugyan, de az irányokat főleg később már mások diktálták Gömbös stb.

Mátyás király ezerszer jobb lenne akkor.

To english speaking buddies:

I just recommended Matthias Rex (real name: Mátyás Hunyadi) as alternate leader for Magyars.
I think he is well known in foreign lands too and he's a legend here in Hungary.

Thanks for the mod! It's very good!
Just a suggestion: maybe you can put in Horthy or Nagy Imre in the scenario.

Nagy Imrét semmiképp!!!
Egy köpönyegforgató.
Kommunista beszolgáltatási miniszterből függetlenségi harcos.
Az ilyen ne képviseljen...
Akkor inkább Dózsa György, az haláláig hű volt elveihez (csak vicceltem) :)

Nagy is also a good choice, but no Horthy(read why above).

Above said to hungarian friends why not Nagy.
He was agricultural minister under stalinist regime and most seriously responsible for forceful collectives of goods and food from the people.
Then took the opportunity to take the lead of a spontaneous rebellion against soviet occupation and show himself as big friend of liberty.
He's worthless IMO to represent us.

Matthias Rex is better A LOT.

Also i'd like to note that the Arpad house had a different flag (red-white striped) than what we use now and the flags of kings were the same or similar to that until the era of revolutions and nationalism came when the three-colored red-white-green took it's part.
Some monarchists still use the old flags at political gatherings and the such even today.

Just for info.
I like the actual one better :)

Also, the crown wasn't part of the flag in the time of the national war of independence 'cos it was heavily anti-feudalist and anti-monarchist in the same time.

Very important to point out that Széchenyi didn't favor free market at all.
He was strict mercantilist and protectionist so definitely should be changed to mercantilism civic as his favourite.

I'll consider adding Matthias Corvinus and Imre Nagy on the next update.

As for the city list, it not trouble to push Esztergom and Székesfehérvár upwards, the cities are currently ranked by todays population.

As for further cities... show me one game where you ran out of cities. Due to political reasons(squabbling what belongs to who) I decided to limit the city list to only cities that are within a countrys todays border, so, no Ujvidek, Pozsony, Kolosvar, Fiumme... same with my Croatia mod, no Trieste, Mostar, Kotor or Zemun)

I don't think it could insult anyone to include important cities which are now foreign territory.
A lot of magyar 'great persons' born and acted in those cities. They also very important in historical aspect.
Only problem might be when someone include a neighboring country as modded civ in the same game.
But that's not that big problem too 'cos they'll have slavic or romanian names and our hungarian so no prob. :)
Given that default civ Japanese has both Edo and Tokyo cities which are identical :) (formerly called Edo in medieval times, now called Tokyo)

I think Pozsony, Kassa, Beszterce, Munkács, Kolozsvár, Arad, Nagyvárad, Brassó, Újvidék are a must, probably a lot more.
I know for instance Pozsony was slovakian dominated ethnically for a long time ago, like Brassó romanian (even when they were Hungarian Kingdom).
Just these cities for instance added too much to Hungarian culture to neglect them.
I suppose if Serbija succeeded in occupying Osijek in the post-jugo war and that would be Serbija now you were still list that as Croatian ;)
And i don't think it would insult you to list it as Eszék in this mod as well

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It's odd that Serbija and serb minorities started the bloodshed to establish Great-Serbija and their country is the one that falls apart now.
They lose big amount of culturally very important territories for them, Kosovo, Crna Gora, had to leave Croatia etc.
It's something like Trianon was for us i think.

Never spoke with a serb about this.

One remark about the cities: its kind of strange to see a settler first build Budapest while in fact, Budapest was founded much later.. (not that i can't live with it, its just a bit strange :D )

No problem.
Washington wasn't built in 4000BC either :)
In fact AFAIK New York's original name is New Amsterdam.

Well, Washingotn D.C. was not the first capital of the US either and was built after the revolutionary war (1790). :crazyeye:

Which was the previous ones?

Also, Budapest was at first two different cities: Buda and Pest.

And Óbuda.
Budapest was formed from this 3 cities initially.
Then it integrated dozens of smaller cities later like Újpest, Nagytétény, Rákospalota etc.etc.

After we revolted against the Turks and liberated Bosnia...

I'm not sure they were happy about that much to call it liberation.
They converted to islam and allied to the turks AFAIK.

BTW where the name of the city Rijeka comes from?
I think it means river, but what's the picture? :)

A request for gamers who speak Hungarian. Could someone pls record ten select and ten order sounds, or at least post them(but if you do expect your Hungarian troops to speak with Croatian accent)

To customize sounds I need:

10 sounds for selection
10 sounds for orders

At least one song for the leaders. Something instrumental would be best.

Anyone got some good csardas mp3? Or I could use Franz Liszt - Piano Sonata in B minor. But csardas would be better

Csardas is kind of folk dance music.
I think we have other types of folk music which are better for listening.
Try the band Ghymes for instance, or Sebestyén Márta is very good too.
I could send you some songs if you'd like.

Here's the list of what Americans say:

Orders:
As you wish
Move out
Certainly
We're on it
No problem
Consider it done
Very well
On our way
Lets get moving
You can count on us

Selection:
Reporting for duty
At your service
Tell me what to do
Awaiting your order
Ready for action
Whats the plan?
Yes?
Your orders?
What do you need?
All present at accounted for

Feel free to translate more freely so that it sounds good and makes sense in Hungarian, since the phrases are bound to be different.

This part is stolen from Warcraft i think :)

Liszt is ok, but I need something short and lively to spice up things. This is the melody that only plays while you're negotiating with the leader of Hungary.

Something from the rock-opera Stephen The King could be good too.

Igaz, foleg most hogy màr van Széchenyi nem is kell màs mindig vele vagyok. :D

I just recommended Matthias Rex (real name: Mátyás Hunyadi) as alternate leader for Magyars.
I think he is well known in foreign lands too and he's a legend here in Hungary.

There really is no justification for more than four leaders per civ. All traits are included. From my perspective, best balance would be two pre-1526. and two post 1526. So, should I replace Arpad with Matthias?

Also i'd like to note that the Arpad house had a different flag (red-white striped) than what we use now and the flags of kings were the same or similar to that until the era of revolutions and nationalism came when the three-colored red-white-green took it's part.

Earlier versions used Arpad crest as flag, four red and four white stripes. The colour of Hungary had to be red. After I figured out how to make multi-color I went with this flag(As much as I've seen, this unofficial variant is the most widespread one in Hungary. Every village/town hall I've seen in Baranya fields this one and not the official flag), and then I switched the colour to green(on bi-colour flags, nation colour and flag colour were identical. If Hungary was given any other colour its crest would change colour too. IE. Arpads crest with green bars.)

Very important to point out that Széchenyi didn't favor free market at all.
He was strict mercantilist and protectionist so definitely should be changed to mercantilism civic as his favourite.

Well, I dont know all that much about his economic attitudes. I derived it from this:

One of his dreams was to use the river Danube as an universal commercial route, and he travelled throughout the river and supported the works to clear the rocky parts which obstructed ship travel. He was a supporter of the steam boat idea, and pushed their use. In the late 1830s he worked on the clearing of Danube, the founding and regulation of horse racing and the Lánchíd (Chain Bridge, which was later named Széchenyi Lánchíd after him).

I can always switch it to Mercantilism.

I think Pozsony, Kassa, Beszterce, Munkács, Kolozsvár, Arad, Nagyvárad, Brassó, Újvidék are a must, probably a lot more.

I'll put it this way: Post me screenshots of one game where you ran out of names for your Magyar civ. I'm Croatian and I don't really need to get into the waters of Kolosvar vs. Cluj or Pozsony vs. Bratislava which further leads to current political shootouts over status of minorities(esp. Hungary and Romania) If you want to, you can always give any town any name yourself.

It's odd that Serbija and serb minorities started the bloodshed to establish Great-Serbija and their country is the one that falls apart now.
They lose big amount of culturally very important territories for them, Kosovo, Crna Gora, had to leave Croatia etc.
It's something like Trianon was for us i think.

Its called karma.

Kosovo? They migrated to Vojvodina. I'd say that was a good deal.

Montenegro? Montenegro was as part of Serbia as Serbia was part of Montenegro. If they dont want to live together anymore, thats their business.

Croatia? Croatia was never part of Serbia, we were part of Yugoslavia, but Serbia never.

Like Trianon? In some ways, maybe. But they didnt lose what they had, they failed to get what didnt belong to them.

Budapest was formed from this 3 cities initially.
Then it integrated dozens of smaller cities later like Újpest, Nagytétény, Rákospalota etc.etc.

And if I include all these small cities, you'll fill up the entire continent without even getting to Debrecen. ;)

I'm not sure they were happy about that much to call it liberation.
They converted to islam and allied to the turks AFAIK.

Initial revolt started in a Bosnian Croat village, Gabela(also famous for its fake Troy), next month Bosnian Serbs joined the revolt, and later it spread all across the Balkans. General Filipović and K.u.K. got the mandate much later and finished the job. On the peace congress the fact that Croats had started and fought out the majority of revolt was used to enforce realpolitik and give Austria-Hungary the mandate for occupation and governance of Bosnia-Herzegovina. In those days Bosniaks were minority.

BTW where the name of the city Rijeka comes from?
I think it means river, but what's the picture?

There was an old Illyric, later Roman city called Tarsatica, in medieval times it was named Trsat, nearby on the river a settlement appeared and grew. Later the centre moved to this new settlement and the new town was called after the place it was founded. The river. Rijeka means river, and Trsat is nowadays one of its historic neighbourhoods. Even Italian name Fiumme means the same. And its apropriate. Third largest carnival in the world(right after Rio(again Rijeka) and Cologne)


Csardas is kind of folk dance music.
I think we have other types of folk music which are better for listening.
Try the band Ghymes for instance, or Sebestyén Márta is very good too.
I could send you some songs if you'd like.
Something from the rock-opera Stephen The King could be good too.

Well, I like this Csardas, its very easy to recognize and people associate it with Hungary. Isnt folk dance music just the right thing to hear once you zoom in close on a town. I dont mind adding other music, but download size grows with additional content.

Whev, this was an epic reply...

Ok, so I just got this mod installed last night and had a good game going. Then I try to load up the save today and it doesn't work. So I come back here and discover that I put the mod files in the wrong folder (I put them in My Games, not the main Civ4 folder). So I moved the files and loaded the mod and tried to load my save again and it still wouldn't work.

Its still looking for the files in the original directory.

Is there any way to get around this? I had a really good game going there, first time I played Monarch and I was doing damn good with it.

Any help?........

Any help?........

I'm not sure. I think there is a bug that save games sometimes 'forget' they're mod savegames. Happened to me twice playing other mods. I do not think its connected to a specific mod, something that just sometimes happens when using mods. Civ4 bug.

Dont know how to fix it. Perhaps some savegame hacking might be in order(to insert which mod to use) but that is beyond my skills. No fix available for now.

There really is no justification for more than four leaders per civ. All traits are included. From my perspective, best balance would be two pre-1526. and two post 1526. So, should I replace Arpad with Matthias?

I would but it's up to you.
For me there's much less known about Árpád than Matthias but it may be my fault. :)

Well, I dont know all that much about his economic attitudes.
I can always switch it to Mercantilism.

I highly recommend it.
Actually both Kossuth and Széchenyi were mercantilists economy-wise.
Kossuth was more republican and Széchenyi more aristocrat.


I'll put it this way: Post me screenshots of one game where you ran out of names for your Magyar civ. I'm Croatian and I don't really need to get into the waters of Kolosvar vs. Cluj or Pozsony vs. Bratislava which further leads to current political shootouts over status of minorities(esp. Hungary and Romania) If you want to, you can always give any town any name yourself.

OK. Not a big deal.
Just funny that even today such things still insult people while we (romans and magyars) should be friends for a long time now.
Do you know Kossuth had a plan to form a big confederate-state in this region? Had been better maybe. Spare all these pointless ethnic hatred.
Was this hatred among southern slavic peoples still present in Jugoslavija or evolved only after it?


Kosovo? They migrated to Vojvodina. I'd say that was a good deal.

Maybe not a good deal when your home is destroyed and have to leave your homeland. Not sure though :rolleyes:


Montenegro? Montenegro was as part of Serbia as Serbia was part of Montenegro. If they dont want to live together anymore, thats their business.

That's right. Though i think most serbs look at Montenegro as a vassal-state like Transsylvania was ours. So it could feel like a loss or betrayal.

Croatia? Croatia was never part of Serbia, we were part of Yugoslavia, but Serbia never.

Sure i know that.
But many serbs lived there and had to live their homes after the war AFAIK.
I know it could be hard to justice whether they acted a treason by not supporting Hrvatska but rebelled and supported Serbija.
I'm too outsider to decide.

Like Trianon? In some ways, maybe. But they didnt lose what they had, they failed to get what didnt belong to them.

Somewhat right. But AFAIK Kosovo and Montenegro was part of Serbija for a long time. Correct me if i'm wrong.
So from the hopes and dreams of Great Serbija they ended up losing what they had at the start.

Initial revolt started in a Bosnian Croat village, Gabela(also famous for its fake Troy), next month Bosnian Serbs joined the revolt, and later it spread all across the Balkans. General Filipović and K.u.K. got the mandate much later and finished the job. On the peace congress the fact that Croats had started and fought out the majority of revolt was used to enforce realpolitik and give Austria-Hungary the mandate for occupation and governance of Bosnia-Herzegovina. In those days Bosniaks were minority.

There was an old Illyric, later Roman city called Tarsatica, in medieval times it was named Trsat, nearby on the river a settlement appeared and grew. Later the centre moved to this new settlement and the new town was called after the place it was founded. The river. Rijeka means river, and Trsat is nowadays one of its historic neighbourhoods. Even Italian name Fiumme means the same. And its apropriate. Third largest carnival in the world(right after Rio(again Rijeka) and Cologne)

Thank You very much for the info.
Every bit of knowledge of each other and each others history is invaluable.

Been to Rijeka few times.
A like that huge harbor very much. Actually i like everything related to transportation and construction machines like cranes etc.
Also been in Opatija on holiday. It's beautiful.


Well, I like this Csardas, its very easy to recognize and people associate it with Hungary. Isnt folk dance music just the right thing to hear once you zoom in close on a town. I dont mind adding other music, but download size grows with additional content.

Whev, this was an epic reply...

Nowadays csárdás is mainly listened and sang and danced in so-called dance houses (these host folk music and dances) which i visit sometimes but not too many do.

But some more progressive bands like Ghymes are widely popular.

Don't misunderstand me, i like the csárdás too, just had to point that out.

Was quite a long reply indeed :)

I personaly think the csardas is fine. It is Hungarian and it sounds good when I zoom in on my cities!

Oh, and kettyo, New York was the first capital of the US. Then Philadelphia and finally Washington DC.

I would but it's up to you.
For me there's much less known about Árpád than Matthias but it may be my fault. :)

Its completely natural that less is known about Arpad, since nothing was writen in his time. Thus, he is more mythical. But what is certain is that he is the founder of a dynasty that forged the Hungarian kingdom in the next centuries. Less might be known about Arpad, but I would not say his name is any less known than Matthias. And there is one, very mundane, problem with Matthias. Not a single painting online. There are photographs of statues, and two medieval pics on wikipedia(neither on portrait level). Not a single portrait to use for his artwork.

I highly recommend it.
Actually both Kossuth and Széchenyi were mercantilists economy-wise.
Kossuth was more republican and Széchenyi more aristocrat.

Ok, on next update.

OK. Not a big deal.
Just funny that even today such things still insult people while we (romans and magyars) should be friends for a long time now.
Do you know Kossuth had a plan to form a big confederate-state in this region? Had been better maybe. Spare all these pointless ethnic hatred.
Was this hatred among southern slavic peoples still present in Jugoslavija or evolved only after it?

The problem with Kossuth was that he had no such plans in 1848. thats what led him into conflict with all ethnic groups within the Kingdom and seriously weakened the revolution. If his rhetoric and politics were different... who knows. He saw the error too late, when he was living in exile in USA. Would it have led to an EU before WWI. Who knows?

Ethnic conflict between South slavs started in 1840-ies, and was heated up several times before WWI. Ussually Austria played on Serbs to diminish the influence Croatian political parties and Croatian-Hungarian Unionists. During the first Yugoslavia, political oppression deepened the conflicts which exploded in WWII. During Tito's reign, all such conflicts were suppressed. After his death, all the old ideologies and traumas resurfaced and the result was the bloody Balkanese '90-ies.

Maybe not a good deal when your home is destroyed and have to leave your homeland. Not sure though :rolleyes:

One cannot change history, esp. ancient history. It did happen a few centuries ago, after that failed revolt against the Turks. I'm pretty certain that Novi Sad is a much nicer city than Priština. You gain some, you lose some. C'est la vie. Should I cry for all we lost in Bosnia? Whats the point?

That's right. Though i think most serbs look at Montenegro as a vassal-state like Transsylvania was ours. So it could feel like a loss or betrayal.

Most likely, but a large number of Montenegrins do not feel that way. Serb-Montenegrin relations are very complicated. Some view Montenegrin as ethnic, some as regional identity.

Sure i know that.
But many serbs lived there and had to live their homes after the war AFAIK.
I know it could be hard to justice whether they acted a treason by not supporting Hrvatska but rebelled and supported Serbija.
I'm too outsider to decide.

Its rather complicated. Serb civilians were gone before Croat forces arrived. Krajina authorities started mass evacuation right at start. They were not expelled, they left. Well, you know what the usual punishment for treason in times of war is. They could've ended up, far, far worse, if we had treated them how they treated non-Serbs.

Somewhat right. But AFAIK Kosovo and Montenegro was part of Serbija for a long time. Correct me if i'm wrong.
So from the hopes and dreams of Great Serbija they ended up losing what they had at the start.

Well, at first, Serbia(Rascia) was a vassal state of Montenegro(Duklja). After the decline of Komnen renessaince and permanent withdrawal of Byzantines from the region, Serbia emerged and Montenegro(Zeta) was its vassal. After Serbia fell, Montenegro continued to exist as an independent state until it was conquered by Serbian army in WWI.

Been to Rijeka few times.
A like that huge harbor very much. Actually i like everything related to transportation and construction machines like cranes etc.
Also been in Opatija on holiday. It's beautiful.

Opatija is a bit too expensive for what it offers. I suggest anyplace on Makarska riviera. More sun, better beaches and more topless Czech and Slovak chicks. What more can you ask for?

Nowadays csárdás is mainly listened and sang and danced in so-called dance houses (these host folk music and dances) which i visit sometimes but not too many do.

But some more progressive bands like Ghymes are widely popular.

Don't misunderstand me, i like the csárdás too, just had to point that out.

Well, I'm always open to new content. Monti - Csardas is nice. I even saw that there is some techno version. Some band called Princess? I could put different song for different eras.

Oh, and kettyo, New York was the first capital of the US. Then Philadelphia and finally Washington DC.

Thanx!

And when had New York got it's new name?
It was called New Amsterdam before AFAIK.

The problem with Kossuth was that he had no such plans in 1848. thats what led him into conflict with all ethnic groups within the Kingdom and seriously weakened the revolution. If his rhetoric and politics were different... who knows. He saw the error too late, when he was living in exile in USA. Would it have led to an EU before WWI. Who knows?

Yes this turned out to be serious fault but it has to be seen that Kossuth and that liberal nationalism he represented had tons of enemies among hungarians as well so maybe didn't have the energy to care the other ethnics too and it's also true that most other ethnics were supporting feudalism strongly that time. The republicanism of Kossuth unfortunately did not spread to the minorities. Nevertheless it was unlikely that the very strong feudalist alliance in Europe (+Russia) could be beaten anyways that time.
It might have been a more better option to spread the ideology first for several years and not to start a direct confrontation on nationwide level so rapidly.

Ethnic conflict between South slavs started in 1840-ies, and was heated up several times before WWI. Ussually Austria played on Serbs to diminish the influence Croatian political parties and Croatian-Hungarian Unionists. During the first Yugoslavia, political oppression deepened the conflicts which exploded in WWII. During Tito's reign, all such conflicts were suppressed. After his death, all the old ideologies and traumas resurfaced and the result was the bloody Balkanese '90-ies.

It's very very sad.

One cannot change history, esp. ancient history. It did happen a few centuries ago, after that failed revolt against the Turks. I'm pretty certain that Novi Sad is a much nicer city than Priština. You gain some, you lose some. C'est la vie. Should I cry for all we lost in Bosnia? Whats the point?

You're totally right but i spoke about the present.
In the past few years serbs were expelled from Kosovo by albans or had to leave except the Mitrovica region near Serbija border AFAIK.

I usually read sites like gendercide.org or humanrightswatch.org 'cos i like to know the deepest darkness of human nature. :blush:

Its rather complicated. Serb civilians were gone before Croat forces arrived. Krajina authorities started mass evacuation right at start. They were not expelled, they left. Well, you know what the usual punishment for treason in times of war is. They could've ended up, far, far worse, if we had treated them how they treated non-Serbs.

It suggests that the evacuation was pre-planned then.
Given the sudden advance of operation 'oluja' it could not be organized in that few days it's impossible.
But what had been the point in preparing for mass-evacuation of your own people? Added that they refused the peace proposal so didn't expect defeat.
Impossible to understand.

About the deeds of serb fascists and militia i've read about them a lot.
Similarly evil to japanese soldiers in Asia in WWII.
War is generally only good for the people who like to kill or torture or rob out others and for the military industry.

Well, at first, Serbia(Rascia) was a vassal state of Montenegro(Duklja). After the decline of Komnen renessaince and permanent withdrawal of Byzantines from the region, Serbia emerged and Montenegro(Zeta) was its vassal. After Serbia fell, Montenegro continued to exist as an independent state until it was conquered by Serbian army in WWI.

Thx a lot!

Opatija is a bit too expensive for what it offers. I suggest anyplace on Makarska riviera. More sun, better beaches and more topless Czech and Slovak chicks. What more can you ask for?

I'll surely check out Makarska then.
I'll also have to look Dubrovnik for myself sometime.

Well, I'm always open to new content. Monti - Csardas is nice. I even saw that there is some techno version. Some band called Princess? I could put different song for different eras.

Princess are three young women playing the violin.
They are actually kind of junk-band for the masses you know what i mean.
They are not good musicians at all just making money with good looks and good management and media relations.
It's nice idea for the modern era though.

Are you planning to have Attila for leader in a future upgrade?

Are you planning to have Attila for leader in a future upgrade?

Attila is feared leader of the barbarian huns.
Despite wide misthought magyar people commonly called hungarians in the west have are relative to the huns at all.

So it would be a bad idea.

Wasnt there a political initiative this year for the recognition of the Hunnish minority in Hungary? They were claiming that 100,000 Huns lived in Hungary. But the government blocked it.

Yea, i heard about that.

Yeah, there was such a nonsense... :)

The according law makes it possible to get recognition as a minority if you can collect enough (valid) supporters. (The same applies to religions.) So if you´d decide to form a norvegian minority (or a new religion) with your college buddies in Hungary it´s not impossible. It´s all about getting subventions from the state. (There were people who abused the regulation, stated, that they were gipsies and the majority in their neigbourhood - who of course knew about the cheating - voted for them, so they could form an absulote minority-free self governing authority for minorities... I hope this hole in the suffrage system will be corrigated till the next elections.)

So I wonder when the sarmatians, gepids, kuns,etc. rise again and demand reconginition (and money).

One more thought: Széchenyi´s mercantilism was meant in empire-level (I mean the Habsburg-empire), so for the countries involved it would have had the effect of a (internal) free market...

We had a similar episode, some ten years ago, when half of local Roma community started claiming that they are not Roma but Romanian to get separate funding from government. Didnt work all that well since none of them spoke Romanian or knew anything of Romanian culture...

Anyway, among the pearls of Magyar politics I remember two things:

1. Blondes making political protest to ban jokes on blondes

2. Petition to ban Simpsons(due to the fact that Milhouse claimed to be Gipsie in one episode and threathened to drink the blood and steal the soul of someone, it was seen as insulting to the Roma)

So, basically, Széchenyi is as free trade/mercantilism as EU. Free trade within members, but Fortress Europe/K.u.K outwards. Stimulates trade between members but discriminates third parties(something that EU is turning into an artform...)

In the past few years serbs were expelled from Kosovo by albans or had to leave except the Mitrovica region near Serbija border AFAIK.
Ha , such propaganda where there is no mention of the numerous expulsions of Albanians by the serbs.

Hi everybody!

About the quarrelling what's going on here for days:
Everybody's right, because the personal right is a subjetive thing. So, the guy with the signature of "Serbija" has his own right, Anima Croatorum has his own, and I have my own. And the reality is an other thing, that no living man ever will be able to find out.
About the Balkan wars: I was in Bosnia. It is the most beautiful country I've ever seen. The brilliant sights, the beautiful countryside, the castles of Doboj, Ljubuski, Capljina.
And I was in Bosnia. I saw the destroyed Croatian villages near Teslic, that was terrible. I was in Mostar. I saw the destroyed Bosniac villages, that was terrible. I was in the Republika Srpska at the time of othodox christmas. I spoke with Bosniacs who were full of fear. I saw convoy of serbs armed with AKs and all other sorts of weapons cruising in the countryside. I was in the Federation at the time of Bayram. I spoke with Croats and Serbs full of fear, and saw armed Bosniacs. Everywhere I go were at least 3-4 known minefields and many more unknown. :sad:
So, Please, stop arguing about the fate of once-existed, once-powerful fallen states and ethnic conflicts here. I thought that this thread IS for the Hungarian Mod, so we should use this for this purpose. Who cares now that Hungary somewhere in the past ruled most parts of Serbia, conquered Croatia, and half of Bosnia? It's gone, and we have to live in the present and for the future. It's a state which we'll never be able to achieve again, and everybody, who has sense don't want to achieve. :confused:

Pardon me, I don't want to offend anybody, but I think this is not the right place for that kind of chatting. :blush:

Anyway, I just downloaded this mod, sounds good, so I try it at once. :)

About the leaders: I don't think that King Matthias would be a good choice. He only waged so expensive wars, and slowly he overused most of the country's resources for a temporary success, for what our ancestors had to pay more in the long run.
The rulers who made our country strong was III. Béla, I. Károly Róbert and I. László. III. Béla united the country again after 10 years of chaos, and beated the Byzantine Empire several times. I. Károly Róbert restored the power of the king, and tried to make a strong economy. I. László's main achievement was running up the economy by forcing law and order. I think they should have been better choices than Árpád or I. István.
And don't forget that the only Hungarian origin leader of the united Hungary until Rear Admiral Horthy - besides Kossuth Lajos - was II. Ferenc Rákóczy, the reigning prince of Transsylvania and Hungary. :rolleyes:

I agree with fsakezaf, this should be about improving the Hungarian Mod for Civ IV and not a discussion over politics.

kettyo: in 1664 the British conquered New Neatherland and New Amsterdam and renamed it to New York. If you want more info go to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City) and look it up. This isn't really part of the Hungarian Mod so I'll stop here.

I agree too. I´m sorry if it were my replies that gave the thread a foul course... :-)

On the other hand, I have the impression, that most of us has a similar approach to history and can see the difference between past and present. So this discussion wasn´t in vain. I wouldn´t say it was a quarrel, or even discussion, just sharing opinions, and they are not too far from each other.

I dislike the fact of restarting the game to play a Mod, so I am contemplating the idea of integrating this into the game and not having to worry about restarting the game. Is there anything I should know before I go ahead and try this? Any help is appreciated.

Just make a batch(.bat) file that contains the following:

del "%appdata%\My Games\Sid Meier's Civilization 4\cache" /q
Civilization4 mod="Mods\Magyar"
exit

or create a shortcut that stars civ4 with the mod="Mods\Magyar" parameter.

Or create a shortcut to the saved game file I am using. Thanks!

Boldog Karàcsonyt! - Merry Christmas! - Joyeux Noel!

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year :)

Hi everyody!

In the past few weeks I played some games with the Hungarian leaders provided by the 1.04 version of the mod, and I would like to thank every persons work that they've put in the development of it.

I really enjoy this mod!

(still Saint Stephen to try...)

Regards,
Tofe

Magyarok! Magyar rajongói oldal: http://civhu.uw.hu/ Gyertek!

Can we ask someone to make a moving LH? That would be really cool. Other then that I have really enjoyed this mod.

Okay, than if it couldn't effect in hungarian than maybe in english:) New Hungarian Civilization Fanatic site!!! www.civhu.uw.hu

If you have the Magyars, the ancestors of the Hungarians, you need the Szekely, the ancestors of the Romanians, since historically they were always placed together as a Turco-Ugric offshoot of Mongolian stock that became recognised as seperate and independant only after the Mongolian invasion of Kiev Rus in the 9th century up until the rebellion of the Volga/Don Republics under the banner of Aleksandr Nievsky against the German Templars, when the Tsars relocated to Kiev, and then Moscow under Nicholas I, the first of the Romanovs. Prominent Szekely include Vlad Tsepesh, aka Vlad the Impaler/Dracula, who used lepers and impalement in the wars against the Turks (Medieval Germ Wafare and torture of prisoners of war.) Rasputin the Mad Monk, and Ivan III aka Ivan the Terrible, who was related by blood, as well as by marriage, to his cousin Sergei Yorgi's great-aunt Sophia, ancestor of Catherine the Great, who built the church of St. Sophia, later known as the Kremlin, in her name. You could also include the Dinesti family dynasty, led by Prince Radu Dan I, Vlad Tsepesh's brother, another prominent Eastern European bloodline who were the mortal enemies of the Szekely, due to being allied with the Turks in the wars over the succession to the throne of Transylvania and, by extension, the whole of Romania in the dark/middle ages.

Szekely have no connection with Romanians other than that they live in modern day Romania. They're an offshot of main Magyar group that settled in Transylvania. Szekely nowdays make up a large part of Magyar ethnic minority in Transylvania.

Szekely and Magyar are from Venus, Romanians are from Mars.

Amen, Anima Croatorum!

MAGYAROK! aki érdeklődne a játékfordítás iránt jöjjön! az ULTRAHUN cspatba toborzunk embereket!. ha érdeklne: msn: nodoubtforever@hotmail.com GYERTEK!!!

Bocsi, hogy megint így magyarul berondítok, de ez most nem off: Magyar Civ4 Klán!!! Várunk szívesen mindenkit: www.civ4.uw.hu

AC,

I have been hooked on your Magyar mod since I discovered it (my Mother's a Hungarian, Father is a Serb), but have made the "mistake" of upgrading to v1.61. The upgrade has "busted" the Mod. I have made changes where I have discovered they are needed (Forbidden Palace seems to be "Great Palace" and 3 Gorges is now "Great Dam" in the xml files), but I am wondering if you will update the Mod or post a list of fixes for us fanatics to make.

Or if anyone else has solved this problem, a little help would be appreciated.

My compliments to you. :goodjob:

Yeah, does anyone know how to make this 1.61 compatible?

Yeah, does anyone know how to make this 1.61 compatible?

I'd do it, if I could get hold of the ****ing file. I'm currently downloading it from FileGone at 0.2 KB/s. That's not ****ing funny. What's even worse is that there was no need for the creator to upload it there. CivFanatics offer a temp. ftp account to anyone who wants to upload a file under 100 MB. It is really starting to piss me off. Creators should use their wits and upload to CFC! That is the easiest way for the end-user to get hold of the damn thing.

Yeah, does anyone know how to make this 1.61 compatible?

Hi,

Thank for this nice mod. I would say it is partially 1.61 compatible: when I load it, I got some error messages, like: “Tag: BUILDINGCLASS_FORBIDDEN_PALACE in Info class was incorrect. Current XML file is: Civilizations/CIV4CivilizationInfos.xml”. Otherwise, it still runs, it is just annoying to have this. Any idea?

Ulysse

As I recall there are a few changes. Forbidden Palace; Three Gorges Dam; Communism; and Fascism. But these are wording changes, for example "Communism" is not "Communism" in the files, it is "Utopia." (Go figure!) You need to go through the Magyar files and update them. There is also a problem with "Chinese Leader" that I have not been able to figure out. As you fix one, the next "error" pops up. As you said, it is not fatal, just annoying.

Any plans to update this for Warlords? Perhaps using some of the new traits and creating a unique building?

In my mod it's available for warlords, but without ub.

Good Afternoon. I hunted for this topic. And someone helped for me. :king:

http://www.eliznik.org.uk/RomaniaHistory/minority-hungarians.htm

would be interesting if you could make this mod Warlords compatible...I mean, with a unique building and modified leader traits.

Magyarok, csillapodjatok le! Nem kell minden egyes uj web-oldalért amit találtok egy nagyot kurjantani a forumon!

would be interesting if you could make this mod Warlords compatible...I mean, with a unique building and modified leader traits.

Magyarok, csillapodjatok le! Nem kell minden egyes uj web-oldalért amit találtok egy nagyot kurjantani a forumon!

:p

Jól van jól van csak az öröm teszi :D

Hi!

I am new in this forum, so allow me to introduce me first. I am living in Germany, but my father is an Hungarian. In fact I have the citizenship of booth countries and I have still connections to Hungary. I was always interested in hungarian history and I can speak hungarian (I do understand what is written here, but my abilities of writing in hungarian is... lets say "untrained"). I was really happy when I found out that there is a mod that allows me to play Civ 4 as Hungary. So that's about me.

Now some things that is maybe more of interest for you. I have done a little work on anima croatorums mod and have solved the problem with this anoying messages (yeah, alright, it was not that difficult). If somebody cares and anima croatorum agrees I could post it. I have also added the parliament as a world wonder, even with civilopedia entry (in hungarian, I took it from wikipedia). I have also post a request for animated leaderheads for this mod in the forum. I hope somebody will answer me.

Last but not least: A small tip. Going to Germany for living here is not a good idea for an Hungarian, I think. There's no Túrórudi available here! Sometimes life is pretty hard here...:cry:

Hi!

I am new in this forum, so allow me to introduce me first. I am living in Germany, but my father is an Hungarian. In fact I have the citizenship of booth countries and I have still connections to Hungary. I was always interested in hungarian history and I can speak hungarian (I do understand what is written here, but my abilities of writing in hungarian is... lets say "untrained"). I was really happy when I found out that there is a mod that allows me to play Civ 4 as Hungary. So that's about me.

Now some things that is maybe more of interest for you. I have done a little work on anima croatorums mod and have solved the problem with this anoying messages (yeah, alright, it was not that difficult). If somebody cares and anima croatorum agrees I could post it. I have also added the parliament as a world wonder, even with civilopedia entry (in hungarian, I took it from wikipedia). I have also post a request for animated leaderheads for this mod in the forum. I hope somebody will answer me.

Last but not least: A small tip. Going to Germany for living here is not a good idea for an Hungarian, I think. There's no Túrórudi available here! Sometimes life is pretty hard here...:cry:
Hehe, I'm not Hungarian but I'm interested in Hungary and Hungarian history. I tried learning it but didn't get past the hundreds of exceptions and rules about the verb "to be.":lol:

Anyway, I would love to see the Hungarian modification; Anima Croatorum's link to the mod has expired, and I have always wanted to download/use the mod. It'd be great if you had it!

Also, judging from the size of these forums, I'm sure someone will answer your call for moving leaderheads.

Hey!

I would post the mod here gladly. But I have doubts to do this without Animas agreement. This mod is still his work, not mine. And charly1977's who has designed the model of the parliament, although I have done something against the ugly green surfaces… By the way: here’s a link to a preview of the model:


http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=190131 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=190131)

Another problem for you when playing the mod could be, that I have used an Hungarian version of it when making it fully v1.61 compatible. This means: the interface should be still in English (this means buttons and the menu’s language for example), but names of units and buildings and entries in the civilopedia (so all of the informative texts) are Hungarian. Or German, if you want. I don’t know what’s with French and Italian. I think I could translate it back for you, because I have also an English version of this mod and I only have to change some files and updating them a bit. But I would need some time and this is a critical factor for me at this time… Maybe during Easter. But there’s still the problem with Animas agreement. Without that I would feel like a thief.

Finally Anima Croatorum gave me his okay to upload the file. He is sorry that he has no time for this at the moment.

Here are the links:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/113482/Magyar_105.zip
(this is the main file of the mod, update for v1.61 of civ4 by using the hungarian version of the mod)

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/113482/Magyar_105_engl_languagefile.zip
(this is the english language file, only needed when playing the game with ENGLISH building and unit names, german, french, italian and spanish players won't need it).

This mod includes the hungarian parliament as world wonder (model made by charly1977, button by chamaedrys). I know there is a mod that includes nearly the same funcionallity like this one, but I like to play the game as it is but with Hungary as playable civ. BTW: the parliaments model has been updated a bit. If you are still unsatisfied with it, feel free to post in the thread inside the graphics modifications forum (threads name is Ungarisches Parlament / Hungarian parliament I think). But please be polite to charly1977, he was very patient with me and did a lot of work (thank you charly) ;) . Maybe there is somebody from Budapest out there that could compare the model with the original building.

With this we catch up a bit with our slovak rivals :p ! I think on updating this for warlords as well. That means: if there is no one faster than me, i will try it (and I think it will be successful) in august. Sorry, but I will not have enough time earlier than that. At the moment I have no ideas what could be a unique building for Hungary. Thought on thinks like telephone central (because of Mr. Tivadar Puskás) or something related with nuclear power (because of Mr. Leó Szillard and Ede Teller). Maybe a Túrórudi-Fab :lol: ??? But these ideas doesn't seem to be perfect... Feel free to make suggestions. Some animated leaderheads would also be cool.

Sory, that was a long text. Have fun with the mod!

I made a hungarian and a german entry for the civilopedia for the hungarian parliament. I have only copied it from wikipedia and shortened it a bit. Maybe someone could do this for me for spanish, french, italian and english, too. At the moment the text of Versailles appears instead. In french, spanish and italian also the name appears as "Versailles" (english should be alright). This is because I copied the xml-entries of Versailles. If anybody could simply translate this, I would be very happy. If somebody is unhappy with the parliaments properties: post it. We can discuss it.

Thank you for this mod. I didn't think to I find a Hungarian mod! Cool!

In one of the files I found that the mod is not for multiplayer games. But when I load it, it seems like I could start such a game. Unfortunatly I can not try it out, playing against my own is not very funny. So I don't know how stable that game would be. I actually didn't try to start a multiplayer game with magyar mod. Is there anybody who has expierences with this? If it desn't work, I could fix that perhaps. I found a tutorial for this so I could solve this in summer when I have more time.

BTW: any problems with the mod? Suggestions for making it better? Suggestions for an unique building for a warlords edition?

Seems to me that I am talking with myself here, no problem... After the latest post in the romanian civ forum I recognized that they are not as fair as we have been here when creating the citylist for the mod. I don't want to destroy Animas work. I know his opinion about the cities and the leaders. I agree with him to don't use Horthy as a leader. But I partially disagree what he said about the citylist. If wanted I will include cities that are outside Hungary today with one condition: the city has to be populated mosly by Hungarians. Send me the cities name and a prove for the condition and it will be part of the next version.

cool3a2, you are not talking to yourself. I am sure, like me, many occasionally check in to see what's going on.

The 1.61 mod is great and quite frankly, not having each translation is no big deal. I am VERY anxious to see the Warlords mod, if you get to it. My suggestion is to make the Hungarian Parliment the unique building since it is already there offers a nice benefit. Absent that my strong suggestion would be a mathematics institute to replace the university and have it offer additional research.

But you are not alone on this forum...

Good to know that I am not alone. Thank you for your suggestions. A mathematics institute is something I didn't think about that, but sounds interesting. If we think on János (John) Neumann this would fit (although he became famous because of his ideas in computer siences he was a mathematician I think). I didn't play Warlords, so excuse me if I say something wrong, but a unique building is somehing only one civilization can build, but several times. In this case the parliament would not be a good unique building. That was also my first idea. It would also be possible to add medicinal / thermal baths. It could improve health and moral. Such a bath could be represented by the Széchenyi bath, but I would have to make a request in the graphics modifications section of civfanatics.com.

In about 2 months I will start to update the mod. Until that we have time to discuss what the unique building will be. I would be happy if others would give their suggestions and opinion, too. By the way: bernie14 made a hungarian hussar model for me. Looks really good and it will be in the next versions of the mod. I plan also to include more city names to make the mod an ethnical hungarian mod. I thought of:
Kolozsvár (today: Cluj Napoca),
Nagyvárad (Oradea),
Kézdivásárhely (I don't care...),
Csíkszereda (...),
and Arad (I am not sure if I will take it, it was founded in the 13th century when the region belonged to Hungary, but I don't know by who [saxons, hungarians or romanians] and I couldn't find statistics that tell me which culture lived there mainly)

So that's all for the moment. Thank you for reading this.

i'm an american but i think if you are going to make a hungarian civ, you should model the city list after the apex of its power, not modern ethnic breakdown. The Roman civ gets Byzantium, Seleucia, and other non-ethnically Roman cities that mark the apex of their empire. Why should the "Hungarian empire" (which like the Roman empire, doesn't exist today) be limited by events that mark its decline?

Don't forget to include Pozsony and Kassa.

I do agree with cotdamn that the names of cities should not be confined to present day (or "modern") borders...go crazy.

Good point about the Hungarian Parliment being a unique building...I had not thought it through. I think the spas are an unique idea, but, as an ethic Hungarian, the thing I am most proud of Hungarian history (next to keeping the Muslims from overrunning Europe) is its contribution to the sciences. Considering Hungary's size; it's contribution is extraordinary.

(Even France picked a Hungarian to clean up its act! :))

Thank you all for giving your suggestions and opinions. Finally this forum is alive again. :goodjob:

@cotdamn: I understand your point of view. These cities were under high influence of Hungary. But the problem is: in this case you could take for example Paris in a german city list as well because for some years during the WWII it officially belonged to the German Reich. But Paris hasn't to do anything with Germany and I think some French would not be happy about this... Sure, to take Kassa or Pozsony in a hungarian city list is something different, they belonged to Hungary for hundreds of years. AFAIK Pozsony was also the city where hungarian kings got crowned and the capital for a time (so it was important). BTW: did you know there is a layer cake called "Kassai szelet"? Nethertheless these cities are and were slovak. My intention in including cities that are now out