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srdjann

Nov 27, 2005, 06:24 PM

Yugoslav mod ver 1.1 (http://rapidshare.de/files/26598566/Yug11.zip.html) by srdjann & Anima Croatorum

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Starting technologies:
Agriculture & Mining

Leaders:
Marshal Josip Broz Tito – Aggressive & Industrious
President Josip Broz Tito – Creative & Organized

Unique Unit:
Partisan (Infantry)
Strenght 18 (instead of Infantry's 20)
+25% vs. gunpowder units (same as Infantry)
1 First strike
Ambush promotion (+25% vs. armored units)
Woodsman promotion (+20% defense in forest & jungle)

Installation Instructions:
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Just UnZip Yug11.zip into :Program Files\Firaxis Games\Sid Meier's Civilization 4\Mods folder

IMPORTANT! IF YOU DO NOT SEE YUGOSLAV FLAG DURING THE GAME AND YOU ONLY SEE CLEAR WHITE FLAG RUN FLAGPATCH.EXE FROM MODS\YUGOSLAVIA FOLDER AND PRESS UNZIP!

Any comments, critics, proposals, suggestions, greetings & the rest please send to schef76@yahoo.co.uk

Change log:
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1.1
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- Added unique order & select sounds for Yugoslav units

- Music files reduced from 96 to 64kbps

1.04 (can be found on http://www.filegone.com/6qic)
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- Changed leaders attributes, now President and Marshal will act differently if you play against them

- Added unique music which appears on diplomacy and city screen (diplomacy screen when playing against Yugoslavian empire and city screen when playing as Yugoslavian empire) and support for future unique orders & select sounds (for know mod uses english orders & select sounds)

- Optimized yugoslav button file

- Fixed some entries in CIV4GameTextInfos_Objects.xml file as well as connected entries in CIV4CivilizationInfos.xml and CIV4LeaderHeadInfos.xml.

1.03 (can be found on http://www.filegone.com/tapu)
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- fixed look for Partisan button, Yugoslav civ button and both Tito's buttons. Now they look like other buttons since they don't have outline anymore which made them different.

- fixed pink circle which appeared instead of button picture of unit when you select Partisan during the game and then scroll of the screen. Now there is Partisan button picture like other units have.

- Added two files into parrent folder - FlagPatch.exe and FlagUnPatch.exe. IMPORTANT! IF YOU DO NOT SEE YUGOSLAV FLAG DURING THE GAME AND YOU ONLY SEE CLEAR WHITE FLAG RUN FLAGPATCH.EXE FROM MODS\YUGOSLAVIA FOLDER AND PRESS UNZIP! File FlagUnPatch.exe returns the flag to the original.

*Note: While playing and testing first versions of this mod (and actually this applyes to all mods with multicolor flags) we noticed that (nobody knows why) there are two groups of PC's. The first group will accept ONLY flagDECAL files with White Alpha Channel and second group will accept ONLY flagDECAL files with Black Alpha Channel. Therefore I had to take one of those two flagDECAL files as primary (and that's the one with White Alpha Channel) and the other one (with Black Alpha Channel) you can get by starting FlagPatch.exe file from Mods\Yugoslavia folder (and pressing Unzip).

1.02 (can be found on http://www.filegone.com/0e43)
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- Josip Broz Tito divided into two leaders – one "early" warleader from WWII (Marshal) and another one "late" President of Socialist Federative Republic of Yugoslavia. Original attributes also divided: Industrious went to Marshal and Organized went to President

- Button for Partisan changed

- Partisan attributes changed (original: Strenght 22, +25% vs. gunpowder units, 1 First strike)

- Team color (FlagDECAL file) renewed. Backup copy of renewed flag (FlagDECAL_Yugoslav_backup.dds), old flag (FlagDECAL_Yugoslavia_old.dds) and experimental flag (FlagDECAL_Yugoslavia_new.dds) also included (\Yugoslavia\Assets\art\Interface\TeamColor). INSTRUCTIONS: Copy desired flagdecal file into FlagDECAL_Yugoslavia.dds file which is active file for Yugoslavia mod

1.01 (can be found on http://www.filegone.com/9arm)
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- Partisan skin changed

- Updated civilopedia text for Yugoslavia

- Fixed link for civilopedia text for Partisan

- Added civilopedia text for Josip Broz Tito

1.00 (can be found on http://www.ptt.yu/korisnici/s/r/srdjann/yug100.zip)
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Starting technologies:
Agriculture & Mining

Leader:
Josip Broz Tito – Organized & Industrious

Unique Unit:
Partisan (Infantry)
Strenght 22 (instead of Infantry's 20)
+25% vs. gunpowder units (same as Infantry)
1 First strike

City Names:
BEOGRAD
ZAGREB
SARAJEVO
LJUBLJANA
SKOPJE
TITOGRAD
NOVI SAD
PRISTINA
SPLIT
BANJA LUKA
NIS
MARIBOR
BITOLA
NIKSIC
SUBOTICA
TITOVA MITROVICA
KRAGUJEVAC
RIJEKA
TUZLA
KRANJ
ZRENJANIN
PEC
KUMANOVO
BAR
SABAC
OSIJEK
MOSTAR
CELJE
PRIZREN
PANCEVO
TITOV VELES
ULCINJ
LESKOVAC
KARLOVAC
ZENICA
SOMBOR
CACAK
PULA
BIHAC
SREMSKA MITROVICA
SMEDEREVO
DUBROVNIK
BRCKO
POZAREVAC
SIBENIK
VALJEVO
ZADAR
KRUSEVAC
SLAVONSKI BROD
TITOVO UZICE
VARAZDIN
KRALJEVO
SISAK

http://www.ptt.yu/korisnici/s/r/srdjann/yug.jpg
*NOTE: Screenshot is from 1.01 version, Partisan attributes are changed from 1.02 version

Enjoy & suggest! Everything is more then welcome! :)

Pooks

Nov 27, 2005, 07:37 PM

U know what.. I like the idea..

Probbably goes against, what you are tying to feel and do in this one.. but mayb e lose the STAR on the flag.. the star is basically just a representation of Communism... but having the BLUE WHITE RED. without the star could give it more neutral feel..

JUGOSLAVIA name is kinda stale and worn out cause it has such a fabricated feel to it, .. I wish we could figure out a Better name for the Slavs that Live in the Balkan/Southeastern europe area.

VetLegion

Nov 27, 2005, 11:26 PM

The star is essential.

Srdjann, did you put in Tito's portrait?

Anima Croatorum

Nov 28, 2005, 01:44 AM

TITO PARTIJA! :lol:

A very nice start.

A couple of suggestions:

How bout making Tito Aggressive and Industrious. Yugoslavia wasnt known for its minimal corruption, but it had a decent military and the epic myths of partisan exploits in WWII. And since Aggressive is actually Militaristic, it would fit.

Whats Tito's favorite civic? State Property?

About the Partisans. I personally wouldn't increase base strength, but I'd give them the Ambush promotion. Just remember those stories of partisans rushing tanks with blankets. :D

And finally, how bout modding the skin to something more brownolivegreenish? More partisanlike. These boys are dressed up for El Amein, not Neretva and Sutjeska.

And the star, keep it, there was no unity before it was put on the flag.

Mr_V

Nov 28, 2005, 01:50 AM

Good stuff! And the star should definitely stay!

How about a special tech: "Pioneers" - once discovered adds one extra culture per city :)

srdjann

Nov 28, 2005, 02:59 AM

Tito's portrait is inside, of course! :)

I was thinking about putting an aggressive instead of organized but I thought that it may not be very well accepted ;) So, now when you suggested it as well I'm pretty sure that I'll change that (but I will not rush yet) but then I'll have to reconsider mining as a starting tech (because it leeds to Bronze Working and with Aggressive it may just be too easy to play since no one would mess with you early in the game)

Yap, Tito's favourite civic is State Property. How did you guess that? ;)

About Partisans - I thought also about that promotion (honesty :)) but since I rushed to finish this 1.00 version I didn't spend so much thinking about it. So since I plan to make this mod as a group work I figured it out that this promotions (and increased strenght) are not final and that a discussion will model it's final result. So, with this ambush promotion I was thinking about +20% defense in woods and jungle, mavbe this would be more realistic?

Speaking of this, can anyone tell me what acctual change did I make when I changed Infantry's "Defending" into Partisan's "Counter"?

I'm pretty unexperienced with this (I have never make eny mod for any game :)) so I'll need a lot of help. First of I noticed that Civilopedia text about Partisans is not appearing even though I put it into Assets\xml\text\CIV4GameText_Civilopedia_Units.xml in format like other units are?

Also, speaking about making a Partisan skin much more brownolivegreen is "Spanish village" for me ;) so if anyone knows how to do it he/she is more then welcome to do it! :) Maximum which I could do is to make different thumb for Partisans, and I'm not even sure that it looks ok ;)

Special techs are also out of my range, I didn't even know that such thing is available in the game! :)

And at the end for this first response - the star will definitelly stay. It is the essence of this mod together with Josip Broz Tito and I don't know why should we be afraid of Communism - Communism is even a tech in the game! :)

Mr_V

Nov 28, 2005, 04:03 AM

How 'bout putting "Otpisani" as an alternative UU? :mischief:

Anima Croatorum

Nov 28, 2005, 06:35 AM

Shqype

Nov 28, 2005, 06:56 AM

lol , is anyone ever going to build enough cities to get to Dubrovnik?

I wonder how the other countries that were under Yugoslavia feel about this (ie. Slovenia).... Yugoslavia never was a civilization , just a union of Slavic states (with Albanians).

This would definitely be useful in a WWII mod, however.

Anima Croatorum

Nov 28, 2005, 07:29 AM

I wonder how the other countries that were under Yugoslavia feel about this (ie. Slovenia).... Yugoslavia never was a civilization , just a union of Slavic states (with Albanians).

Yugoslavia was a lifetime ago. Gone with the wind. Nobody cares anymore.

srdjann

Nov 28, 2005, 07:33 AM

Well, I took a look at the pedia and stuff, fixed some links, added some info, check it out and mod it anyway you wish.

Also, the partisans have a new skin. Partisan pilum mutat, non mentem.

Link (http://www.filegone.com/c0b7)

Download it and mod away!

Great! :)

Two links were wrong (instead of partisan\infantry you left infantry\infantry) so I changed it and pronounced it as 1.01 version! :) Here is the link (http://www.filegone.com/9arm) and I'll change the first post as well!

You are now included as a co-author but I would like to make just one rule – anyone can be a part of making this mod (and co-author of course ;)) but I'll release new versions so that we avoid confusion. Ok? :)

PS. It's very good that you changed that civilopedia txt about Yugoslavia (and added for Tito :)), it's better that 2nd Yugoslavia takes much of the space since it was the only real Yugoslavia! :)

Anima Croatorum

Nov 28, 2005, 07:39 AM

Great! :)

Two links were wrong (instead of partisan\infantry you left infantry\infantry) so I changed it and pronounced it as 1.01 version! :) Here is the link (http://www.filegone.com/9arm) and I'll change the first post as well!

You are now included as a co-author but I would like to make just one rule – anyone can be a part of making this mod (and co-author of course ;)) but I'll release new versions so that we avoid confusion. Ok? :)

PS. It's very good that you changed that civilopedia txt about Yugoslavia (and added for Tito :)), it's better that 2nd Yugoslavia takes much of the space since it was the only real Yugoslavia! :)

Thanks for the credits. I had a bit trouble with those Civ entries, the ones I made first caused errors(too big for Civ4 to handle) so I had to shorten them a bit. Its wikipedia material, just some paragraphs are deleted to fit size limitations.

How do you like my partisan? That star on the helmet was a b*tch to get the location right.

srdjann

Nov 28, 2005, 07:52 AM

Thanks for the credits. I had a bit trouble with those Civ entries, the ones I made first caused errors(too big for Civ4 to handle) so I had to shorten them a bit. Its wikipedia material, just some paragraphs are deleted to fit size limitations.

How do you like my partisan? That star on the helmet was a b*tch to get the location right.

It looks nice :) but there is always place to improve ;)

A friend from b92.net forum will try to make a Partisan to look like Prle from Otpisani ;) event though it now looks pretty much like Prle :D

I'll play this mod for a couple of days and then we'll see about those changes concernig leaders and uu atributes! :)

So, everybody - enjoy! :)

VetLegion

Nov 28, 2005, 11:06 AM

Good work.

I bet he would be happy:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=105543&stc=1&d=1133201114

:D

Pooks

Nov 28, 2005, 11:24 AM

15 years ago, i was a Partizan LOL,, everyone in the class got to march and sing and everything,, proud i was.. than it all went out the window lol
i wish i still my little blue hat with the star on it.
But it got used and abused playing war, than just disapeared like most of my toys

THIS WOUDL NOT BE HISTORICAL AT ALL.. but maybe would be fun to have in the game..
edit a unit,.. into a little kid partizan.. cheap to build.. doesnt have much punch to them.. but could be used in emergencies to guard the cities LOL.. with the blue hat, white shirt, and blue pants lol

VetLegion

Nov 28, 2005, 11:47 AM

You mean youwere a Pionir - Pošten, Iskren, Odan, Nesebičan, ..., Radišan ;)

shr00mz

Nov 28, 2005, 04:50 PM

great idea i belive
and i like to see my little town of kranj built faster than lots of others hehe
who would ofthought hehe
and btw i would too give partisans less power than infantry while they were guerilla and add some sort of ambush or woods bonus. throwing a blanket on tank hehe oh the bravery :D plus they would be either eays to build or caused no unhappines if drafted or something like that

anyway i like it and soon as i buy a new graphic card and install my newley bouhgt game ill give it a shoot
it would be good to play too as a scenario in ww2 or something
thoug game but worth to try
and yes yugoslav star withoud the flag? its not oly the simbol of communisem it represents the unity of nations under the idea of it thoug (but true there is no unity now is there) so i belive it should stay.

shr00mz

Nov 28, 2005, 04:55 PM

Pooks

Nov 28, 2005, 08:48 PM

You mean youwere a Pionir - Pošten, Iskren, Odan, Nesebičan, ..., Radišan ;)

LMAO yah thats it.. Little Pionirs defending the city..
LOL It woud really be sad, when u have to use kidz to defend the city from being run over.. I bet alot civ'r would actually shed tears,. as that happens

Mr_V

Nov 29, 2005, 05:42 AM

Remember what day it is today? :)

"... zatvaraj prozore ne radi grijanje..."

Anima Croatorum

Nov 29, 2005, 05:44 AM

It is surely a dark day for pigs all across northern Croatia and Vojvodina.

CorSaiR

Nov 29, 2005, 12:09 PM

Great mod!!!:goodjob: :worship: :goodjob:
But my game does not display the flag; there is just blank white space:cry: .
Any suggestions how to fix this?

Mr_V

Nov 29, 2005, 04:08 PM

Hmmm, I had that problem with mod "Serbia", that I solved by downloading later-updated flag DDS file by Lankou, and editing the XML to include it.

However, for "Yugoslavia" mod, the flag worked just fine for me :confused:

srdjann

Nov 30, 2005, 02:05 AM

lol , is anyone ever going to build enough cities to get to Dubrovnik?

Well, if you choose Huge with just two civs anything is possible ;)

I wonder how the other countries that were under Yugoslavia feel about this (ie. Slovenia).... Yugoslavia never was a civilization , just a union of Slavic states (with Albanians).

I wouldn't say that the were under Yugoslavia. They were part of Yugoslavia.

And if you say that Yugoslavia never was a civilization you should say that for America too.

This would definitely be useful in a WWII mod, however.

Yap! :) Anybody willing to make one? :)

WWII in ex-Yugoslavia! :) Partisans as good guys against everybody else ;) - Germans, Italians, Chetnics, Ustashas... :lol:

srdjann

Nov 30, 2005, 02:07 AM

Good work.

I bet he would be happy:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=105543&stc=1&d=1133201114

:D

:D

Maybe I could change that partisan button and place Bata instead? :lol:

srdjann

Nov 30, 2005, 02:32 AM

and i like to see my little town of kranj built faster than lots of others hehe
who would ofthought hehe

Well, I had to stick to the key - successive naming the cities from all Republics and Autonomuos provinces. At the end of course I ran out of cities ;) so the only one remaining Republics were Serbia and Croatia... :)

and btw i would too give partisans less power than infantry while they were guerilla and add some sort of ambush or woods bonus.

Well, during the testing of this mod I concluded that +-2 doesn't mean much late in the game (for an example - in the beginning that would be 0.2 - almost totally irrelevant) so I decided to get that back to 20 in next version.

1 first strike will surely stay, and I think that I'll give them 1 extra promotion, like Woodsman 1 or Ambush. I'm still thinking about first one because late in the game there are not so many forests and jungle so it could be pretty useless (even though it would be more realistic ;)) and on the other hand Ambush promotion could make them too powerfull (with 1 first strike especially, so if I give them Ambush I'll lower their strenght to 18 for sure)... I'm still thinking (your suggestions are very welcome :)) but now I'm closest to the combination 20, 1 first strike, Woodsman 1 or 18, 1 first strike, Woodsman 1, Ambush or maybe 18, 1 first strike, Guerilla, Ambush (this would be much usefull but maybe too powerfull? :))

What do you (all) think?

srdjann

Nov 30, 2005, 02:37 AM

It is surely a dark day for pigs all across northern Croatia and Vojvodina.

Even thogh I disslike that slaughter of animals (I'm vegetarian) I totally respect 29th of November because in civilizational sense on 29th of November in 1945 Yugoslavia made one great step. We turned from monarchy to republic (every Civ1-3 player knows how much important that is ;)), women were (formaly) made equal with men, helath care and education systems were reachable to everybody...

That's why I feel very good on 29th of November :) and feel it like a real holiday (unfortunately it's not official anymore in Serbia and Montenegro :()

srdjann

Nov 30, 2005, 02:39 AM

Great mod!!!:goodjob: :worship: :goodjob:
But my game does not display the flag; there is just blank white space:cry: .
Any suggestions how to fix this?

I don't know, I experienced the same problem with some mods (Turks for an example)...

Maybe I'll include one or two more flags in future versions (with instruction how to change them) and that could lower the chance that such problem repeats...

Anima Croatorum

Nov 30, 2005, 07:39 AM

Arecibogk

Nov 30, 2005, 07:44 AM

tifusari as the UU??
preko vode do slobode?
mirko i slavko as great artists?
mujo i haso as great entertainers?

srdjann

Nov 30, 2005, 08:35 AM

tifusari as the UU??
preko vode do slobode?
mirko i slavko as great artists?
mujo i haso as great entertainers?

:lol: :goodjob:

LAnkou

Nov 30, 2005, 09:00 AM

I never figured out how to make a multi-color flagdecal that works. Its all about layers, but... why wont it work? why? In the end i made bi-color flagdecal (white and player color). Check the one in my Magyar mod, or the one LAnkou made for my Croatia mod.

well, decalc can't be multi-colored...

in a decalc you have two layers: the one of your primari color and the one of your secondary color

if you want multi-colored, you need to make the whole flag with an alpha channel black. Then, in the artcivilisations xml files, put whiteflag on 1 instead of 0

HIH

Mr_V

Nov 30, 2005, 12:45 PM

Hmmm, I downloaded the 1.01 mod and now I suffer the same problem - the flag doesn't exist any more it is just - white. Looks like a potkoshulja hung out to dry :)

I checked the DDS file path, and it is correctly referenced in the XML file. Any ideas, anyone?

srdjann

Nov 30, 2005, 05:57 PM

Hmmm, I'm not sure what is happening because in my 1.01 version flag is just like it has to be (for sceptics ;) - read the first post and you'll see screenshot with new partisan skin and with the flag which means that it works with me)

The changes that were made from 1.00 to 1.01 didn't involve the flag. File FlagDECAL_Yugoslavia.dds is same in both versions (made on 28th of November in 1:07AM) and I checked CIV4ArtDefines_Civilization.xml file where WhiteFlag value is 1 (like LAnkou said it has to be - <bWhiteFlag>1</bWhiteFlag> if you want multicolor flag)

Anyway, I am planning to release 1.02 version soon and until that here is link ( http://www.ptt.yu/korisnici/s/r/srdjann/yug100.zip) to 1.00 version for those of you who can't wait (because maybe even then the flag will not work for unknown reasons and it did work with 1.00 version)

srdjann

Nov 30, 2005, 06:24 PM

Maybe it's something again on the relation game-patch-grafic card? Can all of you who can not see the flag please tell me which grafic card you have? On my GeForce2 mx 400 (with 64Mb) it works just fine (even though the game said that it is below minimum requirements), maybe it's ATI again... ;)

CorSaiR

Dec 01, 2005, 02:33 AM

It is not ATI again :) , I have geforce 6600gt 128mb with the latest drivers.

srdjann

Dec 01, 2005, 03:30 AM

Yugoslav mod ver 1.02 (http://www.filegone.com/0e43) by srdjann & Anima Croatorum

Starting technologies:
Agriculture & Mining

Leaders:
Marshal Josip Broz Tito – Aggressive & Industrious
President Josip Broz Tito – Creative & Organized

Unique Unit:
Partisan (Infantry)
Strenght 18 (instead of Infantry's 20)
+25% vs. gunpowder units (same as Infantry)
1 First strike
Ambush promotion (+25% vs. armored units)
Woodsman promotion (+20% defense in forest & jungle)

What's new?

- Josip Broz Tito divided into two leaders – one "early" warleader from WWII (Marshal) and another one "late" President of Socialist Federative Republic of Yugoslavia. Original attributes also divided: Industrious went to Marshal and Organized went to President

- Button for Partisan changed

- Partisan attributes changed (original: Strenght 22, +25% vs. gunpowder units, 1 First strike)

- Team color (FlagDECAL file) renewed. Backup copy of renewed flag (FlagDECAL_Yugoslav_backup.dds), old flag (FlagDECAL_Yugoslavia_old.dds) and experimental flag (FlagDECAL_Yugoslavia_new.dds) also included (\Yugoslavia\Assets\art\Interface\TeamColor). INSTRUCTIONS: Copy desired flagdecal file into FlagDECAL_Yugoslavia.dds file which is active file for Yugoslavia mod

CorSaiR

Dec 01, 2005, 06:39 AM

- Team color (FlagDECAL file) renewed. Backup copy of renewed flag (FlagDECAL_Yugoslav_backup.dds), old flag (FlagDECAL_Yugoslavia_old.dds) and experimental flag (FlagDECAL_Yugoslavia_new.dds) also included (\Yugoslavia\Assets\art\Interface\TeamColor). INSTRUCTIONS: Copy desired flagdecal file into FlagDECAL_Yugoslavia.dds file which is active file for Yugoslavia mod

...and again I cannot see the flag :twitch:.

Mr_V

Dec 01, 2005, 08:35 AM

Tried 1.00? That one worked fine for me.

srdjann

Dec 01, 2005, 09:37 AM

...and again I cannot see the flag :twitch:.

OK, then maybe we should try this.

Please find any mod which works normal for you (Mr_V do the same if not's a problem :)) find FlagDECAL.dds file of that mod and send it to me (schef76@yahoo.co.uk). Please find mod with multicolor flag, not bicolor!!! I'll try to modify that one into Yugoslav flag, I'll send it back to you and then you'll let me know if it works.

Ok?

Mr_V

Dec 01, 2005, 12:36 PM

Downloaded 1.00, 1.01 and 1.02 - none work any more :cry: I don't even have the one that worked any moooooreeee :sad:

Mr_V

Dec 01, 2005, 12:56 PM

srdjann

Dec 01, 2005, 02:27 PM

Hah! I am getting somewhere... barely...

Remember how I said that flags in Velja's Serbia mod also wouldn't work for me? Neither the blue one with foour letters "C", or the Serbian tricolor with the coat of arms.

Until Lankou did "something" to them and re-posted the file here:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=3340746&postcount=16

ONLY that one worked for "Serbia". And now, I put it in the Yugoslav mod teamcolor folder and changed the XML accordingly - and YES - I get a flag for Yugoslav mod. Serbian, mind you.

I don't know what Lankou did there - but both Velja's DDS files and four (!) Srđann's files don't work just for me and possibly few other guys, but for majority, they're OK. Bizarre.

Srđanne, can you download that Lankou's file I posted above (be careful, it is not a zip, just rename the zip to dds) and pls try to see - is there anything about Lankou's file format or config that is different to your flags?

Flag is the most important part of the mod, dammit! :)

Great! I think I found the soulution :)

When I converted dds file into psd (instead of jpg) I found that Alpha 1 layer which LAnkou talked about and turned it from white to black :)

It should work now, for all of you who downloaded 1.02 version here (http://www.filegone.com/lomy) you can download correct FlagDECAL_Yugoslavia.dds file, and in couple of minutes I'll change 1.02 zip file, upload it again and change links above. :)

And don't forget to let me know the results of this new file! ;)

EDIT: Here (http://www.filegone.com/0e43) you can download complete 1.02 version (with correct flags) and here (http://www.filegone.com/c18r) you can download new experimental flag (which have to be renamed to FlagDECAL_Yugoslavia.dds if you want it to work)

Looking forward to see the impressions! ;)

Mr_V

Dec 01, 2005, 02:46 PM

Yes yes yes :) :) :) Please let it be so...

Can you just give us a shout here when it's uploaded, pls?

BTW, ZVEZDA just beat Roma 3-1 :D

Mr_V

Dec 01, 2005, 02:55 PM

srdjann

Dec 01, 2005, 02:56 PM

Yes yes yes :) :) :) Please let it be so...

Can you just give us a shout here when it's uploaded, pls?

BTW, ZVEZDA just beat Roma 3-1 :D

It's done - uploaded, you can find link in my (edited) post above or in the first post in the topic! :)

Congratulations for winning vs. Roma (I'm Partizan fan... ;)) You know, Partizan have always been Yugoslav and Red Star Serbian Football club, so... ;)

srdjann

Dec 01, 2005, 03:01 PM

I just downloaded it and...

... yeah baby it works!!! :D

Srki, thanks until sky! :)

Just before I forget - I want to be able to do this myself, since I am downloading Lankou's SuperCiv patch. So... what do I need to do if I come across any flags that show as white?

I have Adobe Photoshop CS2, and DDS Converter 2.

I gather from what you wrote that I should...
1. Open the dodgy DDS flag file in DDS Converter and convert it to PSD
2. Open that PSD in Photoshop
3. Find some "Alpha Layer 1" somewhere in it, and if white, change it to black & save
4. In DDS Converter, convert the updated PSD to DDS
5. Shove it in the mod folder and that's it?

Am I correct?

Yap, but actually it's Channels not Layers... My mistake :)

I suggest that if you do such thing together with flag that doesn't work you open one which works and take exact black color that's in working flag.

PS. You can find Channels on one window in Photoshop (together with Layers and Paths) and inside it you can find 5 channels - RGB, Red, Green, Blue and Alpha 1 (which is the one we are looking for ;))

So, happy civing! :)

Anima Croatorum

Dec 01, 2005, 03:04 PM

Anyone tried to mess with the space-time continuum? Like playing young Tito vs. old Tito, or vice versa. Or how bout teaming up young Tito and old Tito against the world. Earth would shake.

Mr_V

Dec 01, 2005, 03:08 PM

Yap, but actually it's Channels not Layers... My mistake :)

I suggest that if you do such thing together with flag that doesn't work you open one which works and take exact black color that's in working flag.

PS. You can find Channels on one window in Photoshop (together with Layers and Paths) and inside it you can find 5 channels - RGB, Red, Green, Blue and Alpha 1 (which is the one we are looking for ;))

So, happy civing! :)

Waay ahead of you :D I already fixed one of Velja's flags. The problem was that Alpha Channel 1 was all black, but the cross and 4 "C" letters were white. I made it all black, converted it back to DDS, and it works :cool:

srdjann

Dec 01, 2005, 03:33 PM

Unbeleavable! Now this new flag (with black instead of white Alpha 1 Channel) is not working with me! :D

OK guys & girls, in your \Yugoslavia\Assets\art\Interface\TeamColor folder you have two files:

FlagDECAL_Yugoslavia.dds
and
FlagDECAL_Yugoslavia_old.dds

One will surely work, but you'll just have to try which one is it... The only one important thing to know is that the name of the first file is the active one.

And for 1.03 version I'll try to figure out how can we solve this problem...

LAnkou

Dec 01, 2005, 03:38 PM

normally it's black version that works

i will wait 1.03 before adding yougoslavia mod if you don't mind (less work)

srdjann

Dec 01, 2005, 03:47 PM

Anyone tried to mess with the space-time continuum? Like playing young Tito vs. old Tito, or vice versa. Or how bout teaming up young Tito and old Tito against the world. Earth would shake.

Is it possible to have two same civilizations against each other???

For an example Roosewelt against Washington?

Anyway, does this mean that you don't like the idea of two Josip Brozs? :D

srdjann

Dec 01, 2005, 03:52 PM

normally it's black version that works

i will wait 1.03 before adding yougoslavia mod if you don't mind (less work)

Of course that I don't mind! :) There are some other things that have to be added/changed as well... ;)

But can you tell mw what's the catch about this black/white alpha channel weird thing? And do you have the idea how can we make solution of it, that is, how can we make just one dds file which will work with everybody?

Maybe it's something with the color file? Maybe I should put ColorVals and PlayerColorInfos files inside mod? Ha? :)

Anima Croatorum

Dec 02, 2005, 02:27 AM

Is it possible to have two same civilizations against each other???

For an example Roosewelt against Washington?

Yes it is. I'm pretty certain you can pit Roosewelt(the good one) against Roosewelt(the evil one) too. Right now I'm gonna add two more leaders to Hungary. It'll be interesting to watch five different Hungarians fight it out in a global civil war.

Anyway, does this mean that you don't like the idea of two Josip Brozs? :D

I like the idead. I'm a trekkie and this is like Endgame all over again. Tito and Janeway have the same right stuff. Now you only need an easter egg villain to provide them a challenge. Borg, Informbiro... resistance is futile, or not.

Manijak

Dec 03, 2005, 06:06 PM

Awsome job on the mod guys!

Someone mentioned "Pioniri" as a tech improvment, but how about Nikola Tesla? :)

player1 fanatic

Dec 04, 2005, 04:43 AM

Well, it's a SFRJ mod (the 2nd Yugoslavia with Tito), and Nikola Tesla died before its creation.

VetLegion

Dec 04, 2005, 06:35 AM

Tesla didn't die, he just teleported somewhere else ;)

Anima Croatorum

Dec 04, 2005, 10:14 AM

You can add him as great scientist, if he's not already present if you want. And while you're at it, add Lepa Brena too.

srdjann

Dec 04, 2005, 03:22 PM

Yugoslav mod ver 1.03 (http://www.filegone.com/tapu) by srdjann & Anima Croatorum

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Starting technologies:
Agriculture & Mining

Leaders:
Marshal Josip Broz Tito – Aggressive & Industrious
President Josip Broz Tito – Creative & Organized

Unique Unit:
Partisan (Infantry)
Strenght 18 (instead of Infantry's 20)
+25% vs. gunpowder units (same as Infantry)
1 First strike
Ambush promotion (+25% vs. armored units)
Woodsman promotion (+20% defense in forest & jungle)

Installation Instructions:
_________________________

Just UnZip Yug103.zip into :Program Files\Firaxis Games\Sid Meier's Civilization 4\Mods folder

IMPORTANT! IF YOU DO NOT SEE YUGOSLAV FLAG DURING THE GAME AND YOU ONLY SEE CLEAR WHITE FLAG RUN FLAGPATCH.EXE FROM MODS\YUGOSLAVIA FOLDER AND PRESS UNZIP!

Change log:
___________

1.03
____

- fixed look for Partisan button, Yugoslav civ button and both Tito's buttons. Now they look like other buttons since they don't have outline anymore which made them different.

- fixed pink circle which appeared instead of button picture of unit when you select Partisan during the game and then scroll of the screen. Now there is Partisan button picture like other units have.

- Added two files into parrent folder - FlagPatch.exe and FlagUnPatch.exe. IMPORTANT! IF YOU DO NOT SEE YUGOSLAV FLAG DURING THE GAME AND YOU ONLY SEE CLEAR WHITE FLAG RUN FLAGPATCH.EXE FROM MODS\YUGOSLAVIA FOLDER AND PRESS UNZIP! File FlagUnPatch.exe returns the flag to the original.

*Note: While playing and testing first versions of this mod (and actually this applyes to all mods with multicolor flags) we noticed that (nobody knows why) there are two groups of PC's. The first group will accept ONLY flagDECAL files with White Alpha Channel and second group will accept ONLY flagDECAL files with Black Alpha Channel. Therefore I had to take one of those two flagDECAL files as primary (and that's the one with White Alpha Channel) and the other one (with Black Alpha Channel) you can get by starting FlagPatch.exe file from Mods\Yugoslavia folder (and pressing Unzip).

LAnkou

Dec 04, 2005, 04:37 PM

srdjann

Dec 04, 2005, 06:06 PM

well, it seems good, but i don't understand...why two Josip Broz Tito? why don't you use a great political person (not necessarily a person who leads the country, a gandhi like person...) other than a second Tito?

Well, that's good question! ;)

The problem with this Yugoslavia mod (which covers only 2nd Yugoslavia) is that it covers only period from 1941st (when WWII started in Yugoslavia) to 1991st (when 2nd Yugoslavia fall apart) and Tito was a ruler for 39 out of this 50 years.

Besides him, after 1980th when Tito died there were couple of persons who could qualify as a leader - Milka Planinc (she was Prime minister in mid '80s) and Ante Markovic (he was Prime minister in the beginning of '90s when Yugoslavia fall apart) since they left some positive marks, but puting them in the same level as Tito would be nothing more then blasphemy! :D

Therefore, for now, I decided to leave two Josip Broz's ;) since his rule can be devided into two totally different parts - one in which he led yugoslav people to victory against nazis and domestic fascists (ustashas, chetnics...) and the second one in which he was soft dictator which tried to unite third world countries against two leading political blocks (led by USA and USSR).

By my oppinion it would be a lack of this mod not allowing players to play as Tito_The_War_Winner as well as Tito_The_Peacefull_World_Leader since you almost can say that that were two different men.

(of course, there is alway an open option of changing that in future versions, and if that is a problem with puting this mod into SuperCiv I will agree in advance that you leave just one Tito - the peacefull one :))

PS. If you have some time, please check my solution of problem with multicolor flags and if you like it you can implement it into your SuperCiv mod! :)

Manijak

Dec 04, 2005, 07:12 PM

srdjann

Dec 05, 2005, 01:16 AM

Wasn't Stipe Mesic (current president of Croatia) the "leader" of Jugoslavija after Titos death? I do remember that he was, for a short period of time.

If you ask me, he is the closest we get to a new Tito today :(

Well Stipe Mesic was the President of Presidency which had 8 members (one from each Republic and Autonomous Province) and Ante Markovic was a Prime Minister of SFRY.

Speaking of Stipe Mesic, his today's role is much different then in those days when he wasn't contructive like Ante Markovic tried to be. Therefore I would like to see Stipe Mesic as Croatian leader much more then as Yugoslav leader. And I can agree with you that from all current leaders of former Yugoslav Republics and autonomous provinces, he is closest to Tito but still he is far far away from him...

Anima Croatorum

Dec 05, 2005, 03:21 AM

srdjann

Dec 05, 2005, 05:56 AM

Mesić had a very simple, yet unachievable agenda during his presidency over Yugoslavia. Peaceful disolution of a dead country. His main achievement was to delay the war for a year, and thats about it.
I agree totally, but what I meant was that, besides all, in that time he was a part of nationalistic governing party in Croatia (of Franjo Tudjman) which answered destructively on Milosevic's aggressive and expansive nationalism. Ante Markovic wasn't part of that party even though he is also a Croat and that's why I think that he had much more contructive role then Stipe Mesic since he tried to oppose Milosevic on non-nationalistic platform. He did loose because in 1991. it was too late since in Yugoslavia all nationalisms were awaken...

I never said that Stipe Mesic was destructive from civilized point of view (maybe he saved more lives by his acting then Ante Markovic who didn't want to mess with nationalism and that left him without support? Who knows...) but from the Yugoslav point of view he was destructive in a way and therefore I think that he can not be a leader in Yugoslavia mod. On the other hand I'll be very glad to see him in a Croatian mod :) much more then any other modern Croatian leader (since 1991.).

Anima Croatorum

Dec 05, 2005, 12:30 PM

I wouldnt call Ante Markovic either pro or anti-nationalist. He tried to restore the economy of Yugoslavia from inflation and recession, but all his reforms were cosmetic in nature. He added some shine, but did not touch the rot underneath. If he had been more successful, perhaps 1990 would have played somewhat different and some kind of confederacy could have been agreed upon, but even so, the probabilites of such an outcome would have been minimal, it was simply too late.

From a Croats point of view, Yugoslavia was dead at least a year before Mesic became president, there was already shooting in these parts. We had hoped that once he became president that he'd be able to stop JNA from attacking us, but it was all in vain, since its loyalties were not to Yugoslavia but to Milošević.

Mr_V

Dec 07, 2005, 03:51 AM

kovach81

Dec 07, 2005, 07:19 AM

you can not put nikola tesla in yugoslav mod coz he died before 2nd yugoslavia (1943), so....

Mr_V

Dec 07, 2005, 09:47 AM

Ah, right, didn't know that...

But it would still be the most logical thing - he was not born in Serbia, but in what is today a Croatia, but he was a Serb, at his time, a country called Yugoslavia did exist, maybe it's best to put him in Yugoslavia, rather than in Croatia or Serbia mod exclusively (or both)?

kovach81

Dec 07, 2005, 11:34 AM

his father was ortodox serbian priest and Tesla asked to be buried in serbia so you can put him wherever you want except in yugoslavia and croatia ;)

srdjann

Dec 08, 2005, 01:22 AM

I was suggesting yesterday several things about the "Serbia" mod, so I started thinking about this one as well...

Music for diplomacy - "Hej Sloveni" is obviously a must, but should it be for both leaders - wartime and peacetime? Perhaps for wartime some old WW2 song would be better? "Uz Maršala Tita" or something? :)

Great prophets:
-Ivo Lola Ribar
-Edvard Kardelj
-Moša Pijade
-Žikica Jovanović Španac
-Sava Kovačević

Great engineers:
-Ivan Meštrović

Great scientists:
-Nikola Tesla
...

Great artists:
-Ivo Andrić
-Danilo Kiš
-Miroslav Krleža
-Branko Ćopić
-Meša Selimović
-Branko Miljković
-Desanka Maksimović

Great entertainers:
-EKV
-Azra
-Bijelo Dugme
-Leb i Sol
-KUD Idijoti (truly yugoslav band ;) )
-Lačni Franz
-Zabranjeno Pušenje
-Lepa Brena
-Zdravko Čolić

Mmmm, great! :)

But since I turned off music in my game (because of my weak performance grafics ;)) I'll need a couple of information:

1. Do you speak about overall ingame music or just diplomacy music? Putting just a diplomacy music wouldn't be worthy because if you play with Yugoslavian civ you will never hear it and mod file's size would multiply... :(

2. If you speak about all in game music then ok, and then I'll need info from you (or anybody else) about technical stuff - what format (mp3?), where is the location in Assets folder, how to implement it into xml files... You downloaded LAnkou's Superciv mod (it's too heavy for me and my dial-up ;)) so if it is not a problem for you to find that out... :) I'll include you as a co-author of course! :)

3. About the music - I agree that Hej Sloveni should be a music for President, but for Marhsal it should be first something like "Po sumama i gorama" or maybe "Padaj silo i nepravdo" (my favourite :)). Also there is one very strong song "Konjuh planinom" and I have a modern rock version of it. It really rocks! "Uz Marshala Tita" is also a very good choice! :) Anyway, I have a lot of Yugoslav songs in mp3 so that wouldn't be a problem, just tell me what is the maximum? Someone mentioned 3 on Serbia topic...

4. About Great People, I'm also not sure how to put them in and I'm not sure is it possible to connect them just with Yugoslav civilization?

5. kovach81, you showed your credibility on Serbia topic where you asked Velja to put Nikolaj Velimirovic (who admired Adolf Hitler and who was spiritual leader of fascist movement of Dimitrije Ljotic) into Serbia mod, so please don't help us here...

player1 fanatic

Dec 08, 2005, 02:11 AM

You hear diplomacy music when close zooming to your own cities.

And that is 100% worth it!

P.S.
That's only civilization dependent music I know.

Mr_V

Dec 08, 2005, 02:26 AM

1. Do you speak about overall ingame music or just diplomacy music? Putting just a diplomacy music wouldn't be worthy because if you play with Yugoslavian civ you will never hear it and mod file's size would multiply... :(
1. As Player1_fanatic said, you would hear it only during diplomacy and when you zoom in the city. I still think it would be a nice touch :)

2. If you speak about all in game music then ok, and then I'll need info from you (or anybody else) about technical stuff - what format (mp3?), where is the location in Assets folder, how to implement it into xml files... You downloaded LAnkou's Superciv mod (it's too heavy for me and my dial-up ;)) so if it is not a problem for you to find that out... :) I'll include you as a co-author of course! :)
2. I did download Lankou's SuperCiv mod, but the version without soundfiles, damn! :D I will try to find out somewhere in the customization subforums how do you add custom mp3s if you decide to do it.

3. About the music - I agree that Hej Sloveni should be a music for President, but for Marhsal it should be first something like "Po sumama i gorama" or maybe "Padaj silo i nepravdo" (my favourite :)). Also there is one very strong song "Konjuh planinom" and I have a modern rock version of it. It really rocks! "Uz Marshala Tita" is also a very good choice! :) Anyway, I have a lot of Yugoslav songs in mp3 so that wouldn't be a problem, just tell me what is the maximum? Someone mentioned 3 on Serbia topic...
3. Yes, there is an option for three music files per leader as someone mentioned on Serbia topic, but I think that general consensus over there was to keep it down - both for the mod size's sake and for the old truth - simplicity is the key. I would just put one tune per leader but hey, it's your mod ;)

4. About Great People, I'm also not sure how to put them in and I'm not sure is it possible to connect them just with Yugoslav civilization?

4. I think it must be (a guess), because from what I remember in the game, nations have their own great people, don't they? Unfortunately, I'm away from my PC for the better part of the weekend so I can't check, but when I get round to it, I will.

Anima Croatorum

Dec 08, 2005, 03:00 AM

1. As Player1_fanatic said, you would hear it only during diplomacy and when you zoom in the city. I still think it would be a nice touch :)

I did this with my Hungary mod, and it works fantastic. Everytime you zoom on the city you hear Csardas. Definitively worth the effort. A suggestion when making diplo sounds: You have to rip them into two parts, the intro, and the main theme. Round up the intro in a 10-15 second recognizable lead-in from the start of the song and then skip to the chorus/recognizible part when starting the main theme, IE. 'Ej šeki šeki...' or 'Mile voli disko...'... although I'd suggest 'Jugoslavijo' for the diplo song.

Mr_V

Dec 08, 2005, 03:26 AM

Just a sudden thought - how 'bout chorus of "Pljuni i zapjevaj" for a short recognizeble diplo music?

Juuuugooooslaaaaviiijo na noge,
pjevaj nek'te čuuuuujuuuu...

Anima, any clues about Civ-specific Great People? I just did a quick search, and didn't find a lot about it, althought his thread seems to suggest that Great People cannot easily be tailored or introduced for a specific tribe.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=141669

If that is really the case, it's a big miss from Firaxis. Special Great People to new tribes would be a classy add-on to a mod.

Anima Croatorum

Dec 08, 2005, 03:34 AM

srdjann

Dec 08, 2005, 03:50 AM

srdjann

Dec 08, 2005, 03:52 AM

You can add people to the list, but making them civ specific is another issue. I dont think its worth it. Anyway, you probably played enough games to know that Imhotep can be American, Moses and Englishman... whats the point of adding Lepa Brena if she turns out to be Japanese?

Yap, I figured that out as well, and that's why I'm so sceptic about adding great people... It is ok to add some world wide known who miss in the game (like Nikola Tesla) but that should be job not just for single mod but for next game patch... :)

Anima Croatorum

Dec 08, 2005, 04:01 AM

OK, thanx for info to all of you!

I found in CIV4LeaderHeadInfos.xml file where the connection with music is. Every leader has got a possibillity of not just 3 but 7 different music themes – each for every era (even though in the game for original leaders there are only 3 music themes – one for ancient and classical, one for medieval and renaissance and one for industrial, modern and future :))

Anyway since mp3 files can be so big, of course that there will be just one for all eras... :) Yugoslav civilization didn't last that much ;) therefore it wouldn't be historical mistake to have just one theme... :D

But which one will it be? It's kinda too official for me to be "Hej Sloveni/Slaveni"... Maybe "Uz Marshala Tita"? That looks/sounds good... :) Imagine – you enter Beograd with the sounds of "Uz Marshala Tita junackoga sina nas nece ni pakao smet! Mi dizemo celo, mi krocimo smelo..." Mmm, it's shivering... ;) And on the other hand "Po sumama i gorama" sounds great to... :) Maybe I'll put a vote to it. ;)

Anyway, I have a couple of questions for you Anima (since you have an experience with this)

1. What did you mean when you wrote that the song should be devided into 2 parts? Did you mean into 2 different files or what? :) Since "Uz marshala Tita" starts right away with no introduction I don't know what to do... ;)

2. What format should I use in xml file? How can I replace existing (for an example) AS2D_DIPLO_NAPOLEON_MIDDLE text? Let's say that I have tito.mp3 file which I would like to play as diplo music...

3. And the final is where in the Assets folder should I put mp3 file?

Thanx in advance!

If you have the time download my latest version of Magyar mod, all the changes to all files have been marked in text files for all xml files.

1. Diplo sounds. When you open negotiations intro sound plays. Once it finishes main theme starts to play and it goes into constant replay until negotiations end. Main theme is also the one that plays when you zoom on a town.

2.First, you need to define the music you will use in audiodefines.xml, just copy the way I did it, or how its done for any leader by firaxis. As for the folders where you will store the sounds use whatever you like, just make sure you link them proper within <Filename>Folder/Name</Filename> part.

<SoundData>
<SoundID>DIPLO_MAGYAR_INTRO</SoundID>
<Filename>ACR-Magyar/Sounds/Diplomacy/Magyar_Intro</Filename>
<LoadType>STREAMED</LoadType>
<bIsCompressed>1</bIsCompressed>
<bInGeneric>1</bInGeneric>
</SoundData>
<SoundData>
<SoundID>DIPLO_MAGYAR_THEME</SoundID>
<Filename>ACR-Magyar/Sounds/Diplomacy/Magyar_Theme</Filename>
<LoadType>STREAMED</LoadType>
<bIsCompressed>1</bIsCompressed>
<bInGeneric>1</bInGeneric>
</SoundData>

Second, modify audio2dscripts.xml and define you sounds:

<Script2DSound>
<ScriptID>AS2D_DIPLO_MAGYAR_INTRO</ScriptID>
<SoundID>DIPLO_MAGYAR_INTRO</SoundID>
<SoundType>GAME_MUSIC</SoundType>
<iMinVolume>75</iMinVolume>
<iMaxVolume>75</iMaxVolume>
<iPitchChangeDown>0</iPitchChangeDown>
<iPitchChangeUp>0</iPitchChangeUp>
<iMinLeftPan>-1</iMinLeftPan>
<iMaxLeftPan>-1</iMaxLeftPan>
<iMinRightPan>-1</iMinRightPan>
<iMaxRightPan>-1</iMaxRightPan>
<bLooping>0</bLooping>
<iMinTimeDelay>0</iMinTimeDelay>
<iMaxTimeDelay>0</iMaxTimeDelay>
<bTaperForSoundtracks>0</bTaperForSoundtracks>
<iLengthOfSound>0</iLengthOfSound>
<fMinDryLevel>1.0</fMinDryLevel>
<fMaxDryLevel>1.0</fMaxDryLevel>
<fMinWetLevel>0.0</fMinWetLevel>
<fMaxWetLevel>0.0</fMaxWetLevel>
</Script2DSound>
<Script2DSound>
<ScriptID>AS2D_DIPLO_MAGYAR_THEME</ScriptID>
<SoundID>DIPLO_MAGYAR_THEME</SoundID>
<SoundType>GAME_MUSIC</SoundType>
<iMinVolume>75</iMinVolume>
<iMaxVolume>75</iMaxVolume>
<iPitchChangeDown>0</iPitchChangeDown>
<iPitchChangeUp>0</iPitchChangeUp>
<iMinLeftPan>-1</iMinLeftPan>
<iMaxLeftPan>-1</iMaxLeftPan>
<iMinRightPan>-1</iMinRightPan>
<iMaxRightPan>-1</iMaxRightPan>
<bLooping>1</bLooping>
<iMinTimeDelay>0</iMinTimeDelay>
<iMaxTimeDelay>0</iMaxTimeDelay>
<bTaperForSoundtracks>0</bTaperForSoundtracks>
<iLengthOfSound>0</iLengthOfSound>
<fMinDryLevel>1.0</fMinDryLevel>
<fMaxDryLevel>1.0</fMaxDryLevel>
<fMinWetLevel>0.0</fMinWetLevel>
<fMaxWetLevel>0.0</fMaxWetLevel>
</Script2DSound>

now you simply use these script names for your Civ4LeaderheadsInfo.xml:

<DiplomacyIntroMusicPeace>
<DiploMusicPeaceEra>
<EraType>ERA_ANCIENT</EraType>
<DiploScriptId>AS2D_DIPLO_MAGYAR_INTRO</DiploScriptId>
</DiploMusicPeaceEra>
<DiploMusicPeaceEra>
<EraType>ERA_CLASSICAL</EraType>
<DiploScriptId>AS2D_DIPLO_MAGYAR_INTRO</DiploScriptId>
</DiploMusicPeaceEra>
<DiploMusicPeaceEra>
<EraType>ERA_MEDIEVAL</EraType>
<DiploScriptId>AS2D_DIPLO_MAGYAR_INTRO</DiploScriptId>
</DiploMusicPeaceEra>
<DiploMusicPeaceEra>
<EraType>ERA_RENAISSANCE</EraType>
<DiploScriptId>AS2D_DIPLO_MAGYAR_INTRO</DiploScriptId>
</DiploMusicPeaceEra>
<DiploMusicPeaceEra>
<EraType>ERA_INDUSTRIAL</EraType>
<DiploScriptId>AS2D_DIPLO_MAGYAR_INTRO</DiploScriptId>
</DiploMusicPeaceEra>
<DiploMusicPeaceEra>
<EraType>ERA_MODERN</EraType>
<DiploScriptId>AS2D_DIPLO_MAGYAR_INTRO</DiploScriptId>
</DiploMusicPeaceEra>
<DiploMusicPeaceEra>
<EraType>ERA_FUTURE</EraType>
<DiploScriptId>AS2D_DIPLO_MAGYAR_INTRO</DiploScriptId>
</DiploMusicPeaceEra>
</DiplomacyIntroMusicPeace>
<DiplomacyMusicPeace>
<DiploMusicPeaceEra>
<EraType>ERA_ANCIENT</EraType>
<DiploScriptId>AS2D_DIPLO_MAGYAR_THEME</DiploScriptId>
</DiploMusicPeaceEra>
<DiploMusicPeaceEra>
<EraType>ERA_CLASSICAL</EraType>
<DiploScriptId>AS2D_DIPLO_MAGYAR_THEME</DiploScriptId>
</DiploMusicPeaceEra>
<DiploMusicPeaceEra>
<EraType>ERA_MEDIEVAL</EraType>
<DiploScriptId>AS2D_DIPLO_MAGYAR_THEME</DiploScriptId>
</DiploMusicPeaceEra>
<DiploMusicPeaceEra>
<EraType>ERA_RENAISSANCE</EraType>
<DiploScriptId>AS2D_DIPLO_MAGYAR_THEME</DiploScriptId>
</DiploMusicPeaceEra>
<DiploMusicPeaceEra>
<EraType>ERA_INDUSTRIAL</EraType>
<DiploScriptId>AS2D_DIPLO_MAGYAR_THEME</DiploScriptId>
</DiploMusicPeaceEra>
<DiploMusicPeaceEra>
<EraType>ERA_MODERN</EraType>
<DiploScriptId>AS2D_DIPLO_MAGYAR_THEME</DiploScriptId>
</DiploMusicPeaceEra>
<DiploMusicPeaceEra>
<EraType>ERA_FUTURE</EraType>
<DiploScriptId>AS2D_DIPLO_MAGYAR_THEME</DiploScriptId>
</DiploMusicPeaceEra>
</DiplomacyMusicPeace>

Plain as beans.

srdjann

Dec 08, 2005, 05:16 AM

Thanx! I'm downloading your 1.04 Magyar mod and I'll take a closer look! :)

srdjann

Dec 08, 2005, 08:44 AM

Yugoslav mod ver 1.04 (http://www.filegone.com/6qic) by srdjann & Anima Croatorum

__________________________________________________ __

Starting technologies:
Agriculture & Mining

Leaders:
Marshal Josip Broz Tito – Aggressive & Industrious
President Josip Broz Tito – Creative & Organized

Unique Unit:
Partisan (Infantry)
Strenght 18 (instead of Infantry's 20)
+25% vs. gunpowder units (same as Infantry)
1 First strike
Ambush promotion (+25% vs. armored units)
Woodsman promotion (+20% defense in forest & jungle)

Installation Instructions:
_________________________

Just UnZip Yug104.zip into :Program Files\Firaxis Games\Sid Meier's Civilization 4\Mods folder

IMPORTANT! IF YOU DO NOT SEE YUGOSLAV FLAG DURING THE GAME AND YOU ONLY SEE CLEAR WHITE FLAG RUN FLAGPATCH.EXE FROM MODS\YUGOSLAVIA FOLDER AND PRESS UNZIP!

Any comments, critics, proposals, suggestions, greetings & the rest please send to schef76@yahoo.co.uk

Change log:
___________

1.04
____

- Changed leaders attributes, now President and Marshal will act differently if you play against them

- Added unique music which appears on diplomacy and city screen (diplomacy screen when playing against Yugoslavian empire and city screen when playing as Yugoslavian empire) and support for future unique orders & select sounds (for know mod uses english orders & select sounds)

- Optimized yugoslav button file

- Fixed some entries in CIV4GameTextInfos_Objects.xml file as well as connected entries in CIV4CivilizationInfos.xml and CIV4LeaderHeadInfos.xml.

srdjann

Dec 08, 2005, 08:52 AM

Well, here it is, without unit sounds but we'll manage to place those too in the future :)

I will not tell you which songs I took, let that be a surprise... ;)

I think you'll like it! :)

Anima Croatorum

Dec 08, 2005, 09:00 AM

<TEXT>
<Tag>TXT_KEY_CIV_YUGOSLAVIA_SHORT_DESC</Tag>
<English>Serbia</English>
<French>
<Text>Yugoslavia</Text>
<Gender>Male</Gender>
<Plural>1</Plural>
</French>
<German>
<Text>Yugoslavia</Text>
<Gender>Male</Gender>
<Plural>0</Plural>
</German>
<Italian>
<Text>Yugoslavia</Text>
<Gender>Female</Gender>
<Plural>0</Plural>
</Italian>
<Spanish>
<Text>Yugoslavia</Text>
<Gender>Male</Gender>
<Plural>1</Plural>
</Spanish>
</TEXT>

<TEXT>
<Tag>TXT_KEY_CIV_YUGOSLAVIA_SHORT_DESC</Tag>
<English>Yugoslavia</English>
<French>
<Text>Yugoslavia</Text>
<Gender>Male</Gender>
<Plural>1</Plural>
</French>
<German>
<Text>Yugoslavia</Text>
<Gender>Male</Gender>
<Plural>0</Plural>
</German>
<Italian>
<Text>Yugoslavia</Text>
<Gender>Female</Gender>
<Plural>0</Plural>
</Italian>
<Spanish>
<Text>Yugoslavia</Text>
<Gender>Male</Gender>
<Plural>1</Plural>
</Spanish>
</TEXT>

Also, try using this Flagdecal (http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=106762&stc=1&d=1134057473)

It should work universally, as long as you use these settings:

<CivilizationArtInfo>
<Type>ART_DEF_CIVILIZATION_YUGOSLAVIA</Type>
<Button>,Art/Interface/Buttons/Civilizations/Yugoslavia.dds,Art/Interface/Buttons/buttons_yugoslavia.dds,1,1</Button>
<Path>Art/Interface/TeamColor/FlagDECAL_Yugoslavia.dds</Path>
<bWhiteFlag>1</bWhiteFlag>
</CivilizationArtInfo>

Other than that, good work! Keep up the effort!

LAnkou

Dec 08, 2005, 09:57 AM

well, if you want to know, in French Yougoslavia is Yougoslavie...

srdjann

Dec 08, 2005, 10:36 AM

Thanx, I fixed that bug and placed your Decal file (but I don't have a time to try it now, I'm going to the theatre but I think that I know what's the catch - abot checking whether to or not to save alpha channel in DDS converter, right?) and added Franch short version ;) of Yugoslavia name (unfortunatelly I didn't know anything else to change ;)) and aploaded it again... (links above are changed :))

I'm glad that you like it! :)

Anima Croatorum

Dec 08, 2005, 10:49 AM

srdjann

Dec 09, 2005, 01:28 AM

Alpha channel needs to be painted pitch black, then it works. But since most utils ignore loading pitch black alpha channels I missed it until I read about it in Jecrells' Civ modding tutorial thread.

I tried your flag and there's no use - I still see clear white flag (insted of star and stripes) like with every other flagdecal file with black alpha channel...

I thought you maybe found out some tweak in DDS converter how to save differently but no... Unfortunatelly yet there will be a need for FlagPatch and FlagUnPatch (important for everybody - with this new version 1.04 if you don't see the flag run FlagUnPatch since FlagPatch will copy another Flagdecal file with black alpha channel and FlagUnpatch copies Flagdecal with white alpha channel which works on my computer)

Anima Croatorum

Dec 09, 2005, 01:49 AM

Mr_V

Dec 09, 2005, 04:15 AM

I tried the mod last night, and the flag worked for me as Srđan made it (the last two versions didn't?)

Anyway, Srđane, I was posting something on Serbia's mod, just a suggestion about mp3 files used. Very small touch, but you could be interested. I wrote over there (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=3428191&postcount=244):

One other thing: I am not at home over the weekend, but once I get back, I may do some work on two mp3 files of "Marš na Drinu" if Velja decides to go with them. What I mean is this: Srđan's "Yugoslavia" mod plays the tune "Jugoslavijo" when you zoom in on a city. One thing I would change about it is that I would "cut" or "skip" the "introduction" of the song, i.e. the first several accords until the recogniseable tune begins. This is something I used to do when I was putting our rock melodies as mobile tone rings - they all had 4-5-6 seconds starting with just drums beat that had little or nothing to do with a song tune, and they annoyed me. So I cut them out of the begginning and started the mp3 file at the start of the recogniseable melody.

Would you think that cutting the begginning of "Marš na Drinu" would be good or not? It does have that unique and recognizeable "Dam-dara-rara-dam Dam-dara-rara-dam" intro, but would you really want to hear it every time you zoom in to a city, or would you prefer a start of tune to be the old recogniseable melody?

srdjann

Dec 11, 2005, 01:43 AM

I just dont get it then, must be very graphic card specific. The trick solved the issue for my graphic card. Before that I used to see every multi-color flag as blank white.

Did you edit the file? Even if the flagdecal is flawed, with the whiteflag attribute set to one, you should at least see a black flag, not a white one.

edit: what are your graphic settings? i'm grabbing at straws, but this might be it.
I'm running at 1024x768, anti-aliasing 4, and every other setting on high.
Yap, I changed save settings in DDS converter in all possible combinations but no use... With black alpha channel there is no chance for me to see any flag, not just this Yugoslav but also any other flag in any other mod. If I want to play them I have to edit the flag and to convert alpha channel to white, and I think that I'm not the only one...

I even made alpha channel half white and half black and I did see only the white half coloured and the black part was white...

Still a mistery... :)

I'm also running at 1024x768, not sure about anti-aliasing and everything else is on low 'cause I've got "border" graphic card (GeForce 2)...

Anyway you can't force anybody to play in graphic settings you like ;) therefore I'll have to keep this FlagPatch and FlagUnPatch thing so that everybody could play with star and stripes... :)

srdjann

Dec 11, 2005, 01:44 AM

Anima Croatorum

Dec 11, 2005, 10:27 AM

What about flagdecals made by Firaxis, the ones for the American Revolution mod? Do you see the Betsy Ross?

edit: check out this clip:

Televizijo (http://www.lakunoc.hr/filmici/s26.mov)

Mr_V

Dec 12, 2005, 05:37 AM

To hear "diplo" music, I would actually have to play as a different nation, against the modded civ, and then talk to them, right?

Mr_V

Dec 12, 2005, 05:41 AM

edit: check out this clip:

Televizijo (http://www.lakunoc.hr/filmici/s26.mov)
Cute... :D

Anima Croatorum

Dec 12, 2005, 05:43 AM

Yes, and no. You hear diplo music when you negotiate(and you can not negotiate with yourself, unless youre playing a Good Tito vs. Evil Tito parallel universe custom game) and you hear diplo music when you zoom in on your cities(just zoom in on any city and it'll be playing your diplo music. it plays your diplo music constantly in repeat mode, but you dont hear it unles you zoom in close on the city)

Mr_V

Dec 12, 2005, 08:46 AM

Ah, right. I thought that there are two different tunes: one for when you zoom in to a city, and one for diplomacy, but they are same in fact. Cheers.

Anima Croatorum

Dec 12, 2005, 08:57 AM

There are two tones for diplomacy:

1. intro, it plays when you start negotiations

2. main theme, is starts after intro finishes and goes into replay until negotiations end.

when you zoom in on a city you hear the main theme(sound no.2) playing over and over again.

capisci?

srdjann

Dec 12, 2005, 10:50 AM

What about flagdecals made by Firaxis, the ones for the American Revolution mod? Do you see the Betsy Ross?

edit: check out this clip:

Televizijo (http://www.lakunoc.hr/filmici/s26.mov)

Nope...

I just tried that Scenario and only white flags appear... I changed their alpha channel to white and whoop! :) There they are...

I tried to check that clip but my system is not able to reproduce .mov files... What software do I need for it? :)

Anima Croatorum

Dec 12, 2005, 11:51 AM

Nope...

I just tried that Scenario and only white flags appear... I changed their alpha channel to white and whoop! :) There they are...

It must be graphic card specific. I get white flags if the alpha channel is white. ATI, NVidia, or old cards, new cards... who knows...

I tried to check that clip but my system is not able to reproduce .mov files... What software do I need for it? :)

Just download quicktime.

Quicktime standalone download (http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/standalone.html)

And another pearl. This one featuring 'dear leader': Star Drek - Episode 19 - 'Trieste' (http://www.lakunoc.hr/filmici/star19.mov)

srdjann

Dec 16, 2005, 03:24 AM

Yugoslav mod ver 1.1 (http://www.filegone.com/nivb) by srdjann & Anima Croatorum

__________________________________________________ __

Starting technologies:
Agriculture & Mining

Leaders:
Marshal Josip Broz Tito – Aggressive & Industrious
President Josip Broz Tito – Creative & Organized

Unique Unit:
Partisan (Infantry)
Strenght 18 (instead of Infantry's 20)
+25% vs. gunpowder units (same as Infantry)
1 First strike
Ambush promotion (+25% vs. armored units)
Woodsman promotion (+20% defense in forest & jungle)

Installation Instructions:
_________________________

Just UnZip Yug11.zip into :Program Files\Firaxis Games\Sid Meier's Civilization 4\Mods folder

IMPORTANT! IF YOU DO NOT SEE YUGOSLAV FLAG DURING THE GAME AND YOU ONLY SEE CLEAR WHITE FLAG RUN FLAGPATCH.EXE FROM MODS\YUGOSLAVIA FOLDER AND PRESS UNZIP!

Any comments, critics, proposals, suggestions, greetings & the rest please send to schef76@yahoo.co.uk

Change log:
___________

1.1
___

- Added unique order & select sounds for Yugoslav units

- Music files reduced from 96 to 64kbps

srdjann

Dec 16, 2005, 08:13 AM

Yugoslav mod ver 1.1.light (http://www.filegone.com/cfih) – by srdjann & Anima Croatorum
__________________________________________________ __

- Light version without unique music and sounds - uses one Russian theme and English unit sounds for select and order

DaBull

Jan 25, 2006, 01:05 PM

Funny, I had a taught for about 2-3 years ago when I was playing civIII; "I really would like it if there would exist a Yugoslav civilization." I can remember that I taught it all trough, how I would make it, what kind of music & units I would use and so fourth..

Anyway one fine day 2-3 years later I came bye this mod.. And comrades, I'm ****ing crying. Yes, I am a man, and still I am crying like a ****ing child.
This is all I ever wanted, the partizan, Tito as leader, the flag, and the best thing is the music! Srdjann, ziv bio! Hajmo drugovi, Uz marsala Tita!

You fellas are the best! ****, I will not forget this. Suddenly the greatest game in the world became evey greater!

And bye the way I'm form Belgrade, but now I live in Southern Norway.. Yeah I know, some ****ing change in latitude!

Mr_V

Jan 25, 2006, 01:11 PM

:)
:)
:)

srdjann

Jan 25, 2006, 03:32 PM

Cheers mate! :) That mod is made for 1.09 version but it will work on 1.52 as well (with values from 1.09 but it will work :))

Happy civin'! :)

player1 fanatic

Jan 25, 2006, 05:33 PM

Could help some 1.52 updates (like fixing value of Gunship to 24 and probably several other issues).

Not that it doesn't work now. It just isn't fully updated to 1.52.

srdjann

Jan 26, 2006, 12:09 AM

Could help some 1.52 updates (like fixing value of Gunship to 24 and probably several other issues).

Not that it doesn't work now. It just isn't fully updated to 1.52.

Yeah, I know (especially about that gunship upgrade), but unfortunatelly right now I don't have enough time... :)

DaBull

Jan 26, 2006, 12:45 PM

Lol, I didn't know it wasn't allowed to swear here
Anyway, the yugo-music doesn’t always seem to work, like sometimes when I’m fighting it works and sometimes it doesn’t.. And I don’t think the diplomacy music works either, if there is supposed to be any music at all when you’re in the trading window..

I have the 1.04 mod on version 1.09… But I would also like to propose other songs that could be used in some situations in the game: Bajaga – Balkan, Djordje Balasevic – racunajte na nas, Davorin Popovic – Tito poslje Tita, Neda Ukraden – Ide Tito, Oliver Dragojevic - Tito I Prva Proleterska, and uz marsala tita but I think someone already suggested that one..

These are just suggestions, and if you can’t find them on your own, just say so and I’ll send them right over..

I’m so exited about all this, it’s so fun when there are more people that have the same interests..

Fonky

Jan 26, 2006, 06:28 PM

Ante Markovic would be an excellent choice for a second Yugo leader to my mind. However, I am an outsider so I couldn't really comment on how the citizens of various former-Yug nations feel about him. I think two Titos is a little redundant and from my reading on former Yugoslavia I am very well impressed by Markovic.

Other than that I am VERY excited about this mod.

srdjann

Jan 29, 2006, 01:26 AM

DaBull,

You can hear Yugoslav music when you zoom to your city - not city screen but zomming on city on main map leads you to Yugoslav music.

You can not hear diplo music when you play as Tito :) - you can hear diplo music of person you play against when you talk to him/her. Therefore if you want to hear Yugoslav diplo music you must play against Tito... ;)

I was thinking about adding more songs (two or three for different eras) but that would lead to bigger size of a mod. Maybe if I catch more time I'll do a couple of versions for 1.52 version of CivIV - one without special sounds and music (light), one with sounds and one tune (normal) and one with sounds and couple of tunes (2 or 3) but I'll stick to partisan songs like "Po sumama i gorama"... :)

Fonky,

Yeah I was thinking about Ante Markovic, and if I add him I'll add Milka Planinc as well :) - she was Prime minister couple of years before Ante Markovic, but I'm not sure about removing one Tito since it would be hard for me to make a decision which one will stay ;)

Anyway thanx for suggestions to both of you! :)

Srdjan

Anima Croatorum

Jan 29, 2006, 07:38 AM

You can never have too many Titos. If it were my choice there would be four Titos.

SuperSaiyan

Mar 23, 2006, 09:05 AM

how do i download this? Whenever i click on a link it goes to some website where i should upload my file... can you help me please?

Archduke Otto

Mar 23, 2006, 09:26 AM

The link must be broken. Either you pm srdjann or maybe a moderator about this or you download the (huge) allciv mod, where the yugoslavs are included.

You'll find that here:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=164178

dinamo_18

Mar 23, 2006, 10:49 PM

@Srdjan & Anima Croatorum
I think it would be a good idea to add both of those 2 new leaders. About which Tito to keep, i would honestly prefer the WWII era one.

@Everyone.....
Is it posible to create multiple new units and then make them part of just 1 country (lets say Yugoslavia) without all of them having to be a UU? For example could you create 3-4 new Infantry models with an appearance that would only represent Yugoslavia and then adding them to the MOD so that only the Yugoslavian civilization will have them???

EDIT: I've seen in that Serbia MOD they have the local letters for the required city names. Can that be done here as well . . . Brčko, Kruševac, Nikšić, Črnomelj,...........

deo

Mar 24, 2006, 05:52 AM

Good work.

@Everyone.....
Is it posible to create multiple new units and then make them part of just 1 country (lets say Yugoslavia) without all of them having to be a UU? For example could you create 3-4 new Infantry models with an appearance that would only represent Yugoslavia and then adding them to the MOD so that only the Yugoslavian civilization will have them???

Sure, also called Flavor Units ;).

merlijn432

Mar 29, 2006, 04:45 AM

How can you make your own civilization?:confused:

Partizanac

Apr 13, 2006, 05:45 PM

I noticed that you guys have mentioned me a lot so hear I am.
Jos jedan "jugosloven" u kuci :)

DRUZE TITO MI TI SE KUNEEEEEMOOOOO! :lol:

TheJopa

Apr 19, 2006, 05:08 AM

Pozdrav iz Hrvatske...
Having 2 Titos is... unnecessary. You should really put someone else as second leader.

[CRO]Nemesis

Apr 19, 2006, 06:01 AM

You should have 2 titos, one from Kumrovec, second from Russia.:rolleyes:

Anima Croatorum

Apr 19, 2006, 08:17 AM

There can never be too many Titos. And Walter Weiss would have been an interesting choice too.

Alen05

Apr 28, 2006, 12:00 PM

I really love this Yugoslav mod 'cuz here all the nations are united and i think thats great. And i'm glad you didn't put in any of those mother****ers that ****ed up Yugoslavia like Milosevic, Izetbegovic, Tudman or other nationalists. So keep up the good work guys.:goodjob:

General_Putnik

May 01, 2006, 08:02 PM

why instead of young and old tito you dont put say

tito

and aleksandar

you could have the tri color without the star and then you can have a tito (communist, populist, etc)

vs

aleksandar (monarch, aristocratic etc )

it would definitly make sense to include the 1st yugoslavia in there

for great people you could include a lot more people then just the ones that are listed at the moment

Anima Croatorum

May 02, 2006, 06:42 AM

if you include first yugoslavia then exclude non-serbs please.

the only place i wish to see a karadjordjevic head is on a pike.

General_Putnik

May 02, 2006, 10:19 AM

if you include first yugoslavia then exclude non-serbs please.

the only place i wish to see a karadjordjevic head is on a pike.

karadjordje was not part of Yugoslavia - he was a Serb leader

now on the other hand Kralj Alexandar was a Yugoslav leader

btw whats wrong with Karadhodje, he didnt do anything to strike your feathers

Anima Croatorum

May 02, 2006, 11:27 AM

karadjordje was not part of Yugoslavia - he was a Serb leader

now on the other hand Kralj Alexandar was a Yugoslav leader

btw whats wrong with Karadhodje, he didnt do anything to strike your feathers

I did not mention Karađorđe but the Karađorđević dynasty, more specific, any monarch or regent their spawned between 1918 and 1941. None of them can represent Yugoslavia. The only Yugoslavia that stood true to its name was Titos Yugoslavia. It was born with him and died with him.

General_Putnik

May 02, 2006, 12:05 PM

I did not mention Karađorđe but the Karađorđević dynasty, more specific, any monarch or regent their spawned between 1918 and 1941. None of them can represent Yugoslavia. The only Yugoslavia that stood true to its name was Titos Yugoslavia. It was born with him and died with him.

why? Yugoslavia was created by those people. If it wasnt for King Alexander then Yugoslavia would never be there.

I am sorry to say - but this is something the majority of croatians wanted - in fact the king if anything was your proponent

the cvetkovic macek understanding gave croatia more land then ever before

Anima Croatorum

May 03, 2006, 10:50 AM

Where did you dig up that fairytale. We were forced into Yugoslavia or we would have lost the coast to Italians and it would have suffered the same fate as Istria did until WWII ended.

The ink had not dried before there were revolts in Croatia.

As for Cvetkovic-Macek agreement, thats hardly the largest territory Croatia held, and in this case it is not the size that matters.

Karadjordjevic were nothing more than puppets of Pašić and Serb radicals. And thats all they'll ever be.

General_Putnik

May 03, 2006, 01:06 PM

Where did you dig up that fairytale. We were forced into Yugoslavia or we would have lost the coast to Italians and it would have suffered the same fate as Istria did until WWII ended.

so it was preferable to be equals with serbs but that was forced? who forced them? the serbs certainly didnt - it was their choice. The croatians decided to join. Even before the cvetkovic-mace agreement there was an opportunity and the croatians were certainly offered to be independent - but that was not good enough for them...since musolini would have kicked your ass the day after you were on your own.

The ink had not dried before there were revolts in Croatia.

why? what was back about that agreement? Your leaders coulnt manage to go their own way.

As for Cvetkovic-Macek agreement, thats hardly the largest territory Croatia held, and in this case it is not the size that matters.

NDH doesnt count, or would you like to included that as a valid Croatian state?

Karadjordjevic were nothing more than puppets of Pašić and Serb radicals. And thats all they'll ever be.

You obviously have no idea what you are talkig about Pasic was against Yugoslavia and was retired because of that. At least that Yugoslavia was not based on the genocide committed by the ustashe and the attrocities committed by the NDH and the fascist quieslings.

dinamo_18

May 03, 2006, 11:28 PM

Lets not destroy this thread by arguing about politics. This bashing can go back and forth for days. One guy will say it was like this, then other guy will say no it was like this, and so on. Lets keep it about the MOD. I think the only leaders that should be in this MOD are Tito and anyone else great from 1980-1991. The red star should stay on the flag. Thats when Yugoslavia was great, with Tito as its leader.

Anima Croatorum

May 04, 2006, 01:19 AM

We had more than a millenia of statehood before Yugoslavia was ever born. Plenty of rather large Croatias before that.

As for all other mumbo jumbo the fact that remains is that whatever south slavic solidarity there was before 1918, by 1919 Karadjordjevic had managed to erase it.

The Ustasha were a reflection of Karadjordjevic politics. Without the oppression between 1918 and 1941 they could have never gained momentum.

And that Yugoslavia was pretty much about what the Chetnik movement was after it collapsed. Ustasha wannabes with far more limited projection power.

So Titos Yugoslavia was based on Ustasha and NDH... that just keeps taking more and more cake as it goes.

ryo-n-gats

May 04, 2006, 05:36 AM

Oh, man. Can't believe. SFRY pwnz, again. We're indestructible [at least in Civ lol]

Excellent idea. I always wanted to make Serbia mod for CIV3, but i didn't have enough knowledge and time. This is great, all together again, hehe, litle spooky...

srdjann, can i ask you for help in modding with Serbian civilization?

I haven't read whole thread, but had to post. After reading I'll post again.

/me np Zabranjeno Pusenje - Od istorijskog avnoja.mp3

Partizanac

May 04, 2006, 06:33 AM

I am building a huge Serbain scenario on map of Yugoslavia
1.Balkan Wars - Ancient times
2.WWI - Medieval times
3.WWII - Industrial times
4.Fall of Yugoslavia - Modern times

But i need LH's 3D and Units, I can use any help I can get!!!
(Wana help PM me!!)

Ps. I am building it in English and Serbian Language

General_Putnik

May 04, 2006, 06:46 AM

So Titos Yugoslavia was based on Ustasha and NDH... that just keeps taking more and more cake as it goes.

i never said that - i said that is it riddiculous to exclude the 1st Yugoslavia out of this Civ. If you want to build an accurate civ...plz do so

ryo-n-gats

May 04, 2006, 12:48 PM

Oky, like I said great job.
Now I want to play it, hehe but there is no link...

So few suggestions

About Stipe Mesic
His speech in Croatian parlament wich included sentence "My asignement is over (SFR)Yugoslavia is dead." [translation: "Moj zadatak je zavrsen, Jugoslavije vise nema"] pretty much discredits him as a SFRY leader. My suggestion is that it should be Ante Markovic.
You can remove one of the Tito's but it's your choice.

Also i think that name is quite unapropriate. It should be SFRY. But it would be stupid cause it's name of the state, not the nation. But whitout a Kingdom of Yugoslavia included into "Yugoslavian" nation, it is real shame. Cause whole idea of Yugoslavia is created in that period.
So do not know how this problem can be solved

About politics.
Serbia didn't force anyone to join Kingdom of Yugoslavia. If you closely inspect all legal documents from that period [and believe me i did, cause i study Law School], and know about all events that happend in that period you will know that Croatia actually used it so it can later fulfil its idea of independent state. If it didn't enter the Yugoslavia in that moment, it would be a question would it ever gain its independence. . Plain and simple, Croatia entered Kingdom of Yugoslavia freely, but it saw it just as an instrument to get independence from Hungary, and didn't see its future in Yugoslavia. Just saw it like some kind of temporary solution.
I think that i explained some things here. And please believe me, i do not have any reason to say something that is incorrect. I studied creation of Yugoslavia, and have read many sources [books, magazin articles, essays, etc], so i think that i know history a litle bit more than average person.

Also you mentioned chetniks in bad sense. Chetniks were Royal Kings Army, not Ustashee wannabes. That Chetniks were allied-oriented, vitness American President medal for bravery [it's highest rank in USA], which was given to Draza Mihajlovic [It was given to his daughter] when communist regime was finaly burried. [And by Chetniks I do not refer to bunch of drunk idiots fooling around on Ravna Gora every year]. And by law of rehabilitation, all historical lies are thrown away.
Croats always forget it. Ustashe were Fasicst colaborators, founders of Jasenovac and Gradiska camps of death, not to mention camp for kids in Caprag. Denying now that more than 1.000.000 Serbs was killed, by erasing nationalities from victim graves in Jasenovac is so lame, that I do not even want to comment that.

if you include first yugoslavia then exclude non-serbs please.

the only place i wish to see a karadjordjevic head is on a pike.

And why did you say this shauvinist comment? What does it mean? Please do not be [b]hater.

then exclude non-serbs please.

I was especially insulted by this part. Maybe you should find out how many Serbs died defending Yugoslavia [I am now refering to WW2], and how many Croats. I would say that ratio is 10:1, if not more. While Ustashe were busy with burrying of evidence of genoside, 20.000 Serbian kids [14-18-...years old] died on Srem front fighting with Elite German SS troops, or you would maybe prefer more that Nacists stayed in Croatia?

I'm done with this argue.

EDIT: I second Putniks post.

@Partizan Mogu da pomognem, ali reci precizno sta :rolleyes:

Partizanac

May 05, 2006, 10:26 AM

Bravo ryo-n-gats I couldn't put it better my self! ;)

dinamo_18

May 06, 2006, 01:54 PM

General_Putnik

May 06, 2006, 05:15 PM

There can be more than 2 leaders. One can be Tito one Ante Markovic and one form 1st Yugoslavia. How about the coward King Petar who left the country when nazis invaded. Make him also a leader. I think that all these leaders would be usefull to foreigners who play as Yugoslavia but dont know the history or the leaders. To me it doesnt matter if there are 20 different leaders I will still always play as Tito. JOSIP BROZ DOBAR SKROZ

Having King Petar would be useful, but he was a serbian kind, i belive you are talking about Petar II - the boy who was not of age when he became king though the coup d'etat.

You know, if i were king i would leave too after seein Nazis greeeted in Zagreb with flowers. Tito was quiet dispointed when he saw what his fellow Croats were doing.

Funny how communist led "ustanak" was always in places where Serbs lived like Uzice and Drvar.

But politics asside i am not sure how many leaders one can have

if we are talking about extremes then on the right we have King Aleksandar Karadjordjeciv (monarchist, capitalist) and on the Left we have Tito (communist aka "crvena banda" :) ) and in the middle we could have somebody like Ante Markovic or for that Matter Milka Planinic.

There is also the 3rd Yugoslavia under Milosevic and Kostunica but i think for the arguments sake we can skip those two.

I would go with the Markovic (and we are not talking about Mirjana), Aleksandar I and Tito.

the 3 represent the 3 factions we have.

I would say Tito is combative and good politician but totalitarian and supressive (aka dictator)

same thing with Aleksandar except that he would be monarchist and capitalist.

Markovic on the other hand would be a good economist but weak war and culturee leader. (representing the era that he did)

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The interesting part would be if we could have special units based on the leader you select.

Tito would have his partisans and Aleksandar would have Gendarmerie or perhaps WWI artilery and on the economic end perhaps the different systems would be reflected in retarded economy for tito yet with fast road and terrain building (javni rad/ akcije ) while Aleksandar would have a flourishing agriculture and capitalist system.

Ante markovic...i am not sure on him but i was thinking of perhaps TO units (Territorjalna odrana) and perhaps A 3rd world specialist (reflecting Yugos trade with the non alligned pact which could be a wonder )

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Markovic would have his

dinamo_18

May 07, 2006, 11:49 AM

You know, if i were king i would leave too after seein Nazis greeeted in Zagreb with flowers. Tito was quiet dispointed when he saw what his fellow Croats were doing.
You dont leave you fight. Remember the Ustasa's were not the most populer political party in Croatia. The offer was first offered to Vlatko Macek but he refused because he did not want anythign with facism, so then Pavelic steped up for the position. But the Ustasa's were not the most populer party in Croatia.

Funny how communist led "ustanak" was always in places where Serbs lived like Uzice and Drvar.
I hope you are not saying that Serbs are responsible for the resistance in Yugoslavia. There were members from all 6 sides which includes Serbia.

But politics asside i am not sure how many leaders one can have
I've seen some civs that have 4 leaders. I dont know if that many is really necesary.

There is also the 3rd Yugoslavia under Milosevic and Kostunica but i think for the arguments sake we can skip those two.
Right because it was really more Serbia & Montenegro. And lets not talk about the all the blood spilled during those days.

I would go with the Markovic (and we are not talking about Mirjana), Aleksandar I and Tito.
Good. I hope Srdjan is reading this because he is the only one that can change the leaders. Its him MOD.

I would say Tito is combative and good politician but totalitarian and supressive (aka dictator)
Supressive is such an ugly word. He wasnt like Stalin or any other Russian. He gave us freedom. We were very lucky that Tito kicked the Soviets out after WW2, because if they had stayed I dont think any of us would have any nostalgia towards our great Yugoslavia.

same thing with Aleksandar except that he would be monarchist and capitalist.
I dont know anything about this guy, so if you say that thats correct than go with it.

Markovic on the other hand would be a good economist but weak war and culturee leader. (representing the era that he did)
Sound good.

The interesting part would be if we could have special units based on the leader you select.
That would be nice. I tried creating new units but it seems so complicated. I wanted to create many new units for Yugoslavia that werent supposed to be UU, just regular units with variety.