Like my other civs, this is still a work in progress, but you can have what I've come up with so far.

Civ: Wales
Leaders: King Arthur (J. Caesar) and Owain Glendower (Cyrus)
Flag: Owain's coat of arms (Lion rampant)
UU: Welsh Longbowman

Enjoy.



Download Here (http://www.strogg.org/Wales.zip)
Last Updated: 11/28/05

Nice.

I wish the lion's heads weren't cut off, though - on the Flag.

1st post ;)

Nice. Have any idea on civ traits yet?

Just out of interest, what cities have you included for wales? I'm very interested in the progression of this mod. Here's a list of all the major Welsh Cities (in Welsh, and their English equivalent).

Abergavenny
Y Fenni

Ammanford
Rhydaman

Anglesey
Môn / Ynys Môn

Barmouth
Abermaw

Barry
Y Barri

Bridgend
Pen-y-bont-ar-Ogwr

Caernarvon
Caernarfon

Cardiff
Caerdydd

Cardigan
Aberteifi

Carmarthen
Caerfyrddin

Colwyn Bay
Bae Colwyn

Conway
Conwy

Denbigh
Dinbych

Fishguard
Abergwaun

Flint
Y Fflint

Haverfordwest
Hwlffordd

Hawarden
Penarlâg

Holyhead
Caergybi

Lampeter
Llanbedr Pont Steffan

Llandovery
Llanymddyfri

Milford Haven
Aberdaugleddau

Mold
Yr Wyddgrug

Neath
Castell Nedd

Newport
Carnewydd-ar-Wisg

Newtown
Y Drenewydd

Pembroke
Penfro

Pontypool
Pont-y-pwl

Rhondda
Y Rhondda

Rhyl
Y Rhyl

Ruthin
Rhuthun

St Asaph
Llanelwy

St Davids
Tyddewi

Swansea
Abertawe

Tenby
Dinbych-y-pysgod

Wrexham
Wrecsam

Other major cities with the same name as their English Equivalent: Bangor, Beddgelert, Brecon, Harlech, Llandudno, Llangefni, Merthyr

Sure there's more, and I've missed a few out, but that's what I can think atm. Hope that can be useful for you!

I only went with 15 cities. I'm not too versed in Cymraeg. ;)

Caerdydd (Capital)
Caernarfon
Bangor
Y Trallwng
Caer Guricon
Caerfyrddin
Caerffili
Casnewydd
Aberteifi
Llangefni
Caergybi
Wrecsam
Abertawe
Casllwchwr
Llanfairpwllgwyngyll

How can you Forget Llanelli!?
Okay I wish I could forget it, but it's my locale so it's hard...but it has 3 times the populaton of Carmarthen.

What about Aberystwyth and Machynlleth..
If you have Owen Glyndwr, you must have Machynlleth, because it was where he established his government.

As for Arthur.....it's debatable. How about Llwellyn ap gruffudd, the last true Prince of Wales?

A unique unit could be a better Long bow man? The weapon was created by the Welsh and adopted by the Normans/English....and most Norman/English armies recruited and prized Welsh archers.

Either way, i've been waiting for someone to make this....I tried myself, but failed.

Great work though.

Casllwchwr
Llanfairpwllgwyngyll


I think you missed some a, e, o and U somewhere...:lol:
maybe you typed it as a Qwerty keyboard and it was an azerty? :lol:

i'm really impressed by these names, how do you pronounce them?

I think you missed some a, e, o and U somewhere...:lol:
maybe you typed it as a Qwerty keyboard and it was an azerty? :lol:

i'm really impressed by these names, how do you pronounce them?

Often with great difficulty if you don't grow up with it or speak the language.
You do get hilarious amounts of fun trying to teach your English friends to pronounce them...In a non-cruel way of course.:lol:

A unique unit could be a better Long bow man? The weapon was created by the Welsh and adopted by the Normans/English....and most Norman/English armies recruited and prized Welsh archers.

Either way, i've been waiting for someone to make this....I tried myself, but failed.

Great work though.

The UU is a better Longbowman.

I think you missed some a, e, o and U somewhere...:lol:
maybe you typed it as a Qwerty keyboard and it was an azerty? :lol:

i'm really impressed by these names, how do you pronounce them?

OK, you asked for it.

"Llanfairpwllgwyngyll" isn't the real name of the town.

It's actually "Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysilio gogogoch". (Without the space. For some reason the forums made that.))

I just didn't want to torture anyone who intended to play Wales by forcing them to hit backspace thirty times.

And it is known as "Llanfairpwllgwyngyll" (or "Llanfair P. G."), it's pronounced:-

(all "ch"'s are pronounced as in "Loch" as opposed to as in 'chair')

Lan-fire-pool-gwin-gych-gor-gare-ooch-chwin-drob-wych-chlan-tuh-silly-oh-gor-gor-gorch.

Best I can do I'm afraid. Not a phonetics expert!

that's truly,impressive....
i can imagine it is done that way so english can't know where they are and so they lose themselves in wales. Then the governement decide that wales is a forbidden land and no english can enter.....

It means in English "St Mary's church in the hollow of the white hazel near a rapid whirlpool and the church of St Tysilio near the red cave". There were towns called "Llandysiliogogoch", and "Llanfairpwllgwyngyll" ("Church of St Tysilio near the Red Cave" and "St Mary's church in the hollow of the white hazel") close to each other in Victorian Times. When the Industrial revolution occurred they didn't want to put a station in both so they put a station between them (near a rapid whirlpool: "Chwyndrobwyll"), and - as it was near a station - the town grew up, so much so that the original two towns are now suburbs of Llanfair PG.

It's not the biggest named town in Wales, with a town on the Fairbourne Railway known as Gorsafawddacha'idraigodanheddogleddollônpenrhynare urdraethceredigion.

just imagine the guy who fill an application form, and mispell the city name at the end of it....

just imagine the guy who fill an application form, and mispell the city name at the end of it....
Job app?

I thought all Welshies were shepherds... Or, at least, they're very fond of shepe.

Job app?

I thought all Welshies were shepherds... Or, at least, they're very fond of shepe.


More sheep in England...and statistics show that there are more 'relations' across the border. However, best not turn this into a Native V Anglo Saxon debate:lol:

Fear not. I'm not one to defend the Anglo-Saxon-Jutes. It's bad enough I was forced by the sword to speak their heathen tongue. ;)

More sheep in England...and statistics show that there are more 'relations' across the border. However, best not turn this into a Native V Anglo Saxon debate:lol:

Hugely off topic, but have you got an article with those statistics on? I REALLY want to drop the whole "Sheep Lover" (not the real word, but there could be kids here) monniker associated with my English mates :)

Hugely off topic, but have you got an article with those statistics on? I REALLY want to drop the whole "Sheep Lover" (not the real word, but there could be kids here) monniker associated with my English mates :)


Sorry was a bit off topic...but just replying to the one above.

Are there any stats.....to be honest i'd be too afraid to search the net for something like that...., just in case I get directed to a 'specialist' area.

If you're English mates wind you up with those jokes, just say it's why it tastes so good!!!

Or tell them that the breed of sheep that currently are so abundant in Wales and the Uk as a whole, were imported here by their Norman ancestors, specifically from Burgandy.....and then suggest that perhaps the joke is just an historic way of them passing the buck.........:eek: :lol:

Swiftly moving on though........ I've been playing around with this civ, and it's good. I like how the place names are in their Welsh form.
I'm looking forward to a time when we can have custom city graphics, it wood be great to see a city develop into hill fort etc...

Llanfairpwllgwyngyll

how did you get beyond the 15 character limit?

And it is known as "Llanfairpwllgwyngyll" (or "Llanfair P. G."),

It wasn't just me who surpassed 15. ;)

yes, I apologize for my language, for the first time ever I can remember.. I tried loading it and settling the 15th city to see, and it looks the same as I envisioned..

yes, I apologize for my language, for the first time ever I can remember.. I tried loading it and settling the 15th city to see, and it looks the same as I envisioned..

Oh. I thought you meant the forum had a 15 character limit. I know there must be something going on with the forums, since they inserted a space with the "real" name of the city. ;)

great work ! I will build this civ into my scen :)

Oh. I thought you meant the forum had a 15 character limit. I know there must be something going on with the forums, since they inserted a space with the "real" name of the city. ;)

oh, yeah, I had the similar problem when writing out the location of a file, it inserted a space into the middle.. I was pulling my hair out trying to figure out why until I just decided to explain there should be no space like you did

Other major cities with the same name as their English Equivalent: Bangor, Beddgelert, Brecon, Harlech, Llandudno, Llangefni, Merthyr

Sure there's more, and I've missed a few out, but that's what I can think atm. Hope that can be useful for you!

Brecon's welsh name is actually Aberhonddu. I know i live there :)

Aberhonddu? doesn't sound celtic to my ears, but then again, I'm a Gael ;)

Wow, my first post on CivFanatics after 2 years of lurking!!

Aberhonddu is actually a typical Welsh place-name.

Aber means estuary or mouth of river and is found in many Welsh place names - Abertawe (Swansea), Aberystwyth, Abergwaun (Fishguard), Aberdaugleddau (Milford Haven). Just so that you know, the English names for these places come from the Viking names.

So Aberhonddu means 'the mouth of the river Honddu'. Likewise with Aberdaugleddau, meaning 'The Mouth of the two Cleddau Rivers'.

Other characteristics of Welsh place names are 'Llan' (old word for Church) and 'Caer' (fort).

The name of my village is Llandysilio (the Church of St Tysilio).
The word 'llan' is found twice in the infamous lanfairpwllgwyngyllllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysili ogogogoch (yes I did type that myself :P). Llanfair being 'The Church of St Mary' and Llantysilio being (another) 'Church of St Tysilio'

Caer is used in 'Caerfyrddin' (Carmarthen) which means 'Merlin's Fort'. Dispells every rumor as to where Merlin was from :P

If anybody wants any more help with Welsh place names, just let me know. It's great to be able to speak Welsh as your native tongue :)

NATIVE tongue? as opposed to English? Lucky bastard. I envy you :(

I will die with English thoughts in my head.

You can find some "Aber" in Brittany too, because we have the same ancestors, and our language (Brezhoneg) is very close to Welsh (Cymraeg).

We also have lots of Lan (equivalent of Llan, but easier to prononce ;)) and Ker (=Caer).


What about creating an Briton/Welsh Civ, with King Arthur as the leader ?

I speak Briton, and i know a few words of Welsh also (they sound quite similar even if the writing is different).

I just have a single question-Can I buy a Vowel please ;) :mischief:.
Seriously, could you imagine Welsh Scrabble. U's and E's would be worth an absolute TON of points, but L's would be worth almost nothing!!!

Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.

Nice Job!

But Have I missed something or is the Welch longbowman only supposed to be +1 strength?

That's not good enough for a UU i think (Praetorians are +2)

yes but the pretorian is massively strong. overpowered perhaps, thugh representative too.

perhaps the welsh longbow could have extra hills/woods defence and and extra first strike to reresent it's superior range

I am welsh and i would prefer the traditional welsh flag.

download link = broken

my dad grew up in llanfair pg... though i was told he it was llanfair something something something gorgorch. I knew it was a long name. I was quite surprised and excited to find it mentioned here. I've been trying to teach myself welsh but its hard going and i havent been able to get very far. btw my dad doesnt actually speak welsh. Thanks for all the info on the town.:)

http://www.englisch-hilfen.de/images/photos/llanfair2.jpg
voila, this oughta help

You can find some "Aber" in Brittany too, because we have the same ancestors, and our language (Brezhoneg) is very close to Welsh (Cymraeg).

There's also Aberdeen in Scotland.