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CivArmy s. 1994
Nov 28, 2005, 04:22 PM
The file is: http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/Tibet.zip

Civilization: Tibet
Noun: Tibetans
Adjective: Tibetan
Colors: Orange
Starts with: Mysticism and Agriculture
UU: Shaolin Monk (swordsman, 2+ power)


http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/3585/tibet012be.jpg


Title and leader: Dalai Lama Ngawang Gyatso
Leader bonuses: Spiritual and Philosophical
Leader favourite civic: Universal Suffrage


Cities:
Lhasa
Sikkim
Gartokh
Leh
Wuhan
TO BE CONTINUED...


http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/7387/tibet026pz.jpg


http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/8828/tibet036tx.jpg


http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/9901/tibet040pm.jpg

Timberline
Nov 28, 2005, 05:11 PM
Nice! If I can ever figure out how to get a mod to work (I've been trying for several days on Tremo's very well done Nederland one- it's something I'm doing wrong, I think, I'm just not sure what) I will definitely get this one! I'd been half considering making my own Tibetan mod in a month or so once I've figured out how to do more, so you've saved me lots of time!

One city I can think of off the top of my head (which is actually in Bhutan, but then again Sikkim and Leh are technically in India- still a Tibetan culture though) is Thimpu (sometimes spelled Thimbu).

Kudos on a good civ choice!

anjf
Nov 29, 2005, 02:28 PM
it might help with the nederlandse civ that you should change to name of the file to the same name as the ....ini file. Also try to use the download which allows you to install it.

civilleader
Nov 29, 2005, 08:08 PM
Lhasa
Gartokh
Thimpu
Leh
Bowo
Amdo
Sakya
Gertse
Shigatse
Gyantse
Qamdo
Rutog
Baqen
Yakong
Quxu
Dag Chuka
Wuhan


need more?

CivArmy s. 1994
Nov 30, 2005, 12:37 PM
Thanks enjoying the mod friends! :thanx:

@how play: download my file and put the folder on "mod" folder of your Civ4. Teh start the game, go to "advanced" and load the mod :)

@my present city list is this one:

Lhasa
Sikkim
Gartokh
Leh
Wuhan
Iyekundo
Cozhe
Barkhal
Lhari
Gerze
Oma
Nyima
Bamda
Toba
Gomo
Rutog
Barga
Zanda
Zayu
Banbar
Jomda
Namco
Baqen
Barong
Baiyu
Dawu
Darlag
Zaqen
Lhaste
Mangkhang
Gyangtse Town
Gyantse
Bayi
Bowo
Chamdo
Amdo
Tsetang
Xining
Baga
Dongtso
Naqu
Rilong
Ritu
Sakya
Zhangm
Zhongba Shigatse
Gar
Golmud Tingri
Saga
Tsada
Yardong

civilleader
Nov 30, 2005, 08:43 PM
Thanks enjoying the mod friends! :thanx:

@how play: download my file and put the folder on "mod" folder of your Civ4. Teh start the game, go to "advanced" and load the mod :)

@my present city list is this one:

Lhasa
Sikkim
Gartokh
Leh
Wuhan
Iyekundo
Cozhe
Barkhal
Lhari
Gerze
Oma
Nyima
Bamda
Toba
Gomo
Rutog
Barga
Zanda
Zayu
Banbar
Jomda
Namco
Baqen
Barong
Baiyu
Dawu
Darlag
Zaqen
Lhaste
Mangkhang
Gyangtse Town
Gyantse
Bayi
Bowo
Chamdo
Amdo
Tsetang
Xining
Baga
Dongtso
Naqu
Rilong
Ritu
Sakya
Zhangm
Zhongba Shigatse
Gar
Golmud Tingri
Saga
Tsada
Yardong

Gartok is the capital of Sikkim, doesn't make sense to have Sikkim as a city.

Ogedei_the_Mad
Dec 05, 2005, 07:25 PM
Nice addition, CivArmy. :) But "Shaolin Monk" is an odd choice for a Tibetan UU since "Shaolin" is a Chinese martial art and "Warrior Monks" is not unique to Tibetan culture. ;) The UU ought to be the "Khampa Horseman" (replacing Horse Archer). The Khampa were a fierce warrior people that were employed by the rulers of the Tibetan Empire.

alubkin
Dec 05, 2005, 10:14 PM
i agree with the khampa... i like the mod though. I'd like to see another leader.

Ogedei_the_Mad
Dec 05, 2005, 11:00 PM
Songsten Gampo (one of the great "Dharmarajas" of Tibet) would make a great alternative leader. :) By the way, "Songsten" is sometimes spelled as "Songtsen". It doesn't really matter which spelling you use, though. ;)

alubkin
Dec 06, 2005, 09:08 AM
i think i generally see Songtsen

Shqype
Dec 06, 2005, 09:14 AM
Nice addition, CivArmy. But "Shaolin Monk" is an odd choice for a Tibetan UU since "Shaolin" is a Chinese martial art and "Warrior Monks" is not unique to Tibetan culture. The UU ought to be the "Khampa Horseman" (replacing Horse Archer). The Khampa were a fierce warrior people that were employed by the rulers of the Tibetan Empire.
I agree. Plus the current UU is practically the same as the Roman praetorian. It's nice to have diversity in UUs. The LH looks very good though.

CivArmy s. 1994
Dec 06, 2005, 01:27 PM
My pleasure to produce the second leader :D and no probem changing the UU and its power. It can be done in a next version ;) If someone wants post the new leader images/photos, go ahead. I can't make him in few days, but I can use this image/photo as future reference ;)

thanks enjoying and for the tips! :)

Ogedei_the_Mad
Dec 06, 2005, 02:26 PM
Here is an artist's rendition (most likely idealized and not exactly how he looked ;) ):

http://www.rangjung.com/images/King-Songtsen-Gampo.gif

tenzindechen1
Dec 06, 2005, 04:31 PM
Just want to know?
If any of u guys r tibetan and speak tibetan?
I m just wondering :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) ;)

Robo Magic Man
Dec 06, 2005, 04:52 PM
Nice addition, CivArmy. :) But "Shaolin Monk" is an odd choice for a Tibetan UU since "Shaolin" is a Chinese martial art and "Warrior Monks" is not unique to Tibetan culture. ;) The UU ought to be the "Khampa Horseman" (replacing Horse Archer). The Khampa were a fierce warrior people that were employed by the rulers of the Tibetan Empire.

I definitely agree here. It's a great mod, and the leaderhead is fantastic, but shaolin monks really have almost nothing to do with tibet, and the swordsman model doesn't really work for any kind of monk.

CivArmy s. 1994
Dec 08, 2005, 08:10 AM
Just want to know?
If any of u guys r tibetan and speak tibetan?
I m just wondering :) :) :) ;)

No, I'm not and don't speak them linguage.


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thanks for the image reference fellows!
and I can change the UU in the next version ;)

Red Door
Dec 08, 2005, 07:05 PM
I love this civ! I had the best game I've ever had. Now I saved and it won't load the game anymore!:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
Btw, Tibetan isn't a language.

CivArmy s. 1994
Dec 09, 2005, 03:20 PM
I love this civ! I had the best game I've ever had. Now I saved and it won't load the game anymore!:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
Btw, Tibetan isn't a language.


new bug??? :confused:

Thormodr
Dec 10, 2005, 06:20 PM
I love this civ! I had the best game I've ever had. Now I saved and it won't load the game anymore!
Btw, Tibetan isn't a language.

The ignorance of this statement is truly stunning Alcosta15.

Here is some reading material for you:

Tibetan is spoken in Tibet, Bhutan, Nepal, and in parts of northern India (including Sikkim). It is classified by linguists as a member of the Tibeto-Burman subgroup of the Sino-Tibetan languages.

Tibetan is written in a very conservative syllabary script based on the writing system of the ancient Sanskrit language of India. Used in its present form since the 9th century, it was developed as a means of translating sacred Buddhist texts that were being brought into Tibet from India. The writing system derived from the pronunciation of the language as it was in about the 7th century, and varies in many ways from colloquial Tibetan as it spoken today.

And a link:
http://www.dharma-haven.org/tibetan/language.htm

I also don't think Shaolin Monks are appropriate for the Tibetans. Maybe units that get extra bonuses in hills? I do think it would be very cool if the Tibetans had a unique missionary unit somehow. I am not sure what form it would take however. Besides that little quibble, super work CivArmy. ^^

civilleader
Dec 10, 2005, 07:23 PM
Missionaries? WTF? That makes little sense considering that Tibet wasn't really obsessed with missionaries and conversion...maybe more sense with China, and anyway we already have missionary units, for any religion.

Why not use the Indo-Tibetan Border police that the Indian government helped build and train after China captured Tibet. Basically PM Nehru trained these Tibetan soldiers to hope to use to eventually liberate Tibet. Today they serve along with the Indian military along the border. Powerful troops, but maybe not "Tibetan enough" to be considered a Tibetan UU, since they are fighting alongside India.

Ogedei_the_Mad
Dec 10, 2005, 08:04 PM
I still say that Khampa Horsemen are the best choice for a Tibetan UU. Another alternative would be an archer. Tibetans were also good archers. :)

The funny thing about Tibet is that people (both East and West ;) ) keep associating it with all sorts of fantastical spiritual paradise, which is actually quite demeaning to Tibetan heritage. Historically, Tibet was a signifcant regional power as well as a powerful threat to the Chinese Empire in the imperial era.

Thormodr
Dec 10, 2005, 08:51 PM
Well the Tibetans certainly had their day in the sun militarily.

During the reign of King Trisong Detsen (755-97) the Tibetan Empire was at its peak and its armies invaded China and several Central Asian countries. In 763 the Tibetans seized the then Chinese capital at Ch'ang-an (present day Xian). As the Chinese Emperor had fled, the Tibetans appointed a new Emperor. This memorable victory has been preserved for posterity in the Zhol Doring (stone pillar) in Lhasa and reads, in part:

"King Trisong Detsen, being a profound man, the breadth of his counsel was extensive, and whatever he did for the kingdom was completely successful. He conguered and held under his sway many districts and fortresses of China. The Chinese Emperor, Hehu Ki Wang and his ministers were terrified. They offered a perpetual yearly tribute of 50,000 rolls of silk and China was obliged to pay this tribute

http://www.friends-of-tibet.org.nz/tibet.html

What's the big deal if Tibet gets a unique missionary unit? India has a unique unit that's a worker. :P Tibet converted the Mongols to Buddhism. Quite an impressive feat if you ask me. :)


(http://www.innermongolia.org/english/tibetan_buddhism.htm)

Archers or horsemen are good ideas. Maybe something with bonuses in hill tiles and maybe forests.
I suppose if you want something else you are right about the CIA training Guerilla fighters for Tibet. Fascinating read. ^^


http://www.tibetnews.com/bulletin/99Issue1/page23. (http://www.tibetnews.com/bulletin/99Issue1/page23.)
http://www.friendsoftibet.org/databank/usdefence/usd7.html

alubkin
Dec 27, 2005, 12:49 PM
I've got to agree with the Khampa Horsemen... as someone or other put it, they are kind of like the Tibetan "cowboy".

As to leaders, i'm all for Siddhartha. The leaderhead would be something like this: http://www.ebudhaindia.com/images/bw_head.jpg (not tubby Buddha).

As to whomever asked if any of us are Tibetan, no i'm not either... I'm actually a Jew, but I studied Tibet for a while because I was interested in the similarities between their Holocaust and ours.

guillem
Jul 17, 2006, 09:52 AM
If any of u guys r tibetan and speak tibetan?

yes (write no problem i have an english/tibetan diccionary but the alphabet is diferent)

for speech i can try if it's short

for exemple: la gyalo, dé tamché pham
tashi delek : hello
for other exemples you can contact a buddhist center...

good's wins, evil's are lose (when people end pelegrinatge at Mount Kailash for exemple)

PS : news for adding this civ in others packs or in news versions of CIV IV 1.61...

monaco i
Jul 17, 2006, 07:35 PM
How do u get it into ur game once you have the zip file?