View Full Version : Did Hitler Murder anyone personally?


Stylesjl
Nov 30, 2005, 09:15 PM
We know that Adolf Hitler and his gang was responsible for the death of millions of jews and the most destructive war in human history by their orders, but did the man ever actually kill anyone himself?

Bugfatty300
Nov 30, 2005, 09:23 PM
There is speculation that he killed or had something to do with the death of his niece who apparently committed suicide in a inconsistent manner (shot in the chest). This was back during the brown shirt days of the Nazis.

Then again he was also in WWI. So he may have killed quite a few individuals during his time in the trenches.

sydhe
Nov 30, 2005, 10:17 PM
Hitler was a dispatch carrier on the front, which was a dangerous job. He was shot at least once and was gassed on another occasion. I don't know if he ever fired at the enemy.

Nobody
Nov 30, 2005, 10:43 PM
Probably killed someone during ww1, but thats not murder.

Didn't he kill his wife? also it wouldnt surprise me if he executed some personally.

DBear
Dec 01, 2005, 01:38 AM
What does it matter? Did Stalin kill anyone personally? Mao? Pol Pot?

Zardnaar
Dec 01, 2005, 01:48 AM
Stalin did, I think Mao did, not sure about Pol Pot.

Snow
Dec 01, 2005, 01:54 AM
Who did Stalin personally kill? When? Before he rose to power or after? I've never heard this before so I'm curious.

Zardnaar
Dec 01, 2005, 02:08 AM
Stalin was a brigand who used to raid towns, banks etc in Georgia before WW1. People died and if he didn't personally kill someone he would have at least been there when it happened. He was also personally involved in operation in the Russian civil war in Volgograd (later Stalingrad) where it would seem he was highly likely to be involved in executing white russians. He may have actually killed no one personally but seems highly likely he did. Stalin lied alot about his early days and hid/destroyed alot of records from that era.
When he died the Soviets basically packed everything of his into storage for 40+ years. Alot of his personal effects have survived including notes as opposed to say Hitler.

Stylesjl
Dec 01, 2005, 02:28 AM
What does it matter? Did Stalin kill anyone personally? Mao? Pol Pot?

Because it is interesting to note that some of the worlds greatest murderers probaly never directly killed anyone because most mass murderers use ordinary people or cronies to do it for them

bombshoo
Dec 01, 2005, 07:11 PM
Hitler killed his dog Blondie....Does that count?.....


Mao was a guerrilla leader, so probably killed people in war, same with Pol Pot, again though, thats not murdur.

Some speculate Stalin killed his 2nd wife. They had a fight at dinner, he threw some food at her, then she went home and "committed suicide"..Its also believed he was responsible for Lenin's death. I wouldnt be suprised if he personally poisoned him.

Stalin's head of secret police, Beria, might have personally killed the most people ever, some put it in the thousands. I guess he was a cronie of Stalin, but not like a soldier or something...

I would bet alot of these people did commit murdur, but no hard evidence, its mostly guessing, some espeically Stalin definatly had the stomach for it. I can't see him hesitating to shoot someone.

Plotinus
Dec 01, 2005, 07:50 PM
I believe Saddam Hussein committed a number of murders before his rise to power, if that's relevant.

Panda
Dec 02, 2005, 07:45 AM
Eva Braun took a cyanide pill. That's suicide. AFAIK, Hitler didn't personally kill anyone after his ascend to power. Neither did Himmler, who almost vomited when he saw bodies.

Stalin is said to have strangled on of his sons. He definitely let another son die in German captivity when he refused a prisoner exchange.

Tank_Guy#3
Dec 02, 2005, 09:08 AM
Probably during the First World War. Even though he was a runner, I'm sure he was called upon to take up the rifle at times.

silver 2039
Dec 02, 2005, 09:50 AM
I was under the impression that Hitler was an artillery officer during WWI

nonconformist
Dec 02, 2005, 10:46 AM
HItler got an Iron Cross for capturing a number of Allied soliders, AFAIK.

~Corsair#01~
Dec 02, 2005, 11:10 AM
Some speculate Stalin killed his 2nd wife. They had a fight at dinner, he threw some food at her, then she went home and "committed suicide"..Its also believed he was responsible for Lenin's death. I wouldnt be suprised if he personally poisoned him.
Stalin's wife was mentally unbalanced and very ill. Suicide seems likely. As for Lenin... I have never heard of any evidence saying he poisoned him.

Darth_Pugwash
Dec 02, 2005, 11:26 AM
I don't know if he killed anyone personally, but apparently Hitler threw up when he visited a concentration camp, IIRC.

nonconformist
Dec 02, 2005, 11:38 AM
I believe that was Himmler.

silver 2039
Dec 02, 2005, 11:50 AM
Stalin's wife was mentally unbalanced and very ill. Suicide seems likely. As for Lenin... I have never heard of any evidence saying he poisoned him.

Lenin had a stroke did he not? Or was it a brain tumor...? I get confused between the aliments of world leaders.

Adler17
Dec 03, 2005, 02:02 AM
To my knowledge Hitler didn´t kill anyone. Stalin killing Lenin? Never heard. However his son was captured by the Germans in 1941. The Germans proposed to exchange him with one random German captive. However Stalin, who had troubles with his son (I can understand his son...), declined as saying it was duty to die and not being captured. IIRC his son commited suicide in 1943. IMO Stalin is responsible for his death and I can´t explain, why a father is able to do that. But hey, it was Stalin. So it is no wonder that he wife became ill.

Adler

Zardnaar
Dec 03, 2005, 04:38 AM
Stalins son that died in captivity was from his 1st marrage (maybe his 2nd???). His wife that topped herself in 32 or so was depressed etc. Stalin wasn't the best husband in the world but ironically was verbally abused bu his wife

~Corsair#01~
Dec 03, 2005, 06:47 AM
To my knowledge Hitler didnīt kill anyone. Stalin killing Lenin? Never heard. However his son was captured by the Germans in 1941. The Germans proposed to exchange him with one random German captive. However Stalin, who had troubles with his son (I can understand his son...), declined as saying it was duty to die and not being captured. IIRC his son commited suicide in 1943. IMO Stalin is responsible for his death and I canīt explain, why a father is able to do that. But hey, it was Stalin. So it is no wonder that he wife became ill.
afaik They offered to exchange him for Marshall Paullus, and Stalin refused "because a [son's rank] wasn't worth a General". His cause of death is unknown- could've been suicide, could've been anything.

Shame, could've been a lot easier on the Soviets if Paullus was in command of German forces again... Assuming the Nazis weren't just going to shoot him.

nonconformist
Dec 03, 2005, 07:26 AM
Stalin refused to let his son out, because he had disobeyed the "Not oOne Step Back" order-i.e he was tait to the Soviet Union.
His death was, IIRC,by running for the wire.
In any case, Field-Marshall Paulus wouldn't have returned to the Reich (nor wouldthe Soviet have let him), since Paulus, after his capture, founded the German brigades of the Red Army.

Blanco-PL
Dec 06, 2005, 04:28 PM
Who did Stalin personally kill? When? Before he rose to power or after? I've never heard this before so I'm curious.

maybe... he fought in Polish-Russo war in 20th years.

Stylesjl
Dec 06, 2005, 06:31 PM
What about the beer hall uprising, did he shoot anybody there?

Swiss Bezerker
Dec 06, 2005, 06:56 PM
Who did Stalin personally kill? When? Before he rose to power or after? I've never heard this before so I'm curious.

Stalin intentionally gave Trotsky the wrong date for lenins funeral, but that does not exactly count...

craig9897
Dec 07, 2005, 08:06 AM
Hitler killed at least one person person:
his young niece and lover Geli

craig9897
Dec 07, 2005, 08:08 AM
It was Himmler that puked. It was Hitler who refused to look at photo's of dead bodies....yet hitler also watched films of Jews being experimented, aka tortured, on a NIGHTLY basis.

craig9897
Dec 07, 2005, 08:11 AM
Hitler did not kill anyone in the beer hall, he shot a blast strait into the air.
FYI, seven of Hitler's mistresses and girlfriends 'comitted suicide'. This includes Geli, who was murdered by her Uncle Adolf.

Hornblower
Dec 07, 2005, 09:45 AM
I was under the impression that Hitler was an artillery officer during WWI

No not an officer. A corporal by war's end though. Which would explain his distaste and distrust for most of the officers of the OKW when he came to power.