Hello Fanatikos and welcome to the Presidential Office Suite. This will be the place ask any question, talk about where our nation is going, or simply stop by for links and info. As President, I have the important duty of leading our nation to victory and I hope to get close (or win) by the end of this term. If we all work together (and post) we can do amazing things. :)

If you want to be my Deputy or want to fill in a vacant office, please PM me. I hope to have all offices filled before the first turnchat.

President: greekguy
Vice President (Deputy): None, PM me if you want to be deputy

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Fanatikos Budget 1100 AD

505 gold in treasury
+2 gold per turn
Science funding: 90%
Luxury funding: 0%

Top Priorities for next Turnchat


Budget After Money Spent

Always leave a cushion of at least 250 gold for a rainy day

National Goals
-Enter the Industrial Age and reach (at the minimum) the technology Replaceable Parts Accomplished Partly
-War with Rome and capture 1 Roman city to add to our nation Accomplished
-Raze, pillage, and burn Rome until, they are for all intents and purposes, our vassels Accomplished
-Create production powerhouses with our 5 jewels by building hospitals to bring their populations past size 12 Not Accomplished
-Overtake 2nd Place and hopefully 1st place on the Scoreboard Not Accomplished

I would like to make my first official announcement now. It is with great honor that I appoint TimBentley to the office of Expatriate Governor. He has already PMed me asking for the office, and i will glady oblige. I am confident he will do an excellent job this term!

All budget requests for this term should be made in this thread. If you want money for something, please post in this thread. Thank You. Budget Info and Presidential Goals for the Term will be in the 2nd post of this thread.

Thanks for the appointment. I'd like to request a temple rush in Besancon for 208 gold.

Congratulations TimBently, I was going to suggest you for the job as you were not around to accept your nomination.

Mr President, on the Budget requests, Basancon is in real need for culture so I urge you to put TimBently's request at the top of the priority list. It may well then be worth holding back sufficient gold for Knight upgrades is we manage to get any Saltpetre. As our Hoplites are the equivalent of Spearmen, Hoplites to Muskets will be very expensive.

Alright, I will put Governor TimBentley's request as a high priority, as it is the only budget request made so far!

I also would like to say that I have received an application for FA Minister, but I am still accepting applications for FA Minister and Governor of Priapos until Sunday at 12 PM (my time). If you want either of these positions (even if you are already governor, you can hold multiple offices, remember) please don't hesitate to PM me.

Mr. President,

If I might make a small suggestion, the people seem to need guidance on our short term and longer term goals, perhaps in the form of discussions to help us find our way. We could also use a refresher on policies decided during previous administrations which carry forward into this term. :)

Mr. President,

I would like to make a small but important budget request. Our army must advance if we hope to survive any war. We still have a single swordman left instead of only Medieval infantry. A swordman doesn't have an incredibly high chance in defeating a pikeman yet an MDI has a much better chance. I request upgrading this last swordsman to the rank of Medieval infantry.

-Minister of Defense, vikingruler

Mr. President,

I would like to make a small but important budget request. Our army must advance if we hope to survive any war. We still have a single swordman left instead of only Medieval infantry. A swordman doesn't have an incredibly high chance in defeating a pikeman yet an MDI has a much better chance. I request upgrading this last swordsman to the rank of Medieval infantry.

-Minister of Defense, vikingruler

Having a powerful standing military at all times is something I would like to have this term, and swordsman are obsolete at this point in the game. Thus, I will make the upgrade of our last Swordsman to a MDI a priority for the next TC. If someone could tell me how much cash this would cost, I can get the specifics into the budget.

Mr. President,

If I might make a small suggestion, the people seem to need guidance on our short term and longer term goals, perhaps in the form of discussions to help us find our way. We could also use a refresher on policies decided during previous administrations which carry forward into this term. :)

Thanks, your post has lit up a lightbulb in my brain. I'll post a thread on an important decision we will soon have to make momentarily.

EDIT: ok, thread now up.

The remaining swordsman is elite, and would have a chance of creating a leader. The cost to upgrade it to a MDI is 30g.

The remaining swordsman is elite, and would have a chance of creating a leader. The cost to upgrade it to a MDI is 30g.

oh, i didn't realize that our last sword was elite. in that case i don't think an upgrade would be a good idea. thanks for the info.

Yes, it's Elite, that is why it wasn't upgraded with the rest. There will still be opportunities to try for that leader so I wouldn't upgrade it now.

Hmmm. It's like Deja Vu all over again...

~ Yogi Berra

Priaptos should build... What? more Knights, Wealth, palace prebuild?

Attention Fanatiks! After all the applicants have sent in applications (2 people) I have now made my decisions for government appointments.

I officially appoint DaveShack Minister of Foreign Affairs.

I officially appoint admiral-bell Governor of Priapos.

I wish both officers best wishes and good luck in this term. May they bring glory and prosperity to Fanatikos!

Priaptos should build... What? more Knights, Wealth, palace prebuild?

well, i don't have the save up right now, but since we will be going to war with Rome sooner rather than later, go with knights.

Mr President.

I intend to build a Courthouse followed by a Bank in the Augean Stables before turning the production over to Military for the upcoming Roman War. I am putting these builds in now to maximise the use of our Golden Age and set us up for reduced corruption and greater gold income for our future war. I therefore have the following request to achieve this as quickly as possible during our Golden Age:

I wish to request one NATIVE Worker that has just finished on the mountain by the Augean Stables to join the city on turn 0 of the next session. This will take the city to size 12 to maximise the potential of our Golden Age. Without this additional citizen it will take a long time for the city to grow and there is very little for our Workers to do at the moment, particularly with the recent influx of migrant French Workers. The additional citizen will allow the Courthouse to be completed one turn earlier (3 turns instead of 4).

I also request one Native Worker (or the equivalent in French migrants) to remain with the city to chop the last remaining Forest within the city limits. This will again allow 1 turn to removed from the build time of the Bank (6 turns instead of 7).

The joining of the Worker and chopping of the forest will reduce the build time from 11 to 9 turns. If a Bank is built before the courthouse, the Worker is not joined and the forest is not chopped it would take 8 turns just to build the Bank!

The remaining Workers can be released to the national pool, or if there is nothing for them to do they could mine the unirrigated plains around the city.

I hope that you will grant my request as I believe that this is in the best interest of Fanatikos

Furiey, Governor of The Augean Stables

Mr President.

I intend to build a Courthouse followed by a Bank in the Augean Stables before turning the production over to Military for the upcoming Roman War. I am putting these builds in now to maximise the use of our Golden Age and set us up for reduced corruption and greater gold income for our future war. I therefore have the following request to achieve this as quickly as possible during our Golden Age:

I wish to request one NATIVE Worker that has just finished on the mountain by the Augean Stables to join the city on turn 0 of the next session. This will take the city to size 12 to maximise the potential of our Golden Age. Without this additional citizen it will take a long time for the city to grow and there is very little for our Workers to do at the moment, particularly with the recent influx of migrant French Workers. The additional citizen will allow the Courthouse to be completed one turn earlier (3 turns instead of 4).

I also request one Native Worker (or the equivalent in French migrants) to remain with the city to chop the last remaining Forest within the city limits. This will again allow 1 turn to removed from the build time of the Bank (6 turns instead of 7).

The joining of the Worker and chopping of the forest will reduce the build time from 11 to 9 turns. If a Bank is built before the courthouse, the Worker is not joined and the forest is not chopped it would take 8 turns just to build the Bank!

The remaining Workers can be released to the national pool, or if there is nothing for them to do they could mine the unirrigated plains around the city.

I hope that you will grant my request as I believe that this is in the best interest of Fanatikos

Furiey, Governor of The Augean Stables

request granted. anything that saves production turns sounds like a good idea to me!

btw, i posted my instructions.

Thank you Mr President.

One more point, I have noticed that the Persians have Astronomy therefore it may be worth starting the prebuild in Priapos in preparation for us trading for it. If the University is completed first (2 turns), the Palace prebuild will give us a further 12 turns before we need to trade for Astronomy. At maximum production of 30gpt after corruption it will take a total of 14 turns to complete Copernicus which will be timed nicely for the end of our Golden Age.

Mr President,

Apologies for the double post, but I have just noticed in your instructions that you say not to change from 70% science. I urge you to reconsider this and allow the slider to be lowered if the tech can still be achieved in the same number of turns. We can currently lower the slider to 10% science and still get Democracy in 1 putting 289 gold into our coffers compared to a mere 49 at 70%. At 70% our next tech Chemistry will only take 7 turns so the same the slider may well be able to be lowered in the last few turns for that tech as well.

edit: you may also wish to confirm with Governor Ravensfire that he needs workers for Olympus before allocating them, as with the excess of food in the city the Forests give the maximum production and should not be chopped. Priapos on the other hand has a Worker in the city waiting to be joined so that the city will maximise the Golden Age and both for gpt and production for Copurnicus. If we are not at war, some of the French slaves from Paris (there's 9 of them) may be useful to blockade that land from re-settling if there is no other task for them.

I agree with Furiey, and also the 10% lux is not needed; in fact, Berlin will still be in WLTKD with 0% lux.

Alright, I'll edit my instructions with your suggestions.

btw, i like the idea for a palace pre-build in Priapos, now that i know we want to get Copernicus fast and furious, but where should i post that? i would probably request it in the Priapos gov. thread, but i do believe one doesn't exist. so where should i post this to make it policy? thanks!

The Governor is responsible for build queues so admiral-bell needs to make the instruction and should have posted a city thread. You'll need to contact admiral-bell. If he doesn't post instructions it is up to the DP what is done, in that case a discussion in the citizens forum will help to show the DP what the people wish. I'm sure the judiciary will be able to answer you in more detail.

I've updated the 2nd post of this thread with the current budget. If any officials have any requests, please feel free to make them here.

Also, I would like to have a rough estimate from Defense Minister vikingruler and Foreign Minister DaveShack of when we will be able to go to war with Rome. This would be when we are logistically ready for a long campaign troop wise and ready to attack with minimal diplomatic damage to our repuatation.

-greekguy, President of the Fanatiks

I feel possibly next TC, probably mid may or towards the end however. We should make sure all available units are in position and most of our units are completley healed, really all should be. The only problem is, as of now, the poll for what roman city we capture is tied and unless a majority is reached we won't have a target city, really making the war useless. Hopefully a consensus will be reached. Still, next TC is really quite lofty, but with proper planning and execution next TC is a viable goal. Lastly, it depends how long the TC is, hopefully a nice 10 turn one is ideal otherwise we might hold off until two TCs from now.

Mr President,

May I ask what the logic is behind our current science rate? Last session it was 70%, it was dropped to 60% at the end of the session to get more gold but still get Chemistry in the same time and now it is to stay at 60%. At the same time we are making over 100gpt and doing nothing with it! What are we saving the money for? If we don't need it for anything why not research fasther - the Persians are catching us up!. If we are saving it for something (rushing culture in the new Roman city, upgrades), then we need to acknowledge how much we'll need rather than just keep a minimum of 250 gold. We really should have some discussion on our strategy.

Also if the vote changes posted in the thread are taken into account the poll is Rome 6, Antium 5.

To aid in the attack against Muskets which we will meet in whichever city we attack, the Augen Stables is using the last of our Golden Age to produce a few Trebuchet before starting back on Knights as well as completing the Bank to help our future finances.

Mr President,

May I ask what the logic is behind our current science rate? Last session it was 70%, it was dropped to 60% at the end of the session to get more gold but still get Chemistry in the same time and now it is to stay at 60%. At the same time we are making over 100gpt and doing nothing with it! What are we saving the money for? If we don't need it for anything why not research fasther - the Persians are catching us up!. If we are saving it for something (rushing culture in the new Roman city, upgrades), then we need to acknowledge how much we'll need rather than just keep a minimum of 250 gold. We really should have some discussion on our strategy.


Very well, I will increase the science rate for the next chat. I just assumed that since last chat we decided we would lower the science rate and get more gold, we were going to stick with the low science funding.

The science rate was lowered in the last chat as we could still get the tech in the same time at the lower rate, keeping at the higher rate would therefore have been a waste of gold. This is usually the case over the last turn or two of any tech. I could not attend the last chat, but from what I remember of the comments there were questions asked as to why we could not raise the rate higher than 70% to get the techs more quickly. But are we going for a fast tech pace? a slow tech pace? something that is neither one thing nor the other? We have been relying in the past on getting techs from the great library and selling techs that we research first. We are soon no longer going to be able to do that as the Persians are overtaking us in the tech race - they beat us to Chemistry, have Astronomy are already researching Banking and have lots of gpt as well. If we are not going to lead the research with a high tech pace ourselves then we must trade like mad (and we're not too good at that) with a low research pace ourselves so we have the gold to do it. Alternatively we need to carefully target our research on the techs the AI will not research. The decision on this should not be made in the chat (just slight adjustments so we don't waste gold) but the discussion needs to be held in the forum. Our Golden Age will soon also end so how fast we can afford to research will drop sharply, if we have enough gold for upgrades and rushes already how about a burst of research before it does so.

I hope this makes sense, but I have flu at the moment and concentration is difficult. I am just one person though and this does need to have everyone's input.

The workers at Berlin are almost done with what is necessary to improve there. I would prefer to have 3 workers at Berlin (the 3 that are mining a tile there), and 6 at Besancon.

I'd like to request 332 gold to partially rush a cathedral in Besancon via a colosseum. The city can finish the remaining 40 shields in 4 turns.

I'd like to request 332 gold to partially rush a cathedral in Besancon via a colosseum. The city can finish the remaining 40 shields in 4 turns.

Your request is granted Governor. Making Besancon culturally stable, for it to not flip to any other civ, is worth spending a few hundred gold. If any other official would like to make a budget request, please feel free to do so in this thread. I also edited the second post of this thread with new budget information.

Also, after looking at the save, I have concluded that war with Rome should probably be declared next turnchat. However, our nation has to agree on that, so I would like all citizens to voice their comments, especially our Minister of Defense.

-greekguy, President of the Fanatiks

Mr. President,

The opcoming war will surely present multiple chances for a great leader to appear among our troops. Please consider starting a discussion now on how we might use such a person.

Thanks,
-- Ravensfire

Mr. President,

The opcoming war will surely present multiple chances for a great leader to appear among our troops. Please consider starting a discussion now on how we might use such a person.

Thanks,
-- Ravensfire


Thanks for the suggestion. I'll put up a discussion thread and instructions for the upcoming chat today. :)

EDIT: thread is up...i'll post instructions later today.

Mr President,

We are allowing an opportunity to slip through our fingers by not attacking the Roman Empire to acquire saltpeter. If we are not willing to use this opportunity, then it could mean our permanent relegation to minor power status, and possibly conquest at the hands of our continental neighbors.

Please consider using your position to force this issue to be resolved one way or the other before any more in-game time is allowed to pass. The window during which Cavalry are useful is very short, and if we miss that window the next opportunity for a fast attack unit which is even comparable to its contemporary defensive unit will be Tanks vs Infantry.

A new government thread has been posted, and I encourage all citizens to vote in the poll.

Also, I would like the Minister of Defense to add any changes that must be done to the warplan, now that Rome has conquered several more German cities. War will be declared next Turnchat, and I want a final plan that would be usable for the upcoming war.

-greekguy, President of the Fanatiks

EDIT: also updated our Nation's budget in the 2nd post of this thread.

President greekguy.

I have given authority in the TCIT for the DP to rush troops if there are funds available. In particular to rush the currently being build Cavalry the turn before we declare (assuming we do not declare immediately) so that a new one can be started before we lose the Saltpetre. I also gave permission to rush other troops if necessary to allow the DP to do so if it is appropraite.

We are likely to have to drop our research when we lose the gpt from Rome anyway, but it may be worth giving the DP flexible instructions with regards to the slider so they can make adjustments to allow for rushes if necessary.

Greetings Fanatikos,

I would like to apologize for not being very active as President for the past week or so. This was mostly due to the Civ 4 DemoGame starting up, and my loss of drive to continue DG7. This will be the last office I hold in a Civ 3 DemoGame, as I already won my first Civ 4 Election, and will be busy over there. I will still participate here as a citizen until we finish this game, however. It was an honor to be your President for a term, and I hope we manage to finish this game. Thank You.

-greekguy, President of the Fanatiks