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Die_Spieler
Dec 05, 2005, 01:36 PM
I got a problem with the religions feature. I started a new game, and develop a type of religion as the types of paganism, organized religion, and all that. but when it finished, the outcome religion was the judaism! I didn't selected that, so, I try the "convert religion" button and It won't let me change form judaism to christianity or any other religion!:sad: So, I tried to change to free religion or something like that, it didn't work out. Then paganism, the same. Then I tried again to change the religion and I couldn't. I "founded" judaism in other city that is not my capitalm and then as I build roads, it starts to spread! Does anybody knows how to fix this? Or I will terribly have to start over a new game?? :eek:

Thanks for your help.
Horst

werttrew
Dec 05, 2005, 01:54 PM
If you don't want Judaism as your official religion, hit F7 and select on the top row one of the other religions (if available). I think there is a way to revert back to Paganism, too, although I can't recall. Note that just because you've discovered a religion doesn't necessarily mean it is the official religion of your civ. F7 will tell you what the official religion is.

Hit F3 to change your civics. Organized religion is the second choice on the fifth row--put it to the first choice on that row if you want no religious civic.

Note, however, that having an official religion like Judaism is usually better, in game terms, than having no religion.

Geostrophic
Dec 05, 2005, 02:32 PM
You can't switch to a religion that isn't present in any of your cities (so if Christianity isn't present in any of your cities, you can't convert to that religion). Organized religion, paganism, free religion etc. are civics, not religions. I'm pretty sure you can switch to having no state religion on the religion selection screen.

Die_Spieler
Dec 05, 2005, 02:44 PM
Yeah well. I know that is better having judaism than not having one. But the fact here, is that I don't want judaism. Maybe it could have been another religion, and I would try to change it. I will try to set an "official religion" and the organized religion setting to see if I can change to another one. I would really thank you if you can recall the exact steps (if there are any) to change from one religion to another. :mischief:

Thanks a lot! :D

Zhahz
Dec 05, 2005, 02:49 PM
As stated, you have to have that religion present in your empire to be able to switch to it. You can't simply select any religion you want. You need to research and found it or otherwise have it in your lands via natural spread of AI missionary action.

Press F7, click on the icon for the religion you want (you will only be able to select religions you're eligible to use), and click convert. You get some anarchy when doing this.

madmaven
Dec 05, 2005, 02:49 PM
I might be reading this post wrong but...

You have to discover the religion you want. Regardless, they are all the same.

Organized religion is just a civic option. It gives you bonuses to cities that have your state religion and the units those cities produce. And, you can't use those civics until you discover the technology that gives them.

When the game starts you start with paganism. You can discover a religion or you might get one from your neighbor, but you're still on paganism as a civic. Once you discover organized religion (feudalism?) you can start using it.

Die_Spieler
Dec 05, 2005, 02:55 PM
Ok, so what you guys are trying to tell me is that I CAN NOT use a religion until I research it, or discover it, or some AI spreads it into my empire?

But, does it matter that I discovered feudalism, and I developed "Judaism" and it was founded on one of my cities before other empire did?

Thanks.

Eastshire
Dec 05, 2005, 03:43 PM
There are 7 religions in the game: Buddism, Hinduism, Judism, Christianity, Confucism, Islam, and Taoism. There is no game play difference between them.

There are 5 religious civics in the game: pagenism, organized religion, theocracy, free religion, and one I can't think of off hand. The civics are what make a game play difference.

Generally, you will chose as a state religion which ever religion is in the most cities in your empire, but you chose your civic depending on what effects you want.

Proteus
Dec 05, 2005, 04:39 PM
I might be reading this post wrong but...

You have to discover the religion you want. Regardless, they are all the same.

Organized religion is just a civic option. It gives you bonuses to cities that have your state religion and the units those cities produce. And, you can't use those civics until you discover the technology that gives them.

When the game starts you start with paganism. You can discover a religion or you might get one from your neighbor, but you're still on paganism as a civic. Once you discover organized religion (feudalism?) you can start using it.

Itīs monotheism which gives you organized religion,
the same tech that also gives you judaism ;)

Ok, so what you guys are trying to tell me is that I CAN NOT use a religion until I research it, or discover it, or some AI spreads it into my empire?

But, does it matter that I discovered feudalism, and I developed "Judaism" and it was founded on one of my cities before other empire did?

Thanks.

O f course it gives you benefits if you are the founder of a religion.
If you get a great prophet you can use him to build a shrine in the city where the religion was founded and having a shrine for a certain religion gives you 1 gold/turn for every city in the world that has this religion (even if it is part of an AI empire).
Religious civics like organized religion also let you see all the cities on the world that have your state religion no matter if they belong to your empire or another empire, you even see cities that aquire your state religion if they are positioned in the black, undiscovered parts of the map (with seeing I mean, that you can constanly observe any acitvities in and around the cities with your state religion, just as if you had a military unit in each of them)

Thatīs why I always try to get hinduism and(or judaism as religions (being the first religions you can found, apart from buddhism which nearly always goes to an AI civ with mysticism as starting tech)

Die_Spieler
Dec 05, 2005, 07:52 PM
Ok. Thanks. I have played like 6 hours since I last posted, and I finally did realize that I got judaism is because I founded it. And that I can NOT choose any religion I want (would be great ;) ). I was destroying some barbarian longbow archers , and then I saw my neighbors, the French, sending a "Confussian" missionary (or whatever), into my capital and then the advisor told me that Confussianism (or whatever) had spread in my capital. And THEN, I can change my religion, BUT only in my capital have confussianism, and in the rest of the cities I have judaism. Guess I have to send missionaries to the other cities to spread Confussianism. I have the "open borders" treaty with the french, by the way.

Greetings.

Artanis
Dec 05, 2005, 07:58 PM
Ok. Thanks. I have played like 6 hours since I last posted, and I finally did realize that I got judaism is because I founded it. And that I can NOT choose any religion I want (would be great ;) ). I was destroying some barbarian longbow archers , and then I saw my neighbors, the French, sending a "Confussian" missionary (or whatever), into my capital and then the advisor told me that Confussianism (or whatever) had spread in my capital. And THEN, I can change my religion, BUT only in my capital have confussianism, and in the rest of the cities I have judaism. Guess I have to send missionaries to the other cities to spread Confussianism. I have the "open borders" treaty with the french, by the way.

Greetings.
Send Jewish Missionaries into French territory instead. Since you control the Jewish Holy City, once you put a Shrine there (using a Great Prophet), you'll get money for every city with Judaism, including the French ones you spread it to! :borg:

Meanwhile, the French will probably be doing the same thing and spreading Confucianism to your cities, so he'll do a lot of that work for you, and you can go back later and convert any cities the French miss ;)

Pragmatic
Dec 06, 2005, 08:58 AM
Die Spieler, do you just don't want to have Judaism in your cities? If you don't, just open up WorldBuilder (Ctrl-W, I seem to recall), select City Edit mode, and delete Judaism from each of your cities, including the Holy City status. This late in the game, no-one will discover it.

I, personally, like to collect religions. Not counting Holy City benefits (since you probably WON'T get all seven on higher difficulty levels), each religion provides culture to your city, each religion allows the building of its own temple (+1 happy plus culture), each religion allows the building of its own monastery (+10% science plus culture plus missionary building), each religion can get its own cathedral, and so on.

However, I can understand that some people have personal or cultural objections to certain religions. I, for instance, rationalize my pursuit of Islam by saying it's the religion of "Dark Ages" Babylon or Spain, when the religion was the caretaker of science and culture. (I don't know enough about Taoism, Confucianism, or Hinduism, and I kind of consider Buddhism to be goofy. I really like the three "religions of the book," however. And I pursue Hinduism as the most likely of the two early religions to get.)

So, anyway, if you don't like a certain religion, just edit it out of your game. Unlike most "cheats," this is one that will hinder you, so it's not too bad.

Die_Spieler
Dec 06, 2005, 04:27 PM
Die Spieler, do you just don't want to have Judaism in your cities? If you don't, just open up WorldBuilder (Ctrl-W, I seem to recall), select City Edit mode, and delete Judaism from each of your cities, including the Holy City status. This late in the game, no-one will discover it.

I, personally, like to collect religions. Not counting Holy City benefits (since you probably WON'T get all seven on higher difficulty levels), each religion provides culture to your city, each religion allows the building of its own temple (+1 happy plus culture), each religion allows the building of its own monastery (+10% science plus culture plus missionary building), each religion can get its own cathedral, and so on.

However, I can understand that some people have personal or cultural objections to certain religions. I, for instance, rationalize my pursuit of Islam by saying it's the religion of "Dark Ages" Babylon or Spain, when the religion was the caretaker of science and culture. (I don't know enough about Taoism, Confucianism, or Hinduism, and I kind of consider Buddhism to be goofy. I really like the three "religions of the book," however. And I pursue Hinduism as the most likely of the two early religions to get.)

So, anyway, if you don't like a certain religion, just edit it out of your game. Unlike most "cheats," this is one that will hinder you, so it's not too bad.



Hey nice point....I will try it :p