****NEW ActualQuotes for Warlords can be found here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=181857).

****Most recent vanilla version can be found here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=167074).


This mod replaces the original leader-specific diplomacy text with text based around things these leaders’ real-life counterparts actually said –- some famous quotes, and some not so famous. All quotes have been implemented as seamlessly as possible, so as to become a natural part of the text. Many quotes have been paraphrased or tweaked to make this possible.

I have tried to retain much of the light, humourous tone of the vanilla text, however some of the more outragous silliness is gone (no more caesar salad or kumbaya).

Not all leaders have a complete "set" of new text, but everyone has at least one quote, most have more, and all have new first-contact text.

If you decide to try this new diplomacy text, bear in mind that under most circumstances there is only a small-ish chance the leader with whom you’re speaking will use text that is specific to him/her. There is a pool of responses that is used more often than those specific to a leader. This means you might not see much difference at first -– however, as you play, every now and again a leader might suddenly say something slightly more interesting than what you’re used to! For more details on the quotes and sources, please see the readme-file. I have used over 120 actual quotes, so there is in fact quite a lot of new text.

For flavour I’ve had Ceasar speak a few words of Latin to you when you first meet him. I’ve also had Louis XIV greet you in French. As I’m not exactly fluent in either language, if you find a mistake, please let me know!

Also, please note that there is NO leader-specific text for Frederick. Why Firaxis didn’t include any text for him, we may never know. I tried giving him some, but for some reason it doesn’t show up in the game. If he actually says ANYTHING to you upon first contact, please let me know!

For this project I worked from rjwoer’s grammar- and syntax-improved diplomacy text, and so have retained his punctuation style.

To use the ActualQuotes diplomacy text, place the file Civ4DiplomacyText.xml in:
…CustomAssets\XML\Text

Or, if you want to add it to a specific mod only:
…Program Files\Firaxis Games\Sid Meier’s Civilization 4\Mods\[YourMod]\Assets\XML\Text

Enjoy! :)

UPDATE

Version 1.21

*Fixed stuff: Some typos, some inconsistencies in spelling.

*Changed stuff: A few more generic responses have been changed so that they suit all leaders. Washington will for instance no longer celebrate by sacrificing warriors or virgins!

****File removed. Please see links at top

First contact screenshots…

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I really like this idea! Good job! :goodjob:

Maybe I can give you some ideas for the quoteless leaders...

Hapshepsut:
- Hapshepsut's pharaoic name Maat-Ka-Ra means "Truth is the genius of Ra"
- Her full name was "the Horus, mighty by his Kas, the lord of East and West abounding in years, the good goddess, the pious lady, the golden falcon, divine in her rings, the King of Upper and Lower Egypt, Kamara, the daughter of Ra, Khnumit Amon, Hatshepsut."
- A quote from Hapshepsut on the temple known as "The grotto of Artemis" is: " I raised up what was dismembered, even from the time when the Asiatics were in the midst of (the Delta), overthrowing what had been created. They ruled in ignorance of Ra, the sun god, and acted not by divine command, until my august person."
- You might also try to search for a quote about the Nile or 'Puntland', the country from which the Egyptians thought they originated.

sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hapshepsut
http://www.touregypt.net/magazine/mag02012001/magf1.htm
http://www.bediz.com/hatshep/cartouche.html

for Mansa Musa:
- he's also known as Mansa Moussa, Gongo Musa, Kankan Musa and The Lion of Mali
- it appears there's a group called the Mansa-ray that teach "the teachings of Mansa-Musa". There must be quotes by him around, then.
- You can, of course, use a reference to his famous pilgrimage. Or is such a thing in already? Not sure
- " It was boasted by Musa that it would take a year to travel from one end of his empire to the other. Though an exaggeration by a proud king, the 14th-century traveler Ibn Battuta indeed noted that it took about four months to travel from the northern borders of the Mali Empire to Niani in the south."
- Another quote, by unknown, states that "Timbuktu is the cross-road where the camel met the canoe."

sources:
http://www.playahata.com/pages/bhfigures/bhfigures6.html
http://www.isidore-of-seville.com/mansa/2.html

For Montezuma:
- Name sometimes spelled Moctezuma, Motecuhzoma or Motecuzoma, which means "He who make himself master of his rage"
- When Montezuma made first contact with the Spanish, he thought Cortes was the god Quetzalcoatl. You might refer to that
- I found a letter, written by Hérnan Córtes, where he quotes Montezuma's actual greeting.
It's rather long though and kind of submissive: Link (http://orion.ramapo.edu/~fkarpiel/articles/MOCTEZUMA'S%20GREETING%20TO%20HERNAN%20CORTES.htm)

I've mirrored this file at http://civilization4.filefront.com/ for you Willowmound :)

Nice idea to give them real character. Looks like a good addition.

Then, why not use directly http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Main_Page

Sheer genius.
Sheer genius.
Sheer genius.
Sheer genius.
Sheer genius.
Sheer genius.

I love you Willowmound!

This is an absolutely superb idea! I think you should open a new thread for people to propose quotes to be added to the mod so that it can grow to the point where each leader is completely distinguishable by their responses alone.

Thanks so much I was so annoyed with the supposedly funny leader

For the chinese civ...
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me !

Well, I must say I'm little bit overwhelmed, thank you all so much for the positive feedback!

@Junuxx: those are some really good suggestions, I will difinitely look into all of them!

@JamieCiv4Files: hey thanks!

@Rufus: I'll see if there are any quotes there I don't already have (and I've collected quite a few now for this project!)

@Lightzy: I'm sure I love you too :)

@ranathari: I may do that. I haven't experimented yet with giving leaders more than their default number of specific responses, however it looks like it might be possible. To be able to distinguish leaders by their responses alone, you'd need to remove many of the common responses and add alternatives for each specific one. Otherwise they'd say the same things over and over.

@Esteban: no problem!

@ibcoltscrew: Where's that from?

Again, if anyone finds any mistakes -- including typos or quotes you think are implemented akwardly -- please let me know! Thank you :)

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me ! Chinses proverb. There is the link.
http://www.santacruzpl.org/readyref/files/d-f/fool.shtml

Most of people think this proverb is from USA but it is from China, like most of american think Einstein was American when he was German Jew... not people here tho, thanks to Civ1-2-3-4 lol.

For Elizabeth it's got to be that famous quote from the Tilbury speech - 'I may have the body of a weak and feeble woman, but I have the heart and stomach of a king, and a king of England too...'

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me ! Chinses proverb.

Yeah, on second thoughts I know I have heard this before. It's a good one too! However, this is the ActualQuote mod, where leaders say things their real-life counterparts actually said. Proverbs don't fit the bill I'm afraid.

Yeah, on second thoughts I know I have heard this before. It's a good one too! However, this is the ActualQuote mod, where leaders say things their real-life counterparts actually said. Proverbs don't fit the bill I'm afraid.

If course you heard this before.. That's one SCOTTY used in one episode! :P

Wikiquotes looks to be a useful source:

Hatshepsut (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Hatshepsut)
Napoleon (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Napoleon Bonaparte)
Washington (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_Washington)

Etc. By the way, konnichi wa (or konnichiwa, or konnichi-wa) has two N's.

Thanks for pointing that out, Simetrical, it will be fixed in the next version!

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me ! Chinses proverb. There is the link.
http://www.santacruzpl.org/readyref/files/d-f/fool.shtml

Most of people think this proverb is from USA but it is from China, like most of american think Einstein was American when he was German Jew... not people here tho, thanks to Civ1-2-3-4 lol.

No, that's "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice..... you can't get fooled again." :mischief:

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Wikiquotes looks to be a useful source:

Hatshepsut (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Hatshepsut)
Napoleon (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Napoleon Bonaparte)
Washington (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_Washington)

Etc. By the way, konnichi wa (or konnichiwa, or konnichi-wa) has two N's.

To out anal the anal:

It's supposed to be kon ni chi ha or konnichi ha

cf. here (http://linear.mv.com/cgi-bin/j-e/dosearch?sDict=on&H=PS&L=J&T=konichiwa&WC=none&fg=w&S=26) and an explanation in the 5th post on the page (http://www.animeusa.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=210&start=45&sid=30edcb0f23bfc612f7c937464e676186).

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To out anal the anal:

It's supposed to be kon ni chi ha or konnichi haThe particle in question is written with the hiragana character normally used for ha, but is both pronounced and transliterated wa, always. The Hepburn system does not transliterate it ha, and nor does any other that I know of.

And if you're going to split it up into syllables, konnichi wa is five syllables: ko + n + ni + chi + wa. The n is syllabic, as in English button.

The particle in question is written with the hiragana character normally used for ha, but is both pronounced and transliterated wa, always. The Hepburn system does not transliterate it ha, and nor does any other that I know of.

And if you're going to split it up into syllables, konnichi wa is five syllables: ko + n + ni + chi + wa. The n is syllabic, as in English button.

Well, since we're getting technical, it's four syllables: kon-ni-chi wa. Linguistically speaking, the 'n' is geminated (pronounced double), but the first 'n' doesn't count as a syllable on its own, whether it has its own hiragana letter or not.

Anyway, this is a great mod. What with these and the Spock quotes for new technologies, I can see my dinner party conversation improving no end :)

this would be hilarious combined with a george w bush leader...

OK, version 1.2 is now ready.

*New stuff: AqutalQuotes for Mansa Musa, Montezuma and Hatshepsut!

*Fixed stuff: “Konnichiwa” :)

*Changed stuff: Minor tweak of some of Alexander’s text to make it more in line with his, umm, energetic body language.

Massive thanks to Junuxx for pointing me in the right direction re the new quotes!

Download from main page

Here's a screenie:

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Hi, Willowmound :)
Very nice mod, thank you for your work :)

Game's atmosphere drastically increases for me (if i can so), after installing it.

Have you checked this source (http://en.thinkexist.com/quotes/)?
Seems, there are plenty of quotes.

Cause, im russian, some Catherine's quotes:
In politics a capable ruler must be guided by circumstances, conjectures and conjunctions (alternative greeting, maybe)
Your wit makes others witty
(after clinch a bargain)
I beg you take courage; the brave soul can mend even disaster
(Propose to offer war to her own enemy)
In my position you have to read when you want to write and to talk when you would like to read
(one more greeting?)

Thanks, Dmitryn!

Those are some good quotes. The last one is actually in the mod already, though :)

Next up is trying to get leaders to have more than one specific response per given situation, so your suggestion for an additional greeting is just the thing I need. I haven't actually tried it yet, so I'm not sure if it's going to work. Here's hoping!

Downloaded the new version. :) :goodjob:
Saladin's quote is really funny :lol:

I noticed an few errors:
- "Am am" instead of "I am" in Hapshepsut's quote though
- "suceed"instead of "succeed" in Genghis Khan's

Thanks, that will be fixed in the next version :)

I have a question to everyone who uses this mod: Do you find you almost never get leader-specific text (i.e. the quotes in this mod) in normal diplomacy interactions? Or is it just me? I am contemplating drastically reducing the number of shared generic responses in order to increase the likelihood of getting the ActualQuotes...

this would be hilarious combined with a george w bush leader...

Especially when he tried to use the "Fool me once" proverb and screwed it up:

"There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee -- that says, fool me once -- shame on -- shame on you. You fool me, you can't get fooled again."

Sept. 17, 2002 (http://www.dubyaspeak.com/philosopher.phtml)

Or parts of this epic:

"The civilized world knows very well that other fanatics in history, from Hitler to Stalin to Pol Pot, consumed whole nations in war and genocide before leaving the stage of history. Evil men, obsessed with ambition and unburdened by conscience, must be taken very seriously -- and we must stop them before their crimes can multiply. ...We didn't ask for this global struggle, but we're answering history's call with confidence, and with a comprehensive strategy. ...State sponsors like Syria and Iran have a long history of collaboration with terrorists, and they deserve no patience from the victims of terror. ...By any standard or precedent of history, Iraq has made incredible political progress -- from tyranny, to liberation, to national elections, to the ratification of a constitution -- in the space of two-and-a-half years. ...While it's perfectly legitimate to criticize my decision or the conduct of the war, it is deeply irresponsible to rewrite the history of how that war began. ...With the rise of a deadly enemy and the unfolding of a global ideological struggle, our time in history will be remembered for new challenges and unprecedented dangers. ...Throughout history, tyrants and would-be tyrants have always claimed that murder is justified to serve their grand vision ...[We] do know the love of freedom is the mightiest force of history, and we do know the cause of freedom will once again prevail."

Well, since we're getting technical, it's four syllables: kon-ni-chi wa. Linguistically speaking, the 'n' is geminated (pronounced double), but the first 'n' doesn't count as a syllable on its own, whether it has its own hiragana letter or not.Okay, after a little more research, I concede that this is correct. ん is not syllabic, it's moraic. What exactly a mora is I'm still unclear on, though . . . but this is off-topic and I'll stop here.

Bravo to Willowmound - this is an ingenious & original concept that adds a lot of flavor to the game.
Bravo to Requis - Air America?

If anyone makes a mod to add George W. Bush then i would suggest this quote

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Last month, Republican Congressional leaders filed into the Oval Office to meet with President George W. Bush and talk about renewing the controversial USA Patriot Act.

Several provisions of the act, passed in the shell shocked period immediately following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, caused enough anger that liberal groups like the American Civil Liberties Union had joined forces with prominent conservatives like Phyllis Schlafly and Bob Barr to oppose renewal.............

.............Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.”

“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!...............

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Can you change specific answers or they are common for every leader? It is rather weird to read, when G.Washington after peace agreement says something like "I will sacrifice fifty warriors in honor of your friendship! Or would you prefer virgins?."

I have a question to everyone who uses this mod: Do you find you almost never get leader-specific text (i.e. the quotes in this mod) in normal diplomacy interactions?
I'll check it in the evening.

I like this idea a lot, but would prefer to make up my own quotes for these leaders! How did you change the texts? What file(s) need to be accessed??

2Willowmound
Can you change specific answers or they are common for every leader? It is rather weird to read, when G.Washington after peace agreement says something like "I will sacrifice fifty warriors in honor of your friendship! Or would you prefer virgins?."

Leaders have some text that is specific to them. Mostly they use text from a pool shared by all. You can change any text, and I have changed some of the common responses where I thought they were too zany. I have thought of going over all of them to weed out stuff like what you mention, but I'm not sure whether people would want that.

I have, unfortunately, found that I can't decrease the number of common responses to increase the likelihood of getting leader-specific ones. There must be code in a file somewhere that tells the game how many responses there are supposed to be, so if I try to remove some it stuffs up. I have not been able to find where this code is. Yet.

I like this idea a lot, but would prefer to make up my own quotes for these leaders! How did you change the texts? What file(s) need to be accessed??

Go for it! The file is Civ4DiplomacyText.xml :)

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Do you find you almost never get leader-specific text (i.e. the quotes in this mod) in normal diplomacy interactions?
I've tested it a little. Number of special quotes about 10%, im my observation.

Mostly they use text from a pool shared by all. You can change any text, and I have changed some of the common responses where I thought they were too zany. I have thought of going over all of them to weed out stuff like what you mention, but I'm not sure whether people would want that.

I have such suspicions :(
But i think, it should be left as is, until better solution not found.
This quote is normally perceived, from Chenghis Khan or Montezuma.

GREAT IDEA! I'm sold ... installing now :)

If anyone makes a mod to add George W. Bush then i would suggest this quote

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Last month, Republican Congressional leaders filed into the Oval Office to meet with President George W. Bush and talk about renewing the controversial USA Patriot Act.

Several provisions of the act, passed in the shell shocked period immediately following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, caused enough anger that liberal groups like the American Civil Liberties Union had joined forces with prominent conservatives like Phyllis Schlafly and Bob Barr to oppose renewal.............

.............Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.”

“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!...............

as retarded as he is, that is a fake quote.

Hmm, Google certainly doesn't turn up anything reputable-looking. But there would be plenty of fun quotes to use anyway, certainly. :D (And I say this as a half-hearted supporter of Bush.)

2Willowmound

I've tested it a little. Number of special quotes about 10%, im my observation.

I have such suspicions :(
But i think, it should be left as is, until better solution not found.
This quote is normally perceived, from Chenghis Khan or Montezuma.

Thanks for your efforts, Dmitryn! Ten percent sounds about right.

I will be releasing ver.1.21 shortly, fixing some typos and other small issues, and I'm going to change that response with the sacrificing of the warriors/virgins. I got it in one of my games recently, and it really does not fit most of the leaders.

@Kolyana: hope you like it :)

Willowmound, *I DO*!!!

I'm playing the Chinese on the EARTH map and I have the Indians right next to me ... Asoka has several times fed me the line about undertsanding some such tosh about peace and all that bull ... it had a lot more 'meaning' than what you normally encounter so it was great to see in game.

Version 1.21 is now available from the front page.

*Fixed stuff: Some typos, some inconsistencies in spelling.

*Changed stuff: A few more generic responses have been changed so that they suit all leaders. Washington will for instance no longer celebrate by sacrificing warriors or virgins!

This will likely be the final version until a way can be found to give leaders more specific responses in a given situation, as well as specific responses in situations where they currently have none. This requires more then mere XML-fiddling, so there is no guarantee this will ever happen. Be sure to check back to this thread every couple of months, though, if you have enjoyed this mod, as I will definitely do my best to make version 2 come to pass! Thanks for all the support :)

Thanks WillowMound, and if you need help with any Python programming, give me a shout ... I'm a programmer for a living, so it's a no brainer for me.

Thanks WillowMound, and if you need help with any Python programming, give me a shout ... I'm a programmer for a living, so it's a no brainer for me.
Is it possible, to make using of some shared quotes prohibited for certain leaders? Or vice versa make some shared quotes accessed only by certain leaders?
One example was discussed above.
After peace agreement all leaders can say phrase "I will sacrifice fifty warriors in honor of your friendship! Or would you prefer virgins". From some leaders it sounds normally (Huyana Capac, Montezuma), but from some very strange (Washington, Isabella).
Can this problem be solved programmaticaly?

Thanks WillowMound, and if you need help with any Python programming, give me a shout ... I'm a programmer for a living, so it's a no brainer for me.

Hey that's really cool! Thanks. I am not a programmer. I'll PM you in a little while and maybe we can work something out. Again, thanks! :)

Hmm, Google certainly doesn't turn up anything reputable-looking. But there would be plenty of fun quotes to use anyway, certainly.

Try www.dubyaspeak.com. They have a lot of sound clips to back up that he actually said what is documented.

"This is a opportunity to positively affirm our belief in democracy, in human rights and human dignity. And so I want to thank you for being a good host. It's not easy to host all these countries, particularly not easy to host, uhh, perhaps, me. But thank you for doing it. You're doing a fine job."

Is it possible, to make using of some shared quotes prohibited for certain leaders? Or vice versa make some shared quotes accessed only by certain leaders?
One example was discussed above.
After peace agreement all leaders can say phrase "I will sacrifice fifty warriors in honor of your friendship! Or would you prefer virgins". From some leaders it sounds normally (Huyana Capac, Montezuma), but from some very strange (Washington, Isabella).
Can this problem be solved programmaticaly?


I have looked at the files involved and this seems to be 'do-able'. WillowMound has contacted me and we're working on it right now :)

Wonderful! :goodjob: Thanks a lot!
(Now, if the leaders could only really talk...) ;)

When I encountered Fredrick (Germany) for the first time in my latest game, nothing came up in the text box (for the intro text). Just letting you know so this can be remedied in the next version release! :)

SilentMage, that has been fixed for the next version.

That is sweet Willowmound:goodjob:! Also, if you didin't know already Kolyana is planning on giving Exavier your mod to incorporate it into his uber-mod:D.

That is sweet Willowmound:goodjob:! Also, if you didin't know already Kolyana is planning on giving Exavier your mod to incorporate it into his uber-mod:D.

Great. He should wait for ver. 2.0, though, it's due just after Christmas!

Yeah, on second thoughts I know I have heard this before. It's a good one too! However, this is the ActualQuote mod, where leaders say things their real-life counterparts actually said. Proverbs don't fit the bill I'm afraid.
Cool i was just thinking it could be good for a Declaration of War ;):lol:

Cool i was just thinking it could be good for a Declaration of War ;):lol:

Well, the new versions coming up will have a lot more stuff, so maybe it'll find its way into one of them -- if not ver.2 then maybe the semi-secret other diplomacy project that's currently being deviced... ;) Stay tuned!

Don't go abstract into the Japanese.
It is Konnichi wa, and it is ko-n-ni-chi wa, 5 syllables, because that is how it is written in the Japanese language, which is based on syllables, not letters. So let's not argue for the sake of arguement on that.

Don't go abstract into the Japanese.
It is Konnichi wa, and it is ko-n-ni-chi wa, 5 syllables, because that is how it is written in the Japanese language, which is based on syllables, not letters. So let's not argue for the sake of arguement on that.
No, someone already pointed out that "n" is not a true syllable. The n/m particle is affixed to syllables to alter their sound. In this case, it is changing the "ko" sound to a "kon" sound. It is five symbols, but four syllables.

But in actual point of fact, we're arguing over the transliteration of a language without an alphabet, so it's pretty damn silly. There is no "right" answer, just the answer most widely accepted by romanicizers.

How about we get really sinophilic and have the game check the time and then issue a greeting based on that... ohayoo, konbon-wa, konnichi-wa? And make it spell them out in kanji and kana, instead of English? And require that all players learn nihongo?

hehe looking good so far.

@Willowmound - Actually i do plan to include this into my mod. Though I am letting Kolyana handle anything dealing with civilizations because I think a few changes need to be made so that it accepts the new civilizations I have been merging into my mod.

Hey willowmound, why can't washington celebrate by sacrifing virgins and warriors anymore? I thought that was totally hilarious. I think it should stay;).

No, that's "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice..... you can't get fooled again." :mischief:

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That has to be George Bush's all time best quote.

That man is a sheer genius or a jackass - one of those!

Hey willowmound, why can't washington celebrate by sacrifing virgins and warriors anymore? I thought that was totally hilarious. I think it should stay;).

Well it's a judgment call. One may argue that when you have leaders use actual quotes, anything too outragously out of character would be, well, just that -- too out of character. On the other hand, that can be very funny. In the end I changed it because it was requested. I'm personally not a huge fan of that particular line, so when no one objected to the request... Alas, one cannot please everyone all the time :)

Then why did you have it in the first place?

It's the vanilla text. If I don't change it, it's there in my mod.

:lol: Where?

Where, what?

The quote about sacrificing virgins?

Somewhere in civ4diplomacyText.xml, that's where all the diplomacy text is.

Edit: and it's not a quote, it's just a line. There are no quotes in the vanilla text.

Oh well that's what I meant. Thanks, I'll go look for that cuz that is awesome:lol:!

You think it's funny coming from Washington, I keep getting it from GANDHI.

By the way, you may want to change the Japanese to something like this. "Hajimemashite... boku wa Tokugawa-sama desu, soshite Shougun no Nihon desu. (Insert quote here.)" That means, sort of, "It's good to meet you... I am Lord Tokugawa, and I am Shougon of Japan. (Quote)."

Of course, my Japanese is probably very broken, but hey.

Is the latest version of this compatible with 1.52?

The version currently available is compatible except for Frederick's first contact text. The patch fixes a bug (caused by a missing entry), that caused Frederick to have no first-contact text. Knowing this, I wrote a line for him in which he asks the player to contact me on CFC. I never thought this message would actually be displayed! :lol:

The next version will be completely compatible.

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Hehe... that is pretty funny:).

cool. That'd be hilarious if it popped up in a game and you had no idea that it would happen or what it meant.

cool. That'd be hilarious if it popped up in a game and you had no idea that it would happen or what it meant.

Indeed. I know this mod is available from Game Spot as well, so there is a fair chance some guy is sitting somewhere scratching his head right now... :)

2Williwmound:
Willowmound, how you changes xml files? With some xml redactor or there is utility for working with civ4 files?

2Williwmound:
Willowmound, how you changes xml files? With some xml redactor or there is utility for working with civ4 files?

I'm not willow but I could answer :P

you can actually open up XML and Python files in notepad to edit them... there are alot of programs out there but I preferr notepad :P

That has to be George Bush's all time best quote.

That man is a sheer genius or a jackass - one of those!

My personal favorite is:

We got an issue in America. Too many good docs are gettin' out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their -- their love with women all across this country.

I'm not willow but I could answer :P
you can actually open up XML and Python files in notepad to edit them... there are alot of programs out there but I preferr notepad :P

Sorry for poor formulated question. I tried to know not about how xml files can be edited, but how these files edited by modders.
Im planning to make some utility, that allows change Civ4 xml files through windows interface, and want understand will be it useful or not.

Willowmound that's really funny screenshot :goodjob: I'll try to use the idea.

Dmitryn I use XML Marker for xml editing. There is no special civ4 xml editor as far as i know. Would be great to see one. ;)

There really isn't any special editors needed. Both Python and XML are easily opened in any Text editor out there. Though some ppl preferr special editors because it color codes the tages to make them easier to read and edit.

The 2 biggest programs I use are Notepad and Compare It. Compare It lets me open 2 text type documents and see anything that has been changed between the too. Thats how I can merge 2-3 Mods into my Composite mod in just a day or so even if the author of the mod doesn't make his/her changes obvious.

Honestly is all personal preference. Though I would wait untill late january and see what kinds of tools are going to be released in the SDK before you do anything :)

Why does the English text not match the foreign ones?

<TEXT> <Tag>AI_DIPLO_GREETINGS_ATT_FR_LEADER_MAO_ZEDONG_1</Tag>
<English>Let a hundred flowers bloom, let a hundred schools of thought contend! This is a good day. How may [OUR_CIV_SHORT] be of service?
</English>

<French>Au nom du glorieux Parti Communiste de Chine et de tous ses paysans incultes... heu, de tous ses "glorieux travailleurs"... je vous salue !</French>

<German>Im Namen der großen ruhmreichen kommunistischen Partei Chinas und all ihrer einfallslosen kleinen Anhänger--äh, ich meine "ehrenhaften Arbeiter"--Willkommen!</German>

<Italian>Un messaggio di benvenuto da parte del grande e glorioso Partito Comunista della Cina e dai suoi orridi contadini... volevo dire,
"grandi lavoratori"!</Italian>

<Spanish>El grande y glorioso Partido Comunista Chino y todos sus horribles campesinos de pacotilla -quiero decir, "gloriosos
trabajadores"- os dan la bienvenida.</Spanish>
</TEXT>

They're just arbitrary greetings, I guess, rather than literal translations of the English. All of them are supposed to come from Mao Zedong. Although on the other hand, referring to China as communist is rather silly if they're using, say, Free Market.

Why does the English text not match the foreign ones?

Well what do you think, Blazer? I'm not fluent in French, German, Spanish and Italian, 's why. Feel free to do some translations if you are! Contact me and I'll implement them.

I would do for spanish but I´m from Argentina, and the game text is made for Spain. I might miss some "vosotros" and localized words... :p

Hey willow have you heard from Koylana recently? she has been on vacation for quite a while.

She's said she was on vacation till the fifth and the last time she was on was on the 22nd.

Hey willow have you heard from Koylana recently? she has been on vacation for quite a while.

Heh, I got back a couple of days ago, but the flight was AWFUL and zonked me out for a while. My main computer has also been playing up, so my Civ installation got scrambled and needs to be reinstalled (doh!).

I'm currently running some DOS based utilities to save what data I can as I repartition and format. Haven't played any games since getting back and it'll probably be this working week before I do, but when my computer is back up I'll start touching base with everyone.

Well what do you think, Blazer? I'm not fluent in French, German, Spanish and Italian, 's why. Feel free to do some translations if you are! Contact me and I'll implement them.
I was just saying that the non-English quotes mention Mao saying Communist party while the English quote is about numbers.

Heh, I got back a couple of days ago, but the flight was AWFUL and zonked me out for a while. My main computer has also been playing up, so my Civ installation got scrambled and needs to be reinstalled (doh!).

I'm currently running some DOS based utilities to save what data I can as I repartition and format. Haven't played any games since getting back and it'll probably be this working week before I do, but when my computer is back up I'll start touching base with everyone.

EWWW... I hate it when it does that. Mine caught a virus for xmas that blew away my AV program first followed by windows. I recovered my data with Knoppix but I had to reinstall lol

Anyone heard from WillowMound recently?

well his last post here was 3 days ago... is that recent? :P

Heh, I guess it is ... I missed it!

this would be hilarious combined with a george w bush leader...

"We cannot allow Saddam to have nuke-uh-lur weapons. We will topple his Axis of Evil Regime."

Good ole Dubbya:nuke:

Wow, I can't wait to use this mod...this looks awesome. I especially can't wait to talk with Mao. I have a book published in China calle 'Mao on Diplomacy' that has awesome speeches and millions of quotes that I love.

Hey Kol, Exavier. I've been very, very busy lately. Haven't played a game - any game - since last year :)

I'm actually getting pangs of guilt now for not having finished and posted ver.2 yet. I guess I'll just have to do it one of these days.

Sorry to hear about your computer problems, Kolyana, and your rubbish flight. Hope things are better now!

Great mod,thanks!

Wikiquotes looks to be a useful source:

Hatshepsut (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Hatshepsut)
Napoleon (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Napoleon Bonaparte)
Washington (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_Washington)

Etc. By the way, konnichi wa (or konnichiwa, or konnichi-wa) has two N's.
Wrong.

In Romajin, it's one n. The second n you sometimes see is a deliberate misspelling in an attempt to get Americans to correctly pronounce it, however Romajin is the accepted way of spelling Japanese in Latin characters, and is intended for any who speak European languages, not just English-speakers.

Nice work! I found Civ4 a big step backwards in historical believability; mods like this will really help!

Willowmound, or other XML modders: In looking through the XML file that controls diplomacy, I have found that you can make your quote situations even MORE specific. Within each type of "Response" (an AI statement), there are a number of "variables" (elements) that could be specified. One of them is Leaders, but others include Civilizations, Attitudes, and DiplomacyPowers. Thus, one should be able to script a Civ- (rather than leader) specific response, or even script different responses for the same leader in a given situation (e.g. a trade) based on the leader's Attitude and relative Power.

I believe that to make additional, even more specific nodes, you would just need to provide more specific elements. For example, in the default Civ4DiplomacyInfos.xml file, Victoria gives the same greeting if she is friendly, pleased, or cautious (lines 1425-1451). However, you could separate all three like so:

<Response>
<Civilizations/>
<Leaders>
<Leader>
<LeaderType>LEADER_VICTORIA</LeaderType>
<bLeaderType>1</bLeaderType>
</Leader>
</Leaders>
<Attitudes>
<Attitude>
<AttitudeType>ATTITUDE_PLEASED</AttitudeType>
<bAttitudeType>1</bAttitudeType>
</Attitude>
</Attitudes>
<DiplomacyPowers/>
<DiplomacyText>
<Text>AI_DIPLO_GREETINGS_ATT_PL_LEADER_VICTORIA_1</Text>
</DiplomacyText>
</Response>

... 3 times (one for friendly, one for please, one for cautious), then add more nodes to the Civ4DiplomacyText.xml file.

I can't find which XML file defines the possible elements for DiplomacyPower, but it looks like it follows the format

<DiplomacyPower>
<DiplomacyPowerType>DIPLOMACYPOWER_WEAKER</DiplomacyPowerType>
<bDiplomacyPowerType>1</bDiplomacyPowerType>
</DiplomacyPower>

Anyway, great work and thanks!

For the record, "Konichiwa" is spelled "Konnichiwa".

It's a minor thing, but probably trivial to fix.

Hi, I found a strange problem!
I haven't used this MOD, but when I met TOKUGAWA, there is AI_DIPLO_FIRST_CONTACT_LEADER_TOKUGAWA_2 showed on my diplomap screen, what happened? why?

Are you using Warlords? ActualQuotes is not (yet?) compatible.

Also, that error would be a ver.2 error. (This is the old ver.1 thread -- not that it matters!) But when you say 'I haven't used this MOD', what exactly do you mean?

Cool mod.

Btw, is queen Vic's catchphrase in there?

"We are not amused!"

Don't remember to be honest! There are many quotes. Many, many quotes :)

Are you using Warlords? ActualQuotes is not (yet?) compatible.

Also, that error would be a ver.2 error. (This is the old ver.1 thread -- not that it matters!) But when you say 'I haven't used this MOD', what exactly do you mean?
Thanks alot, I got it.