It occured to me while reading the other general thread can we even name 100?
I'll edit it the list as asked when we get down to the last 10 or so (and in no paticular order I'll start)
In order of being listed (for the most part Iam copy/pastingem)
1.Simon Bolivard
2.Douglas MacArthur
3.Eugene of savoy
4.Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson
5. Militiades
6. Themistocles
7. Rommel
8. Patton
9. Montgomery
10. Grant
11. Lee
12. Alexander the Great
13. Schlieffen
14. Napoleon
15. Wellington
16. Nelson
17.Sun Tzu
18.Emiliano Zapata
19.George Washington
20.Hannibal
21.Ignacio Zaragoza
22. Georgy Zhukov
for the moment I have taken out the wars they were in
but by the looks of it we will be needing to argue for spots soon enouf
in which case I'll add them

Douglas MacArthur

Eugene of savoy
Nadir Shah
Gonzalo Fernandez el Cordoba
Robert Guiscard
Subutai
Maurice of Nassau

In no order

http://www.wildwestweb.net/cwleaders/tThomas%20'Stonewall'%20Jackson.jpg
Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson

In no particular order.

5. Militiades (Greek-Persian Wars)
6. Themistocles (Greek-Persian Wars)
7. Rommel (WWII)
8. Patton (WWII)
9. Montgomery (WWII)
10. Grant (US Civil War)
11. Lee (US Civil War)
12. Alexander the Great (Greek-Persian Wars)
13. Schlieffen (WWI)
14. Napoleon
15. Wellington (Waterloo)
16. Nelson (Trafalgar)

And let's not forget...
http://img.tfd.com/authors/sun.jpg
Sun Tzu

Zhukov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhukov) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v413/Eventis/vb_commie.gif

Ignacio Zaragoza the Cinco de Mayo general and argueable on of the greatest at destrorying supply lines several times forcing the french to turn around and stop to protect there supply line several times slowing them down untill american help arived (in the form of rifles mostly since alot of his men were using machetes - the union could not send an army since they were in the civil war)

Zhukov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhukov) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v413/Eventis/vb_commie.gif

Damn,why didnt i think of that!!!:goodjob:

Off the top of my head, in no particular order:

Marlborough
Turenne
Condé
Gustavus Adolphus
Wallenstein
Johan Banér
That Dutch guy who invented volley firing in the late 16th c. (forget his name)
Scipio Africanus
Marius
Pompey the Great
Belisarius
Narses
Oda Nobunaga
Hideyoshi
Suvorov
Davout
Lannes
(Bunch of the French Marshalls, can't remember them all;) )
Frederick II the Great

That Dutch guy who invented volley firing in the late 16th c. (forget his name)

Maurice of Nassau.

Zhukov #1
Nobody else is even close

Genghis Khan
Kublai Khan
Subotai
Timurlenk

Hannibal Barca must be number one.He is better than any general even alexander and genghis(Genghis is a better leader).

I see a bunch of Generals listed who became famous for winning battles/wars in whitch they had superior manpower and resources, how does that make them good generals?

Anyway, here is a bunch of commanders listed on wiki.



* Cyrus the Great (King of Persia who conquered Babylon)
* Artaphernes (Persian general)
* Sun Tzu (Chinese general and author of "The Art of War")
* Themistocles (Athenian admiral during the Persian Wars)
* Miltiades (Athenian general during the Persian Wars)
* Callimachus (Athenian general during the Persian Wars)
* Leonidas (Spartan king and general during the Persian Wars)
* Eurybiades (Spartan general during the Persian Wars)
* Pausanias (Spartan general during the Persian Wars)
* Mardonius (Persian general during the Persian Wars)
* Cimon (Athenian general)
* Callias (Athenian general)
* Pericles (Athenian politician and general during the Peloponnesian War)
* Demosthenes (Athenian general during the Peloponnesian War)
* Cleon (Athenian general during the Peloponnesian War)
* Nicias (Athenian general during the Peloponnesian War)
* Thucydides (Athenian general during the Peloponnesian War)
* Brasidas (Spartan general during the Peloponnesian War)
* Alcibiades (Athenian general during the Peloponnesian War)
* Phormio (Athenian admiral during the Peloponnesian War)
* Thrasybulus (Athenian admiral during the Peloponnesian War)
* Lycophron (Spartan admiral during the Peloponnesain War)
* Epaminondas (Theban general)
* Philip II of Macedon (Macedonian king and father of Alexander the Great)
* Alexander the Great (King of Macedon)
* Ashoka (Emperor of India)
* Qin Shi Huang (First emperor of Qin)
* Hannibal Barca (Military commander of ancient Carthage, involved in the Second Punic War)
* Scipio Africanus (Defeated Hannibal at the Battle of Zama in Second Punic War)
* Fabius Maximus (Roman general)
* Titus Quinctius Flamininus (Roman general)
* Gaius Marius (Roman general)
* Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Roman general and dictator)
* Quintus Sertorius (Roman general)
* Pompey (Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus, Roman general)
* Julius Caesar (Roman military leader and dictator)
* Augustus Caesar (The first Roman Emperor, successor of Julius Caesar)
* Trajan (Marcus Ulpius Traianus, Roman Emperor)
* Stilicho (also a late Roman general)
* Alaric (Gothic King, sacked Rome)
* Arminius (War chief of the Germanic tribe of the Cherusci)
* Attila the Hun (King of the Huns, often referred as "Scourge of God")
* Aëtius (Roman general, defeated Attila)
* Samudragupta ( King of India )




* Theodoric the Great (King of Ostrogoths and ruler of Italy)
* Clovis (First Christian King of the Franks)
* Songtsen Gampo (Tibetan warrior king)
* Ulji Moonduk (Korean General)
* Yang Man-chun (Korean General)
* Kim Yu-shin (Korean General)
* Charles Martel (Mayor of the Palace of the Kingdom of the Franks)
* Charlemagne (King of the Franks, and Holy Roman Emperor)
* King William I of England (Duke of Normandy, also known as William the Conqueror)
* Wang Geon (King of Korea)
* General Belisarius (Byzantine general during the reign of Justinian I)
* Narses (Another great general in service of Justinian I)
* Mundus (another general under Justinian)
* Topiltzin Ce Acatl Quetzalcoatl Toltec leader and conqueror
* Basil II Byzantine emperor
* George Maniaces (11th century Byzantine general)
* Nicephorus Botaniates (11th century Byzantine general, later emperor)
* Nicephorus Bryennius (11th century Byzantine general)
* Taticius (11th century Byzantine general)
* Robert Guiscard (Norman conqueror of Naples and S. Sicily)
* Godfrey of Bouillon (leader of the First Crusade)
* Baldwin of Boulogne (leader of the First Crusade)
* Baldwin of Bourcq (leader of the First Crusade)
* Bohemond of Taranto (leader of the First Crusade)
* Tancred (leader of the First Crusade)
* Raymond IV of Toulouse (leader of the First Crusade)
* Stephen, Count of Blois (leader of the First Crusade)
* Hughes de Payens (founder of the Knights Templar)
* Frederick Barbarossa (Holy Roman Emperor and Crusader)
* Raymond III of Tripoli (Crusader general)
* Raynald of Chatillon (Crusader general)
* Gerard de Ridefort (Grand Master of the Knights Templar)
* Roger de Moulins (Grand Master of the Knights Hospitaller)
* Richard I of England (King of England, often referred as Richard the Lionhearted, known for his participation in the Third Crusade)
* al-Afdal Shahanshah (Fatimid vizier)
* Saladin (Leader of the Muslims, known for his recapture of Jerusalem from the crusaders' hand)
* Yoon Gwan (Korean General)
* Boniface of Montferrat (leader of the Fourth Crusade)
* Frederick II, Holy Roman Emperor (leader of the Fifth Crusade and Sixth Crusade)
* Hermann of Salza (Grand Master of the Teutonic Knights)
* Yi Seong-gye (Emperor of Korea)
* Yi Sun-shin (Korean General)
* Minamoto no Yo****sune (Japanese general whose decisive victories brought down the Taira clan during the Gempei War)
* Toyotomi Hideyoshi (Japanese general, he seized control over Japan after the death of Oda Nobunaga)
* Tokugawa Ieyasu (daimyo, the first to unite the whole Japan and a founder of a shogunate that lasted over 250 years)
* Genghis Khan (Great Khan of the Mongols)
* Ögedei Khan (Great Khan of the Mongols)
* Subutai Bahadur (General and childhood friend of Genghis Khan)
* Batu Khan (Mongolian conqueror)
* Kublai Khan (Great Khan of the Mongols, conqueror of China)
* Alexander Nevsky (Prince of Novgorod, Grand Prince of Vladimir, saint and national hero of Russia)
* Wolter von Plettenberg (Master of the Livonian Order)
* Edward I of England (known as the Hammer of the Scots)
* William Wallace (Scottish Knight and freedom fighter)
* Robert the Bruce (Scottish King and freedom fighter)
* Khair ad Din (Also known as Barbarossa, an Admiral in the Ottoman Empire)
* Khalid ibn al-Walid (Muslim Arab soldier and general, undfeated throughout his career)
* Louis IX of France (leader of the Seventh Crusade and Eighth Crusade)
* Edward III of England (English King in the Hundred Years War)
* Edward the Black Prince, heir to the throne of England
* Roger de Flor (leader of the Catalan Company)
* Scanderbeg Albanian prince and general against the Ottoman encroachement in Europe 1443-1468
* Mehmed II the Conqueror (Ottoman Sultan, conquered Constantinople in 1453)
* Mehmed Pasa Sokollu (Bosnian military leader, Ottoman Grand Vizier during the reign of Suleiman and Selim II)
* Joan of Arc (National heroine of France and saint of Catholic Church)
* El Cid (Spanish knight and hero)
* Tamerlane (Timur Lenk, Mongolian conqueror)
* King Henry V of England, a seasoned warrior at the age of sixteen
* Jan Zizka (Commander of Taborite Army in Bohemia's Hussite Wars)
* Suleiman the Magnificent (Sultan of the Ottoman Empire)
* Alp Arslan (Sultan of the Seljuk Empire)




* Nadir Shah, Iran
* Hernán Cortés (Spanish conquistador)
* Konstanty Ostrogski
* Nzinga of Ndongo and Matamba (Warrior Queen of the Mbundu people; kept Portugal at bay)
* Shivaji (Ruler of the Maratha empire)
* Sir Walter Raleigh (English Admiral under Queen Elizabeth I)
* Francisco Pizarro (Spanish conquistador, conquered the Inca)
* Mikhail Skopin-Shuisky
* Louis II de Condé
* Henri de la Tour d'Auvergne, Vicomte de Turenne
* Jan Sobieski
* Eugene of Savoy
* Maurice, comte de Saxe (France)
* Oliver Cromwell (English Civil War)
* Albrecht von Wallenstein (general in the Thirty Years' War)
* Heino Heinrich Graf von Flemming (Austria)
* Duke of Marlborough (War of the Spanish Succession)
* Gustavus Adolphus of Sweden
* Gottfried Heinrich Graf zu Pappenheim
* Alexander Menshikov
* Charles XII of Sweden
* Frederick II of Prussia
* Peter Rumyantsev
* Alexander Suvorov
* Feodor Ushakov
* George Washington
* Napoleon Bonaparte (Emperor of France)
o Jean Baptiste Bessieres
o Jean Baptiste Bernadotte
o Joachim Murat
o Louis Nicolas Davout
o Louis Alexandre Berthier
o Michel Ney
o Jean Lannes
o Auguste Marmont
o Laurent, Marquis de Gouvion Saint-Cyr
o Nicolas Oudinot
o Nicolas Jean de Dieu Soult
o Guillaume Brune
o Jean Baptiste Jourdan
o André Masséna
o Louis Gabriel Suchet
* Mikhail Illarionovich Kutuzov
* Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington
* Horatio Nelson British Navy Officer (late 1700 to 1805)
* Isaac Brock (British major general in Canada during War of 1812)
* François-Marie, 1st duc de Broglie
* Victor-Maurice, comte de Broglie
* Gebhard Leberecht von Blücher
* Peter Wittgenstein
* Petr Bagration



* Shaka (Changed the Zulu tribe from a small clan into a nation)
* Sir George Howard (UK)
* Aleksey Petrovich Yermolov (Caucasian wars)
* Simón Bolívar (South American nationalist and general)
* Giuseppe Garibaldi (South American and Italian independence wars general)
* Zuo Zongtang (Chinese general)
* Zeng Guofan (Chinese military commander)
* Li Hongzhang (Chinese general)
* Winfield Scott (Mexican-American War)
* P.G.T. Beauregard (US Civil War)
* Robert E. Lee (US Civil War)
* Ulysses S. Grant (US Civil War)
* Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson (US Civil War)
* William Tecumseh Sherman (US Civil War)
* Beverly Robertson (US Civil War)
* Braxton Bragg (US Civil War)
* Joseph E. Johnston (US Civil War)
* Henry Jackson Hunt (US Civil War)
* Phillip H. Sheridan (US Civil War)
* James Longstreet (US Civil War)
* Joseph Gilbert Totten (US Civil War)
* Sir Harry Smith (UK)
* Pavel Nakhimov (Crimean War)
* Mikhail Skobelev (Central Asian wars)
* Joseph Gurko (Bulgarian war)
* Pancho Villa
* Horatio Kitchener
* Yuan Shikai (China)
* Yamagata Aritomo (Japan)
* Kemal Atatürk (Balkan Wars, WWI Turkey)
* Douglas Haig (WWI UK)
* Aleksei Brusilov (WWI Russia)
* Ferdinand Foch (WWI France)
* Erich Ludendorff (WWI Germany)
* Paul Erich von Lettow-Vorbeck (WWI Germany Never Defeated lead campaign in East Africa)
* Paul von Hindenburg (WWI Germany)
* Arthur Currie (WWI Canada)
* John J. Pershing (WWI US)
* Erich von Falkenhayn (WWI Germany)
* William S. Harney (US)
* Sterling Price (US Civil War)



* Abraham Adan (1947-1973 Israel)
* Harold Alexander (WWII UK)
* Claude Auchinleck (WWII UK)
* Harvey Ball (WWII US)
* Lin Biao (WWII China)
* Simon Bolivar Buckner, Jr. (WWII US)
* Omar Bradley (WWII US)
* Adrian Carton De Wiart (WWII UK)
* Vasily Chuikov (WWII Soviet Union)
* Mark Clark (WWII US)
* Alan Gordon Cunningham (WWII UK)
* Moshe Dayan (Israel)
* Miles Dempsey (WWII UK)
* Petre Dumitrescu (WWII Romania)
* Zhu De (Chinese communist revolutionary leader)
* Dwight Eisenhower (WWII US)
* Simon Fraser (WWII UK)
* William Gott (WWII UK)
* Vo Nguyen Giap (North Vietnam)
* Rodolfo Graziani (WWII Italy)
* Heinz Guderian (WWII Germany)
* Brian Horrocks (WWII UK)
* Ivan Konev (WWII Soviet Union)
* Walter Krueger (WWII US)
* Oliver Leese (WWII UK)
* Douglas MacArthur (WWII and Korea, US)
* Sam Manekshaw (Indo-Pak War 1971, India)
* Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim (Winter War and WWII Finland)
* Mitsuru Ushijima (WWII Japan)
* Field Marshal Montgomery (WWII UK)
* Leslie Morshead (WW II Australia)
* Louis Mountbatten (WWII UK)
* Omar Mukhtar (Libyan freedom fighter who fought against the Italians in WWII)
* Prince Higashikuni Naruhiko (WWII Japan)
* Chester Nimitz (WWII US Navy)
* George Patton (WWII US)
* Friedrich Paulus (WWII Germany)
* "Chesty" Puller (WWII US Marine)
* Matthew B. Ridgway (WWII and Korea, US)
* Neil Ritchie (WWII UK)
* Konstantin Rokossovsky (WWII Sovet Union)
* Erwin Rommel (WWII Germany)
* Gerd von Rundstedt (WWII Germany)
* Erich von Manstein (WWII Germany)
* Franc Rozman Stane (WWII Slovene partisans)
* William Slim (WWII UK)
* Kurt Student (WWII Germany)
* Josip Broz Tito (WWII Yugoslav partisans)
* Archibald Wavell (WWII UK)
* William Westmoreland (Vietnam War US)
* Aleksandr Vasilevsky (WWII Soviet Union)
* Nikolai Vatutin (WWII Soviet Union)
* Kliment Voroshilov (Winter War and WWII)
* Yamamoto Isoroku (WWII Japan)
* Chen Yi
* Mao Zedong (Chinese communist leader)
* Georgy Zhukov (WWII Soviet Union)

MacArthur was a prima donna with serious mental problems and a only mediocre record.

I wouldn't give much for Patton and Montgomery either to be frank, any general who wastes their men's lives over a petty feud between him and his allies doesn't deserve the title "great".

General Sir Anthony Cecil Hogmanay Melchett


General Melchett: Now, Field Marshal Haig has formulated a brilliant tactical plan to ensure final victory in the field

Captain Blackadder: Would this brilliant plan involve us climbing over the top of our trenches and walking, very slowly towards the enemy?

Darling: How did you know that Blackadder? It's classified information

Captain Blackadder: It's the same plan we used last time, and the seventeen times before that

General Melchett: E-e-exactly! And that is what is so brilliant about it. It will catch the watchful Hun totally off guard. Doing exactly what we've done eighteen times before will be the last thing they expect us to do this time.

King Carl XII

Not my speciality exactly, but anyway...
Lennart Torstensson
Raimundo Montecuccoli
Stefan Czarniecki
Maurice of Saxonia
Tadeusz Kosciuszko

We make a looong list, and then debate the merits for inclusion of our candidates?

That's the idea here, right?

Okay, verbose, we should start it. Not mentioned until now is Hellmuth von Moltke BTW.

Adler

Mustafa Kemal Ataturk
Mao
Attila the Hun
Alexander Nevskiy
Saladin
I.Kilijarslan



Quintillus Varus
Crassus:joke:

what about Ibram Hannable, Peter the Greats best General, who was originally an african slave?

Gustavus Adolphus
Alexander the Great
Hannibal Barca
Napoleon Bonaparte
Rommel
Leonidas
Caesar
Richard I of England
Saladin

Epaminondas comes to mind.

V. Vazov
Suvorov
Rommel
Hanibal

We make a looong list, and then debate the merits for inclusion of our candidates?

That's the idea here, right?
Right Iam in mexico right now in a web cafe ...b ut when I get home I'll make a big edit
P.S. you gotta mention which cesar and ..... hanible (spl?) has been mentioned in the first post :goodjob: (only mentioning it cuz to more people mentioned him I think)

Federick the Great during the Seven Years War? Or who was the Prussian that fought off all those Russians and Austrians and Swedens and French

Federick the Great during the Seven Years War? Or who was the Prussian that fought off all those Russians and Austrians and Swedens and French

It was Fred

Heinz Guderian, more for his forward thinking in seeing the value of tanks as being beyond the simple replacement for cavalry, a theory shared by most western nations. Being the father of blitzkrieg, and therefor all wafare since

Heinz Guderian, more for his forward thinking in seeing the value of tanks as being beyond the simple replacement for cavalry, a theory shared by most western nations. Being the father of blitzkrieg, and therefor all wafare since

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/charles_de_gaulle.htm


Always regarded as a thinker, de Gaulle became a lecturer at the French Staff College in 1923 and it was here that he developed his ideas of a mobile war using tanks and planes. He had experienced the horrors of static war in World War One but also the success of a mobile campaign, as he witnessed in Poland, and his ideas in the 1920’s were obviously formulated around these experiences. Ironically, Heinz Guderian is usually credited with creating what was to be known as Blitzkrieg in World War Two. However, the ideas of men such as Charles de Gaulle and Britain’s Captain Liddell-Hart tend to be overlooked when looking at the background to Blitzkrieg. Whereas Guderian was given Hitler’s full support once he got to power in 1933, de Gaulle found that his ideas were not seized on by the French High Command – a similar experience to Liddell-Hart.

Blitzkrieg was invented by D Gaulle (French) and Liddel-Hart (English). Unfortunately, their respective high command were dumb guys who refused to see the potential. So De Gaulle wrote a book. It was read by Guderian... Who put it in practice.

Don't forget Tarıq bin Ziyad.

Why has Jan Zizka not been mentioned yet?

Steph: Another prominent name in that field who influenced such thinking was Fuller :)

Blitzkrieg was invented by D Gaulle (French) and Liddel-Hart (English). Unfortunately, their respective high command were dumb guys who refused to see the potential. So De Gaulle wrote a book. It was read by Guderian... Who put it in practice.

Liddel-Hart was the writer, and he didnt go into any detail about support elements, eg: dive bombers/rapid deplyment artillery, and later SP artillery. De-Gaulle is given far too much credit than he's worth. Commanding the 4th French armour division in the battle of France and hardly displaying the qualities of a fine tank general

Guderian put his own ideas into his own book Achtung Panzer which caught the attention of Hitler, and led to the formation of the first Panzer division

http://www.charles-de-gaulle.org/article.php3?id_article=295


Vers l'armée de métier, Berger-Levrault, 1934

Il développe la théorie de la nécessité d'un corps de blindés, alliant le feu et le mouvement, qui nécessite la création d'une armée professionnelle aux côtés de la conscription.

Ce livre étonnant n'eut en France qu'un bref succès de curiosité, mais inspira, de son propre aveu, le général Guderian, créateur de la force mécanique allemande.

Translation by me:
The Army of the future, 1934

De Gaulle developped the theory of the necessity of an armored corps, combining firepower and mobility, that requires the creation of a professional army beside the conscription army.
This surprising book had little succes in France, but inspired (from his own confession), General Guderian, creator of the German mechanized force.


Guderian wrote Achtung Panzer in 1936-1937. So you can hardly accuse De Gaulle of copying his ideas in a book written 2 years before, can you?

De Gaulle did registered some success against the German in 1940, but he had few tanks, no air support, and very few support for the rest of the army, and so these successes had little impact on the war. I don't really see how you can deduce from that he was a bad tank general.

The main achievement of Guderian was indeed to caught the attention of Hilter, while De Gaulle was unable to get the attention of the French high command.

De Gaulle did registered some success against the German in 1940, but he had few tanks, no air support, and very few support for the rest of the army, and so these successes had little impact on the war. I don't really see how you can deduce from that he was a bad tank general.
I agree.

The way it looked from the perspective of the officers and men in De Gaulles units:
They ran into the Germans, defeated them, pushed on, ran into some more, were thrown back, counterattacked, won again, ran out of fuel, retreated to refuel and rearm, were relieved by some other units and then suddenly learnt that the sector they had been fighting over had been given up.

At no time was there any impression among them that they had been outfought or defeated by the Germans opposing them. Instead their impression was that had there only been an unlimited amount of fuel and ammo, spare parts and replacement tanks, they could have rolled into Berlin eventually. But lacking these their efforts would turn out to be futile of course.

De Gaulle and his tanks didn't fail in 1940 because of issues of either the technical or tactial quality of the men, machines or commander, but because of lack of resources/infrastructure, while being deployed within a larger framework where whatever good they did couldn't quite be exploited.

It's Stefan Czarnecki, not Czarniecki.
Hm, in Polish history I'd like to mention
Boleslaw Chrobry - he reunited Poland, conquered Lusatia up to Elbe defeating Holy Roman Empire in thre wars, conquered Slovakia, Moravia nd briefly Czechs, defeated Kievan Ruthenia, captured Kiev and put his men on its throne etc.
Chodkiewicz - for his wars against Russia and Turkey. Stefan Batory - for Livonia war aginst Russia. Sobieski - for Turkey, Bem - for November Uprising and Hungarian one; Pilsudski - for defeating SU. Czarnecki perhaps, after all the situation seemed hopeless, all what was left of Poland in this war in some point were several villages in the mountains, one besieged monastery and three besieged forts or cities. Rokossowski - for the same as Zhukow.

Of world history
Mitrydates - for wars aginst Rome and creating a short-living empire
Qutuz & Baybars - for stoping Mongol conquest in Middle East. Baybars alone for further victories over Mongols, Franks, Nubians etc.
Saldin was already mentioned
John Tzimiskes and Nikefor Fokas - for their victories over muslims
Basilios Bulgaroktonos - for his victories over Bulgarians and muslims
John Vatazes & Michael VIII - for reviving Byzantine Empire despite great number of enemies.
Belisarios & Narses - for restoring byzantine rule in Africa and Italy
Alexios Komnenos - for restoring Byzantine rule in much of Anatolia
etc

It's Stefan Czarnecki, not Czarniecki.

I think you can use both forms. Googling on only Polish sites, for instance, actually gave me more hits for "Czarniecki", this including the Polish version of Wikipedia.

Instead their impression was that had there only been an unlimited amount of fuel and ammo, spare parts and replacement tanks, they could have rolled into Berlin eventually.
Under these circumstances anyone would have been able to roll into Berlin, even a French general... ;)

Under these circumstances anyone would have been able to roll into Berlin, even a French general... ;)
Of course.
That was what I was saying. The fighting went fine, the logistics and follow-up sucked.
This was a "war of material" and of developing "a mechanical force of greater magnitude than the enemy's", to quote the old general himself.

Stuff like character, courage etc. were all beside the point - but the US whining about France in 1940 always mistakenly assumes those were the real issues in the defeat.:p;)

In 1940 de Gaulle would actually berate victorious junior officers, pleased with their own efforts but turning up after having had their tanks destroyed, saying:
"Where's your tank? I have no use for men! I need machines!":goodjob:

What about Vespasian? He started as a general IIRC.