I would like to create a party for people with the following views:

(Our manifesto)
1. Our society be a free one. One of Free speech, a free market, one of universal suffrage, free religion etc. We shall in noways control any aspects of our society.

2. Try to maintain positive and prosperous relationships with our neighbors, leading to a greater and more peaceful world.

3. We shall maintain a peace-through-strength system. This means that we will build up a mighty army so that opposing nations may think twice about doing anything unnessecary towards us. Also if a threat is immenent, the party's view is to allow preeminate strikes on a foreign nation for the safety and well-being of our nation.


These are the three basic positions of our party. If you would like questions, make suggestions, or would like to join, please post below.

Thanks!:goodjob:

Congrats on starting a new party. I will not join for 2 rasons, the first is that the manifesto is against my oppinons on a succesful game of civ and on how the demogame politics should work, and the second is that I am loyal to my own Political party called "The Party" which is virtually the direct opposite.

Good Luck and I hope that you will reach the level of the IIP someday.

I'll join.

-the Wolf

I'll join, too! Good points!

thanks guys. hey could you guys send messages to people about joining that would be appreciated. Thanks again!

5star

Would we like to create special positions for our party?

I would be president first off since I created the party. So the v.p. candidates are Alphawolf and Stilgar. When we increase members, think of more positions we can give.

Keep the suggestions, comments, members coming!

Thanks!

Just a reminder to join or recruit new members of the Hawk-Dove Party!

I'll join if I get a leading position in the party.
Long live the Hawk-Dove Party!

I declare Oagersnap Vice President of the Hawk-Dove party!

As president I would always like to have your suggestions!

O oargersnap, as V.P. I would like it if you could help recruit new members.:goodjob:

Thank you! I will add the propaganda to my signature immediately! :D Maybe you should do so too, mr. President?

EDIT: If you have anything about the party to tell me, 5_star, PM me!

sure thing mr. Vice President!!

current members:
Alphawolf
Stilgar08
5star_US--president
oagersnap--vice president

I'm thinking of certain positions like maybe a secretary, or a campaign manager. Anyways keep the suggestions coming, and keep on recruiting!

5star_US, president of the Hawk-Dove party

I will join the Hawk-Dove party! I believe in your ideas and would like to be in with people who know what they are doing (as I have never done a Demogame before). I will be a minion . . . no leadership position required. However, if you really need someone I will fill the role.

Long live the Hawk-Dove Party!!

Nice party but im not going to join.i disagree with point three, sounds like the build up of World War one really, also to maintain a large army and then not use it would detract resources from the economy.

Bantste, as president of the Hawk-Dove party, It would be my honor if you would be the Campaign/Propoganda (not in a bad way!:) ) Secretary. In this seat you would hold the responsibility of helping recruit new members and letting people know about the Hawk-Dove party.

Current members:
Stilgar_08
Alphawolf
5star_US--Party President
oagersnap--Party Vice-President
bantste-- Campaign-Recruitment Secretary.

Thank you for the new post. As you see, I already created a nice signature to help spread the word. Ill do my best!

oooh catchy!!!! I like it!!:goodjob:

I would like to send out a congratulations to Alphawolf for his election to the Presidency. Although he also leads our sister party, the IIP, I'm sure he will represent the views of our party well. CONGRATULATIONS!

Here's to Alphawolf!:king:

I'm attracted by the concept of peace through superior firepower. :D But I'm not so happy about the idea of free religion. Religion has led to so much war and suffering throughout history that I believe that all that firepower should be used to promote the concept of no religion. We'd have big guns so why would we need any god on our side? :crazyeye:

we will not promote any religion, yet we will not promote you can't have any religion. If anyone gets too dangerous then we use our firepower, period.

I think that a liberal use of our superior firepower might just win me over. Vote Hawk-Dove I say! Or we'll blow your bloody head off. :lol:

Thats Great then Hardvark! Anyone who wants to join will be allowed since we are a free and strong party!!! Hardvark, if you would like to suggest a position for yourself, or just have anything to say at all, just let me know.

Current members:5star_US--president
oagersnap--vice president
bantste--Campaign-Recruitment Secretary
Stilgar_o8
Alphawolf
Hardvark

Keep up the good work!

Glad to be on board! I shall start campaigning! :king:

Hey Hardvark, welcome to the Hawk-Dove Party! Its great to see a new member involved. From what I read, I think you represent the party's view of peace via superior forces well and will make a great addition to our team!

Just thought we could use some type of party banner or logo.;)

Just ignore the second page. woops.

Thats pretty good! I don't know how you plan on using it for anything, but it will serve the purpose whereever it is applied!

it looks like you have a good party here, and i regret i cannot join at this time, but as a word of advice, once your party grows have elections for the positions you give out, as it adds interest, and in my first party, the Destiny Party, I just gave out the positions and interest eventually waned enough that I had to allow my party to be absorbed by the IIP, so thats just some advice. Maybe in the future i'll join, but as of now my hands are full! :goodjob: Nice Party:goodjob:

thanks for the tip swissempire. Join in whenever you have the time.:goodjob:

And I was thinking about using the banner during elections and stuff. Who knows, people might join cause they get attracted by pretty things.

Ok, sounds good to me.

I'd like to sign up as a member of the Hawk-Dove party. I like your stance on government and the role of the military in international relations.

Very well then Bengeance! Welcome to the Hawk-Dove Party!

Feel free to post suggestions or whatever you need answered.

Also I feel it is necessary to announce the news of the corrupt election to our party. You can find it in http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=152528 the link provided.

It has some controversial statements on the recent elections, and our own party member and President Alphawolf. Don't jump to conclusions, yet, for we first as people who should be nonjudgemental, should first presume innocence before guilt.

I just thought you should all know.

members: 5star_US--president
oagersnap-- vice president
bantste--Recruitment Secretary
Hardvark
Stilgar_08
swissempire (will join when he has the chance.:lol: )
Alphawolf *pending result of allegations
Bengeance

Also I feel it is necessary to announce the news of the corrupt election to our party. You can find it in http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=152528 the link provided.

It has some controversial statements on the recent elections, and our own party member and President Alphawolf. Don't jump to conclusions, yet, for we first as people who should be nonjudgemental, should first presume innocence before guilt.

I just thought you should all know.

You have to have a certain admiration for someone who will (allegedly ;) ) go to such lengths just to avoid losing a vote. This is why democracy gives you such a warm fuzzy feeling inside. :lol:

You have to have a certain admiration for someone who will (allegedly ;) ) go to such lengths just to avoid losing a vote. This is why democracy gives you such a warm fuzzy feeling inside. :lol:

Now, to quote our party leader, don't jump to conclusions, but it is pretty suspecious that Alphawolf hasn't posted since the 1st.

Now, to quote our party leader, don't jump to conclusions, but it is pretty suspecious that Alphawolf hasn't posted since the 1st.

You're right, we shouldn't jump to any conclusions. For all we know Alphawolf's pc could have given up on the 1st (probably under the strain of maintaining all those identities :lol: ).

You have to have a certain admiration for someone who will (allegedly ;) ) go to such lengths just to avoid losing a vote. This is why democracy gives you such a warm fuzzy feeling inside. :lol:
This is just a hypothetical question, but I know what feeling warm is like, but what is fuzzy?:lol: Usually fuzzy reminds me that I'm about to throw up or something.

This is just a hypothetical question, but I know what feeling warm is like, but what is fuzzy?:lol: Usually fuzzy reminds me that I'm about to throw up or something.

That's the effect that democracy has on me as well! :lol:

Just to be serious for a moment (for which I apologise :D ) - what is the purpose of this party? I'm not really sure what the Game of Democracy is. I was lured from the general discussions forum by the appeal of this party's philosophy and joined up on an impulse. Do I need to do anything else to be a useful party member? I've had a quick look on the Game Of Democracy forum and there was something about registering as a citizen. Is this something that I should/need to do? :confused:

members: 5star_US--president
oagersnap-- vice president
bantste--Recruitment Secretary
Hardvark
Stilgar_08
swissempire (will join when he has the chance.:lol: )
Alphawolf *pending result of allegations

Doh, and here I thought I had joined up with the Hawk-Doves. :p

Just to be serious for a moment (for which I apologise :D ) - what is the purpose of this party? I'm not really sure what the Game of Democracy is. I was lured from the general discussions forum by the appeal of this party's philosophy and joined up on an impulse. Do I need to do anything else to be a useful party member? I've had a quick look on the Game Of Democracy forum and there was something about registering as a citizen. Is this something that I should/need to do? :confused:

Yes Register yourself right away!!! http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=132266
Otherwise you can't take part in the demo game. The Demo game is like a mock democracy, we have political powers, have elections, vote on the well-being of our nation, all based off of Civ 4 games. To me just keep up the good work, and keep trying to lure people into the Hawk-Dove party.

Oh and our party views and purposes are listed on the first post. If anyone has any other ideas of what our party should stand for, please post suggestions.

O and Bengeance, I edited it. You are part of the Hawk-Dove party...:mischief:

5star, put me in, because i feel that i will at a cultured bit to this party. That is not an insult, that is me trying to get members of your fine party to join my fine party, in which they can get to it through my sig. If you would appoint me Officer of Culture, I would be much oblidged!

Yes Register yourself right away!!! http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=132266
Otherwise you can't take part in the demo game. The Demo game is like a mock democracy, we have political powers, have elections, vote on the well-being of our nation, all based off of Civ 4 games. To me just keep up the good work, and keep trying to lure people into the Hawk-Dove party.

Oh and our party views and purposes are listed on the first post. If anyone has any other ideas of what our party should stand for, please post suggestions.

Thanks 5star! I've registered myself as a good citizen and humbly begged entry into the Democracy Game. :D

I would like to start a discussion about what role we will attempt to fill in the upcoming demo game.

I see a couple of possibilities. 1) Run for offices of Minsiter of Science, Secretary of War, and various govenorships in an effort to directly influence both research and military capabilities. 2) Actively lobby for appropriate research and buildup by those members of the Demogame who are elected while each member pursues their individual avenue of preference for participation in the Demogame.

I personally think that option 1 is the most likely to succeed in attaining our goals and would like to see that option pursued. But I also acknowledge that I don't have any experience in previous Demogames and that my personal preference is for the more actively engaged Demogame roles.

One other option that may be worth pursuing in addition to either of the others is to set up a "Shadow Government" whereby each member of the Hawk-Doves will assume one of the roles of the actual government in an effort to spur thought and debate among ourselves on the best course to present to the overall leadership of the Demogame.

This would effectively give us some experience in the roles that we may decide to pursue and also allow us to flush out silly mistakes and weak arguments before we hit the discussion boards to persuade the majority.

Anyway, Just thought I would run some ideas up the flagpole and see what kind of reaction they get.

You'll have to forgive me if I'm being an idiot, but it seems to me that the civics we're promoting aren't generally available until the mid-game period (unless of course we build the Pyramids and get the choice of Universal Sufferage early on). The early game direction will therefore dictate to some extent the viability of our ideal civics. For example, Free Religion only works if multiple religions have been allowed to spread throughout our cities. If it is decided early on to found a religion and then go for Theocracy, it would be difficult to argue for Free Religion later because there will be little benefit to be gained. Therefore (and now I come to my point and honestly I do have one, however much it may appear that I'm rambling :crazyeye: ) I agree with Bengeance that we need to run for offices, or at least identify other candidates who share our views and support them (working on the assumption that as good as Hawk-Dove may be :king: we're not going to be able to monopolise every position).

I also agree with Bengeance that it would be better to make idiots of ourselves in here, before going forth and declaring our idiocy to the rest of the citizens. :lol:

Anyway, that's my two pennies worth and now I need to go and have a lie down so that my brain can recover from all this exertion. :D

Update! As the recruitment secretary I just posted this on the IIP's forum thread:

"Attention members of the IIP! As we all know your former leader Alphawolf has been ensnarled in an embarrassing scandal, and his prospects of a comeback (if he even returns) are low at best. With the scandal and the fallout that this party may observe in the coming weeks, I just wanted to let you in on a viable alternative: the Hawk-Dove Party. We are still looking for more members, and we have a similiar message to the IIP, without the scandal of Alphawolf hanging over our heads. I am not trying to criticize any of you; it is not your fault that Alphawolf fooled us all. I liked him and all that he did, but it is time to move on. Here is the Hawk-Dove manifesto:

(Our manifesto)
1. Our society be a free one. One of Free speech, a free market, one of universal suffrage, free religion etc. We shall in noways control any aspects of our society.

2. Try to maintain positive and prosperous relationships with our neighbors, leading to a greater and more peaceful world.

3. We shall maintain a peace-through-strength system. This means that we will build up a mighty army so that opposing nations may think twice about doing anything unnessecary towards us. Also if a threat is immenent, the party's view is to allow preeminate strikes on a foreign nation for the safety and well-being of our nation.


These are the three basic positions of our party. We welcome anyone to join, and let it be known that I did not come here to harrass or bother you, rather to inform you of another alternative. I hope that no one is offended. Have a good day."

Hopefully this will help to increase our membership and give people another choice.

By the way, welcome to all of our new members! I am glad to see a few new active participants in our party.

Bantste, it's in bad taste to prophesize a party's fall and try to lure their members away in their own thread. I hope you delete this rude post immediately.

Bantste, as a hawk-dove member i would request you remove your comment from the IIP thread. I'm not mad, but a little disappointed. I like this party because it was NOT comprised of overbearing oppurtunists(not a jab at you banstse but at others who know of what i speak)

Yeah, Bantste, I have to agree with Swissempire here. Nothing against you or your drive to help us find more members, but we probably shouldn't advertise for members in the IIP thread. If some members of the IIP no longer wish to associate with that party because of all the scandal then I'm sure a fair share of them will find their way to our party on there own. We just need to be sure that we make it very clear that we are welcoming anyone who is interested.

Bantste, as a hawk-dove member i would request you remove your comment from the IIP thread. I'm not mad, but a little disappointed. I like this party because it was NOT comprised of overbearing oppurtunists(not a jab at you banstse but at others who know of what i speak)

I understand completely. I was hesitant to post there, but at the time I thought it seemed like a good idea. I see my error and have edited my post. I was being opportunistic and I apologize. I hope that my decision will not affect anyone's perception of the Hawk-Dove party, as it was mine and mine alone.

Ok swissempire, welcome to the Hawk-Dove party as our culture secretary!

Also, with the Civ4 civics thing, when the civics do arrive thats what we will stand for as a party. However, what our positions should be before these is complete up to everyone in the party.

And yes Bengeance, I do think it would be a good idea to nominate Hawk-Dove members to offices for elections next time around. Get our ideas into the government!

Ok swissempire, welcome to the Hawk-Dove party as our culture secretary!

Also, with the Civ4 civics thing, when the civics do arrive thats what we will stand for as a party. However, what our positions should be before these is complete up to everyone in the party.

In my view we should be against the use of Mercantilism and Theocracy (except perhaps for a limited period during times of war when those extra xps come in handy), as these 2 civics are very isolationist and will not aid the cause of peace - although they may provide an opportunity to use our superior firepower! :D As for the other 3 categories, I'm happy to use which ever ones seem most beneficial at the time, until our preferred civics become available.

Thought I would also go ahead and ask what positions different members would like to run for in the coming elections.

I personally think that I would like to try out a Govenorship before I get too far into other things like Minister of Blah.

So how bout you guys.

You know Governor would be something I would like too. You can even pick your own flag and name it and stuff, I think. I'd like to do this rather than throw myself into a situation like Presidency where I don't have enough experience in a demo game to even contend in the election.

Ya I don't think that we should be in favor of theocracy either. Mercantilism for me depends on what are status is during that particular time.

Also, would we like to post possible Hawk-Party Shadow Government positions? As in, just post which position you would like to have in the Shadow Government. I would not mind being a Govenor here as practice, and also wouldn't mind being Minister of Science.

Since I am new to the Demogames I would also like to ask any experienced members of the party to clue me in on any important items about the functioning of the Demogame, like importance of the turnchats and frequency of play sessions during a term in office.

well actually you can see my post count, I am still relatively new to the demo game. I think swissempire would be someone good to ask.

I would also like to be a governor some time down the road (at first there are so few positions.) Maybe Swissempire might be able to yield us a major position? He looks the most qualified.

Well i'm quite flattered:love: Maybe, who knows?

P.S. I respect oyu guys and invite you all to join the culturalists. I think that both parties could complement each other nicely. Peace through arms, and Growth through culture. A double bladed sword of expansion

I have a question that I'd like to put to my fellow party members, rather than subjecting myself to a firefight in the main DG forum at this point. My question is this:

Should the judiciary make decisions based on expediency?

My personal view is no, politicians make decisions based on expediency, the judiciary is there to make rulings based on the law - irrespective of whether those rulings are popular or expedient.

I haven't plucked this question completely out of the air. I spent last night reading through the judiciary forum and considering the justices ruling on the whole poll-fraud fiasco. It seems to me that the basis of their ruling was that all the polls were lawfully constituted and that it would delay the game too much to go through the whole process again. To my mind, as a judicial ruling that's not something that I'm comfortable with.

As I understand it, the situation was that there were 2 polls to choose a form of government. The first was tied and the second was won by triumvirate. The result of that second poll was then subject to a ratification vote. After it had been ratified, it became apparent that the first 2 polls had been subjected to massive fraud. The corrected results of the first 2 polls were that a flexible government was the choice of the people; however, that choice had been subverted. It seems to me that the result of the ratification cannot legally stand, because the foundation upon which it was based has been shown to be seriously flawed. By ruling that the polls were lawfully constituted, and that not abiding by the result of the ratification would delay the game, the judiciary have legitimised the fraud and aided the subversion of the will of the people. What sort of democracy is that?

Perhaps my view is a querk of living in a country with an independent judiciary, but I would be interested in hearing the views of the rest of the Hawk-Dove Party - even if those views are that I should climb back inside my box and replace the lid. :lol:

(I do realise that it's too late to do anything about the ruling - so this is really just an intellectual exercise to see where this party stands. :crazyeye: )

I also read the JR and was quite interested in the findings. The clearest defense of the decision that I found was that the first to polls while informative and important are superceded by the final ratification poll as written in the constitution. Therefore even though the intial polls were seriously flawed becuase of the DL fraud, the ratification poll allowed the will of the people to be expressed.

Also, if you have looked through the different versions of the Tri government that were debated I think you will find that through the process of debate and negotiation the Tri and Flex governments came much closer. I think that the JR reflects that the people have been able to modify the Tri form enough to satisfy their desires. It is impossible to know what would have become of the Flex government, but I am willing to bet that we would ended up close to where we are now even if we had started with that set of laws.

I also read the JR and was quite interested in the findings. The clearest defense of the decision that I found was that the first to polls while informative and important are superceded by the final ratification poll as written in the constitution. Therefore even though the intial polls were seriously flawed becuase of the DL fraud, the ratification poll allowed the will of the people to be expressed.

The problem with that is that the will of the people was expressed based upon the result of seriously flawed polls. They were asked to ratify a result which they could have reasonably expected to reflect the will of the people, or at least the will of those citizens who actually voted, but which in fact merely represented an individual's attempt to subvert that will.

Given that this is just a game and supposed to be fun, I accept that a certain amount of pragmatism is required if we're ever to get anywhere. But I think that a more legally defensible ruling would have been to let the people decide whether they were more interested in expedience than justice. A simple poll could have been held offering citizens the choice of accepting the flawed decision to choose the triumvirate as the preferred form of government, thus allowing the game to proceed, or to re-run the whole process to ensure that the chosen form of government reflected the will of the people. It needn't have delayed matters for more than a few days and could have provided the triumvirate government with considerably more legitimacy than it surely has at present.

Please excuse my continued roll as Devil's Advocate! :satan:

Actually they did run such a poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=152528).

As you can see, the will of the people was to continue on with the modified version of the Tri government that had been ratified.

Actually they did run such a poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=152528).

As you can see, the will of the people was to continue on with the modified version of the Tri government that had been ratified.

Thanks for that Bengeance. :D I shall cease to argue about the independence of our judiciary and find other things to occupy my mind.

On another point, is it just me or is it quite difficult finding out what's going on with the game. There's just so much information out there and so many different threads. I just stumbled by chance on the vote for the difficulty level. I was wondering if the low turnout in these polls is a result of people not really being aware that a poll is being held, rather than simply voter apathy - I mean, come on guys it's a bit early for the apathy to set in before the game's even started! :lol:

I know that simply looking at the poll forum should hopefully show you the latest poll. But if people have been posting on other threads in that forum the latest poll can slip down the page and easily be missed.

I wholeheartedly agree with the judicaries ruling. :p :goodjob:

I don't know, but they probably thought that the game was being dragged on too much, so they probably ruled that way just to get things moving. What do I know though.:lol:

So how many of you guys plan on making it to the creation event tomorrow?

not me. I got school then basketball, whoa I got a lot to do.

So Iv'e gotten word that we are the Egyptians. There a few threads on what are flag should be, what our name is, our capitol etc. Also there is news on what starting tech we should use. As hawk-dove leader I suggest the military option, since that is part of the party manifesto. I suggest you check it out.

I support the agriculture path, because that syncs well with the second tenet of our manifesto

I think we need to go for Animal Husbandry, then hunting...if we get a religion that is nice but I like to explore and get to know our area more before we commite to a single strategy.

Greetings and salutations from a co-founder of another partee.

I also agree with Bengeance that it would be better to make idiots of ourselves in here, before going forth and declaring our idiocy to the rest of the citizens.

Our idiocy is out there for all to see.

We appear to share many of the same ideals and I foresee a potential mutually beneficial voting bloc. Just looks like we're less serious than you.

Anyway, just wanted to say howdy. Y'all come round to chat, ya hear?

Yes, Mr. Kutzkov, I think you are a bit less serious.;)

For those of you who are not members of the Culturalists party I would like to direct you to a post (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=3598869#post3598869) that I made in that forum regarding the first turnchat and a member of the Demogame. I don't not intend this to be a personal attack on anyone, but it is my opinion on the actions of one member in relation to the game.

Interesting stuff there Bengeance. I wasn't at the chat though so I can't say whether he was good or bad.

Wow, man, you can't leave the demo game to long or you'll miss stuff. I just heard that DZ resigned from secretary of war.... and i think Greek Guy holds all the tri offices now... wow....

Yeah, I know. Losing DZ sucks, but we will survive without him. The game must go on.

:lol: Words of comfort, Bengeance.

DZ clearly wasn't cut out for a life in politics. He made an innocent mistake in what is, after all, only a game and felt compelled to immediately resign. Whereas in reality, politicians cling to their posts like grim death no matter how strong the whiff of corruption or incompetence that clings to them. :lol:

I would like to ask the members of this party for their support as I run for Minister of the Interior.

From this position I will be able to influence the development of an appropriately strong military, cultural and scientific buildings, and connecting valuable resources to our growing civilization.

I would like to ask the members of this party for their support as I run for Minister of the Interior.

From this position I will be able to influence the development of an appropriately strong military, cultural and scientific buildings, and connecting valuable resources to our growing civilization.

You've got my vote. :goodjob:

I'm running for censor, fellow party mates, and being a small party guy( not a meber of either of the current top two!) I need all the support i can get!!

A Passion for Polls and Penchant for the People, Vote Swissempire Term 2 Censor!

I'm running for censor, fellow party mates, and being a small party guy( not a meber of either of the current top two!) I need all the support i can get!!

A Passion for Polls and Penchant for the People, Vote Swissempire Term 2 Censor!

I vote to censor Swissempire! :mischief:

As leader of the party I would like to let you know that I support all fellow members of the party in their political asperations.

Also I was hoping that my fellow Hawk-Dove members would support me in my attempt to become Governor of Boaring Wallow.

Whoop whoop, 5star for govana!

Would the Hawk Dove Party please support me as I run for Head of Science? Remember Sid does what is best for the people of the demogame and not the corrupt corporate officials.

IamSid,

Since I haven't seen your platform yet, I will withold support for now, but I'm leaning in your direction. :)

IamSid,

Since I haven't seen your platform yet, I will withold support for now, but I'm leaning in your direction. :)
Thank you, once the voting starts I will put forth my platform, I am preparing it now.

Yes Sid, we will gladly support your political conquests. Also, I have announced my running for the Governor of Boaring Wallow. Please, I ask for your support for I am pitted up against some tough candidates.

Thanks,
5star_US

Elections are up, and while i hate to play politics, i would like to rally support for my censor run in the Parties i hold allegiance too.

A Passion for Polls and Penchant for the People, Vote Swissempire Term 2 Censor!

It's too bad that 5star pulled out of the election at the end there, but I am sure that he knows best what he is doing. Maybe we can get him appointed as a govenor of a new city. :)

I think the factor that made me pull out is that I had to focus on the particular city, when if I wait later on I could head multiple cities rather than Boaring WAllow.

Its good to see so many people are candidates for different government positions. I will vote for all of my fellow team members! I am sad to see that 5_star gave up his gubernotorial run, but I understand why. Good luck to all our candidates!

Well, just to let u guys know, I'm back. I just was busy lately so I didn't have quite enough time for the demogame.

Just had to pop in and break the silence! :crazyeye:

An important vote may soon be called on whether the people support the use of slavery. Where do the Hawk-Dove Party stand on this major issue? :hmm: I, for one, fully support our adoption of slavery at this time. Not so much because I want to use it against our own people, which I heartily disapprove of, but because we cannot simply expect to assimilate barbarian races into our empire without having to crack the whip a little. :whipped:

Of course, the whip should be withheld from any slave who seems to enjoy it! :lol:

I'm with you on this one. Use slavery until we have the option of something better.