I have played a few games in Rise and Rule mod, and it seems to be very interesting. In this SG we shall pass a way from a small tribe up to great empire, which will try to colonize the Alpha Centauri.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/Space1.jpg

Settings

Version: RaR v1.04b (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2687194&postcount=65)
Difficulty: Emperor
Civilization: Russia
Victory conditions: All enabled, but we are aiming for space

Size: Standart
Landmass: Continents, 70% water
Climate: Normal, Temperate, 4 Billion
Barbarians: Random
Opponents: Random


Rules

Our goal is not a fast victory. On the contrary, we should build a big empire, and try all features of the RaR mod. Therefore I will add a few rules:

We cant start a war while we are in Chiefdom goverment.
We can't be in war with more then one civilization in the same time.
Player may capture, raze, or take via peace treaty only one city per turnset.
If AI demands a tribute and we can start a war according to the rules written above, we should refuse.
We must never pay for peace
...Any suggestions?


SG stuff

Four players in roster, 24h for "got it" and 48h for play. If you cannot play, please warn of it in advance.
20 turns per turnset in the first round, then 10 turns in set.


Starting position:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/SM2_Start.JPG

Roster:

Smart
Mathias
Own
General Mayhem

I'll move the settler SE one to grab the mountain and the apple

Oh Smart, I'm terribly sorry, but I can't play RaR SG's because of my idiotic failure to install 1.04b Beta. Perhaps laziness and idiocy combined, because transfering each file by hand (which I still don't know what that means) was giving me carpel tunnel. Will lurk though.

I'd move the settler south to be able to work the apple on turn one, not having to wait for a palace expansion and get the BG's.

Got it to work! I'll join, but put me at the bottom of the roster, I've got SM1 and Own7 to play right now while trying to install graphics card.

On a food bonus start, Smart, you can easily crank this up to DG or D. Be not afraid. Full plate here though, so I'll only come to comment randomly from time to time :mischief: Agreed with MV on moving, but 1S seem more efficient to me. Mind posting the 4000BC save ? :)

@Own: It is good, that you have installed RaR, I've added you :beer:
@Beorn: This game is planned for RaR beginners, and I think emperor is ok :rolleyes:. As I said, I want to try most of RaR features, and, for example, on Deity and DG we could build only few Great Wonders... About food bonuce - in rar one citizen eats 3fpt, and AFAIK without that apple capital will not grow to size 3 or higher...
I will play first turnset tonight, and then will post 3000BC save

I'd suggest to move Tribe S too, we need that apple immediatly.

But you lose those hills to the North and East

Actually moving south will get us one more hill than SE would.

Turn 1
Move tribe 1S and found Moscow.
Starting on Masonry

Turn 5
Worker roads apple, move him to BG

Turn 6
Roading BG.

Turn 7
Meet Japan. Trade Alpha + Domestication for Warfare and 17 gold.
Up lux to 10%

Turn 8
Moscow ranger>ranger

Turn 9
Move worker to road next BG

Turn 13
Moscow ranger>Wiseman
Researching Pottery (7 turns)
Meet Siam, trade Domestication + Masonry for Cultivation, Boat building, Ritualism , 25 gold and 1 gpt. :)

Trade with Japan: Masonry + 40g + 1gpt for Ritualism

Turn 16
Meet Arabs, nothing to trade...

Turn 17
Moscow Grows, set lux to 20%

Turn 20
Pottery has been researched, start on Writing

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/SM1_3000BC.JPG

I think, Own can take save. If he don't want to play now, we can wait for other players to join...

SM1_3000_BC.SAV (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/SM1_3000_BC.SAV)

I'll wait, right now I'm in the middle of installing the graphics card, and can't play.

Nobody else have RaR :hmm:
If somebody have troubles with installation of RaR v1.04b patch, just post here, or PM me, I can explain to you as well as to Own :)

There are also some problems with the longboat. You have to copy som files and put them in there. This is probably ot for everybody though...

I'll join. Got it.

3000 BC (0)
IT: Wiseman >> Tribal Guardsman

2850 BC (3)
Pottery to Japan for 31 gold
Alphabet, Cultivation, and Pottery to Arabs for Scrape Mining
Japan and Siam are at war

2670 BC (7)
IT: TG >> Clan

2630 BC (8)
IT: Writing >> Caste System

2590 BC (9)
Writing + 66 gold to Japan for two slave workers
Writing to Siam for 71 gold

2510 BC (11)
Siam has Caste System, everyone has The Wheel
130 gold + 3 gpt to Siam for CS
CS to Japan for TW + 16 gold
CS to Arabs for 37 gold + 2 gpt
Total: 77 gold + 1 gpt for CS + TW

2310 BC (16)
Siam has Slavery

2270 BC (17)
IT: Clan >> TG

2230 BC (18)
IT: Urbanization >> Dynasticism

2190 BC (19)
Japan and Siam have sailing, everyone has Urbanization :mad:

2150 BC (20)
Japan has Slavery, Arabs have Sailing, Siam has all the gold

Moscow could build Warrior instead of TG.

Filename changed from SM1 to SM2.

I will lower the number of players to four, so we need only one more player, and then I will close the roster.

Roster:
Smart
Mathias
Open!
Own

Madviking, do you wish to join to this SG? :rolleyes:

No, me a lurker! :D

To keep it going I will play next turnset tomorrow, if Own will not "get it"...

Oh, I'm up? I thought we were waiting for more players. Got it then.

The situation here is like in the Math09 RaR SG - only three players atm...
Maybe somebody will join later :rolleyes:

Pre-turn- Move clan and workers

1. Found St. Petersburg.

2. Tokugawa demands 22 gold, I cave.

4. Coffee is in.

8. Tribal guards men > clan.

10. Siam demands and gets 22 gold.

Heres a dotmap. What is the order in which we should settle? Any changes? I like wide spacing in RaR because you can go to size 15 before hospitals.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/SM2_DotMap.JPG

@Own:
I'd like OCP, to get big metropolises later in the game. Will make dotmap soon.

@Mathias:
What program did you used to plan city placement - New city 1 (planned), New city 2 (planned) etc., on your screen?

That's civassistII, found in the utility programs forum in C&C. It's awesome.

That's a feature of CivAssist II. As you can probably guess, I'd like to expand to the northeast first.

I've already used CA2 for alerts (riots, MM, etc.), but never saw that option. Will try it now :goodjob:

This utility is really great :thumbsup:. I've made OCP "dotmap" - minimal waste of tiles and minimal city overlap:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/SM2_OCP.JPG

I think, we should build the first uncorrupted ring ASAP, and only then start working on second one.

And one question: how to remove those green lines from the map in CA2?

Odd lines on the map here and there are sometimes due to your graphic mods, which do not translate perfectly onto CA2. And while I'm here, for both distance corruption and elephants, I'd say swap #1 and #3 in the order - monuments are good enough (and much cheaper than a settler) for getting an easy border expansion, if that was #1's purpose for St-Pet ;)

We need to claim the iron first, then get access to the elephants, before worrying about rings. Also notice that your placement doesn't get the pearls or the seal, both +1 food resources.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/DMathias/SM2_dotmap_1750BC.jpg

Sure, I dont have watched on the resources, when I build a dotmap. But your city placement is too tightly. OCP means that distance between towns should be 5 tiles, or at least 4.

New dotmap:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/SM2_OCP_2.JPG

If you guys want a 4th I just got 1.04b working, so I'd be interested in the 4th slot.

Welcome to our team, General Mayhem. I will add you to 4th slot.
So, you is UP now. Look to the picture above, and found the next city on "New City 1" place.

Btw, I said in the first post, that we are playing 20 turns per set in the first round. Since Own have played only 10 turns :crazyeye:, you can choose, how many turns you will play - 10 or 20.


Roster:
Smart - on deck
Mathias
Own
General Mayhem - UP

Oh, I thought by first round you meant set, because that's the SG standard.

Got it, I'll see how long it takes, if its a bunch of hitting enter I'll probably play 20.

Turn Log

Turn 0 (1750 B.C.)

Cut back science to 40% for a turn to get some extra cash from beaker over-run, otherwise everything looks good.

Turn 1 (1725 B.C.)

Dynasticism comes in, start on Code of Laws. Thanks to us getting dynasticism, we now have to build 3 pop pioneers, and with Moscow growing in 17 turns that doesn't work out, so switch to a hardy pioneer which only takes 2 pop and will complete when Moscow finishes growing. St. Petersburg finishes worker, starts worker housing.

Turns 2 - 10 (1700 B.C. to 1500 B.C.)

Nada

Turn 11 (1475 B.C.)

St. Petersburg grows

Turn 12 (1450 B.C.)

Arabia starts the Hanging Gardens.

Turn 13 (1425 B.C.)

Code of Laws comes in, start on Philosophy. We finally have a monopoly tech, so start shopping: Siam is the high bidder, giving us 15 gold, Bronze working, and Mysticism for COL, Arabia then gives us 5 gold, Sailing, and
weaving for COL, then 40 gold and COL goes to Japan for Aristocracy. We end up only being down slavery, and with tea just outside the borders of Moscow.

Turn 14 (1400 B.C.)

Arabia demands and gets 23 gold.

Turn 15 (1375 B.C.)

Nada

Turn 16 (1350 B.C.)

Arabia and Siam now have construction, but won't sell.

Turn 17 (1325 B.C.)

Nada

Turn 18 (1300 B.C.)

Moscow finishes hardy pioneer, starts another.

Turn 19 (1275 B.C.)

All 3 other civs now know mythology, but want 2 arms and a leg for it.

Turn 20 (1250 B.C.)

Nada

Philosophy due in 7, we "should" get it first, I'd take iron working as our freebie, it would give us 2 monopoly techs to play with. I avoided the switch to Monarchy to try to ensure us getting Philosophy, as soon as it comes in we should probably revolt. The hardy pioneer is headed towards new city 1, once he gets founded we will have a good shot at iron if we build a shrine as the first build to get some culture.

The Save (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/SM2_1250_GM.SAV)

The world in 1250 B.C.:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/world1250bc.JPG

Ooh, tea. Lookin good, I'd say go for the tea first then the elephants.

I'd disagree there, elephant riders=1 turn roads, need I say more? :p Plus a city 1 NW of the elephants could get us both...

elephant riders=1 turn roads,

What does this mean?

What does this mean?
Maybe that they can build roads and chop forests ;)

Cool, I didn't know that.

Elephant riders are capable of building roads, and on grassland/plains can build them in 1 turn. 2 or 3 of them frees up the worker force for doing city improvements, and I typically don't upgrade them just because they are so useful as road builders even after they go obsolete as fighting units.

I think we should build the next city on place 3, to get both Tea and Incense. From philosophy we must take Democracy for free, and then revolt.

Cut back science to 40% for a turn to get some extra cash from beaker over-run
Since Chiefdoom goverment have 50% rate cap, you cant get 60% income (100-40% science). I think, moving research slider down, to get income more then it's allowed by rate cap is exploit, because game will move slider back to 50% after the turn ends, but you will get an extra cash.
Dont use this later :rolleyes:

Got it....

Turn 1
St.P. WH > Wiseman.

Turn 3
Kiev was founded. Workers are connecting Iron, Incense and Elephants.

Turn 5
Arabs have established embassy in Moscow.
Worker builds road to Tea.

Turn 6
Discover the Philosophy, take Democracy for free.
Revolt and got only 2 tuns of anarchy!
Sell Philo to Arabs for Construction and Mythology; to Japan for Slavery and Fermentation; to Siam for worker and 2 gold
Sell Democracy to Arabs for Civil Enginering and 184 gold.
Start researching Riding to get access to Elephant training

Turn 8
Anarchy ends, we are in Democracy now. Science to 80%, Riding in 4 turns.
Switch Moscow from Hardy pioner to the normal one, because cities are growing faster now (3fpt grasslands, instead of 2)

Turn 11
Riding > Elephant training
Buy Polytheism from Japan for Riding

Turn 13
Moscow Pioneer > Worker housing

Turn 14
St.P. Wiseman > Pioneer

Turn 16
Minsk was founded. Start working on Wiseman.

Turn 17
ET > Math

Turn 19
Math > Trade
Sell Elephant Training and Mathematics to Arabs for Monotheism and 42 gold.

Turn 20
Incense near Minsk is connected.
________________________________

Screen and dotmap:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/SM2_750BC.JPG

Roster:
Smart
Mathias - UP
Own - on deck
General Mayhem

10 turns per set from this moment.
Save: SM2_750BC.SAV (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/SM2_750BC.SAV)

Good trading and research. We need to get elephants ASAP to hit Japan.

I'll get it tomorrow.

730 BC (1)
MM Moscow for growth in 1

IT: Trade >> Classical Education
Moscow Worker Housing >> Forge
Arabs complete Hanging Gardens, begin Sphinx

710 BC (2)
MM St Petes for Pioneer in 2 (vs 4 with wasted shields)
Sell Trade to Arabs for 94 gold
Trade Trade to Japan for Naval Warfare

690 BC (3)
IT: St Petes Pioneer >> Monument
Kiev WH >> Wiseman Courthouse (forest chop due in 4)

670 BC (4)
IT: Minsk Wiseman >> Worker Housing

650 BC (5)
Arabs have Seafaring

630 BC (6)
IT: Classical Education >> Iron Working

610 BC (7)
IT: Moscow Forge >> Granary

590 BC (8)
Arabs have Iron Working
Trade Classical Education to Arabs for Iron Working and 109 gold
Research Military Training

IT: Arabs complete Sphinx (SGL from IW, no doubt) begin Mausoleum

570 BC (9)
Smolensk founded >> Monument

IT: St Petes Monument >> ?

550 BC (10)
St Petes is set to build Hardy Pioneer, but I think we should build a Granary first. We'll have the cattle in 9 turns.

Kiev Courthouse due. We should focus on military here.

With the Granary, Moscow can grow every 3 turns with MM. With 15 spt at size 5, it can be set for a 6-turn cycle of Sword(or Spear)+Hardy Pioneer.

:bump: Own - UP

Roster:
Smart
Mathias
Own
General Mayhem

Got it, but finish today likely, as I've got to finish own7

Pre-turn- Looks fabulous

1. Moscow Granary > hardy pioneers, Kiev courthouse > forge.

2. Get mil train. Trade it and 200 gold to Arabs for barding, then CE, bard, and mil train to Japan for seafaring and republic. Start on horsebreeding.

4. Siam demands military training. I refuse, he declares. Oh well. I established embassy with japan, but I could only sign a trade embargo. Oh well.

5. Arabia demands forty something gold, I cave. Minsk worker housing to barracks.

6. Moscow hardy pioneer > germanic spear. Kiev forge > rax.

7. Finish horse breeding and we get an SGL! Trade it and 20 gold to arabs for currency. Rush the Stongehenge for the granaries. Start on warrior code.

8. Moscow stongehenge > germanic spear.

9. Found odessa by the cattle. Start on worker.

10. Smolensk monument > forge. St. Pete's gets a settler, but I'll let the next player decide where to send him.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/SM2_250BC.JPG

Got it, will play over the weekend at some point.

Sorry guys, RL interfered this weekend, please skip me this round.

:mischief: Ok, I got it...

Pre-turn
Lower science to 60%, WC in 3 anyway...

IT
Moscow GS > Hardy pioneer

Turn 2
Siam will talk for peace, but want a tech for it... I said no.

IT
WC > Vassalage
Kiev GS > Hardy pioneer
Arabs built the Oracle

Turn 3
Arabs got Invention and Teology from Oracle.
They don't want to sell Invention, and I buy Teology for WC and 50 gold.
Only Arabs are in MA, and they have 2k gold.

Turn 5
Worker completed road to Smolensk, put tax collector to work on grassland.

IT
Moscow HP > HP, Minsk rax > MDI
Siam brings two archers.

Turn 7
Vassalage > Feudalism
Trade vassalage and 115 gold for Invention to Arabs.

Turn 9
Archer dies attacking Kiev.
Horseman pilages road on forest.
Culture expansion in Smolensk, we have elephants. Change production in Minsk to Elephant rider.
Tblisi was founded.

IT
Horseman dies attacking Kiev.
St. P. Hardy pioneer > Forge
Smolensk Wiseman > Forge

Turn 10
Move HP with ranger


Screen:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/SM2_scrr.JPG

Save: SM2_150_BC.SAV (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/SM2_150_BC.SAV)

Whoops, I guess that would be me. I would have played last night, had I realized I was up. I don't have time to take it tonight, but I can play tomorrow evening. If Own can take it tonight for a swap, that'd be great.

150 BC (0)
I made some changes to build orders. We need to keep our population up as we expand, and settler units were being built at the wrong time or wrong place.
-Moscow to Temple, MM to grow and complete temple this turn
-St Petersburg to HP, MM for +5 fpt
-Kiev to Elephant Rider
Give 60 gold to Siam for peace.

IT: Moscow Temple >> HP
Siam begins Great Wall

130 BC (1)
IT: Feudalism >> Crop Rotation

110 BC (2)
Sell Worker Housings
Trade Feud to Arabs for Milling + 19 gpt

IT: Arabs complete Sun Tzu's, begin Slave Trade

90 BC (3)
Lux to 10%
MM Moscow for growth
Minsk changed to Forge

IT: Odessa Forge >> Peasant
Arabs begin Angkor Wat

70 BC (4)
Sverdlovsk founded, begins Courthouse. This can be changed to anything else later.
Trade Invention + Warrior Code + Vassalage + Theology to Japan for Lateen Sail + 317g + 16gpt

IT: Japan wants embargo against Siam, but isn't willing to give even a single gold piece for it.
Kiev Elephant >> Elephant
Minsk Forge >> Peasant

50 BC (5)
Tbilisi changed to Wiseman

IT: Crop Rotation >> Engineering
Moscow HP >> Pike
Odessa Peasant >> Peasant

30 BC (6)
Arabs have Mounted Archery

IT: Minsk Peasant >> Elephant
Sevastopol Wiseman >> Peasant

10 BC (7)
IT: Odessa Peasant >> Wiseman

10 AD (8)
IT: Tbilisi Wiseman >> Monument (should have built this instead of wiseman)

30 AD (9)
Smolensk gets a taxman, MP moving from Sevastopol

IT: Engineering >> Naval Spirit (on second thought, we'll probably have Navigation before we build a boat...)
Moscow Pikeman >> Pikeman
St Petersburg HP >> Pioneer

50 AD (10)
I think a city should be built on the FP north of the pigs, rather than on the gold. Or perhaps on the hill nestled in the mountains, with another city just east of the gold. Hmm... 5 FP, pigs on plains, 5 mountains and a hill... massive.

:bump: Own, you is UP. Does 24/48 rule still work? :dubious:

I thought I posted a got it yesterday. Funny, it's not there. Got it.

Pre-turn- MM a little

1. Trade Arabia Crop Rotation and Engineering for alchemy, need salt location. Move settler by FP's a little to get salt when he founds city.

2. Move city again after finding out you can't settle on desert. Didn't mention in the civilopedia, which I checked. Lower SCI to 50%. Sevastopol peasant > forge and Odessa wiseman Russian > philosophers school.

3. Naval Spirit > Scientific Method after razing science to 80%. Smolensk forge > academy. Moscow Pikeman > philospher's school. Kiev WE > philosophers school. Found Vladiovostok, start on peasant. Found Yakutsk, start on forge. Raise lux. Get fundamentalism for feud and 20 gold from india Siam. Civ crashed. Damn. More later.

4. St. Petes Pioneer to Forge. Lux down 10%.

5. Moscow philosphers schoo > academy.

6. SCI 30%

7. Sci Method > Gunspowder. SCI 80%, due in four. Moscow Academy > water mill. After some production buildings finish, Leo's should be built. Very valuable. Trade SCI mehod and 220 gold to Arabia for clockworks.

8. Kiev philosphers school > academy.

9. Found Novgorod. St. Petes Forge > philosophers school. Odessa PS > Academy. Minsk WE > PS. TBlisi monument > forge.

10. Babu demands 92 gold. I give in.


Notes: We're in a builder mode right now, probably no war for a while.

Here's our core

Babu demands 92 gold. I give in.
As I said in the first post (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=3511358&postcount=1), we can't give a tribute if we can start a war. We must refuse when next demand will come.

General Mayhem, you is UP, please say if you need swap or skip.

I'm really sorry guys, and I don't really want to do this, but recent events in RL have severely curtailed my free time, and I don't really have time for civ. I'm going to have to drop. Good luck, and again, sorry for having to drop this.

If you don't mind, I'l join. :)
I good at Monarch and mediorcre at Emp...

No problems, General Mayhem. That's made me UP, got it.

Roster:
Smart - playing now
Mathias - on deck
Own
Open slot!

Cross-posted :p
Wellcome, madviking :beer:
It isn't bad that you usually played on Monarch, I've added you to the roster. If you need any kind of help during the turnset, just ask ;)

Roster:
Smart - playing now
Mathias - on deck
Own
madviking

Pre-turn
MM Moscow for faster growth and Minsk to get one more shield. Science to 40%, gunpower still in one turn.
Change production in Odessa to Pioneer
Why kiev is building Academy and dont have Wiseman yet? I put it to queue.

IT
Smolensk: Academy >> Longboat. We need contacts for faster research.
Gunpower >> Matchlock.

Turn 1
Sell Gunpower to Arabs for Usury and 5 gpt. Sell it to Japan too, for Silks.
Remove specialists in all towns, because of happiness from silks.

Turn 2
Upgrade two workers to peasants

IT
Moscow: Water mill >> School of scribes
St. Petersburg: Philosopher school >> Academy
Kiev: Academy >> Wiseman :crazyeye:
Vladivostok Peasant >> Wiseman
Aztecs completed Slave Trade

Turn 3
Nothing much...

IT
Kiev: Wiseman >> E. Rider
Minsk: Philo School >> School of scribes
Odessa: Pioneer >> Longboat
Novgorod: Warrior >> Wiseman
Arabs are building Leo's Workshop

Turn 4
Move pioneer to NW part of our empire
Investigate arabic city Mecca, Leo's will be done after 104 turns :)

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/SM2_Mecca.JPG

Change production in Moscow to Leo's Workshop (39 turns)

IT
Matchlock >> Scholasticism
Sevastopol: Forge >> Courthouse
Siam settler pair moves to our territory.

Turn 6
We have gold connected.
Sell Matchlock to Arabs for Heraldry, Stirrup and Dyes.
Trade tea to Siam for tobacco
Buy Wine an 96 gold for coffe and tea from Arabs.
Lux to 0%

IT
Scholasticism > Astronomy
St. Pete Academy > School of scribes

Turn 9
Arabs declare war on Siamese

IT
Astronomy >> Education
Minsk: School of scribes >> Aqueduct

Turn 10
Siamese builds town where we had to settle it... What to do now with that settler?

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/SM2_350AD.JPG

Roster:
Smart
Mathias - UP
Own - on deck
madviking

:lol: Thats PLENTY of time to finish Leo's.

Its been 24hs. Own, get it.

Uh, I'm up in MadV1.1 Suicide, SM1 Suicide, and Own7 formerly suicide but we may survive. Can I have skip or swap?

Ok, let's swap.

Roster:
Smart
Mathias - skipped
madviking -UP
Own - on deck


SM1 Suicide
You're right :lol:

I got the save, will probably play tommorrow. :)

Whoops, sorry about that. I'm not sure how I missed it.

0-2 building stuff
3 Education -> Physics (going for Newton's) get SGL! [party] StP riots.
4- Meets Aztecs on Island SE of us and they only have poetry, and around the early middle Midaeval times. And they have Trondheim? :dubious: Aztec warrior rush? :lol:
IBT: Siam demands Smoke, turn down , still polite. :)
5- :sleep:
6- Physics -> Magnetism, Arabs finish Ankgor Wat
7- Trade Schosomethingism for Mounted Arhery, guilds and 1 GPT.
8-10 nothin; cept fouding Kraytown in the NW

What did you do with the SGL? What should we do? Maybe rush leo's, but we might have too many shields invested already.

Hes still in Moskva.

:bump: Smart's up!

Own was swapped after my turnset, but... :mischief:
Got it again :crazyeye:

Pre-turn
Switch St. Petersburg to FP (6 turns)
Fortified Elephant Riders? madviking, they can build roads like workers ;)
Change production in some towns.
Sell Education to Arabs for Monasticism, Poetry and 471 gold; Astronomy to Japan for Metallurgy and 5 gold.

IBT
Incense was disappeared!

Turn 1
Buy silks from Japan for coffee

IBT
Lose longboat in ocean

Turn 2
IBT
Magnetism >> Newtonian Synthesis.

Turn 3
Meet Vikings.
Trade:
Phisics for Caste Building, Architecture, 1 gpt and 16 gold to Japan.
Phisics to Arabs for 27 gpt.

Turn 4
Meet Carthage

Turn 5
Buy Furs and 13 gpt from Aztecs for Warrior code.
Buy Spices from Vikings for WC and Horse Breeding.

IBT
Siam and Arabs have signed peace treaty.
Renew deal with Arabs - Wine for coffee and tea :coffee:
Newtonian Synthesis >> Map Making

Turn 6
Ooops, St. Pete riots.
Buy Tobacco and Chivlary from Siam for Tea and Architecture

IBT
St. Pete have completed Forbidden Palace

Turn 8
IBT
MM >> Banking

Turn 9
Switch St. Petersburg to University to be able to hurry Newton's using SGL.

Turn 10
Nothing...
_____________

Roster:
Smart just played
Mathias - UP
madviking - on deck
Own - skipped


Save: SM2_550_AD.SAV (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/SM2_550_AD.SAV)

Got it.

I have played 5 turns. We got another SGL. We can build Summer Palace. (Kiev or Minsk?) Will rush Newton's next turn and trigger GA. I'll try to finish this tonight.

600 AD save attached if you want to check it out.

We can buy drama and Siege Warfare from the Japs for 390 jold.

I suggest beeline to Cavalry Tactics to grab Cossaks. build some and try to capture some Jap core cities. Ex...

EDO & KAGOSHIMA- Olive Oil
KYOTO, NAGOYA & TOKYO- Silks
KYOTO- Elephants
OSAKA- Smoke and Ponies
SATSUMA- Iron

Switch St Pete to Training Camp, to build some armies, (NOTE- It says Training Camp exspires with Theory of Warfare, it only stops the Imperial Guard makingness.) With conquer the Continent, we won't get opposition and pretty cruise control from there. (NOTE- the other continent is rather dumb)

Switch St Pete to Training Camp, to build some armies
We will rush Newton's University using SGL first. Only then we could switch to TC.

I suggest beeline to Cavalry Tactics to grab Cossaks. build some and try to capture some Jap core cities.
Good idea. But we could capture or raze only one city per turnset - read first post with rules.


@Mathias:
Summer palace cost is only 200 shields, I don't think that it is a good using of SGL. Soulds like we will be in the next era soon, we could rush one of IA wonders

:bump:
???

I'll try to finish this tonight.
:bump: I think, madviking can play from 600 AD save ;)

Woohoo, crossbumps :lol: Take it now!

:lol: I think that is a first!

Play 2-nite

0- good
1- StPete makes uni goes to Lab, WTF?????????????
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/SM2_WTF.JPG
DAMMIT! They probably used a SGL or SOMETHING! :gripe:
[/rant]
Dunno what to change Moskva now... I change to (The) Academy, losing ~600 sheilds... :ar15:[pissed]

Break now...

OMG! :mad: This is 100% SGL, because they had ~100 turns to build it. If we knew, we had to rush it via SGL before... I will check save to find some options :blush:

Now where could of they got it???? :hmm::confused:

I think we must build Training Camp... We will waste 500+ shields, but I don't see anything better - all current wonders are useless and we haven't University for Newton's :(

Now where could of they got it????
Please post the last save, I will check if they have used SGL, and maybe we can buy something that gives access to new Wonder.

Erm... I quitted without saving... :blush:
Grr...

Too bad. Do we still have our two SGLs? Check trades, we may be able to get those two techs.

Try to replay what you have done. Only two turns ;)

Actually only 1... :lol:
I have HW to do... So... Bye! 2-morrow Ill play.I guess

It's 5 minuts to replay :p. But if you're really busy, I understand you... Let's discuss about switched wonder then. All available wonders (+Pyramids doesn't shown):

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/SM2_Wonders.JPG

PYRAMIDS! :lol:
The AI never build that until 1000AD! :rotfl:
But, I must go however, I had made plans tonight, I will triumphantly/ abdunantly return on the morrow next.
Forever young,
Mad Viking
*head falls on keyboard :sleep:*

Training camp looks delightful. What say ye?

Royal Tournament?
Erm... same thing as Training camp but we get AMPHIBIOUS KNIGHTS! (w00t!)

But training camp gives us armies :groucho: !

So does Royal Tournament! :groucho: :p
I think...

Cool. Let's take the tourny then. Fishy knights, eh? What's their a/d/m?

Ok, I've replayed that turn - on IBT Japan have declared war on Arabs, they have completed Leo's, and Siamese have got Shangri La on cascade. I rushed Newton's University on Turn 1.
They haven't got SGL! Don't know how, but they have finished Leo's themselves. We had to check it via espionage earlier :sad:

Moscow and build queue:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/SM2_Moscow.JPG

Save @ turn 1: SM2_610_AD.SAV (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/SM2_610_AD.SAV)

How many SGL's do we have?

Many x-posts...
Do you sure that RT allow us to produce armies too?
We have another SGL left, which you can see on screen ;)

Allrihg. So is mv playing now?>

What's their a/d/m?
Knight of the Realm:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/SM2_KotR.JPG

More and more x-posts :crazyeye:. MV will play tomorrow ;)

12 turns per knight seems bad, but as long as we get armies, I'm cool with it.

I'm not sure that we can get Armies with RT wonder...
You can check civilopedia, there is nothing about armies :hmm:

1- done
2- StPete makes Newton's GA time! :D
3- Mao offers Gems for Tea + 9 GPT, change to Horse Breeding, accept
*forgets to write notes*

Wrap-up:
We got cavalry Tactics
Renewed Silks deal for only 100 bucks
Send Chivalry to Carthage for Sugar
We maek Summer Palace
Get furs from Aztecs for 250 bucks
Get Spices, World Map, 11 bucks from Vikings for Usary
Get Wine from Arabs for 300 bucks
Get 'bacco from Siam for 300 bucks

Screenies!
Our Glorious Empire (notice anything different?) :D
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/SM2_empire_750AD.JPG

Our Freakiously Huge Sci Output (top 9 cities, on the extreme right):
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/SM2_science_750AD.JPG

Looking great. In the barrel.

Good progress, we are in Industrial Ages! Soulds like a war will break out soon :goodjob:
For which building you have switched Moscow after fail on Leo's and did you used second SGL?

Royal Tournament.

You forgot to post the save. I have to see RT effect :rolleyes:

Doh!
Ye shall ask and ye shall receive: (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/SM2_750AD.SAV)

Oh, madviking... I know, it wasn't ruined this game, but please don't do something, if you are not 100% sure about it.
Royal Tournament don't allow city to produce armies! :hammer:
Also, we can't build training camp now, because it is obsolete, and we should waste 770 shields for Military academy to be able to build Armies :(

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(translated as: smashing head on keyboard because of dumb mistake)

Got it, will play tonight. Since we are in IA, we can play 5 turns instead of 10, if I will see that they are too long... I think we should SGL-rush Military academy, and make army of KotR's. Or we will wait for more usefull wonder?

The turns aren't TOO terribly long. Anways we're in cruise control right now. :cooool:

Minibump :bump:

48h aren't over, so it is an early :bump:. I will end my turnset and post log soon

My turns were very uneventful, I've built few cossaks, Heroic epic, and science improvements in the new cities. Japan and Siam have signed MA against Arabs and razed city near Krasnoyarsk.

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6216/sm2ww7rr.jpg

Also I don't know what was happend with Military Academy - I can't build it, and don't see it anywhere :confused:
It is important Small Wonder, I think, just watch at the stats:

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/1699/sm2ma5ew.jpg

Roster:
Smart
Mathias -UP
Own - on deck
madviking

Looks like I'm back online just in time to ask for a swap. I've been offline for a week due to a problem with my cable modem, so I have a lot of e-mail and other things to sort through tonight. I won't have time to play until Sunday.

Military Academy requires a victorious army.

Ok, Own is UP then.

Military Academy requires a victorious army.
Looks bad :(. Why I don't found anything about victorious army in civilopedia?
We neen Military Academy to build army, but we can't get it before Military Academy :crazyeye:
How we will use our SGL?

Got it.

ten ten

Nevermind, it said somethings fishy with longship/boat. I've checked it out, and it looks normal. Suggestions?

Happy Birthday (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=3047906&postcount=125)! :p

There are installation instructions in the first post

Done that, I installed in months ago, and it's worked fine every time. I've done no tweaking of the files since then. i'VE played in this SG already, remember ;) .

So???????
Whats the prob?
That fixes the Funky Longboats...

I've found the problem, the longboat and longship files merged together for some reason. I'm currently fixing it.

i'VE played in this SG already, remember
You didn't get errors because there weren't any longboats before. You should copy "longboat" folder to folder in the RaR mod as it is described in RaR 1.04b thread

Inconvinience #2:
Go to the Firaxis Inquisitor folder (in your \\Conquest\Art\Units directory), and copy all files in that folder into the new RAR Priest animation folder.
Go to the Firaxis Longship folder (in your \\Conquests\Conquests\Middle Ages\Art\Units directory), and copy all files in that folder into the new RAR Longboat folder.
;)

I saw that thread, and followed those instructions. I'm taking a break, I accidently deleted some stuff (:crazyeye:) and now I'm taking a break. Will be fixing again soon.

Got it.

800 AD (0)
Kiev - Rush 9 shields for 54 gold, save a turn on Cossack
Tblisi - Cossack w/o Rax? Build Courthouse
Yakutsk - Rax before Cossack
Vladivostok - Cossack w/o Rax? Build University
Novgorod - Rax before Cossack, but build Forge first

We have 13 cities, and only 11 worker units. I will fix that.

IT:
Industrialization SGL >> Steam Engine
Odessa Lab >> International Port
Tblisi Courthouse >> Shipyard (to upgrade our Longboats)
Yakutsk Rax >> Cossack

810 AD (1)
SGL rush IP in Odessa

IT:
Aztecs want MPP+ROP, not a chance
St Petersburg School >> Temple
Minsk Cossack >> Cossack
Smolensk Laborer >> Laborer
Odessa IP >> Laborer
Sevastopol Lab >> Laborer
Vladivostok University >> Forge

820 AD (2)
Trades:
Architecture, Banking, Scientific Method and World Map to Carthage for World Map, 58 gpt and 417 gold
Gunpowder, Banking, Scientific Method and World Map to Aztecs for World Map and 1690 gold
Newtonian Synthesis to Siam for 650 gold
Newtonian Synthesis to Japan for 565 gold
Absolutism and World Map to Arabs for World Map and 1220 gold
Juris Prudence to Japan for Drama, Music Theory, Printing Press, World Map and 632 gold (everything)
Juris Prudence to Arabs for 630 gold
Juris Prudence to Siam for 515 gold

IT:
Steam Engine >> High Explosives
Kiev Cossack >> Town Clock
Odessa Laborer >> Laborer
Novgorod Forge >> Harbor

830 AD (3)
Krasnoyarsk switch to Rax
Rush 20 shields in Yakutsk for 120 gold

IT:
Siam offers Literature for Mercantilism...
Japan captures Arabic town of Aden
St Petersburg Temple >> Shrine
Odessa Laborer >> Laborer
Sverdlovsk Lab >> Aqueduct
Yakutsk Cossack >> Town Clock

840 AD (4)
IT:
High Explosives >> Medicine
St Petersburg Shrine >> Town Clock
Smolensk Laborer >> Laborer
Odessa Laborer >> Laborer
Sevastopol Laborer >> Laborer
Tblisi Shipyard >> Laborer
Vladivostok Forge >> Courthouse
Novgorod Harbor >> School of Scribes
Krasnoyarsk Barracks >> Courthouse

850 AD (5)
Upgrade 4 Peasants to Laborers (240 gold)
Upgrade 1 Longboat to Clipper (150 gold)
Forest harvested for Sverdlovsk

IT:
Carthage wants Alliance vs Aztecs...
Kiev Town Clock >> Cossack
Minsk Cossack >> Cossack
Odessa Laborer >> Wind Mill

860 AD (6)
IT:
Renegotiate Coffee for Silks from Japan, adding 3 gpt to our side
Medicine >> Steel
Smolensk Laborer >> Laborer
Sevastopol Laborer >> Laborer
Tblisi Laborer >> Laborer
Yakutsk Town Clock >> Cossack
Sugar deal with Carthage expired

870 AD (7)
Tea + 5 gold to Carthage for Sugar

IT:
St Petersburg Town Clock >> Water Mill

880 AD (8)
Buy a worker from Arabs for 116 gold, upgrade to Laborer for 60 gold
What's this? We have an SGL fortified in Moscow? Hmm...
Vladivostok came up 1 shield short on Courthouse, so switch to Garrison
Argh... I forgot to rush 5 shields in Novgorod... build Port instead

IT:
Vikings want MPP/ROP...
Steel >> Sanitation
Kiev Cossack >> Wind Mill
Smolensk Laborer >> Laborer
Sevastopol Laborer >> Academy
Tblisi Laborer >> East India Company
Vladivostok Garrison >> Rax? Isn't that redundant? >> Courthouse
Novgorod Port >> School of Scribes

890 AD (9)
IT:
St Petersburg Water Mill >> Wind Mill
Minsk Cossack >> Water Mill
Odessa Wind Mill >> Laborer
Yakutsk Cossack >> Academy
We lose our supply of Wines, Furs, and Spices

900 AD (10)
Rush 13 shields in Kiev for 78 gold to complete Wind Mill this turn
WLTK day ended in Sverdlovsk and we came up 1 shield short on aqueduct, so I switched it to a School. Should have built Port and Major Port instead of aqueduct, anyway. Plan on that after the School.
I put lux up to 20% so I could micromanage our cities for the last turn of our GA. If we are going to stay in Democracy, as I expect we will, then we should use lux slider instead of buying luxuries. In that case, we should rush the East India Company, which provides a +50% lux modifier to all cities.
We now have 25 laborers.

Moscow:
45 spt after GA, Smith's will still complete in 5 turns
St Petersburg:
64 shields with growth, 45 next turn for Wind Mill in 2 turns
Kiev:
Wind Mill complete this turn, 30 spt after GA
Minsk:
37 shields with growth, 21 spt after GA, Water Mill in 4 turns with no overrun
Smolensk:
Laborer complete this turn, 10 spt after GA
Odessa:
Laborer complete this turn
Sevastopol:
15 shields this turn, 10 shields next turn for Academy in 2
Tblisi: 16 shields in the box, plus 16 this turn for 32, 10 spt after GA. Could build just about anything - another laborer this turn, rush EIC next turn?
Sverdlovsk:
16 shields this turn, move citizen from coast to second mountain next turn for another 16 to complete the school, then build Port and Major Port (not Aqueduct)
Yakutsk:
Academy complete this turn, 33 spt after GA. I would rush Temple and switch to complete Wind Mill. We need culture here!
Vladivostok:
23 shields this turn, move a citizen from plains to mountain next turn to complete Courthouse
Novgorod:
15 shields this turn, 10 spt after GA for School of Scribes in 3 turns
Krasnoyarsk:
7 shields this turn, 5 spt after GA

GOT IT
i.

Very good turnset, you are the RaR genius, Mathias :thumbsup:
I think it would be better to switch Tbilisi to Laborer (1 turn) and then rush EIC, because we have collected few shields already

0- ALG (all looks good)
1- Sanitation -> Theory of Evolution, renew 'bacco for 180 bucks
Who says Medellev invented the periodic table? :p He rushes East India
2- Surely enough East India comes
3- Theory of Evolution -> Social Darwinism (2 turns, 80%, -94 GPT)
4- meh...
5- Smith's comes in, but the deficete doesn't go down? (still -94) :confused::hmm:
6- Renew dyes for 180 bucks, deficete down to -82
7- 'lectricity -> grand stratergy (some unknown tech for era advancement)
8-
9- sell contact with Aztecs and Vikings for Wines, Litature, World Map, and 80 bucks
Grand Strategy -> Coperation
10- meh

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/SM2_Modern_techs.JPG
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/SM2_1000AD_Ind_left.JPG
The bottom pic is the techs we need to get to Modern times
The top one is the techs we need for Alpha Centari

SAVE (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/SM2_1000AD.SAV)

With that playing speed we can finish this game today :lol:
Got it

Actually, he have only 7 hours here left.

I think it would be better to switch Tbilisi to Laborer (1 turn) and then rush EIC, because we have collected few shields already

That was my intention, I just put it on EIC so it wouln't get overlooked. Did I forget to mention that I was researching toward City Planning? Planting forests and building Parks is a good thing.

For modern research, when we get there, beeline Computers first, then Computer Networking. With a new tech every other turn, the order in which we research them probably doesn't matter.

Pre-turn
-97 Gpt? I will try to change this. Trade
V-kings: Spices >> 185 gold
Carthage: Cotton >> 185 gold
Japan: Olive oil >> 185 gold
Aztecs: Furs >> 208 gold

Lux to 0%, net gain +14. Hire one specialist in Smolensk to prevent riot.

IBT
The Corporation >> Espionage

Turn 2
IBT
Espionage >> Marxism

Turn 3
Edisson workshoop it too expensive wonder, change production in Moscow to Intelligence Aggency (12 turns)

Turn 4
IBT
Marxism >> RP

Turn 6
IBT
Renew silks for coffe deal with Japan
RP >> Refining. We don't have rubber :(

Turn 7
Just have read Mathias comment in this thread, and changed research project to City planning.
IBT
Renew sugar for tea deal with Carthage

Turn 8
IBT
CP >> Refining

Turn 10
Forgot that this is last and pressed enter...

IBT
Refining >> Screw Propeller

Turn 11
We have Oil!
Buy tobacco from Siam for 179 gold

Sorry Own, but I wanna play this SG! ;) (I'm bored)
Got it.

Umm... Smart, we don't need that many luxeries. ;)

Hmmmm :crazyeye:
With all that luxes I had to hire some specialists :mischief:

Sorry Own, but I wanna play this SG! ;) (I'm bored)
Got it.
Great, I was busy today.

Pre-turn- hurry a colonist (You'll see why ;))
1- meh
2- Screw -> Refrigerators!
...
7- WTF? >8 luxs count? :lol: I have been corrected... Refrigerators -> Mass Production (0% sci)
8- ToE comes, Mass Production -> Motor Trans -> Repeated rifle

Grr... I realized when I rushed the colonist that it cant move through jungles! :wallsmash: ) The plan for Rubber (aka RUBBER Plan) to settle a jungulated area near some Carthagian cities. :rolleyes:

There is a settler standing near Kray-town.

SAVE (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/SM2_1200AD.SAV)
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/SM2_rubba.JPG

We don't need any luxuries. Build Bazaars and Marketplaces and run 10% lux. The EIC is useless at 0% lux.

If you're concerned about our treasury, sell something to the AI. From the 1110 AD save, the Arabs have 3555 gold and 103 gpt available. Siam has 2787 gold and 61 gpt. We have 20 monopoly techs. I think we can find some way to get their 9600+ gold into our treasury.

Edit: I guess I should refresh the page before posting an not-so-quick reply

You're in a bit of a hurry about those resources. By the time we need them, the AI will have them available for trade. Or we could just take them from Japan.

Updated available gold info:
Arabs have 4901 gold and 107 gpt
Siam has 1826 gold and 49 gpt
The others are still broke

Sorry about luxes :mischief:. Anyway this :spear: will happen soon :D
We are too ahead from AI's, I'm pity that I have started this game on emperor level :(

Who is up?

Um...

Smart
Mathias
MadV
Smart
MadV

I guess I'm up again if Own is still having trouble with those Longoats... speaking of which, why do we still have one? That thing moves only 2 tiles per turn in sea and ocean, clippers move 12.

Mathias- that thing is floating around in the Sea.

I've fortified that longboat in one of coastal towns waiting for upgrade... Bring it back :mischief:

@Mathias: If you can play now, do it, because Own said that he will be busy today.

OK, might only have time for 5 though.

1200 AD (0)
World Map to Japan for World Map and 207 gold
Naval Tactics, Medicine, Nationalism, Steam Power, World Map and Contact with Carthage to Arabs for World Map, 107 gpt and 4661 gold
Medicine, Nationalism, Steam Power and World Map to Siam for World Map, 49 gpt and 1826 gold

Lux to 10%

Moscow: Build Marketplace
St. Petes: Build Sewer System
Kiev: Short-rush Museum for 450 gold, queue Market
Minsk: Build Bazaar
Smolensk: Short-rush Sewer System for 1074 gold
Odessa: Looks good (citizens back to work)
Sevastopol: Sewer System for 1620 gold, complete in 2 turns
Tblisi: Build Bazaar
Sverdlovsk: Short-rush Bazaar for 132 gold
Yakutsk: -2 fpt this turn for Sewer System in 2 turns
Vladivostok: Build Bazaar
Novgorod: Short-rush Bazaar for 360 gold, complete in 2 turns
Krasnoyarsk: Build Bazaar

IT:
Kiev Museum >> Marketplace
Smolensk Sewer System >> Bazaar
Sverdlovsk Bazaar >> Granary

1210 AD (1)
Moscow: Build Town Clock instead of Market, MM for 60 spt, rush 3 shields for 18 gold
St Petes: Rush 16 shields for 96 gold to cut a turn off of Sewer System
Minsk: Short-rush Bazaar for 192 gold
Vladivostok: Short-rush Bazaar for 348 gold

IT: Japan and Arabs have signed a peace treaty
Thermodynamics >> Flight
Moscow Town Clock >> Guild Hall
Minsk Bazaar >> Granary
Odessa University >> Granary
Sevastopol Sewer System >> Granary
Tblisi Bazaar >> Granary
Yakutsk Sewer System >> Granary
Vladivostok Bazaar >> Granary
Novgorod Bazaar >> Granary

1220 AD (2)
Upgrade Colonist to Settler for 300 gold
Switch Krasnoyarsk to Granary

IT:
Siam wants Coffee - Sorry, but I'm not going to refuse, they owe us 49 gpt for 18 more turns.
Minsk Granary >> Guild Hall
Odessa Granary >> Bazaar
Yakutsk Granary >> Bazaar
Krasnoyarsk Granary >> Bazaar

1230 AD (3)
IT:
Flight >> Realpolitik
Kiev Marketplace >> Granary
Tblisi Granary >> Fishery
Vladivostok Granary >> Water Mill

1240 AD (4)
Minsk: Short-rush Guild Hall for 720 gold

IT:
Moscow Guild Hall >> School
Kiev Granary >> Cop's?
Minsk Guild Hall >> Marketplace
Smolensk Bazaar >> Granary
Sverdlovsk Granary >> Academy
Yakutsk Bazaar >> Guild Hall

1250 AD (5)
Odessa: Short-rush Guild Hall for 174 gold (too much waste on Bazaar)
Longboat has arrived back in Tblisi to be upgraded. Clipper is out exploring.

Sounds like we will not have any wars in this game... But we should use our Cossaks somehow, right? ;)
RaR contain too many buildings and we haven't time to focus on military. Next RaR game probably will be in AW variant :hammer:

Roster:
Smart - on deck
madviking
Mathias
Own - UP

AW Space Race on Emp? :lol::eek:

No more Emperors :nono: I thought about AW Conquest Demigod :crazyeye:

Sorry, I'll have to be skipped, I can't get this to work. I don't have much time anyway, to fix or play.

This game is rolling really fast now, I have played the last turnset yesterday, and I'm up again :crazyeye:. I know madviking would like to play this, so he can take save... Too many swaps, I will swap too :mischief:

Roster:
madviking - UP
Smart - on deck, swapped
Mathias
Own - skips till will get RaR working

I can get it 2-nite.
Considered a GOT IT

Summery- We got an SGL! [party]

Techs learned- Realpolitik- SGL, Theory of Reletivity, Unionization, Compulsory Education, and Automatic Weapons.

We are currently researching Quantum Physics for Uranium! :groucho:

>>>SAVE<<< (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/SM2_1300AD.SAV)

Got it.

SGL! :devil:

Good news: I have built Winter Palace in Odessa, rushed Einstein's Lab in Moscow. We are researching techs every two turns.
Bad news: Siamese declared war and captured Krasnoysrsk on IBT-8. We don't have uranium, but Siamese have it :ar15:. I have signed MA with Japan and Arabs, and on the next turn Japan have recaptured Krasnoyarsk :(
TANKS, TANKS!!! Lets fight! :spear:

And few screenies for lurkers:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/SM2_1350AD.JPG

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/SM2_1350AD_techs.JPG

Uranium! :hammer:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/SM2_1350AD_uranium.JPG


Roster:
madviking
Smart
Mathias - UP
Own - have fixed RaR problems?


Save: SM2_1350_AD.SAV (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/SM2_1350_AD.SAV)

OK, got it. I'll play tomorrow.

1350 AD (0)
Grand War to Arabs for WM, 57 gpt and 97 gold
Grand War to Japan for 20 gpt and 154 gold

Moscow: 4 shields short on MKIV? Switch to Hospital, rush for 144 gold. Switch to Factory. Bring Germanic Spearman in from Kiev, disband for 7 shields. Steal BG tile from Smolensk for 94 spt, Factory complete this turn.
Minsk: Buy 12 shields (Rifleman) for 72 gold, save a turn on MKIV
Smolensk: Buy 64 shields (Settler) for 384 gold, switch to Fishery. Will soon produce a Laborer every turn.
Odessa: Build Laborers, much more valuable than specialists
Sverdlovsk: Build Cannon (Artillery, actually)
Yakutsk: Take hill from Vlad, Prison complete this turn
Vladivostok: Don't need Sewer System, build Hospital instead

Upgrades:
2 pikemen, 1 spearman, 2 TGs and a warrior to Riflemen for a total of 1620 gold
3 Cossacks to Cavalry for 180 gold; 2 Rangers to Jeeps for 780 gold
Longboat and Clipper to Transport for 390 gold

IT: Aviation >> Advanced Metallurgy
Moscow: Factory >> Coal Plant
Odessa: Laborer >> Laborer
Sevastopol: Town Clock >> Cannon
Tblisi: Sewer System >> Cannon
Yakutsk: Prison >> Hospital (queued)
Vladivostok: Hospital >> Cannon
Novgorod: School >> Sewer System

1355 AD (1)
Kiev: Buy 10 shields (Theater) for 60 gold
Upgrade 3 Workers to Laborers for 180 gold
Join 1 Settler to Smolensk

IT: Renew Coffee for Silks deal with Japan
Smolensk: Fishery >> Laborer
Odessa: Laborer >> Laborer
Vikings complete The Pyramids
We lose our supply of Sugar

1360 AD (2)
Join second Settler to Smolensk

IT: Carthage declared war on the Aztecs
Advanced Metallurgy >> Total War
Kiev: MKIV >> Artillery
Minsk: MKIV >> MKIV
Smolensk: Laborer >> Laborer
Odessa: Laborer >> Laborer
Sevastopol riots? Whatever, hire a clown

1365 AD (3)
IT: Moscow: Coal Plant >> Hospital
St Petersburg: Hospital >> Edison's Workshop
Smolensk: Laborer >> Laborer
Odessa: Laborer >> Laborer

1370 AD (4)
IT: Siam allies Aztecs against us (we had no active deals wit the Aztecs)
Siam also allies Aztecs against Arabs
Total War >> Totalitarianism
Kiev: Artillery >> Artillery
Smolensk: Laborer >> Laborer
Odessa: Laborer >> Courthouse
Tblisi: Artillery >> Artillery
Vladivostok: Artillery >> Wind Mill
Japan completes JS Bach's Cathedral

1375 AD (5)
IT: Smolensk: Laborer >> Laborer
Odessa: Courthouse >> Bazaar
Yakutsk: Hospital >> National History Museum

1380 AD (6)
IT: Totalitarianism >> Guerrilla Warfare
Kiev: Artillery >> Artillery
Minsk: MKIV >> MKIV
Smolensk: Laborer >> Laborer

1385 AD (7)
Edo culture took a mountain from Vlad, so investigate for 45 gold.
Edo is at 386 +11 per turn; Vlad has 386 +5 per turn.
Vladivostok: Switch to Arena, queue Shrine

IT: Moscow: Hospital >> National Gallery
Smolensk: Laborer >> Laborer
Odessa: Bazaar >> Marketplace
Sverdlovsk: Artillery >> Fishery
Vladivostol: Arena >> Shrine

1390 AD (8)
Culture war: Edo 397, Vlad 392

IT: Guerrilla Warfare >> Psychology
Kiev: Artillery >> MKIV
Smolensk: Laborer >> Laborer
Sevastopol: Artillery >> Bazaar
Tblisi: Artillery >> Laborer
Vladivostok: Shrine >> Temple

1395 AD (9)
Culture war: Edo 408, Vlad 399
Vladivostok: Short-rush Temple for 300 gold

IT: Smolensk: Laborer >> Water Mill
Odessa: Marketplace >> Artillery
Tblisi: Laborer >> Artillery
Vladivostok: Temple >> Theater

1400 AD (10)
Culture war: Edo 419, Vlad 407
Clear a forest near Smolensk

I have miscounted food and shields in Smolensk. I thought it could reach +30 fpt for growth every turn and still pump 30 spt for a Laborer every turn. We could still do that with another production modifier on top of the Water Mill. We aren't far from Electronics and Engineers, so even if we did set it up, it wouldn't last long.

Yakutsk is currently building National History Museum, which we don't really need. We can still switch to a Factory without waste.

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Madviking, will you play it, or I can swap with you? I just saw you updated signature:
I'm taking a (short) retirement from SGing. :cry:
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N/m that, thats for the other ones.

I played like 7 turns...

Don't remember much from Thursday session but the things that happened:
Signed peace with everyone
Launched into Modern Times, Radar free tech, Pesticides, 'lectronics, Advanced Flight, researching Mech Warfare in 3 turns.

Aztecs and Siam have/had decimated Carthage/Japan and Arabs (respectively)

Moscow- Hoover Dam- 11 turns
St Pete- Edison's in 3 turns
Keiv- Spirit of St Louis in 9 turns

Signed peace with everyone
Thanks for the ruined reputation :(
Do you think that we have wasted all our gold for upgrading, and have built tanks and artillery to just sign peace and pay 168 gpt for unit support now? We need Uranium for SS Fuel Cells, and Siamese have it.
I must say this again: please don't do anything global without discussion with team.

Rep hit isn't critical. There's nothing for us to buy. We can still sell techs for gpt, as long as the AI have any available.

We should be able to pick up all the necessary modern techs at 3 turns each and launch by 1800.

According to CA2, in Social Democracy we will produce 3158 breakers per turn with 154 gpt income :eek:
If CA2 calculation is correct, we will be able to research modern age techs with 2 turn rate. I would change scientific project to Fission and take Democratic Socialism and Computers as free techs from Edisson's.

Got it.

Sounds good. I thought about a possible government change, but didn't do any comparisons.

I queued 3-4 buildings in each city on pre-flight. Learned Fission and took Democratic Socialism and Miniaturization for free. Revolt, got 4 turns of anarchy.
After revolution I saw that CivAssist calculated economy wrong - it doesn't counted unit support, which is 5gpt per unit... I disbanded some unusefull units like Riflemans and Cossaks, but we are still at negative gpt. Joined few workers to cities. After disbanding and MM I learned Computers in 2 turns and queued research tree to Computer Networking.

We are researching techs every two turns!

Save: SM2_1500_AD.SAV (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/SM2_1500_AD.SAV)

w00t! :D :)

We need 23 techs (only 46 turns, 5 turnsets) to build SS. We could start few wonder bre-builds for Space Program and SS components now ;)

Roster:
madviking
Smart - made a revolution and set science to 2-turn rate
Mathias - UP
Own - the last chanse to play in this SG before launch :lol:

:bump: Mathias, madviking? Let's finish it :)

Whoops... Got it.

1500 AD (0)
City Planning to Japan for WM, 34 gpt and 78 gold

IT: Rocketry >> Satellites
Lose Dyes, Wine, and Tobacco

1505 AD (1)
City Planning to Arabs for Wine, Dyes, WM, 11 gpt and 19 gold
Tea to Siam for Tobacco

IT: St Petersburg: Factory >> Museum
Smolensk: School >> Public School

1510 AD (2)
IT: Satellites >> Mechanized Warfare
Minsk: Prison >> Research Lab
Odessa: Research Lab >> Offshore Platform
Tblisi: Factory >> University
Yakutsk: Research Lab >> Modern Farm

1515 AD (3)
IT: Vladivostok: Public School >> Monastery

1520 AD (4)
IT: Mechanized Warfare >> Plastics

1525 AD (5)
IT: Moscow: Hoover Dam >> Research Lab
St Petersburg: Museum >> Research Lab
Smolensk: Public School >> University
Novgorod: Public School >> Factory
Lose Sugar and Gems

1530 AD (6)
Grand Strategy to Carthage for Sugar, Gems, WM and 9 gold

IT: Plastics >> Space Flight
Minsk: Research Lab >> Modern Farm
Tblisi: University >> Museum
Sverdlovsk: Sewer System >> University
Vladivostok: Monastery >> Museum

1535 AD (7)

1540 AD (8)

IT: Space Flight >> Computer Networking
Moscow: Research Lab >> Museum
St Petersburg: Research Lab >> Spirit of St Louis
Kiev: Crystal Palace >> Factory
Smolensk: University >> Museum

1545 AD (9)
IT: Odessa: Offshore Platform >> Space Program
Sverdlovsk: University >> Factory
Yakutsk: Modern Farm >> Something Expensive for SS Prebuild
Siam completes Eiffel Tower

1550 AD (10)
Half-price SS parts due to scientific trait:
SS Life Support System
SS Planetary Party Lounge
SS Stasis Chamber

AI's available gold:
Arabs have 73 gpt + 65 gold
Japan has 68 gpt + 38 gold
Siam has 42 gpt + 430 gold
Civs on other continent: 0 gpt + 32 gold (combined)

Sell techs that lead to Quantum Physics (The Corporation, Thermodynamics) as we will need to buy Uranium from Siam.

We're going to have to gift Carthage toward Replaceable Parts in order to get his extra Rubber.

Got it, but HW won't let me play 2-nite.

OK, on turn 9, we poped a SGL from Super Sonic Flight.

Should we use him for SETI or the Engine?

Probably the Engine. We should be able to run 2-turn techs to the end even without SETI. In either case, it can wait one turn.

We don't need SETI, just build labs and networks in every city. It will allow to research every tech in 2-turn rate.

I use the 28 nukes stored in St Pete to nuke all the Aztecs! Take that you ignorant fools!!!!1 The same for you Carthage! Then I roll the 10 transports full of tanks to capture the Vikings!!!!1oneoneoneelevenonehundredandone

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

What?

Oh! That game!

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OK, the Space program is done! *everybody cheers* The Engine will be done next turn, the Thrusters (9 turns) instead of HappyLand in Yakustk and the Support System (7 turns) in Odessa. The Planatary Party Lounge (:dance::banana:.) will be research next turn. after that only 24 turns o' research until we're done! :D

><><>SAVE<><>< (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/SM2_1600AD.SAV)

Not that it makes a huge difference, but why did you rush the Engine in our most productive city? That's 280 shields wasted that could have been put into a prebuild for another part. It would have been better to rush it in Novgorod after the factory is complete.

Oh, and your trade timing is a little off. I don't want to criticize, though. This game is in the bag.

Good game :)
Congratulations, madviking, you will push the red button and launch spacesheep to Alpha Centauri! [party]

Got it.

On pre-flight I disbanded few units in low productive cities to speed up buildings and reduce unit support cost.
Techs were researched: Laser >> Recycling >> Robotics >> Adv. Composites >> Microchip >> Superconductor.
SS parts were built: Engine >> Planetary Party Lounge :dance: >> Life Support System >> Docking Bay >> Thrusters.

Japan declared war on turn 5. Then I planted spy and captured Edo at turn 9.
Don't make peace immediatly. Capture Kagoshima with rubber, and only then sign peace treaty. They don't have another source of rubber for trade.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/SM2_SS.JPG

Roster:
Smart - survived in war with Japan
Mathias - UP
madviking - on deck, ready to launch the Spacesheep? :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:


Save: SM2_1650_AD.SAV (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/SM2_1650_AD.SAV)

Japan: :nono:

Got it.

1650 (0)
The Corporation to Siam for 101 gpt
Refining to Siam for WM, 61 gpt and 519 gold
Internal Combustion to Siam for ROP
Flight, Theory of Relativity, and Quantum Physics to Siam because we need Uranium
Change some production to get a few Artillery pieces

IT: Superconductor >> Advanced Computers
Kiev: SS Storage/Supply
A few other cities complete their builds.

1655 (1)
Three SPA redline Kagoshima's two defenders, T-90 and MBT move in.
Japan gives us 14 gpt and 99 gold for peace.

1660 (2)
IT: Adv Comp >> Stealth

1665 (3)
Build road on Siam's extra Uranium
Oil to Siam for Uranium

IT: Minsk: SS Stasis Chamber

Stealth >> HTC >> Data Encryption >> E-Commerce (due)

Five turns left for ya, MadV. Odessa has Cockpit, Minsk has Fuel Cells. They'll both be wasting shields, but what do we care? Other cities are building things they won't get done.

Kiev makes casing blah blah blah, make cockpit, make fuel cell, blah blah blah blah...





































Then this happens...
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/SM2_Alpha_Centauri.JPG
Pre-launch save (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/SM2_1725AD_prelaunch.SAV)

Score of 3000. :)

Thanks for the game Smart! :)

Thanks, nicely done! :woohoo:
I will start new RaR SG soon and it will not be too peacefull :hammer:

SM3 - AWDG in RaR with special rules (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=158728)

I have put Madviking and Mathias into the roster already, please confirm if you want to participate. I'm sure that it game will be interesting :)