Description: Chechen Republic
Short Desc: Chechnya
Adjective: Chechen

Starting Technologies: Agriculture, Mining

Unique Unit: Rocket Propelled Grenadier (SAM Infantry with 19 strength, +100% vs. helicopter units)

Leaders:
Djovkhar Dudaev (Aggressive, Expansive, favors Police State)
Aslan Maskhadov (Philosophical, Aggressive, favors Nationhood)

Cities: (22 cities within Chechnya)
DJOVKHAR GHAALA
HALHA-MARTA
VEDENO
KRASNOARMEYSKOYE
GUDERMES
YANGUL
SCHAROI
ANNY
RAZVALINY SHIKAROY
SHALI
ZAKAN-YURTOVSKAYA
YERMOLOVSKIY
BASKHOY
REGETY
ANCHILATLI
SHOVDA
AL'PIYSKOYE
SHININ-CHU
VERKHNIY KIY
SARAPAN
VERKHNIY KHERAKHOY
SEMIKOLODTSEV

Screenshots:

And here is the download:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/Chechnya_v085.zip

Just out of curiosity: how did you come up with the city list? I ask because the capital city is conspicuosly missing. I wonder if that is on purpose?

Also, I just looked it up, and according to government classification, there are actually only 5 'cities' in Chechnya (a city has at least 25 thousand people in it): Grozniy, Urus-Martan, Shali, Gudermes and Argun. If you consider also smaller places with at least 10k people, then you also have another 15 towns.

Vovan

If you download the file and see the readme, you will understand why I've done this. This is taken from the readme.txt:

Also, whenever Chechen names were available, I tried to use them as opposed to the Russian. For this reason the 1st leader, Djovkhar Dudaev, appears
instead of the more popular Dzhokhar Dudayev. The first 2 cities are also Chechen, with the famous Chechen capital of Grozny renamed to "Djovkhar Ghaala"
(in honor of Dudaev) and Urus Martan replaced with the Chechen "Halha-Marta."

This was done to represent the Chechen people as best as possible, with errors being my own. Hopefully I will gain a better, more complete knowledge of
Chechnya, preferably by coming across a Chechen, which will better aid me in tweaking this civ.

Shqype, just one word for your work: Marvellous
Keep up the good work and as a Chechen I will be very happy to help you with your work by any means.
Thank you again...

Your Link is down, angelfire doesn't want to allow downloading.:confused:
The following error message occurs.

"Angelfire does not allow direct linking
from offsite, non-Angelfire pages,
to files hosted on Angelfire. "

AvdulBorz, you may be just the person I've been looking for! It pains me to use Arabic sounds for the people of Chechnya, but unfortunately I had no other choice. Perhaps you can help me with Chechen Diplomatic Music and Voice Acting to incorporate custom Chechen Order and Select sounds. Then that would really be great!

By the way, I have the Chechen National Anthem, and boy do I love it!

Wow, Im Impresed, a unique slection of a civ :) .

Shqype my language is not good enough but my family and relatives all know good Chechen and I'll be very happy if I can help you in your voice acting in the next versions of the Chechen civilization. I'll be happy if you keep in touch with me and my e-mail adress is serhatince@musician.org.
Have a nice year everyone....

deo, don't worry, I'm on the verge of releasing the Albanian civilization as well ... I just have a few more kinks to work out with the custom music ... and not to mention the Albania civilopedia entry... woah, where do I begin!

Edwin Jacques' book "The Albanians: An Ethnic History from Prehistoric Times to the Present (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0899509320/qid=1136052445/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-5999781-4326315?s=books&v=glance&n=283155)" is 748 pages long. We have a massive amount of history that I am hesitant to condense into 1 civilopedia entry... but hopefully soon I'll tackle this!

AvdulBorz, thank you so much. Ill send you a list of the American Order and Select sounds to give you an idea of what are possibilities for the Chechen Order and Select sounds. Hopefully you will have a relative that will be cooperative in recording some Chechen phrases so I can implement them into the next release.

Consider it done sir :)
Shqype, I'll do my best shoot and keep you informed with my progress
I hope, at last, you'll be happy with my work..
Thank you with your work again and again
Hail to Albania and Chechnya....

Hopefully you'll start on Daghestan (or some larger Caucasian Emirate), once you're finished with both mods. ;) Sheik Shamil is definately a leader I'd like to play with.

hahaha you Turkofil. :p

To be honest I really don't know much about Dagestan... nor am I really interested in creating their civilization. Perhaps I might change my mind later...

I chose Chechnya because I could relate to the people. Some friends got me to follow their struggle and I see how they relate to Albanians because:
a) the Chechens (like the Albanians) were a Christian people during the 15th century that were brought under the Empire of the Ottoman Turks
b) A majority of Albanians (and almost all Chechens) were converted to Islam
c) Their countries are currently under chauvinistic Slav domination (thankfully only half of Albania, unfortunately all of Chechnya)

Plus as a highschool senior I wrote my senior thesis on why Chechnya must be granted full independence from the Russian Federation... so I've done my research on them and have gained an admiration for the bravery of their people.

Chechen National Anthem: (in Chechen)
Buisanna borz yekhkash diunenchu devlla tkho,
'uyranna lom ug'ush tkhan ts'erash tekhkina.
Erzoniyn bannshkakh' nanosha daqiyna,
Tarkhash thekh doy kh'iyzo daysha 'amiyna.

Khalq'ana, makhkana nanosha kkhoillina,
Tsershinna eshnachoh, mayra dhakh'ittina.
Lamanan Lecharchiy marshoneh qiyna,
Khalonelkh, bokhamekh kurra chekhdiylinna.

Moqaza lamanash dash khilla lalarakh,
Dakharekh, q'iysamekh yah okha dhalur yats!
Bos 'erzha wa latta malkhanakh lelkharakh,
Theshan siy dokhkina, tkho lietta diorzur dats.

Tkho tsq'a a tsqannena q'ardella sovtsur dac,
'ozhalla, ya marsho - shinekh tskh'a' yoqqur yu
Yizharsha tkhan chevnash esharshtsa erzayo,
Khiomsarchu bhargashna hnarshna g'itadoo.

Matsallo kh'ovzadakh', oramash duur du,
Kh'ogallo tkhash bharzdakh, betsan tkhin miyra du!
Buisanna borz yekhkash diunenchu devlla tkho,
Khalq'anna, makhkana, Dalla a miuthakh' du.

Chechen National Anthem: (English Translation)
We were born at night when the she-wolf whelped,
In the morning, to lion's deafening roar, were named.
In eagles' nests our mothers nursed us,
To tame wild bulls our fathers taught us.

Our mothers raised us to dedicate ourselves to our sacred land,
And if they need us we're ready to fight the oppressive hand.
We were born and grew up free as the mountain eagles,
With dignity and honour we always overcome hardship and obstacles.

Granite rocks will sooner fuse like lead,
Than we will lose our honour in life's struggles.
Earth will sooner be swallowed up by the broiling sun,
Than we emerge from a trial in life without our honour!

Never will we submit and become slaves,
Death or freedom, for us there's only one way.
Our sisters' songs will cure our wounds,
Our beloved's eyes will supply the strength of arms.

If hunger weaken us, we'll gnaw on roots,
And if thirst debilitates us, we'll drink dew.
For we were born at night when the she-wolf whelped.
God, Nation and Vainakh homeland.

deo, don't worry, I'm on the verge of releasing the Albanian civilization as well ... I just have a few more kinks to work out with the custom music ... and not to mention the Albania civilopedia entry... woah, where do I begin!

Edwin Jacques' book "The Albanians: An Ethnic History from Prehistoric Times to the Present (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0899509320/qid=1136052445/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-5999781-4326315?s=books&v=glance&n=283155)" is 748 pages long. We have a massive amount of history that I am hesitant to condense into 1 civilopedia entry... but hopefully soon I'll tackle this!

:sad: i wish i would have Civ 4, i could help a lot, anyway thats a big book :eek: , i must have it.

Oh and :newyear:

Happy new year you Shqypetar. I must see the ball drop, and then I will convince you about the importance of Daghestan and how it is related to the Chechen struggle.

Shqyptar has no "e" ;)

I understand Dagestan has significant relevance to Chechnya... I'de still like to hear your take on the issue.

Sheik Shamil to my knowledge (I may be wrong) is considered a hero amongst the Chechen people, but he was not a Chechen... probably from Dagestan by what you say. Didn't he want to unite the whole Caucasus under an Islamic union of some sort?

Lighter skin, beard (no moustache), darker green camo:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/MP_Chechen2.JPG

Original SAM Infantry:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/MP_BazookaOld.JPG

MeteorPunch was kind enough to reskin the SAM Infantry in order to make a more unique looking unit for Chechnya, the Rocket Propelled Grenadier.

Much thanks goes to him for his work which will be available for download with the next release of this mod, hopefully to include custom sounds.

Thanks once again go to MeteorPunch for his work in creating the Chechen UU skin and unit icon! Here is a screenshot I took from in-game of his work:

Long live Нохсика Респу6лика!

man, i must try this out! You must know that Chechnya is among my interests (Along with Heavy Metal, Satanism, Paganism and the Third Reich).

As much as I dislike Satan and would like to bless you with Holy Water in the name of Jesus Christ, we do share a common interest in the Third Reich :p

I will soon upload the new version of the mod with MeteorPunch's custom graphics. Get that download instead!

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/Chechnya_v074.zip

The new file is available for download, Chechnya v0.74, which include MeteorPunch's graphics files, the custom reskin and unit icon for the Chechen UU.

Thanks again MeteorPunch, and everyone else, enjoy!

As much as I dislike Satan and would like to bless you with Holy Water in the name of Jesus Christ, we do share a common interest in the Third Reich :p

Thx!

You know, you should try www.rapidshare.de , its very reliable and it does work well.

For everyone that has gotten the chance to download and play the mod, please share your thoughts and opinions!

I haven't played it yet, though I like the look of it :goodjob:

Just a niggly thing though - though it's not hugely important - I just think "Rocket Propelled Grenadier" is inaccurate. A better term may just be "RPG Soldier". In Russian, the famous term "RPG", or "РПГ" comes out as "Ручной противотанковый гранатомет" which actually stands for "Handheld Anti-Tank Grenade Launcher".

Further more, if you really want to get technical, I doubt Chechen fighters use RPGs much to actually down aircraft. During the Soviet-Afghan conflict, the Soviet Helicopter forces developed various tactics to counter enemy forces' use of RPGs to down the lightly armoured choppers - especially when the transport helicopters hovered during landing and take off. Through a combination of randomising flight patterns and numbers of aircraft - as well as systematic bombardment of Landing Zones in advance - the Soviets generally managed to thwart most enemy RPG attacks before many of them could be carried out. The Mujahideen still managed to gain the upper hand, when they started to use convieniently supplied US "Stinger" missiles - weapons designed specifically for the man-portable surface-to-air role - instead. Likewise in Chechnya, in the most infamous case of a Russian aircraft downed by geurilla fighters - the Mi-26 Halo that went down in a minefield just outside Grozny ultimately killing over 120 people - it's widely believed that the fatal damage to the Halo was caused by a "Strela-2" surface-to-air missile (known as the SA-7 Grail in the West), the Russian counterpart to the "Stinger".
Further more, I think the actual model for the ingame SAM is based on the Strela launcher itself. (Well, it looks more like a Strela than a Stinger launcher)

So basically the unit itself is not inaccurate, but I think the title is. But only if you want to get really technical :p

I had a video of a small band of Chechens (and a cameraman) firing a projectile at a Russian aircraft , destroying it.

This is a different incident than the one you mentioned yourself.

However, I suppose what was used was more like a missile than an actual grenade. Thanks for your input, I will change the name of the UU with the next release!

hahaha you Turkofil. :p

To be honest I really don't know much about Dagestan... nor am I really interested in creating their civilization. Perhaps I might change my mind later...

I chose Chechnya because I could relate to the people. Some friends got me to follow their struggle and I see how they relate to Albanians because:
a) the Chechens (like the Albanians) were a Christian people during the 15th century that were brought under the Empire of the Ottoman Turks
b) A majority of Albanians (and almost all Chechens) were converted to Islam
c) Their countries are currently under chauvinistic Slav domination (thankfully only half of Albania, unfortunately all of Chechnya)

Nice civ, I dont know much about Chechnya, but I did see a short documentry about Chechnya and Dagestan recently and it seemed interesting. Now a little offtopic, but I have to ask. Was Chechnya ever independent?..oh and which part of Albania is under "chauvinistic Slav domination"? ...Good luck with the mod and I cant wait to see what you come up with for the Albanian Civ, Im suprised there hasent been one yet. :)

The Chechens were a people which have constantly fought against foreign rule, beginning with the Turks in the 15th century. Tensions with the Turks died down when the Chechens were converted to Islam. The Russian Federation fought the Chechens and finally conquered them in 1859. All rebellions were quelled until the fall of the Soviet Union when Djovkhar Dudaev and some members of the National All Chechen Assembly executed the communist head of Chechnya and took control of their country.

Albania shares a similar fate. However we've been fighting occupiers since centuries earlier, as we are the descendants of the ancient Illyrians, making us the oldest inhabitants of Europe in the Balkans. The first people to occupy us would most likely be the Romans. Since then there's been a long list, and (if I'm correct) the Albanians are credited with surviving 33 different invasions throughout history.

We've had our problems with the Turks as well, beginning with the Battle of Kosova 1389 (which was fought by a Serb-led Balkan coalition). After the heroic and successful resistance (Catholic Holy War + War of Liberation) of Gjergj Kastrioti, Albania (save the mountainous region of Malsia e Madhe) was conquered by the Ottoman Empire by 1480. Rebellions flared up from time to time but with a majority of Albanians converted to Islam (roughly 2/3) tensions died down, except in the Catholic mountains of Malsia e Madhe which were tenacious defenders of Albanianism and Catholicism.

When the Russians imposed the Treaty of San Stefano on the Turks, they tried to give their slavic brothers in the balkans (Bulgaria, Serbia, Montenegro) as much "Turkish" land as possible. However, this was really Albanian land that the Turks had conquered and added to their empire. Europe agreed to punish the Turks (Ottoman Empire was Europe's biggest enemy) and thus ceded "Turkish" (Albanian) land to the slavic countries. The Congress of Berlin 1878 gave large tracts of land to Montenegro and Serbia. In fact, as a result of the Treaty the size of Montenegro doubled!

Troubles only began there, and continued to get worse. Today, the country known as "Albania" comprises only half of the Albanian land that was conquered by the Ottoman Empire. 50% of Albanian land is still outside the borders of "Albania" in the countries of Montenegro, Serbia, Macedonia, and Greece. This land hold ethnic Albanians that are indigenous to the areas in which they live.

I hope that answers your question for you... if you need some proof or documents or maps for me to back up my words I can provide them for you, but preferably through PMs or some other way because I don't want to turn this Chechen thread into a discussion about Albanians.

But I can assure you the Albanian civ is on its way with custom everything, especially sounds! It may take longer than expected because MeteorPunch advised me to wait until the SDK to create a proper UU, so we will see how it plays out.

Has the Chechenian UU bonus against russians?

They have a bonus against helicopter units... and since the Russian UU is Cossack, cavalry replacement, which upgrades to helicopter, I think in the late game the Chechens will be quite effective against the Russians ;)

this chechen civ is awesome, the details are great, and i cannot wait to play it, i am also looking forward to the albanian MOD, but, i have high expectations for this version,

i intend to rip the russians apart, and i wouldnt doubt if i shouted ALLAHU AKBAR while being caught up in the moment..lol

kaiserguard no offence but you could be the anti-christ!

Hey Tommy1234567890, can you try out my civ and tell me your thoughts?

kaiserguard no offence but you could be the anti-christ!
Really? Thank you so much!


@Shqype: The mod is great, its really superb, thats what I could say about the short time I played the mod. :goodjob:

Thank you Kaiserguard for your feedback :)

Perhaps you can give me suggestions on how to make it better?

I wouldnt know, maybe another UU, some kind of Mechanized Infantry that is weaker but can capture enemy units. I can code such units I think if it doesnt work for u.

That would be interesting, but I don't see how it would be a good representation of Chechnya ...

Do you mean to replace the existing UU or to add another one? Adding another would make the civ imbalanced, replacing it could be a possibility if a better UU for Chechnya was presented.

well, all seems good, LH, civilopedia, UU....

what bother me is the political aspect of it (reading what you wrote on the civilopedia seems to be much more oriented towards Russian aggression rather than great chechen accomplishement). the choice of the leaders are both good and bad. (they truly are chechen great leaders in the fight but they are really politically oriented).

well, the form is good, but i'm quite doubtfull on the rest...

..Rebellions flared up from time to time but with a majority of Albanians converted to Islam (roughly 2/3) tensions died down, except in the Catholic mountains of Malsia e Madhe which were tenacious defenders of Albanianism and Catholicism.. It's funny to see how you try to relate Albanianism to Catholicism (10% of Albanians) in every single occasion. If it weren't for you taking pride in those muslim Albanians who have made a name for themselves, some readers might even think you are embarassed of your nation's religion. ;)

It is not the religion of my nation, it is the religion of a conqueror that destroyed my nation.

Well LAnkou, it's hard not to mention those political aspects .. it is a controversial topic, no doubt, but I personally feel the Chechens, like all groups of people under a state that is not their own, have the right to self-determination... and they don't want to be part of the Russia that conquered them.

It is not the religion of my nation, it is the religion of a conqueror that destroyed my nation.It's really sad to notice you consider 90% of your fellow countrymen as degenerated and their culture and beliefs not worthy as much as your esteemed Catholic Albanian noblemen family. I wonder if the people from Albania proper share your controvertial and edgy opinions. :sad: But nevermind, I guess you are quite determined in your opinions and I have no desire to give lectures here. That would be hijacking your nice Chechen Mod.

I don't know where you get your numbers from, but they are not accurate... they might have been prior to the 20th century, but alot has changed since then.

During Zogu's reign thousands of Albanians re-embraced Christianity ... during Hoxha's dictatorship many others left Islam and became atheist. Most of the Albanians I know are Muslim in name, but nothing else; they don't follow that religion and are on the opposite end of fanatical ... they don't even go to xhami.

So the numbers have changed significantly.

Regardless of religion, the Turkish Occupation was a dark time of Albania's history.

I don't know where you get your numbers from, but they are not accurate... they might have been prior to the 20th century, but alot has changed since then.

During Zogu's reign thousands of Albanians re-embraced Christianity ... during Hoxha's dictatorship many others left Islam and became atheist. Most of the Albanians I know are Muslim in name, but nothing else; they don't follow that religion and are on the opposite end of fanatical ... they don't even go to xhami.

So the numbers have changed significantly.

Regardless of religion, the Turkish Occupation was a dark time of Albania's history. I got my numbers from CIA factbook 2005, but that's not an important issue compared to your intolerant attitude towards those who happen to have a different belief. I'm just stunned at how you degrade and despise your own people. One step further and you would be in the same category as the Nazi's or Ku Klux Klan who believed in the supremecy of one kind of people against others. I bet the only reason you didn't join Milosevic's Chetnik's against muslim Kosovar Albanians is becasuse Serbs are Orthodox and not Catholic. But your opinions towards them are the same: they are Turkish leftovers who should be eradicated to create a muslim free Balkans. (either under Catholic Albania or Orthodox Greater Serbia). Well you'll just have to eradicate at least 70% of Albanians in Albania and 99% of Albanians in Kosova.

You mentioned that Albania was occupied 33 times in history. Only during the Ottoman invasion Albanians achieved highest honors, from Scanderbeg to all of those Albanian Grand Viziers who dominated three continents. They never happened to become Roman Senators or Greek Prime Ministers.

Once again your post about Albanians is littered with falsehoods.

The Serbian aggression was not against Muslims despite their claims, it was against Albanians (I know Catholics that went and fought in the UCK for the freedom of Kosova, I also know Catholics that were killed, victims of genocide). Serbs did not ask if Albanians were Muslim or Catholic, they killed them nonetheless.

Secondly, speaking about Albanians only, Kosova is roughly 90% "Muslim." There are about 10% Catholic Kosovars, including Ibrahim Rugova, the president of Kosova. As I said before, a majority of these "Muslims" are not religious and do not follow their faith. That being said, there is a slight minority that are religious Muslims.

I am not a Nazi, or KKK, I despise both groups for their hatred and discrimination. I do not degrade and despise my own people either. It is unfortunate that at one point a majority gave up their faith and their culture to accept that of the Ottoman overlords. They believed that "getting ahead" economically and politically was more important. I, fortunately do not.

Your last statement is false too, since some of the greatest leaders of Rome were Illyrians.

Once again your post about Albanians is littered with falsehoods.

The Serbian aggression was not against Muslims despite their claims, it was against Albanians (I know Catholics that went and fought in the UCK for the freedom of Kosova, I also know Catholics that were killed, victims of genocide). Serbs did not ask if Albanians were Muslim or Catholic, they killed them nonetheless.

Secondly, speaking about Albanians only, Kosova is roughly 90% "Muslim." There are about 10% Catholic Kosovars, including Ibrahim Rugova, the president of Kosova. As I said before, a majority of these "Muslims" are not religious and do not follow their faith. That being said, there is a slight minority that are religious Muslims.

I am not a Nazi, or KKK, I despise both groups for their hatred and discrimination. I do not degrade and despise my own people either. It is unfortunate that at one point a majority gave up their faith and their culture to accept that of the Ottoman overlords. They believed that "getting ahead" economically and politically was more important. I, unfortunately do not.

Your last statement is false too, since some of the greatest leaders of Rome were Illyrians. I didn't say you were Nazi or KKK, you are just a little too close, considering yourself to be true to Albanian race (as if it mattered) and claiming muslim Albanians to be degenerated (you believe they were better off as Catholics, while the majority of Albanians were Orthodox before Ottomans).

Having both Albanian and Turkish blood I take pride in the glories of both nations and their heros, regardless of their religion or ideologies. On the other hand I don't define myself with any established religion and I feel pity for those who hold their religious dogmas against other humans who don't share the same idols from centruies ago. Same goes for holding a race on top of the other. I value human life, culture and civilization and praise and appreciate enlightened figures like Jelaleddin Rumi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumi).

Your lines were completely disregarding and disrespecting 600 years of Albania's history, beliefs and culture which was no less than any other nation. It is not my duty to preach people, but sharing at least partial connection with a fellow Albanian I felt sad at hearing your subjective opinions. I wouldn't be this much sad if I had heard those words from a fanatic nationalist Serb.

I value human life, culture and civilization
As do I.

Your lines were completely disregarding and disrespecting 600 years of Albania's history, beliefs and culture
By saying that the Ottoman Occupation was the darkest period of Albanian history? Those ~468 years were under a conqueror that mistreated and partially destroyed the Albanian people. I don't know why you call that disrespect.

while the majority of Albanians were Orthodox before Ottomans
False again. Gjergj Kastrioti's Albania was Catholic. At various points in history there were Orthodox Albanians, but mostly in the south. They were still outnumbered by their Catholic northerners.

Lastly, your claims are unfounded. Good day.

double post.

I got my numbers from CIA factbook 2005, but that's not an important issue compared to your intolerant attitude towards those who happen to have a different belief. I'm just stunned at how you degrade and despise your own people. One step further and you would be in the same category as the Nazi's or Ku Klux Klan who believed in the supremecy of one kind of people against others. I bet the only reason you didn't join Milosevic's Chetnik's against muslim Kosovar Albanians is becasuse Serbs are Orthodox and not Catholic. But your opinions towards them are the same: they are Turkish leftovers who should be eradicated to create a muslim free Balkans. (either under Catholic Albania or Orthodox Greater Serbia). Well you'll just have to eradicate at least 70% of Albanians in Albania and 99% of Albanians in Kosova.

You mentioned that Albania was occupied 33 times in history. Only during the Ottoman invasion Albanians achieved highest honors, from Scanderbeg to all of those Albanian Grand Viziers who dominated three continents. They never happened to become Roman Senators or Greek Prime Ministers.


An epic victory came from an albanian from the southern Tosk region of Albania that defeated the Roman Empire... he beat the Romans, but at the expense of his entire army (leading to his later defeat). (Greeks have tried to claim this hero, Pirro i Epirit/Pyrrus of Epirus)

Constantine, an Albanian from the northern region of Gegni, the very person who made Catholicism the religion of the Holy Roman Empire, along with Diocletion and many other Illyrian high ranking officers..

As Shqype has already stated, Kosova is 90% muslim, but I have yet to meet an Albanian that calls himself Muslim, before Albanian.. it is not that Shqype is trying to put down Islam, he is simply saying that it is not an Albanian religion.

During the rule of the Turks of Albanians, heavy taxes were put onto Catholics, if you were a Catholic riding on a horse, and a Muslim walked by, you would have to get off, and give it to the Muslim..

Catholic bishops had been threatened with their lives, such as being skinned, salted and being put into the streets to be eaten by dogs...
because of this fact, the bishops that held strong were very determined... such as the poet of Albania, Gjergj Fishta , a Franciscan monk, who along with others helped make Albania's alphabet.

Gjergj Fishta was from Gegni, the northern region of Albanianism (I will not refer to fake present day borders), close to the region of Malsia e Madhe.
In Malsi, Catholicism was practiced within the hearts of the Malsors (highlanders).. you can refer to Malsia as "the stronghold of Catholicism."

The geographical position of Malsia e Madhe and refusal to give in to enemy religion/culture was one of the main reasons why Catholicism is practiced greatly in the region today. Malsors are known to be Pure in blood by Albanians all over Albania.

Malsia e Madhe direct translation; "the Great Highland"
Malsia e Madhe is one of the smallest regions of Albania, it wasnt given its name for land nor amount of people, but for the word they kept and the pride/refusal to give in.

Another region of albania which is known to have some of the most cultural Albanians is Mirdite..
Mirdite (forgive the stereotype) are known to be very hard-headed and stick to what they believe...
During Ottoman rule, the Turks never had complete control of Mirdita, for when someone converted to Islam, they would be killed on the spot.

The conversion to Islam on Albanians' part was strictly for political/econimical benefits.
Some of the greatest Albanian heroes have Muslim names, for they kept Muslim names in public, and Catholic names within their house, living a Catholic life, such as..
Mehmet Shpendi, Smajl Martini(a personal relative of mine)..
Over generations, of fathers dying in rebellions against the Turks, children forgot about their secret Christian life within their homes..

That is why their were/are massive conversion to catholicism in recent days..
I met a young man from the city of Valona(Vlore), i had asked him what his religion was, just for make of conversation, (although i knew that in the past Vloras low coast was an easy target for Islam to penetrate).
The young man replied "Katelik (Catholic)" with certainty.
He told me that his parents were Muslim, but encouraged him that the next generation of Albanians was the hope, and should convert back to Christianity.

Religion is something that is to be chosen, not forced upon.
That my fellow brother, is why athiesim and Catholicism are growing in great numbers in the Freedom Starved Country of Albania.

An epic victory came from an albanian from the southern Tosk region of Albania that defeated the Roman Empire... he beat the Romans, but at the expense of his entire army (leading to his later defeat). (Greeks have tried to claim this hero, Pirro i Epirit/Pyrrus of Epirus)

Constantine, an Albanian from the northern region of Gegni, the very person who made Catholicism the religion of the Holy Roman Empire, along with Diocletion and many other Illyrian high ranking officers..

As Shqype has already stated, Kosova is 90% muslim, but I have yet to meet an Albanian that calls himself Muslim, before Albanian.. it is not that Shqype is trying to put down Islam, he is simply saying that it is not an Albanian religion.

During the rule of the Turks of Albanians, heavy taxes were put onto Catholics, if you were a Catholic riding on a horse, and a Muslim walked by, you would have to get off, and give it to the Muslim..

Catholic bishops had been threatened with their lives, such as being skinned, salted and being put into the streets to be eaten by dogs...
because of this fact, the bishops that held strong were very determined... such as the poet of Albania, Gjergj Fishta , a Franciscan monk, who along with others helped make Albania's alphabet.

Gjergj Fishta was from Gegni, the northern region of Albanianism (I will not refer to fake present day borders), close to the region of Malsia e Madhe.
In Malsi, Catholicism was practiced within the hearts of the Malsors (highlanders).. you can refer to Malsia as "the stronghold of Catholicism."

The geographical position of Malsia e Madhe and refusal to give in to enemy religion/culture was one of the main reasons why Catholicism is practiced greatly in the region today. Malsors are known to be Pure in blood by Albanians all over Albania.

Malsia e Madhe direct translation; "the Great Highland"
Malsia e Madhe is one of the smallest regions of Albania, it wasnt given its name for land nor amount of people, but for the word they kept and the pride/refusal to give in.

Another region of albania which is known to have some of the most cultural Albanians is Mirdite..
Mirdite (forgive the stereotype) are known to be very hard-headed and stick to what they believe...
During Ottoman rule, the Turks never had complete control of Mirdita, for when someone converted to Islam, they would be killed on the spot.

The conversion to Islam on Albanians' part was strictly for political/econimical benefits.
Some of the greatest Albanian heroes have Muslim names, for they kept Muslim names in public, and Catholic names within their house, living a Catholic life, such as..
Mehmet Shpendi, Smajl Martini(a personal relative of mine)..
Over generations, of fathers dying in rebellions against the Turks, children forgot about their secret Christian life within their homes..

That is why their were/are massive conversion to catholicism in recent days..
I met a young man from the city of Valona(Vlore), i had asked him what his religion was, just for make of conversation, (although i knew that in the past Vloras low coast was an easy target for Islam to penetrate).
The young man replied "Katelik (Catholic)" with certainty.
He told me that his parents were Muslim, but encouraged him that the next generation of Albanians was the hope, and should convert back to Christianity.

Religion is something that is to be chosen, not forced upon.
That my fellow brother, is why athiesim and Catholicism are growing in great numbers in the Freedom Starved Country of Albania.

Shqypetar, you are a character :) I hope I meet you one day when you grow up, I promise I won't hold any of these against you. You are probably 16-19 now therefore it's like at least 5 to 10 years until you settle down. I don't know how I can prove you I am sincere, but you got to take my word for it. You won't believe me today but there are a lot of things I like about your approach. You are a promising young man with a good potential. I hope you get the right direction.:goodjob:

New version released, with ZedderZulu's UU name change implemented. In addition, the leaders finally have diplomacy text (although it's not custom and taken from the American presidents), and there are now text files in each folder with the changes.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/Chechnya_v085.zip

shqype, do you think i can somehow buy civ, without having to download the albanian mod?

I think you should somehow get BROADBAND internet and/or a DVD drive.

thank you very much

You're welcome! I hope you like it. If there is anything you request regarding Chechnya or have suggestions or comments, I'de like to hear them :)

Wow, Im Impresed, a unique slection of a civ :) .

:goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob:

Just read a chechen's UU pedia... Man, you are a real anti-russian propagandist, I must say! What about creating an UU for Vietnam and write in it's pedia -
"This powerful late-game melee unit, a replacement of marine for Viet civ, starts with Guerilla I promotion, and it is very useful in destroying US aggressors, who invades their homeland"
PS
Russians didnt invade anyone, you incompetent fool, they were fighting terrorists, who (probably) were US mercenaries

You're trying to rewrite the historical role of Russia.
And, after you said that in 19th century, when Russia "occupated" Chechnya (in stead, just like many others caucasian folks, chechens asked russians to save thier lifes and beat the turks in exchange to be a Russia's faithful citizens, their culture was saved and increased) it was a Russian FEDERATION - I cant say that your knowledge of history deserves at least C-. Russian Federation - is the democratical name of the modern Russia. In all the time since the Romanovy dynasty was ruling Russia and until the reign of communists, Russia was an Empire/Tsardom/Kingdom, whatever you like, man. If russians would be an aggressors in caucasus (and in Baltic, too), they would perform ethnic cleanings in place of building there cities, houses, schools and other civilian goods. If russians wouldnt help Caucasians, they all would be killed by the Ottomans.

WOW, you really are delusional. You have the audacity to claim that the Chechens WANTED to be conquered and occupied by the Russians centuries ago during the Russian empire's expansion?

Russians didnt invade anyone, you incompetent fool, they were fighting terrorists, who (probably) were US mercenaries
If you continue with this type of language and disrespect you will be reported and hopefully banned.

The history of Russian expansion is invading and conquering. It is their life story, and it is something that still goes on today. Why do the Russians support the independence of their South Ossetian puppets but not the independence of the Chechen people who faced some of the worst human rights abuses in the latter 20th century by Russian soldiers?

@ Zerver look i'm trying to be neutral here but i just got to know something. Why do you think the US would send mercenarys to chechnya when this past couple of weeks has shown not to give a damn about the region.

I laught very much with our friend Shqype.

May be a day he can tell us when the Albanians arrived to the Moon, or when the Albanians discover America, or it may when the Albanians cured the AIDS in 2000 b.c.

It so funny :D

PS:I read in another post of our friend, than the albanian language is the older of the world and then, to be proud of it. If it is true, (I don't know how someone can say the age of a language), it will make only more difficult, for its speakers, to learn another language, and it's not to be proud of it.

I laught very much with our friend Shqype.

May be a day he can tell us when the Albanians arrived to the Moon, or when the Albanians discover America, or it may when the Albanians cured the AIDS in 2000 b.c.

It so funny :D

PS:I read in another post of our friend, than the albanian language is the older of the world and then, to be proud of it. If it is true, (I don't know how someone can say the age of a language), it will make only more difficult, for its speakers, to learn another language, and it's not to be proud of it.

Maybe you should stop "laughting" and improve your English skills.

PS - I never said Albanian was the oldest language in the world; I said it was the oldest surviving Indo-European language. I'm not sure what the last part of that paragraph means, especially since most Albanians I know speak 3 or 4 languages ...

I'm pleased to see another civ added.
I'm often annoyed by the prejudice of my fellow Europeans many of whom have no difficulty accepting (for example) Lithuania as a nation but doubt Chechnya is.

As an atheist I don't think Albania lost much by being conquered by a Muslim Empire. Christian Imperialists would've bled your country dry just the same and I think the USSR and China have shown us not to expect better of atheist imperialists. Much better not to be conquered at all but as a resident of a small country conquered 8 centuries ago (Wales) I know thats not always possible.

Hey Sqipe, why dont you stop coping/pasting the bull%&$^ from the different D- sites and start to use your own knowledge (if you have this)


As history shows, Russians actually are those who was always been attacked (Teutonics, Swedes, Pospolitta, Mongols, Pechenegs, Prussians, French, Nazies........).
I did not said that Chechens prefered occupation. If you'd read attentive, you'd found that I said that they had no choise but ask for a help in exchange to be a vassals.
The Ottoman armies were putting to knife every child and woman, because there was nearly nobody to protect them (many chechens have died in battle, fighting the overwelming turkish forces).
You typing bad things about russians because youre a propagandist, who was feeded by lies since you were a child by those who has a short memory about his own Folk, and who gain money for anti-russian propaganda. I dont hate chechens at all, just the guys like you are spoiling relations between lots of people.

Erh....
Me? Banned? Its a big question who is supposed to be banned.
You think that youre looking so good? Have nothing but to go and cry to parents?
And, first, think carefully before saying anything. Respect you? Any reasons? Maybe I should respect for that
You have insulted me by your conscienceless and impudent lies? That you have brought politic quarrels to this site, which was so long emmm.... a "Switzerland" in that meaning?
What, did you expect that nobody will prevent you from spreading propaganda and make this site's users think bad about other people, in this case, the russians users and nation? If so, you've chosen a wrong site for that.
You and your "colleagues" just HAVE to think up these lies about russians (youre form the US, so all is clear, just like Saakashvili and some Baltic rulers) for making Russia look bad just for nothing. Or, what will you have to say, if Ill mind about how many Native americans were killed and wiped out from their motherland? That Texas is an American territory only because of it's aggression against Mexico? That how many lifes were broken by actions of your goverment in Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Somali, Iraq, and now, in Georgia? How many children in Bislan were killed by the guys whom you call a "fighters for liberty"? You just need all of the western people think bad about Russia. The White House needs another country with an equal political strength as thier own just like the kid needs a broken glass in his playing yard. The same fate would have to face every nation if it would be in Russia's situation.

And, again, choose your speech carefully. It's easy to say different things to the people when youre sitting in front of your computer. The different situation is when you talking face to face.
OK?

I can find a lot of material to proove my words

country conquered 8 centuries ago (Wales) I know thats not always possible. The Saxons made us do it.

How'd Chechnya stay stuck Russia during Mike's U.S.S.R. liquidation sale anyway? Was there not a C.S.S.R or was it part of the R.S.S.R.?
What stake does Russia have in this region anyway? Cossacks? Oh wait, lemme guess :oil:
Oh well, I like Russia, I like Chechnya. Stop fighting please.
( I just happened across this randomly) Sorry, I think my British blood is acting up... or maybe its from standing too close to American foreign policy. Whatever it is, I have an urge to interfere in foreign affairs without looking into their background causes.

That you have brought politic quarrels to this site, which was so long emmm.... a "Switzerland" in that meaning?

So, Zerver, you haven't been to the Off Topic section yet?

was it part of the RSSR?

Yes, it was.