Welcome to the Civ 4 DG Term 1 Secretary of State Government Thread! Here you will find information about our relations with Foreign nations and how our Department is handling the diplomatic situation. If you want to ask a question, make a comment, or just ask for information, please feel free to post. I will serve ____ (<- country name goes there) to the best of my ability. Now let's get this game started so we can win our first CIV DG!

Secretary of State: greekguy


Current Discussions
Enemy Demands (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=3588810#post3588810)

Current Polls

Past Discussions/Polls

Enemy Civs

Mongols

I wish to apply for the deputyship :)

I wish to apply for the deputyship :)
The Secretary of State doesn't have a deputy because this position is part of the triumvirate

I wish to apply for the deputyship :)

I'd give it to you if the tri had deputies.

@Black_Hole: thanks for pointing that out, i forgot that the tri doesn't get deputies. :blush:

The Secretary of State doesn't have a deputy because this position is part of the triumvirate
I thought we had deputies inplace. When did we got rid of the Deputies?!

I thought we had deputies inplace. When did we got rid of the Deputies?!

The Triumverate and the Judiciary do not have deputies. All other positions do.

-- Ravensfire

I thought Triumverate was the name of the government. :confused:

I thought Triumverate was the name of the government. :confused:

It's also the name of the group the top three positions - President, Secretary of State and Secretary of War.

-- Ravensfire

Greetings citizens,

I come to you today to annouce the official transfer of powers from our President elect Alphawolf, to myself. Alphawolf has been declared absent by an official Judicial investigation. Our Code of Laws states that when the Presidency is declared vacant, all Presidential powers are transferred to the Secretary of State. That would be me. :D I will strive to run a smooth and honest administration, and work with my fellow cabinet on all matters, especially my fellow Triumverate Secretary of War Donovan_Zoi. I will now start a new President Government thread and Tri Government thread, for a fresh start at the Civ 4 DG. Now let's get this game moving!

-greekguy, Acting President and Secretary of State

Congartulations Greekguy! Just a question though, will you hold both offices for the term? Or will there be a S.S. election? Again congrats!

Congartulations Greekguy! Just a question though, will you hold both offices for the term? Or will there be a S.S. election? Again congrats!
He will hold both offices for the term. Under the Code of Laws, if any office of the Triumverate is vacant, one of the other members will assume the duties unless all three offices are vacant.

-- Ravensfire

thanks for the info ravensfire

We have met the Mongols! Should we be friendly to them? (That includes giving them things when they want ("demand") it).

We have met the Mongols! Should we be friendly to them? (That includes giving them things when they want ("demand") it).

I don't think that I've ever met a friendly Mongol! :D

We have met the Mongols! Should we be friendly to them? (That includes giving them things when they want ("demand") it).

Well there is a good chance they will start a war with us in the future, so they probably won't be a "friend" of ours. However, I'm not going to say if killing them off in the far away future is a good idea until i see what land they settle on.

well for the most part demands are to be refused as president greekguy's discussion thread showed. We shouldn't give into demands put it would probably be in our best interests to be friendly to them.

Should our Official State Department list the Mongols as enemies? Have they said they are our enemies? Did our government decide they were our enemies?

Should our Official State Department list the Mongols as enemies? Have they said they are our enemies? Did our government decide they were our enemies?

I'm not labeling them as anything. I'm merely stating that the aggressive nature of the Mongols will probably lead to conflict in the future.

I'm not labeling them as anything. I'm merely stating that the aggressive nature of the Mongols will probably lead to conflict in the future.

That's true enough. They're never the friendliest of neighbours and we'd be foolish not to bear that in mind.

I think we should be cautiously optomistic about our relationship with the Mongols. Assuming we don't end up a different religion than them we could easily become friends down the road.

Mr. Secretary of State,

As you haven't answer to my comments about your game session instructions, I'm addressing them here in hope of drawing your attention.

For the first two game sessions, you have been issuing self-contradictory instructions. On one hand, you say to put "envy head on a pole" if facing unjust demands, which effectively declares WAR. On the other hand, you explicitly say "do not declare WAR". What is your actual intention?

i don't see anything contradictory. read wht it says not what you think the intent is. its the difference between us declaring war, and putting another nation in the situation where they declare war on us. one way has a decidedly unfavorable effect on other nations and the other could improve our relations with other nations.
the secretary of state can't call for a declaration of war regardless, that is explicitly in the hands of the citizens.

Mr. Secretary of State,

As you haven't answer to my comments about your game session instructions, I'm addressing them here in hope of drawing your attention.

For the first two game sessions, you have been issuing self-contradictory instructions. On one hand, you say to put "envy head on a pole" if facing unjust demands, which effectively declares WAR. On the other hand, you explicitly say "do not declare WAR". What is your actual intention?

As my PM to you already states, I don't mean to declare war on them. Simply refuse their demands, and if they declare war, that's their problem. Also, like von_c said, the citizenry have to vote on a war, i can't declare by myself.

President/Secretary/Secretary

There is a scheduled game session tomorrow evening. Although it's dependant on this poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=155320), please post instructions in case it does happen.

I am most interested in the instructions for our military units.

Thanks,
-- Ravensfire

As has been previously pointed out, once again the SoS instructions are very poorly worded. Here is a copy of the feedback I posted in the discussion thread.

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Enemy Demands: How to Handle Them

Gold:
Envoy head on a pole

Techs:
Envoy head on a pole

Religion switching:
Yes, if friend. chop off head if foe

Civic switching:
Envoy head on a pole

Stop trading with Civ X:
Depends on who we are friends with, Civ X, or Civ Y demanding we stop the trading

Wars and Treaties: Don't declare war on anyone this TC. Don't sign any treaties because we don't have the knowldege of how to do so. ;)

End the chat after 10 turns.

This isn't how it works -- the head on a pole thing only shows up when you meet a civ, or want to declare war with them. The "no" option on demands varies by the type of demand -- for example the no response on a demand for a tech is often "sorry we can't help, it's no rose garden here either". This might even vary based on who the other civ is.

From a rules perspective, it's a good thing we don't automatically declare war by saying no. If saying no implied a declaration of war, then the assembly would have to pass an inititative authorizing no responses.

Also you're missing the most important potential popup, which is to ask if we want open borders. While this is very remote (requires writing to be discovered I think) there should be an instruction for it.

As has been previously pointed out, once again the SoS instructions are very poorly worded. Here is a copy of the feedback I posted in the discussion thread.

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This isn't how it works -- the head on a pole thing only shows up when you meet a civ, or want to declare war with them. The "no" option on demands varies by the type of demand -- for example the no response on a demand for a tech is often "sorry we can't help, it's no rose garden here either". This might even vary based on who the other civ is.

From a rules perspective, it's a good thing we don't automatically declare war by saying no. If saying no implied a declaration of war, then the assembly would have to pass an inititative authorizing no responses.

Also you're missing the most important potential popup, which is to ask if we want open borders. While this is very remote (requires writing to be discovered I think) there should be an instruction for it.

sorry about that, i'll fix it in a minute.