In light of recent unfortunate events, we must move to a runoff vote between Chieftess and Donovan Zoi, both of whom tied according to corrected results for the Term 1 elections. Relevant information may be found here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=151795).

This poll is between those two candidates, and will be open for four days. Information and debates between the two candidates may be found in the original Nomination Thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=149619) and Election Thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=150533&page=3).

As a reminder (summary thanks to Alphawolf): The Secretary of War is a member of the Triumvirate. The Secretary of War shall have control of all military land units with the exception of garrisons under the control of Governors and units assigned to settlers, all air units, and in charge of military planning.

My apoligies, by the way, for posting this in the polls subforum. For some reason, I am unable to create a poll in the main forum.

I also do this under my authority as Term 1 Censor - this isn't a justified legal position taken by the court, but it would seem that the previous term's censor should cease his duties as a new term begins, and that runoff elections (which aren't well defined in the CoL, by the way) should be handled by the new Censor.

Moved - Rik

Go Donovan !! Lead us to glory.

I am a citizen, but I cannot vote ?

I am a citizen, but I cannot vote ?Did you see this? (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=151470) ;)

Ah, supporting DZ now, Rik? ;)

Vote for me!

I'm a citizen too, for sure, and I can't vote either.

It seems the move to the main forum has prevented us citizens from voting. Are you sure the group permissions for us are set correctly? Now this poll is screwed up...I suggest you move it back to the polls forum (with a notice in the main forum) so we can actually vote. ;)

Yep, i cant vote either and im a member of the group

Yep, i cant vote either and im a member of the group

Strange. I can't vote here either and I am a candidate! :eek:

It looks like the Main Forum is not set up for usergroup polls; is that a correct assumpton? If so, I would really have no problem with us keeping the poll here for the duration. :mischief: :lol:

@All: This Election-poll belongs in the Main Forum, not the Poll-section. Moving it there is not right, at the moment.
Thunderfall has been informed that you can't vote. He'll look into it. He'll either solve it so that people can vote here, or we'll move this poll to the Poll-section after all.

I voted while it was in the poll section and my vote was counted. That appears to be the problem.

You should be able to now. I forgot to set the permission for the main DG forum...

No still can't :(.

It's because you haven't requested to join the group yet... See my thread here:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=151470

Everyone in the group should be able to vote.

You should be able to now. I forgot to set the permission for the main DG forum...

Thanks, TF. I can vote now. :D

If some of you are still having trouble voting then you need to do the following:

1. Click on User CP on the horizontal menu above. That will take you to your personal Control Panel.

2. Once there, go almost all the way down to the bottom of the vertical menu on the left-hand side. Click on Group Membership.

3. Once there, you should have the option to join the 4 Democrazy Game. Click the button fo Join Group. (NOTE: If the button for the DG states "Leave Group" then you are already an accepted member and should be able to vote here).

4. Wait for your membership to be processed by our moderators. You will be able to vote here once approved.


This public service announcement has been brought to you by:

Donovan Zoi, candidate for Secretary of War

Oh thanks Thuderfall I joined and it worked :).

I voted for DZ and encourage all other citizens to do so as well. Go DZ!

Should this poll not run for longer as it was closed for a few hours now?

:lol: :mischief: :rotfl:

Too funny. I really don't think this will solve the base problem. But good luck!

Should this poll not run for longer as it was closed for a few hours now?
A brand new poll would be most fair, but I don't think people want to vote for a third time. A couple hour extension to compensate would be best.

In normal elections, most votes come in at the beginning and at the end. Those who wish to vote and found a problem with the poll are likely to come back and see if it's fixed, and for those who wait until the end, the time missing from the beginning won't matter.

So in short, I don't think we need a new poll.

There is always the chance that it will tie again, and then people who want a new poll will get their wish. :eek:

Once there, you should have the option to join the 4 Democrazy Game.
umm... does it still say Democrazy? I am pretty sure I fixed that a few days ago. :crazyeye: :D

umm... does it still say Democrazy? I am pretty sure I fixed that a few days ago. :crazyeye: :D

Suuuuuuuuuuure you did. ;)

umm... does it still say Democrazy? I am pretty sure I fixed that a few days ago. :crazyeye: :D

You most certainly did. :) I was just going on the assumption that it hadn't been changed yet. :cracyeye:

Hey, how come my "cracyeye" smiley doesn't work anymore?? What's going on?? :confused: :lol:

A brand new poll would be most fair, but I don't think people want to vote for a third time. A couple hour extension to compensate would be best.

This poll is already running for four days instead of three for some reason. I am sure everyone will have plenty of time to vote.

If I lose this election, I certainly won't ask for an unnecessary extension.

You most certainly did. :) I was just going on the assumption that it hadn't been changed yet. :cracyeye:

Hey, how come my "cracyeye" smiley doesn't work anymore?? What's going on?? :confused: :lol:

Somebody else needed the "z" and hasn't returned it yet. :lol:

This poll is already running for four days instead of three for some reason. I am sure everyone will have plenty of time to vote.

If I lose this election, I certainly won't ask for an unnecessary extension.

What happens if there is another tie? Another tie-breaking poll? :confused:

Then we run it again. And again. And again. Look in the archives (DG2? DG3?) for the Donsig/Strider election. That had 3 runoffs.

EDIT: Never mind, my mistake...

Incredible, one vote broke the deadlock between two very qualified candidates. I felt DZ had a superior stance to CT's as posted in the original election.

Hehe. Seems like this is going to be a close one, again. If this one's a tie then I think we should just toss a coin like they did with the Gore vs. Bush "election" :crazyeye: :lol:

currently tied 19-19

People of our nation,

I would like to extend my congratulations to Chieftess for her 11th hour victory in this election. What remains to be seen is whether this poll will even be valid in the eyes of the people.

With that being said, I would like to encourage all citizens to support the Triumvirate ruleset in this poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=152528). This is now our ratified law of the land and therefore, it should require legal, not forum, action to change this.

As an original supporter of the Flexible ruleset, I can state that this isn't a tough decision for me. The Triumvirate ruleset is up and ready to go, so we should work to make changes from within. There is nothing stopping us from gradually transitioning from one ruleset to the other via the amendment process.

I would like to thank all of my supporters for making this another close race. As I have said before, you are in good military hands with Chieftess. I now plan to spend my free time pursuing some of the legal aspects of our dilemma, based on our current ruleset. As far as I am concerned, the show shall go on as planned, regardless of this incident.

Respectfully,

Donovan Zoi

Whoops, looks like I spoke too soon. For some reason, I thought it was the 8th. :lol:

This poll will still be running for another 15 hours, so I will retract my concession for now. However, I will not retract my statement regarding our current legal dilemma. Let's handle it properly.

55 people can vote in this poll (requested and received access to the membership group). There is still room for campaigning. Get those 16 voters voting for you, Donovan !

It's the final day. Anything can happen!

55 people can vote in this poll (requested and received access to the membership group). There is still room for campaigning. Get those 16 voters voting for you, Donovan !

Chieftess, get at least 8 of them for you! There's still some campaigning to be done. ;)


It's the final day. Anything can happen!

Hopefully not. Let's agree on something within in the laws. ;)

I don't like mass pm-ing though, but 40 voters is a good number for any demogame. So, I'll make one final campaign here.


Not only did I express my plans in the previous election thread, but upon holding office, I will provide sub-offices for more participation. (office of civic defense, office of the army, office of the navy, office of exploration, etc.).

I don't like mass pm-ing though, but 40 voters is a good number for any demogame. So, I'll make one final campaign here.


Not only did I express my plans in the previous election thread, but upon holding office, I will provide sub-offices for more participation. (office of civic defense, office of the army, office of the navy, office of exploration, etc.).

I don't want to destroy your new campaign idea but don't promise what you can't fulfill. IIRC, there are no deputies for a triumvirat member and, IMO, it might be a quite shallow job to run a sub-office. Maybe you explain what you were thinking about in particular.

Take a look at prior demogames. Deputies or not, people often did have sub-offices. It adds a bit of fun and roleplay to the game.

I too shall restrict all campaigning to this thread. I have no intererest in winning this election via PM nor do I even know who has yet to vote!

When making this decision, please keep in mind that this position may soon be one step closer to the Presidency (which is nearly 7 days vacant), and therefore should have a solid grasp of all aspects of our nation. Not only do I possess the knowledge needed to successfully protect our fledgling nation, but I am also committed to our legal interests as well.

Let me help to lead this nation during this most troubling of times. I will do all I can to ensure that our nation stays on the right track despite our rocky start.

When making this decision, please keep in mind that this position may soon be one step closer to the Presidency (which is nearly 7 days vacant), and therefore should have a solid grasp of all aspects of our nation. Not only do I possess the knowledge needed to successfully protect our fledgling nation, but I am also committed to our legal interests as well.


But this runoff is still about Sec of War, isn't it? :rolleyes:


Vacancies
IVB. Should a vacancy occur in the Triumvirate the President shall take over the duties of the vacant office. Should the Presidency be the vacant office the Secretary of State shall take over the duties of the President.

Yeah, but if the Secretary of the State is, for some reason, vacant, then the Secreatry of the War assumes his duties. So whoever wins here will be second in command - provided that Tri is confirmed - when the game starts.

Whoops, looks like I spoke too soon. For some reason, I thought it was the 8th. :lol:

This poll will still be running for another 15 hours, so I will retract my concession for now. However, I will not retract my statement regarding our current legal dilemma. Let's handle it properly.

No, it was going to be running for another 27 hours at the time you wrote that post. You gave up more than one day too early... :crazyeye:

You may want to check your time setting under your forum settings. :lol:

Yeah, but if the Secretary of the State is, for some reason, vacant, then the Secreatry of the War assumes his duties. So whoever wins here will be second in command - provided that Tri is confirmed - when the game starts.

Thanks, Blkbird. I was just weighing the option of responding to a perpetrator of the "rolleyes" smiley, who has already pledged support for my opponent. :lol:

Now for everyone else --- what will you get from me?

1. Discussion on promotions before they happen.
2. Vocal endorsement of strategic city locations during those discussions.
3. Explicit instructions on how to handle combat for each type of animal, as well as how to deal with barbarians.
4. Assessment of the relative strength of our neighbors once we make contact.
5. A provided escort for each Settler.
6. A discussion on exploration vs. fortification.
7. An open door policy in all military affairs
8. Someone who can step in and lead if needed.

No, it was going to be running for another 27 hours at the time you wrote that post. You gave up more than one day too early... :crazyeye:

You may want to check your time setting under your forum settings. :lol:

My time settings are correct, and there is now just over 12 hours to go. Have you checked your settings?

This poll closes on January 8th at 12:45am CST (0645 GMT). The time is now 12:09pm (1809 GMT) on January 7th.

Oh, OK, I guess I didn't pay proper attention to the AM/PM part, which, btw, I hate very much (like the whole imperial system).

My time setting is always UTC, and I have a world clock (FireClocks (http://www.stemhaus.com/firefox/foxclocks/) plugin for the Firefox (http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/) browser) that shows me the UTC time, so I don't have to calculate the TZ differences.

Yeah, but if the Secretary of the State is, for some reason, vacant, then the Secreatry of the War assumes his duties. So whoever wins here will be second in command - provided that Tri is confirmed - when the game starts.

Am I missing something here? Is the presidency vacant?
(Alphawolf left an absence notice and was online today.)

@DonovanZoi: You have a strong 8 point program. :goodjob:

Am I missing something here? Is the presidency vacant?

Yes you're missing the single most significant event here: Alphawolf has been excluded from the game for the time being:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=152528

Yes you're missing the single most significant event here: Alphawolf has been excluded from the game for the time being:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=152528

I go with the following statement.

So: Do not convict Alphawolf as long as he is presumed innocent. I remind the citizens of the Constitution; Article B - 1g "The Right to Presumption of Innocense unless proven guilty".

I go with the following statement.

Doesn't matter. By being absent from the forums for 7 straight days, his position should be declared vacant under our law by our Judiciary sometime tomorrow. That is, unless they choose to ignore their duty and defer to the moderators on this whole thing. We'll find out soon enough.

Doesn't matter. By being absent from the forums for 7 straight days, his position should be declared vacant under our law by our Judiciary sometime tomorrow. That is, unless they choose to ignore their duty and defer to the moderators on this whole thing. We'll find out soon enough.

Might be not as trivial though. He left an absence notice and he was online today.
Question: Does a cabinet member or triumvirat member have to be posting within in that 7 day period or just log in? :confused:

Might be not as trivial though. He left an absence notice and he was online today.
Question: Does a cabinet member or triumvirat member have to be posting within in that 7 day period or just log in? :confused:

I expect to see some activity and an explanation. The wheels of progress must continue to roll. As I've said, we'll see what the Judiciary thinks.

I expect to see some activity and an explanation. The wheels of progress must continue to roll.

I agree. The term "vacant" is used here in relation to one's office, not to the forum. An office holder is "vacant" if he doesn't do anything for his office. In that sense, he is vacant even if he comes here and votes in an election - because the act of voting in an election is unrelated to the office.

How long is this poll up for? I can't vote yet because I'm not officially a member of the usergroup. What iff the poll ends before I'm added to the user group?

donsig: added

donsig: added

Rik Meleet: thanks - I just voted.

*Now how does that trick for voting more than once work?*

(..)*Now how does that trick for voting more than once work?*That's no joking matter ... :sad:

That's no joking matter ... :sad:

Sorry, couldn't resist though. :D

Five hours to go, and we're still tied!

I'd like to propose that, from now on, all tied runoff elections be decided by a game of chance. :p

Five hours to go, and we're still tied!

I'd like to propose that, from now on, all tied runoff elections be decided by a game of chance. :p

Ooo, ooo, I know! We can have them play a pbem game of [civ4] and the winner gets the office! :mischief:

Ooo, ooo, I know! We can have them play a pbem game of [civ4] and the winner gets the office! :mischief:

That's the single greatest idea! Although they're currently no longer tied.

CT 21, DZ 20, with 2 1/2 hours to go.

I had mixed feelings on this election.

CT has advantages in being an early tester and having to be online a lot in order to moderate, and a disadvantage of potential distractions from having to moderate and possible superiority complex from having been a tester. :mischief:

DZ has the advantage that when he picks up a role and has the proper amount of time to do it, he's all over that project, but a disadvantage of falling inactive at inopportune moments either from lack of time or reduced interest in the role. :mischief:

No offense intended to either party, and I'm not saying who I voted for. It was one of the first votes btw, nothing to read into latest developments. :D

CT 21, DZ 20, with 2 1/2 hours to go.

I had mixed feelings on this election.

CT has advantages in being an early tester and having to be online a lot in order to moderate, and a disadvantage of potential distractions from having to moderate... :mischief:

Ok... What are you planning? :mischief:

And the wineeer iiis - unknown until at least next poll. :lol:

Congratulations to both for still being in the race. :D

You know, we could poll this again, and it might STILL be tied.... same thing happened to donsig/Strider.

You know, we could poll this again, and it might STILL be tied.... same thing happened to donsig/Strider.

Then we better get started. Where is the Censor?

And make sure to make this a 3 day poll...

And make sure to make this a 3 day poll...

Ditto. I am almost willing to concede this election (and almost did) based on the fact that I should have lost this election 24 hours ago.

But I won't. ;) After all, we should be afforded some type of distraction while that other thing is going on.

Ready for another round, CT?

It will be interesting to see if this election is decided before the government decision. :lol:

:lol:

You guys should just draw a straw. It will be quicker that way.

In the interest of finishing things, is it possible for me to change my vote?

Seriously, guys - can I just flip a coin? :D

A new election poll will be posted shortly.

In the interest of finishing things, is it possible for me to change my vote?

Sorry, but the poll's closed. It would be nice, but not entirely fair for other voters and the candidates (someone might want to change their vote 2 weeks from now...).

True enough. Oh well...we can see how things go this time. :)

The Second Runoff Election has begun! (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=152829)

The Second Runoff Election has begun! (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=151960)

Thanks, Oct, but try again. You linked to this poll by accident. :)

You would have figured out where the new poll was eventually. :p

:lol:

You guys should just draw a straw. It will be quicker that way.

Maybe we can use the RMG -- err, I mean, the RNG. :D