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CivArmy s. 1994
Jan 07, 2006, 02:45 PM
The file is: http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/Etruscans.zip

Civilization: Etruscans
Noun: Etruscans
Adjective: Etruscan
Colors: Red
Starts with: Fishing and Mining
UU: Etruscan Chariot (Chariot, 1+ moviment)


http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/86/etruscans017cx.jpg


Title and leader: King Lars Porsenna
Leader bonuses: Financial and Spiritual
Leader favourite civic: Hereditary Rule

Cities:
Tarquinii
Cisra
Velch
Vetluna
Fufluna
TO BE CONTINUED...


http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/9494/etruscans027jz.jpg


http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/1456/etruscans032ko.jpg


http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/4771/etruscans044ts.jpg

Red Door
Jan 08, 2006, 08:54 AM
When's the second pack with all the civs coming out?

CivArmy s. 1994
Jan 08, 2006, 10:32 AM
When's the second pack with all the civs coming out?

yeap, Next Level Mod "2" will come with Firaxis leaders + N.L.M. "1" leaders + all my new leaders :D I want see how Jecrell will find colors to everyone :lol:

Broken Legion
Jan 13, 2006, 09:06 AM
You do good work, thanks, though you don't do the Civlopedia for many of your civs, I imagine you'd get tired of doing them, if you ever would like one done, tell which civ/leader its and I'll have a go if you like.

Carloquillo
Jan 23, 2006, 02:44 PM
Very good work, CivArmy! :goodjob:

Perhaps some investigations that I did for the Etruscan Civ (for CIV III) could be you useful. The names written in italic are in old Etruscan language.

Civilization:

Rasenna (Etruscans)
Mechl Rasnas (The Etruscan People)

Title of the leader:

Lauchmun (King)
Zilath Mechl Rasnas (Magistrate of the Etruscan People)

Great Leaders:

Larth Porsenna (Lars Porsenna)
Macstarna (Servius Tulius)
Thefarie Uelianas
Uelthur Spurinna
Lauchun Tarchunies (Lucius Tarquinius Priscus)
Cneve Tarchunies Rumach (Cnaeus Tarquinius Romanus)

Other Leaders (scientifics)

Uulca Ueial (Vulca Veii)
Auele Felusce
Auele Uipienna

Cities:

Tarchna (Tarquinii)
Caisra (Caere)
Uelch (Vulci)
Uei (Veii)
Uelathri (Volaterrae)
Uetluna (Vetulonia)
Pupluna Variants: Pufluna and Fufluna (Populonia)
Cleusin (Clusium)
Uelsna (Volsinii)
Perusna (Perusia)
Curtun (Cortona)
Nula (Nola)
Felthna (Felsina-Bononia)
Manthua (Mantua)
Ruma (Roma)
Capeua (Capua)
Melpum (Mediolanum)

Excuses by my English so bad :(

CivArmy s. 1994
Jan 24, 2006, 04:23 PM
@carloquillo, good stuff, thanks! :thanx: I can use all this in a future version ;)

@Broken Legion: if u want to create some civilopedia, please, create them and post, I can add them in future version :D

Vel Saties
Feb 14, 2006, 04:28 PM
@ Carloquillo

Where you found Zilath Mechl Rasnas ? From the etruscan inscription [mp68: 211] I read zilath mexl rasnal (Praetor of the Etruscan Territory)

Thefarie Uelianas is not correct. From the Pyrgi Lamellae I read Thefariei Velianas.........
Uelthur Spurinna is not correct. From the inscription [az96] I read the family name Spurina so the right name is Velthur Spurina........

Uulca Ueial is not correct. The right name is: Vulca Veial.........
Auele Uipienna is not correct. From the etruscan inscriptions [g/lb83, lrp 57] I read Avle Vipinas (in Latin was translated as Aulus Vibenna)..........

The correct etruscan name for Vulci is Velcha or Velx, not Uelch........
The correct etruscan name for Caere is Cisra, not Caisra........
The correct etruscan name for Vetulonia is Vetalu or Vetluna, not Uetluna.........
The correct etruscan name for Veii is Vei or Veis, not Uei.........
The correct etruscan name for Clusium is Clevsi, not Cleusin
The correct etruscan name for Volterrae is Velathri, not Uelathri..........
The correct etruscan name for Volsinii from the inscription [g/lb83 27] is Velsna or [djh 14] Velsina or [az96] Velzna, not Uelsna.......

@ CivArmy

Some cities to add to the list......
Ceicna (Cecina)
Peithesa (city name found on etruscan coins)
Echetia (city name found on etruscan coins)
Caletra (Marsiliana d'Albegna)
Sveam (Sovana)
Plz (Castrum Politianum or Montepulciano)

A couple of etruscan heroes....
Marce Camitlnas
Cailie Vipinas

Broken Legion
Feb 15, 2006, 05:30 AM
Here's my Civpedia for the Etruscans, I'm open to criticism and changes.
<Tag>TXT_KEY_CIV_ETRUSCAN_PEDIA</Tag>
<English>[TAB]The Etruscans were a people who populated the northern parts of what is now modern day Italy. They proceeded the Roman Empire and evidence suggests that they founded and heavily influenced the early city of Rome. the Etruscans themselves however were not the first people in Italy and probably were the remnants of the Villanovan culture after a period of intermingling with Greek immigrants. According to Virgils' Aeneid it was the defeated Trojan warrior, Aeneas, who fled to Italy and there founded Rome. He misses out the Etruscans completely, however historians have found some evidence that links the mysterious Etruscans with the city and culture of Troy though they are not conclusive. Whatever the case the Etruscans displayed characteristics of the 'civilised' people of Greece.[PARAGRAPH:2] Wherever they came from the Etrsucans would have a lasting effect on the region they occupied and on their famous descendents. The Etruscan government was advanced compared to the surrounding peoples who still were tribal in structure. The Etruscans developed an early state form of government similar to the greeks but much more authoritarian. By the 300BC at the latest, this had evolved (or devolved) into a hereditary system. [BOLD]Lars Porsenna[\BOLD] is one of the latest recorded Kings of the Etruscans. Whether they were under Kings or State government the Etruscans were undoubtably a theocracy. Their religion was a polytheism similar to many others in at the time. The government was viewed as being a central authority, over all tribal and clan organizations. It retained the power of life and death; in fact, the gorgon, an ancient symbol of that power, appears as a motif in Etruscan decoration. The adherents to this state power were united by a common religion.[PARAGRAPH:2]The ancient line of Roman Kings were related to the Etruscan Kings, some speculate that Rome was created as a seperate Kingdom as a means of spreading the inheritance. Whatever the case the relationship between Rome and the Etruscans wasn't always friendly. The Etruscan Kings did mount campaigns against the city of Rome, and were successful by some accounts, though they never re-subjugated the region. Relations could only worsen with the Romans deathly afraid of the notion of Kings. From the beginning of the 4th century BC Rome began the systematic conquest of the Etruscan territories. Vei, the most southern Etruscan city, was the first city conquered by the Romans in 386 BC, followed by Cisra (Caere), Tarchna (Tarquinii), Velcha (Vulci) in 280 BC and the other Etruscan cities were conquered by Rome.[PARAGRAPH:2]The Etruscans hold a great fascination for many and debate rages on about how much influence they had on Rome. Few would doubt that Rome was a descendant of the Etuscans, and while they may never have spread further than Italy, their Roman relatives would carry much of their culture across the world.</English>

Vel Saties
Feb 16, 2006, 04:19 AM
@ Broken Legion

Your civpedia is very good. Some info about the fall of Etruscan civilization:

From the beginning of the 4th century BC Rome begins the conquer of the Etruscan territories. Vei, the most southern Etruscan city, was the first city conquered by the Romans in 386 BC, one after one Cisra (Caere), Tarchna (Tarquinii), Velcha (Vulci) in 280 BC and the other Etruscan cities was conquered by Rome.

Broken Legion
Feb 16, 2006, 04:26 AM
I didn't know that, obviously, I hope you don't mind that I've added it into my original.

Vel Saties
Feb 16, 2006, 06:42 AM
No problem. If you need other info...........

Broken Legion
Feb 16, 2006, 07:15 AM
Anything you know about Lars Porsenna...?

Carewolf
Feb 16, 2006, 07:25 AM
Thefarie Uelianas is not correct. From the Pyrgi Lamellae I read Thefariei Velianas.........
Uelthur Spurinna is not correct. From the inscription [az96] I read the family name Spurina so the right name is Velthur Spurina........


Please realize that there was no difference between U and V in latin, and I assume in Etruscan.

I think though the V forms are better.

Vel Saties
Feb 16, 2006, 10:17 AM
Anything you know about Lars Porsenna...?

With this name, historical sources (Livio, Tacito) remember the king of Clevsi (lat. Clusium or Camars; today known as Chiusi) Larth (or Laris) Pursiena. After the expulsion of Tarquinius Superbus, Pursiena besiege Rome from 509 BC to 504 BC (year of the Ariccia battle in which was killed the king's son Aranth). This battle is present in the historical records of Cuma. According to some modern historians Porsina ruled over Rome for some years. We know from Plutarch writings that a bronze statue of Pursiena was dedicated to the Etruscan king in the Roman Senate.

Vel Saties
Feb 16, 2006, 10:31 AM
Please realize that there was no difference between U and V in latin, and I assume in Etruscan.

I think though the V forms are better.

I know, but the italic and bold text in my reply are written in Etruscan, not in Latin.

In the Etruscan alphabet U and V are distinct letters.

In the transcription of Latin and Greek words into Etruscan, the vowel o and the omega in Greek is always written as u; the Greek word Phoinix become Phuinis, Acheron becomes Achrum, Prometheus (Promatheus) becomes Prumathe. The Roman author Pliny tells us that "some peoples of Italy have no letter o, and use the letter u instead, specifically the Etruscans and the Umbrians".

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/1562/alphabet7hx.gif

Carloquillo
May 10, 2006, 11:04 AM
@Vel Saties

Above all some general considerations.

In the first place I want to indicate that I am not a specialist in old Etruscan, although by some reasons I have studied a little this theme.

To seek information and material for the "Etruscan civilization for Civ III" (as well as for other "civs" that you can find in my web) I have consulted enough bibliographical documentation and varied webs. As you can imagine and verify, the results have been very diverse and even contradictory. Therefore I have had the obligation to decide necessarily among the multiple options and try to give to the whole of the "Etruscan Civ" a certain uniformity, always it holds to errors, as is it logical. (This is something that I comment in my web)

Finally, on the transcription of the Etruscan alphabets to other languages, like you will know, there are different opinions, that in some cases (not always) they depend on the nationality of the transcriptor.

A very important detail:

You say that you read the Etruscan inscriptions [mp68: 211], [az96], [g/lb83], etc... Without a doubt you are joking ¿isn't it? You could hardly have read something from those inscriptions because they are not inscriptions. Those are bibliographical references.

[mp68] refers to the edition from 1968 of the work "Etruscologia" by Massimo Pallottino, [az96] refers to the edition from 1996 of the work "I Documenti Etruschi" by Adolfo Zavaroni, [g/lb83] to the edition from 1983 of the work "The Etruscan Language: An Introduction" by Giuliano & Larissa Bonfante, etc.

Now let's see your objections:

"Where you found Zilath Mechl Rasnas?"

….(L)arisal Crespe Thanchvilus Pumpnal clan zilath (mechl) rasnas marunuch (cepe)n zilc thufi tenthas marunuch pachanati ril LXIII from "Testimonia Linguae Etruscae" de Massimo Pallottino. As you will know Massimo Pallottino is one of the greater world authorities in old Etruscan.

Really, along with zilath mechl rasnas we can also find zilath mexl rasnal, zilath mekhl rasnal and zilath mexl rasnas. This is due to the fact that on the one hand the sound /kh/ can be transcribed as "ch", "x" or "kh" (even, at times, "h") and on the other hand it is due to the double desinence that the Etruscan normally uses for the genitive (-s/-l/)

Before continuing, a comment. As I have said previously with reference to the sound /kh/ the Etruscan letters can be transcribed in different ways to other lenguages. We can see it in the image of the Etruscan alphabet that your you have put and in others that I will put down.

We observe the sixth letter. It is normally known like digamma. It is true that the Etruscan digamma is generally transcribed "v", what is not yet this totally clear is which was the sound/s that it represented, nevertheless the majority of the etruscologists believe that sometimes it was /w/ bilabial, like the English w in woman or the Latin v in vincit, other times it was /v/ labiodental, like in English valour or in Italian vicino, and even others it was /f/ labiodental fricative, like in English factory. About the use of the digamma we also observe that diphthongs like au are frequently spelled av: lautni>lavtni; aule>avle.

Later I will explain my reasons to transcribe the digamma as "u" but it remains thus clarified that it is possible/feasible to do it.

Let's continue then:

From Pyrgi Lamellae you read Thefariei Velianas. This is correct. But perhaps you have not read it complete, only the first tablet, therefore in the second tablet nac Thefarie Veliiunas thamuce... appears also. In any case, the name of this personage generally admitted by the specialists is Thefarie Velianas.

There are too many doubts on the Etruscan terminations in -enna/-ena/-inna/-ina to emit a final opinion. Observe that according to specialists, and they are even contradictory at times, it is used indistinctly Ras(e)na/Rasenna // Porsena/Porsenna/Porsina // Spurina/Spurinna // Vipi(e)na(s)/Vipi(e)nna.

The correct etruscan name for Vulci is not known. We can find Velcha /Velch /Velx /Velca /Velc /Velf/ Velcal/ Velcl/ Veic / (...?)

The correct etruscan name for Caere is not known. We can find Chisra /Cisra /Caisra /Caisria /Chaire /Cheri /(...?)

The correct etruscan name for Vetulonia is not known. We can find Vetluna /Vatluna /Vaitluna /Vatlna / Vetalu/ Vatlu/ (...?)

The correct etruscan name for Veii is not known. We can find Vei /Veia /Veis/Veii/ (...?)

The correct etruscan name for Clusium is not known. We can find Clevsin/ Clevsina/ Clevsi/ (...?)

The correct etruscan name for Volaterrae is not known. We can find Velathri /Felathri/ Velauri/ (...?)

The correct etruscan name for Volsinii is not known. We can find Velsna /Velzna/ Velsina /Velsu/ (...?)

Thus we would be able to continue with all the Etruscan cities. And thus we would be able to continue with almost all the referring thing to the old Etruscan. Affirming so categorically what is correct thing or not in relation to a language that is known very little is a boldness, not to say another joke. The unique thing that we can do is to choose among the multiple possibilities that are offered to us and to try to justify our election in the better possible way.

This is my justification:

When I faced the need to transcribe to the Latin alphabet the terms written in Etruscan alphabet I thought that the best option was a phonetic transcription, but playing at the same time with an italic aspect and an eastern aspect.

The sounds that more problem presented to me were really /kh/ and /w/, also /k/, /z/ and /th/

In the case of /k/ I opted for "c" since the most extended one and at the same time I thought it related the Etruscan with the Latin. As a result of this, the sound /kh/ necessarily had to be "ch". I preferred to leave the sound /th/ as "th" to avoid the confusion with /z/ which I also opted to transcribe like "z" that is more usual.

The great doubt was the sound of digamma /w/, the options were "v", "w" or "u". Although the option "v" was the most logical (and the most extended one), it did not like me because it approached too much the Etruscan terms to the Latin above all after having determined to use "c" for /k/ and to maintain in some cases the ending -enna. The "w" seemed me excessively oriental and I already had used it for the "Hittite civ" and the "Egyptian civ". The "u" remained me then. And i liked, that gave to it the exotic look that I sought and so do not there would be any doubt relating to its pronunciation. And this is all... or almost all. ;)

In any case, Vel Saties, I thank your objections because, although I do not agree with you, they have done me to return on the theme of the "Civs for the Sid Meyer's Civilization" (something that already I wanted to do) and to retouch some aspects that I will incorporate to my web.

@CivArmy

Excuse me for this long post in your thread, but I considered necessary to do these explanations. With the excuses receive again my congratulations so much by this work as for all the ones that you do for the "Civ World" :D

@All

Thanks a lot by your patience. :crazyeye: :mischief: :lol:

Carloquillo
May 10, 2006, 11:07 AM
Other two examples of Etruscan alphabet.

http://www.carloquillo.com/f1/etrus1.gif

http://www.carloquillo.com/f1/etrus2.gif

CivArmy s. 1994
Jun 04, 2006, 11:58 AM
@CivArmy

Excuse me for this long post in your thread, but I considered necessary to do these explanations. With the excuses receive again my congratulations so much by this work as for all the ones that you do for the "Civ World" :D

@All

Thanks a lot by your patience. :crazyeye: :mischief: :lol:


not problem friend.
and congrats about the knowlegdment about the Etruscan culture :goodjob:

Lili?uokalan
Feb 03, 2007, 08:36 AM
Yay! I'm so glad to see the Etruscans available for dowload. I was studying them in class and they're just plain A.W.E.S.O.M.E!! :cool: Also, if you want to add another leader, there is Tarquin/Tarquinus the Proud (who was the last Etruscan king of Rome before the latins took over Rome).