The last runoff election has resulted in a tie! Again, in accordance with various forms of law, another runoff election will now begin. This poll is between candidates Chieftess and Donovan Zoi, and will be open for four days. Information and debates between the two candidates may be found in the original Nomination Thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=149619), the original Election Thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=150533&page=3), as well as the last runoff Election. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=151960)

As a reminder (summary thanks to Alphawolf): The Secretary of War is a member of the Triumvirate. The Secretary of War shall have control of all military land units with the exception of garrisons under the control of Governors and units assigned to settlers, all air units, and in charge of military planning.

Let's start things off with a question for our candidates - We're getting ready to start our game. Given that our early reserach could have a great impact on our game, especially when we consider what technology we might need for strong new units, what sort of early research path would you suggest?

More specifically, under what circumstances would you call for researching military technology? What circumstances would allow for non-military research?

Four days again? I don't think that's necessary. Three should be enough - and two for the next one if tie again.

Come on, Octavian! :eek:

What's with the 4-day polls!!? The original elections weren't that long!

what if it ties again?

what if it ties again?
another runoff

what if it ties again?

It probably won't. I have a feeling I may have alienated some of my former supporters by demanding that we treat the Triumvirate rulleset as our current law, regardless of the mod poll. Then again, maybe I picked up supporters along the way.

Let's just hope it's not the same amount. :D

Runoff elections are traditionally 2 days. If Octavian X and the candidates agree, let's have a moderator change the ending date.

Runoff elections are traditionally 2 days. If Octavian X and the candidates agree, let's have a moderator change the ending date.

I second this idea.

DZ's out to an early lead. Will he keep it?

Given that it looks as though things aren't going anywhere for the time being, I figured it didn't matter how long the poll was open. How about this - the poll will close 24 hours after the announcment of a creation day chat (assuming both candidates agree now to the early closure).

There is going to be no tie this time, Heh heh heh

Don't be so sure. I have also changed my vote due to the way one person has handled the current situation.

Given that it looks as though things aren't going anywhere for the time being, I figured it didn't matter how long the poll was open. How about this - the poll will close 24 hours after the announcment of a creation day chat (assuming both candidates agree now to the early closure).

That would be illegal, as the candidates would not be the only one affected by an early closing, but practically every citizen. A closing date *must* by specified in advance in the initial post, you cannot suddenly close an election.

And I disagree that things aren't going anyway. I have pretty much the contrary impression. Things are going on on many fronts, and a chain of events can happen very soon to kick off the game. This election, however, could need yet one or several re-runs.

Let's leave it at four days. No sense stirring things up more than they already are. Besides, we can get a few Cage Match turns in. :D

George OP, what do you mean in your post?! I don't understand, why would you change your vote for the Secretary of War( a military matter) because said person is not aligned with your views on a no pertaining issue? But then again handling situitions extremly well is not something people want in a leader.:mischief:

George OP, what do you mean in your post?! I don't understand, why would you change your vote for the Secretary of War( a military matter) because said person is not aligned with your views on a no pertaining issue? But then again handling situitions extremly well is not something people want in a leader.:mischief:

You're misreading him. I think he changed his vote in *favour* of someone because that person's handling of the current situation has *impressed* him. Not the other way around.

I'm sticking with Donovan Zoi.

:eek: Wow; Chieftess: 5 - Donovan Zoi 18. Doesn't look like a TIE this time.

Let's leave it at four days. No sense stirring things up more than they already are. Besides, we can get a few Cage Match turns in. :D

Trying to slip a few subtle hints around? ;)

I'm sticking with Donovan Zoi.

:eek: Wow; Chieftess: 5 - Donovan Zoi 18. Doesn't look like a TIE this time.

Don't say there's cheating again!:eek: Not that I'm accusing anyone, but it was a tie in the last election.

Perhaps all of Chieftess' supporters live in -x GMT time zones, and haven't awaken to vote yet... ;)

Now that there is a "user group" controlling the ability to vote, it's pretty unlikely that we'll see any more significant DL activity. The smart thing to do would be to scan each new request for membership in the group for duplicates to existing group members.

Now that there is a "user group" controlling the ability to vote, it's pretty unlikely that we'll see any more significant DL activity. The smart thing to do would be to scan each new request for membership in the group for duplicates to existing group members.

But how can the mods check if a member is a duplicate?

But how can the mods check if a member is a duplicate?We have our methods, let's leave it at that.
Don't say there's cheating again!:eek: Not that I'm accusing anyone, but it was a tie in the last election.No way. There is no cheating in this one. The membership-groups take care of that.

It wouldn't surprise me if several people changed votes this time for one reason or another. The new results may very well just be a result of that kind of phenomena. I know that I changed my vote from the previous poll in part becuase both candidates are so qualified that I am confident in whoever eventually wins out.

We have our methods, let's leave it at that.

Methodes developed by the NSA's counter-intelligence department to track and profile unknown identities. :lol:

Perhaps all of Chieftess' supporters live in -x GMT time zones, and haven't awaken to vote yet... ;)

Very true, I just woke up and voted! ;) Actually I'm lying - its 7:45 pm my time - however this is the first time I've checked.

I'm sure we will be fine regardless of who wins; Chieftess and DZ are both well qualified and either would make a great Sec. of War.

Now, dear Censor, as the Tri vs. Flex poll is coming to an end and the decision in Judiciary Review case JR1 is closing up, do you see how this 4-day election is dragging things on?

So "things aren't going anywhere for the time being" has turned out to be completely wrong, after all. :D

Blkbird got it right. I changed the person I voted for because I respected how someone acted in the situation. I didn't change my vote because I didn't like the other person's actions or views, I was just overly impressed by the first person's. I don't want to say more and reveal who I voted for at this time. Sorry I wasn't more clear the first time, it was kind of late for me when I wrote that.

Wow, big lead. :eek: I think this is how the Strider/Donsig election ended.

Wow, big lead. :eek: I think this is how the Strider/Donsig election ended.

I am not taking anything for granted, CT. ;) These elections have been pretty streaky, so I am just going to wait it out.

How many times did we trade the lead in the last runoff --- six times? :lol:

You after all this the winner should give us a nice war to watch.

*Assuming we ever start playing.*

this has probably already been asked but what are we doing about the posistion of president?

this has probably already been asked but what are we doing about the posistion of president?
It might surprise you, but Alphawolf was elected fairly (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=151795). I think the normal "office-holder-absence" rule should apply.
Don't know what that is, but the Censor will (should) know.

It might surprise you, but Alphawolf was elected fairly (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=151795). I think the normal "office-holder-absence" rule should apply.
Don't know what that is, but the Censor will (should) know.
That will depend on the Judicial Review that's currently in progress. If the Triumverate ratification is upheld, there is no replacement. The Secretary of State takes over the duties of the President.

-- Ravensfire

Well now that the JR has finished I assume that we need to start a petion of absence to have the powers of the President transfered to the Sec. of State.

And a very tentative congrats to DZ for what looks like a very healthy lead.

Well now that the JR has finished I assume that we need to start a petion of absence to have the powers of the President transfered to the Sec. of State.
Already under way - see the Judicial thread!

-- Ravensfire, Public Defender

Three and a half hours till we finally have a 2nd member of the Biumvirate. Woo Hoo

Congrats to DZ. :) Hopefully this brings us one crucial step closer to getting things going.

Congrats. I don't think this game can take much more excitement...

And, Bengeance, your sig is too long.

As Censor of the Citzen's Assembly, I hereby certify that Donovan Zoi is the winner of this election! He shall serve the remainder of the current term as Secretary of War.