Shillen
Jan 09, 2006, 06:36 PM
Here is a walk-through of my recent emperor milk session resulting in 246,641 points.
Game Setup
Leader: Julius Caesar - I always use him as he can knock out the AI's quickly with the praetorians and still keep his economy in control via the organized trait. He also gets cheap granaries, lighthouses and courthouses which are all important in a milked game.
Opponents: Isabella, Gandhi, Peter, Mao Zedong - Gandhi is usually a quick researcher/wonder builder but he skimps on military which will be to my advantage. Mao and Isabella expand and research slowly. Peter is just generally weak in my experience.
Map type: Balanced - This is a pangaea map that ensures that you have all the strategic resources close to your capital (within 12 tiles or something like that). This way I always have iron available right away.
Map size: Standard - I wanted to test if a larger map scored higher than a smaller map and I found that they do. My duel map on emperor with very similar settings only scored 171,000.
Climate: Tropical - For maximum food.
Sea Level: Medium - I'm still not sure what's best for this setting for a milked game.
Game speed: Epic - Marathon would be better I guess, but it's just too painfully slow for my tastes. The slower the speed the easier it is to conquer the AI's as they research slower. Also, making a mistake is usually less costly on epic because each turn isn't quite as important. For instance if you start researching one tech but change your mind to research a different tech. With normal speed that decision would cost you more than with epic speed.
No barbarians - Trust me you don't want to have to deal with barbarians during a milking session.
No cheating - Required setting.
My starting location:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/Shillen_SEM_start.JPG
The reasons I liked this starting location:
1) 3 food bonuses to work for the capital. I'll take that any day. Along with the flat lands this city can be a research powerhouse.
2) An early source of happiness with the furs. Happiness is always a problem pre-calendar. The fur tile is also a great source of early commerce that can be used to get iron working more quickly.
3) Lots of forests to chop. Once iron working is learned praetorians must be chopped out rapidly so you can start taking out the AI's before they expand too much or research too far.
I started a worker first as I always do and research set to bronze working to chop a few forests and get my early cities set up. My warrior was sent on a hut popping mission and also to find all the other civs. I want to know exactly where to go when I have my praetorians. From huts I received 40 gold, 33 gold, and Mysticism. (Interesting looking at my log it says I received a scout from a hut at 4000BC but I never did receive it.) I'm not sure my build order as I'm surprisingly lacking in early saves for this game. But I built two workers right away and improved the sheep/corn/wheat. With 3 great food/production tiles London was able to dish out two settlers pretty quickly. I built my first city near the copper/sheep/corn to the west in 1550BC and my second city near the horses/wines/flood plain to the southwest in 1175BC.
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/Shillen_SEM_3cities.JPG
My early research:
3560BC - Mysticism (popped from hut)
3120BC - Bronze Working
2800BC - Hunting (hook up furs, leads to animal husbandry)
2080BC - Animal Husbandry (sheep)
1850BC - Agriculture (corn/wheat)
1250BC - Iron Working
1075BC - The Wheel
900BC - Pottery (keeping commerce up is important as early warmongering destroys your economy)
720BC - Writing (libraries)
180BC - Alphabet (trade and extort techs)
Traded for a bunch of techs here which aren't in the log unfortunately, but basically just trying to get all the techs I can so I don't have to research them on my own later.
After learning Iron Working I found iron in workable range of Rome, as you can see in the above screenshot. After connecting it I started chopping out praetorians as fast as I could. Antium and Cumae both built obelisks and barracks before starting on praetorians themselves. In 580BC Gandhi's Buddhism spread to Rome and I converted for +1 happiness. By 540BC I had 9 praetorians. I also knew where all my opponents were at this point.
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/Shillen_SEM_enemies.JPG
(Sorry for the image quality, I only have Paint to edit with.)
Gandhi was my first target. As I was moving my troops towards Gandhi's lands I ran into his settler escorted by an archer. I took that opportunity to declare war and capture his settler.
Indian War:
540BC - War Declared
460BC - Bangalore razed
420BC - Calcutta razed
280BC - Delhi captured
200BC - Madras captured
180BC - Bombay razed and Indians destroyed
My philosophy was that I didn't want to keep every city I captured as that leads to Moonsinger's situation of running -500gpt. I only kept cities I thought would be valuable. Delhi was of course a powerful city and Madras had 2 fish and clams so it could be a decent GP factory and of course high food is always great. These cities also had my state religion which was a bonus.
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/Shillen_SEM_exindia.JPG
During the end of the Indian war I knew I had enough units down there to finish him off and started stacking up troops outside Mao's borders to the west.
First Chinese War:
120BC - War Declared
100BC - Shanghai captured
80AD - Xian razed
100AD - Beijing captured
120AD - Nanjing razed
180AD - Peace with China. I injured him badly enough and had to get to Peter before he got too big for me. He would never speak to me again the rest of the game. I think I razed his holy city...oops.
Beijing was kept mainly because it was a capital with improvements around it. Shanghai had lots of villages around it so it could pay for itself easily.
China remains:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/Shillen_SEM_exchina.JPG
Meanwhile I was also fighting Isabella with ex-Indian troops and also some more that Delhi built.
First Spanish War:
120AD - War Declared
140AD - Seville razed
240AD - Toledo captured
250AD - Salamanca razed
280AD - Madrid captured
300AD - Santiago razed
350AD - Barcelona razed
360AD - Cordoba razed
400AD - Murcia razed
400AD - Peace with Spain for Monarchy and Monotheism and some gold.
Toledo had dyes and gold for happiness and decent land. It was also centered on the continent so a good Forbidden Palace location. Madrid had ivory and nice land.
What's left of the Spanish jungle empire:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/Shillen_SEM_exspain.JPG
She just kept settling more cities as I was taking her out. It was quite annoying. She was down to her last city and I wanted to keep her around and I also wanted to focus all my attention on Peter.
My economy was definitely starting to hurt at this point.
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/Shillen_SEM_economy_400AD.JPG
I switched all cities to emphasize commerce and had built a lot of cottages already. I stopped building military units altogether in the early AD's and focused on markets and other buildings. But there was light at the end of the tunnel. Code of laws was learned in 430AD and most cities started building courthouses after it was learned. I also switched to caste system so I could generate some leaders.
To be continued...
Game Setup
Leader: Julius Caesar - I always use him as he can knock out the AI's quickly with the praetorians and still keep his economy in control via the organized trait. He also gets cheap granaries, lighthouses and courthouses which are all important in a milked game.
Opponents: Isabella, Gandhi, Peter, Mao Zedong - Gandhi is usually a quick researcher/wonder builder but he skimps on military which will be to my advantage. Mao and Isabella expand and research slowly. Peter is just generally weak in my experience.
Map type: Balanced - This is a pangaea map that ensures that you have all the strategic resources close to your capital (within 12 tiles or something like that). This way I always have iron available right away.
Map size: Standard - I wanted to test if a larger map scored higher than a smaller map and I found that they do. My duel map on emperor with very similar settings only scored 171,000.
Climate: Tropical - For maximum food.
Sea Level: Medium - I'm still not sure what's best for this setting for a milked game.
Game speed: Epic - Marathon would be better I guess, but it's just too painfully slow for my tastes. The slower the speed the easier it is to conquer the AI's as they research slower. Also, making a mistake is usually less costly on epic because each turn isn't quite as important. For instance if you start researching one tech but change your mind to research a different tech. With normal speed that decision would cost you more than with epic speed.
No barbarians - Trust me you don't want to have to deal with barbarians during a milking session.
No cheating - Required setting.
My starting location:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/Shillen_SEM_start.JPG
The reasons I liked this starting location:
1) 3 food bonuses to work for the capital. I'll take that any day. Along with the flat lands this city can be a research powerhouse.
2) An early source of happiness with the furs. Happiness is always a problem pre-calendar. The fur tile is also a great source of early commerce that can be used to get iron working more quickly.
3) Lots of forests to chop. Once iron working is learned praetorians must be chopped out rapidly so you can start taking out the AI's before they expand too much or research too far.
I started a worker first as I always do and research set to bronze working to chop a few forests and get my early cities set up. My warrior was sent on a hut popping mission and also to find all the other civs. I want to know exactly where to go when I have my praetorians. From huts I received 40 gold, 33 gold, and Mysticism. (Interesting looking at my log it says I received a scout from a hut at 4000BC but I never did receive it.) I'm not sure my build order as I'm surprisingly lacking in early saves for this game. But I built two workers right away and improved the sheep/corn/wheat. With 3 great food/production tiles London was able to dish out two settlers pretty quickly. I built my first city near the copper/sheep/corn to the west in 1550BC and my second city near the horses/wines/flood plain to the southwest in 1175BC.
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/Shillen_SEM_3cities.JPG
My early research:
3560BC - Mysticism (popped from hut)
3120BC - Bronze Working
2800BC - Hunting (hook up furs, leads to animal husbandry)
2080BC - Animal Husbandry (sheep)
1850BC - Agriculture (corn/wheat)
1250BC - Iron Working
1075BC - The Wheel
900BC - Pottery (keeping commerce up is important as early warmongering destroys your economy)
720BC - Writing (libraries)
180BC - Alphabet (trade and extort techs)
Traded for a bunch of techs here which aren't in the log unfortunately, but basically just trying to get all the techs I can so I don't have to research them on my own later.
After learning Iron Working I found iron in workable range of Rome, as you can see in the above screenshot. After connecting it I started chopping out praetorians as fast as I could. Antium and Cumae both built obelisks and barracks before starting on praetorians themselves. In 580BC Gandhi's Buddhism spread to Rome and I converted for +1 happiness. By 540BC I had 9 praetorians. I also knew where all my opponents were at this point.
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/Shillen_SEM_enemies.JPG
(Sorry for the image quality, I only have Paint to edit with.)
Gandhi was my first target. As I was moving my troops towards Gandhi's lands I ran into his settler escorted by an archer. I took that opportunity to declare war and capture his settler.
Indian War:
540BC - War Declared
460BC - Bangalore razed
420BC - Calcutta razed
280BC - Delhi captured
200BC - Madras captured
180BC - Bombay razed and Indians destroyed
My philosophy was that I didn't want to keep every city I captured as that leads to Moonsinger's situation of running -500gpt. I only kept cities I thought would be valuable. Delhi was of course a powerful city and Madras had 2 fish and clams so it could be a decent GP factory and of course high food is always great. These cities also had my state religion which was a bonus.
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/Shillen_SEM_exindia.JPG
During the end of the Indian war I knew I had enough units down there to finish him off and started stacking up troops outside Mao's borders to the west.
First Chinese War:
120BC - War Declared
100BC - Shanghai captured
80AD - Xian razed
100AD - Beijing captured
120AD - Nanjing razed
180AD - Peace with China. I injured him badly enough and had to get to Peter before he got too big for me. He would never speak to me again the rest of the game. I think I razed his holy city...oops.
Beijing was kept mainly because it was a capital with improvements around it. Shanghai had lots of villages around it so it could pay for itself easily.
China remains:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/Shillen_SEM_exchina.JPG
Meanwhile I was also fighting Isabella with ex-Indian troops and also some more that Delhi built.
First Spanish War:
120AD - War Declared
140AD - Seville razed
240AD - Toledo captured
250AD - Salamanca razed
280AD - Madrid captured
300AD - Santiago razed
350AD - Barcelona razed
360AD - Cordoba razed
400AD - Murcia razed
400AD - Peace with Spain for Monarchy and Monotheism and some gold.
Toledo had dyes and gold for happiness and decent land. It was also centered on the continent so a good Forbidden Palace location. Madrid had ivory and nice land.
What's left of the Spanish jungle empire:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/Shillen_SEM_exspain.JPG
She just kept settling more cities as I was taking her out. It was quite annoying. She was down to her last city and I wanted to keep her around and I also wanted to focus all my attention on Peter.
My economy was definitely starting to hurt at this point.
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/Shillen_SEM_economy_400AD.JPG
I switched all cities to emphasize commerce and had built a lot of cottages already. I stopped building military units altogether in the early AD's and focused on markets and other buildings. But there was light at the end of the tunnel. Code of laws was learned in 430AD and most cities started building courthouses after it was learned. I also switched to caste system so I could generate some leaders.
To be continued...