View Full Version : new civilization: Catalonia
zeysoft Jan 16, 2006, 05:11 PM NEW VERSION: 3.1
For more information: new thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=159754)
This mod use text to Wikipedia:
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almogávar
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cataluña
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaime_I
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lluís_Companys
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesc_Macià
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_III_de_Aragón
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almogavars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Catalonia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_I_of_Aragon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lluís_Companys_i_Jover
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesc_Macià_i_Llussà
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_III_of_Aragon
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almogavre
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalogne
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Ier_d%27Aragon
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_III_d'Aragon
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katalonien
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lluís_Companys_i_Jover
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_III._(Aragón)
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalogna
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pietro_III_di_Aragona
and image created to civ_army_1994
http://www.geocities.com/civ_army_1994/
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LAnkou Jan 16, 2006, 09:48 PM it would have been nice if you say more about your work
in general, you say:
name of the civ
leaders (traits, favorite civic, original LH or not)
UU: Inspiring unit, change (for example: condottiere, Knight +10% city attack)
flag
you may also write the city list
and above all, it's very nice to have some screenshot
I hope it is good, but as you describe it, i don't want to try it...please, make an effort.
thanks by advance
zeysoft Jan 17, 2006, 10:38 AM New thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=159754)
Version 1
Civilization name: Catalan Empire
Leader: Jaume I (Aggressive, Industrious)
Favorite civic: Hereditary rule
Unique unit: Catalan Swordsman
Strength: 8
Movement: 2
Cost: 30
+10% city Strength
upgrades to Maceman
remplace swordman
Cities:
Barcelona, València, Tarragona, Palma, Alicant, Girona, Perpinyà, Lleida, Castelló de la Plana, l'Alguer, Salt, Martorell, Alcoi, Reus, Manresa, Terrassa, Sant Feliu de Llobregat, Sant Feliu de Guixols, Puigcerdà, Ripoll, Berga, Andorra, Sitges, l'Hopitalet de Llobregat, Tortosa, Amposta, la Seu d'Urgell, Figueres, Banyoles, Olot, Mataró, Balaguer
Download
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anjf Jan 17, 2006, 12:16 PM Looks cool, but has that uu been reskind or is it just the standard swordman-look?
Shqype Jan 17, 2006, 01:34 PM Whoa! That UU is WAY overpowered!
The Roman UU has 8 strength, 1 movement, and costs 45 shields. Yours has 8 strength, 2 movement, and costs 30 shields! That is a huge benefit and advantage.. It definitely needs to be toned down!
fung3 Jan 19, 2006, 06:38 AM Whoa! That UU is WAY overpowered!
The Roman UU has 8 strength, 1 movement, and costs 45 shields. Yours has 8 strength, 2 movement, and costs 30 shields! That is a huge benefit and advantage.. It definitely needs to be toned down!
I agree, the Roman Praetorian is somewhat overpowered, but this guy is too much. What's more it is the UU for an aggressive civ. Tooooo strong dude !!
zeysoft Jan 19, 2006, 08:08 AM New thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=159754)
I prepare a new version of Catalunya. I hope that at the end of this week, it finish.
Thanks.
anjf: UU is just the standard swordman-look
zeysoft Jan 20, 2006, 05:37 PM New thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=159754)
Version 2
Civilization name: Catalan Empire
Changes
Leader
Name: James I of Aragon
UU
Name: Almogavar
Movement: 1
Cost: 45
New skin for UU
Download
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Link (german): http://www.civforum.de/showthread.php?t=30827
Completed information
Leader: James I of Aragon (Aggressive, Industrious)
Favorite civic: Hereditary rule
UU: Almogavar (new skin)
Strength: 8
Movement: 1
Cost: 45
+10% city Strength
upgrades to Maceman
remplace swordman
Cities:
Barcelona, València, Tarragona, Palma, Alicant, Girona, Perpinyà, Lleida, Castelló de la Plana, l'Alguer, Salt, Martorell, Alcoi, Reus, Manresa, Terrassa, Sant Feliu de Llobregat, Sant Feliu de Guixols, Puigcerdà, Ripoll, Berga, Andorra, Sitges, l'Hopitalet de Llobregat, Tortosa, Amposta, la Seu d'Urgell, Figueres, Banyoles, Olot, Mataró, Balaguer
Download
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Screenshots:
113144 113145
Kale Borroka Jan 20, 2006, 09:26 PM Catalan Swordsman? I think a CNT militiaman would be a better UU, but I am somewhat partial. :)
zeysoft Jan 26, 2006, 06:26 PM New thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=159754)
Catalan Swordsman? I think a CNT militiaman would be a better UU, but I am somewhat partial.
First: new name of Catalan Swordsman (in version 2) is Almogavars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almogavars)
Second: I think that Almogavars is a better UU because in fifteenth century Catalonia controlled: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Catalonia) Sicily, Napols, Sardinia... (Conquered with Almogavars)
Kale Borroka Jan 26, 2006, 09:55 PM I suppose they would work better for a Catalonian Empire then! :-) Carry on. Looks great.
Valencian Jan 27, 2006, 08:37 AM Hey, I have registered just to thank you the creation of the Catalan civilization, and to check two bugs : In city names you have put "Alicant" well, the real name is alacant , and there is no flag, if is difficult to put a "senyera", you can use the english one :goodjob:
ancestral Jan 27, 2006, 09:52 AM Coming along nicely.
One thing to make sure is since it's one unit, it should really be Almogavar (no s) so as to retain consistency with the naming of other units.
Secondly, I think you're onto the right stats, but it's still much too cheap. It appears they were just as powerful as the Roman legionnaires, if not more so, but they were hired mercenaries pretty much, and it's later in time vs. the legionnaires, so you have to account for modest game inflation (Almogavars were around the 12th and 13th centuries).
If they weren't mounted (it appears not) they should have a movement of 1, so maybe 8/1/70, much like the Samurai, with a few abilities, given that this will probably come much later in time (Guilds?), and an upgrade path to Rifleman.
ancestral Jan 27, 2006, 10:05 AM And what about Peter III of Aragon? I'd think he would make for a good leader of Catalonia. That was late 13th century, an exciting time. (If you're ever played Castles II: Siege and Conquest, you'd know exactly what I'm talking about.)
Hmm, might work for a good scenario…
Valencian Jan 27, 2006, 12:07 PM Well, maybe Almogàver needs to be more expensive, and i don't know if it's because i played the first version, but they havn't the +10% vs city.
And I agree that Pere III was a great leader, but if he has to add a second leader, I prefer Francesc Macià, more actual, so we can play play with leaders of two diferents eras. And maybe he could have the "Aggressive, Industrious" and let Jaume with "Expansive, Industrious" because the most important thing he did (the conquest of València and the islands) is more an expansive that an agressive fact
zeysoft Jan 27, 2006, 06:14 PM New thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=159754)
I'm prepare new version: it will included three new leaders: Francesc Macià, Lluís Companys and Peter III of Aragon (Pere III).
I'm correct two bugs:
Originally Posted by Valencian
In city names yo have put "Alicant" whell, the real name is alacant , and there is no flag, if is difficult to put a "senyera", you can use the english one :thanx: Valencian
I hope that for following Monday he is ready
Lord Samuel Jan 28, 2006, 12:12 AM How about Manuel from Fawlty Towers as leader and Samuel Eto'o or Carlos Puyol as UU!
zeysoft Jan 29, 2006, 05:51 PM New thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=159754)
Version 2.5
Civilization name: Catalan Empire
Changes
Leaders
Leader 1: James I of Aragon (Expansive, Industrious, Hereditary rule)
Leader 2: Peter III of Aragon (Philosiphical, Expansive, Hereditary rule)
Leader 3: Lluís Companys Joder (Industrious, Organized, UniversalSuffrage)
Leader 4: Francesc Macià Llussà (Aggressive, Industrious, Universal Suffrage)
Corrected two bugs:
Name of Alicant --> Alacant
Flag --> New flag is English Flag
UU: Almogavar
Cost: 80
+10% city Attack
+20% vs. Melee Units
Stars with Combat I
upgrades to Rifleman or Grenadier
remplace Maceman
Download
Download Catalonia 3.1 (http://files.filefront.com/Catalunya_31zip/;4774086;;/fileinfo.html)
Download Catalonia 3.1 for Superciv 1.05 (http://files.filefront.com/Catalunya_31_for_SuperCiv_105zip/;4774100;;/fileinfo.html)
Download Catalonia 3.1 for Sevomod 2.21 (http://files.filefront.com/Catalunya_31_for_Sevomod_221zip/;4774101;;/fileinfo.html)
Link (german): http://www.civforum.de/showthread.php?t=30827
Completed information
Leader 1: James I of Aragon (Expansive, Industrious, Hereditary rule)
Leader 2: Peter III of Aragon (Philosiphical, Expansive, Hereditary rule)
Leader 3: Lluís Companys Joder (Industrious, Organized, Universal Suffrage)
Leader 4: Francesc Macià Llussà (Aggressive, Industrious, Universal Suffrage)
Color: Dark Yellow
UU: Almogavar
Strength: 8
Movement: 1
Cost: 80
+10% city Attack
+20% vs. Melee Units
Stars with Combat I
upgrades to Rifleman or Grenadier
remplace Maceman
Cities:
Barcelona, València, Tarragona, Palma, Alacant, Girona, Perpinyà, Lleida, Castelló de la Plana, l'Alguer, Salt, Martorell, Alcoi, Reus, Manresa, Terrassa, Sant Feliu de Llobregat, Sant Feliu de Guixols, Puigcerdà, Ripoll, Berga, Andorra, Sitges, l'Hopitalet de Llobregat, Tortosa, Amposta, la Seu d'Urgell, Figueres, Banyoles, Olot, Mataró, Balaguer
Download
Download Catalonia 3.1 (http://files.filefront.com/Catalunya_31zip/;4774086;;/fileinfo.html)
Download Catalonia 3.1 for Superciv 1.05 (http://files.filefront.com/Catalunya_31_for_SuperCiv_105zip/;4774100;;/fileinfo.html)
Download Catalonia 3.1 for Sevomod 2.21 (http://files.filefront.com/Catalunya_31_for_Sevomod_221zip/;4774101;;/fileinfo.html)
Screenshots of new leaders:
Valencian Jan 30, 2006, 08:46 AM Great... but caution, you changed the second surname of Companys ... with a fun result. As I can see on the screenshot in the game it's ok. Thank You!
zeysoft Jan 30, 2006, 10:28 AM New thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=159754)
Sorry Valencian, but the correct second surname of Companys is Jover (http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lluís_Companys_i_Jover)
Lucius Sulla Jan 31, 2006, 01:47 AM Hi, I agree that the Almogavers should replace the maceman rather than the swordsman. After all it was a medieval infantry, not the classical one.
But, I don't agree that much with the bonuses. I don't think they fit the correct theme for theme. Let's examine what the Almogavers really were (not that the official units follow that kind of thing that much, but oh well... let's try in a mod).
First of all, Almogavers were lightly armoured infantry, that based their tactics in a combination of shock and guerrilla (their usual choice of weapons were short swords and javelins), that had a high morale and that they were specially letal against cavalry, as shown against the turks in the Anatolian campaigns, but also against French or Frankish knights in the campaigns of Sicily and then in the fights against the Byzantines and the frankish duchies of Greece.
So... possibilities are... excellent morale (starting with Combat I), shock tactics and good use of projectile weapons (initative attack), and very good against medieval cavalry (that would be knights). So, how about:
UU: Almogavar
Cost: 80
From the standard Macemen:
adds Possibility of 1 initiative attack
adds +50% against cavalry
adds Combat I
By the way, and this is only related, but I have to say it.. why the heck does the middle ages units upgrade directly to industrial units such as Rifleman and Grenadier? I never understood why they don't upgrade to musketman, which is what really happened.
And now, my own suggestions for the middle ages leaders (I find more appropiate not translating the names):
Leader 1: Jaume (James) I (Agressive, Financial, Hereditary rule)
Why the trait? I don't remember great public works in the history of Jaume I, nor any significant growth in demographics or agriculture or any otherwise non-belicist expansion (after all Expansive is rather related to granaries and docks, rather than militar expansion). So, I thought agressive is rather more appropiate (he is Jaume I 'the Conqueror' after all). Why financial? Jaume I, after the death of his father Pere II at the battle of Muret was hold hostage by the crusaders of southern france, and was educated by the templar knights. Knights who had a great and advanced network of the first actual banks of europe, and that constitued a tight economic net. When Jaume I reigned he did provide good cover to the templar chapterhouse, who helped him manage well and finance his campaigns.
Leader 2: Pere (Peter) III (Philosophical, Expansive, Mercantilism)
With Pere III, I have just varied the preferred civic. He was a far more feudal lord than his lord father, Jaume, and he actually inherited Sicily, even when he had to fight for it against the French. Still, a good deal of his effort was to consolidate and assert the catalan domain over Western Mediterranean, and to enforce the trade of the ports of Barcelona and Valencia, thus I thought an economic civic, being as it was one of the great forces behind his policies, was recommended. And since he actually favoured the products of his homeland, Mercantilism was recommended.
Expansive thus is also a good trait, specially since he did stablish a golden age of economic but also demographic growth for the crown of Aragon. Philosophical I am not that sure... there were indeed a nice number of chronists and writers in his reign, but I am not sure if that would be significative enough. Anyway, since I can't think of a more appropiate one, I will not complain :D.
Leader 3: Alfons II (Philosophical, Agressive, Vassalage)
This is the grandfather of Jaume I, and the first Catalan king of Aragon (his actual christian name, and this is not a too well known fact, was 'Ramón Berenguer', but he did switch it to please his new aragonese subjects). Here the Philosophical trait really shines, since Alfons was known as 'the trovadour'. Under his rule a good deal of artists, theologicians and philosophers gathered in his courts. He was a good friend of Richard I the Lionhearted (not *that* kind of friend mind you, despite Richard's tendencies :P :D), and supported many of the most famous occitan poets of the time. Thus, philosophical is truly supported. His other face was the crusading one, and he did achieve a lot of conquests and got new territories for his crown. Expansive would be also a good choice, since he did inherit a great deal of territories north of the Pyrinees (a pity his son Peter lost nearly all of them), but we already have a phi/exp leader.
I finally chose vassalage because that shows his rather more reliance over the feudal system, rather than the more absolute monarchy that the hereditary rule civic seems to represent more.
Valencian Jan 31, 2006, 07:45 AM yes Zeysoft, I know... i meant on your post :goodjob:
And Lucius ... Chapeau! :worship: you argumented the traits really good.
Kimbal Feb 01, 2006, 04:18 PM Double Post, please delete
Kimbal Feb 01, 2006, 04:23 PM First of all, great job on creating this new civil.
A few notes.
The name of the unique unit is "Almogàver" with an e and not an e, the a is the spanish translation of the name.
Second, I do not agree 100% with the order of the cities, Hospitalet is almost a part of Barcelona, and Valencia & Palma should come in later, you also left the main cities of the other islands.
Here there is a quite acurate map "http://personal.auna.com/1277509/mapaplc-com.html"
Barcelona, Girona, Tarragona, Palma de Mallorca, València, Maó, Eïvissa, Lleida, Perpinyà, l'Alguer, Viella, Vic, Figueres, Martorell, Reus, Manresa, Terrassa, Sant Feliu de Llobregat, Balaguer, Puigcerdà, Ripoll, Berga, Andorra la Vella, Tortosa, Amposta, la Seu d'Urgell, Igualada, Banyoles, Olot, Balaguer, Alacant, Granollers, Sabadell, Alcoi, Sant Pau de Fenollet, Benavarri, Morella, Gandia, Pollença, Solsona, Tremp, Puigcerdà, Sort, Ceret, Vinaròs, Sagunt, Santa Coloma de Farners, Prada, Falset, Alzira
About the UU, the "combat I" promotion is useless if 2/3 of the leaders are Aggressive, which would give him the promotion anyway.
We know they were a very fast unit, so why not make them:
UU: Almogavar
Cost: 80
From the standard Macemen:
adds +50% against cavalry
adds Commando
Also the name is wrong:
It should not be the spanish translation "catalan", I think "Catalonia" or "Països Catalans" ar far better choices
Edit: Sorry for the double post
zeysoft Feb 01, 2006, 04:43 PM New thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=159754)
:thanx: Kimbal and Lucius Sulla, I will consider your opinions in the next version
Kimbal Feb 04, 2006, 11:24 PM Thanks, I can't wait for the next version
Lucius Sulla Feb 09, 2006, 01:35 AM About the name, if all the other civs' names are translated to English, then this should be the same case. In English, the name of the country should be Catalonia, and the genitive adjective, thus, should be Catalan (as in 'Catalan Empire' as with the rest of the names in the civ selection screen).
Metacomet Feb 17, 2006, 12:54 PM As a catalonian countryboy living in the suburbian america I'm so glad that now I can play with "my civilization" :D :king: .
Just one thing in the list city I will include Vilafranca del Penedes, because was an important catalonian city in the Middle Ages, and because I was born there too;)
I hope to see an scenario soon
zeysoft Feb 17, 2006, 06:14 PM New version: 3.1 for more information new thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=159754)
@Metacomet, prenc nota, inclouré Vilafranca del Penedès a la pròxima versió
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