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Znabel15
Jan 27, 2006, 02:54 PM
Just wondering: Am I the only one here who have played Civ1 on my Amiga?

Yarmoss
Jan 27, 2006, 03:47 PM
I did too. Amiga 500 all the way. Then I switched to Colonization on my Amiga 1200. Those were the days *sigh*.

biratets
Jan 27, 2006, 04:02 PM
Nope, I had Amiga + Civilization back in the golden days ;)

Willem
Jan 27, 2006, 04:04 PM
Me too. Started out playing it on the Commodore 64 though. Yes I'm old. :D

Magic Cat
Jan 27, 2006, 05:15 PM
Yeah man. I played on Amgia - on floppies! took so long to load

Tavenier
Jan 27, 2006, 05:37 PM
Me too. 4 floppy's. Everytime you were contacted by a leader you had to switch floppy's three times just to say no to a ridiculous demand.
You had to switch floppy's all the time too for building your palace. I bought an external disk drive, so I could have 2 floppy's running at the same time, just for Civ. It costed me about 150 Euros what at the time was a fortune to me (I was 14). I bought it just for Civ.
I remember some time later I saw it at a friends house on his fathers PC (can't remember, but probably a 386, or something) and I saw it was at least 5 times faster there. So I started saving for a PC. Never got it then, because that was really way too expensive at that time, for such a young kid.

Znabel15
Jan 27, 2006, 05:45 PM
[QUOTE=Tavenier]You had to switch floppy's all the time too for building your palace. I bought an external disk drive, so I could have 2 floppy's running at the same time, just for Civ. It costed me about 150 Euros what at the time was a fortune to me (I was 14). I bought it just for Civ.
QUOTE]

Me too :lol: :lol:

Tavenier
Jan 27, 2006, 06:02 PM
And were you also 14? That would mean you, just like me, have been playing Civs for half my life now!

Quasimodo
Jan 27, 2006, 06:45 PM
Me too. Started out playing it on the Commodore 64 though. Yes I'm old. :D


I'm with you brother!

I was so excited when I upgraded from the Vic20 to c64.

biratets
Jan 27, 2006, 08:19 PM
Holy S!it! Civilization was compiled to C64! I do not believe this. Must've taken 2 hrs + good tape heads to load a map.

Just incredible! Whoa! When was civ released? I guess 1991? And you've (Willem) got a C64 version? That's antique! Please do us all a favor and copy the binary image to some modern media. That's really something!

Woody
Jan 27, 2006, 08:39 PM
Count me in as an Amiga Civ 1 player, I killed many hours that way.

Jimbo30
Jan 27, 2006, 10:02 PM
I'm with you brother!

I was so excited when I upgraded from the Vic20 to c64.

Civ on the C64? I'd have to see evidence to believe it considering it came on 4 disks on the Atari ST.

Willem
Jan 28, 2006, 01:27 AM
I was so excited when I upgraded from the Vic20 to c64.

Yeah, I can relate. I started out with a Viv 20 that my brother gave me. I was so happy when I got my 64. Now you have wristwatches with more processing power.

Willem
Jan 28, 2006, 01:30 AM
Holy S!it! Civilization was compiled to C64! I do not believe this. Must've taken 2 hrs + good tape heads to load a map.

Just incredible! Whoa! When was civ released? I guess 1991? And you've (Willem) got a C64 version? That's antique! Please do us all a favor and copy the binary image to some modern media. That's really something!

The 64 didn't use tape, it had a 5.25 inch diskdrive, or something like that. I don't remember how many disks were required. And no, I don't have them anymore, my 64 days are long behind me.

Willem
Jan 28, 2006, 01:37 AM
Civ on the C64? I'd have to see evidence to believe it considering it came on 4 disks on the Atari ST.

What's so hard to believe, the 64 used disks as well. But you'll have to take my word for it, since I don't have them anymore.

Lobox
Jan 28, 2006, 02:33 AM
I played Civ1 on the Amiga 500, a really nice computer btw.
I also had C64 but dont remember if I played Civ1 on that computer, never had floppy to my C64 so if Civ1 never came on tape...

nexus2000
Jan 28, 2006, 05:48 AM
The 64 didn't use tape, it had a 5.25 inch diskdrive, or something like that. I don't remember how many disks were required. And no, I don't have them anymore, my 64 days are long behind me.

The C64 did use tape. I can remember playing many games on this machine. Although I believe a disk drive was available as a seperate add on but I could never afford it. Seing as we are all talking about old computers I though I'd ask if anyone remembers the Sinclair Zx81? This was my first machine back in good old 1980!! yes monochrome display and a massive 1k Memory ahhh what a machine that was ;o) ... Yes I suppose that makes me old! Also had a sinclair Zx Spectrum 48k,( Think it was called a Timex 1000 in USA), Commodore 64, Sinclair QL, Amstrad CPC 6128, Atari ST,Amiga 500, 1200 I played the original Civ 1 on this machine and I remember having very little sleep whilst playing. I think I even fell asleep in school once because of this game!!

Elsewhere
Jan 28, 2006, 07:52 AM
IIRC, Civilization I was available for the C64, but in reduced form. I can't find any mention of it on the Net, though. And as far as the space requirements go, most of the space is taken up by graphics which would be downgraded for lesser computers.. the game code itself is pretty simple and nothing impossible to handle for the C64.

Btw, did you know that people are still doing stuff on old 8-bit computers? Things like realtime texture mapped 3d, raytracing and web surfing on the C64.. 8bit will never die ;)

sliganian
Jan 28, 2006, 07:54 AM
The C64 did use tape. I can remember playing many games on this machine. Although I believe a disk drive was available as a seperate add on but I could never afford it. Seing as we are all talking about old computers I though I'd ask if anyone remembers the Sinclair Zx81? This was my first machine back in good old 1980!! yes monochrome display and a massive 1k Memory ahhh what a machine that was ;o) ... Yes I suppose that makes me old! Also had a sinclair Zx Spectrum 48k,( Think it was called a Timex 1000 in USA), Commodore 64, Sinclair QL, Amstrad CPC 6128, Atari ST,Amiga 500, 1200 I played the original Civ 1 on this machine and I remember having very little sleep whilst playing. I think I even fell asleep in school once because of this game!!

Ah, history time

1) Timex Sinclair something or other. Had 2K of RAM on-board, and I bought the massive 3K 'expander' pack. The thing was a real P.O.S., and I took it back after 2 weeks.
2) Commodore 64. Got it when I was 12 (1982). Used it up until first year university (1989). Had the Datasette (tape) then the 5.25" floppy drive. A nice, nice machine that had good music (and graphics!) for games at least 10+ years ahead of 'PC's'. Oh, and my folks still have it boxed up in my old room at their house. Someday I plan to unpack it just to play 'Impossible Mission' and 'Beachhead II' again. ;)

3) 1990. Wintel time. 386, 1 MB RAM, 1 MB Video RAM (somehow). First machine I played Civ on.

4) 1998. Pentium III, 128 MB RAM, Win98. Civ II and Civ III (mostly 3).

5) 2005. Athlon 3200, 2.20 Ghz, 512 MB RAM, Civ IV.

blargh
Jan 28, 2006, 08:09 AM
I'm with you brother!

I was so excited when I upgraded from the Vic20 to c64.

Ooohh!! Did you get the tape drive too?

Smidlee
Jan 28, 2006, 08:32 AM
I'm pretty sure Civilization didn't come out for C-64 since if it did I would have bought it. At that time C-64 was dying out having less games made for it. IIRC I got married about the time Civ came out and couldn't afford buying a new PC. So I was stuck with my C-64 for many year in the 90's. I didn't get to play Civ until it came out on Super Nintendo. I play civ on Super Nintendo more than all the other games put together on this console.
I do remember playing a game like GalCiv on C-64 called "Reach for the Stars" though. I used to played that game a lot.

thordk
Jan 28, 2006, 09:33 AM
civ on amiga? i got myself a "brandnew" 386 for civ :D

oh, and the c64 had a tape drive. floppy drives were avaible pretty soon though. with an incredible space of 180 kb per side!

Willem
Jan 28, 2006, 10:13 AM
The C64 did use tape. I can remember playing many games on this machine. Although I believe a disk drive was available as a seperate add on but I could never afford it.

I stand corrected. By the time I got mine, tape drives were obsolete and disk drives were standard.

Seing as we are all talking about old computers I though I'd ask if anyone remembers the Sinclair Zx81?

Yes I remember, it was actually my first computer. However it was a gift from my brother and only lasted a week after I got it, so I don't really count it as such.

Znabel15
Jan 28, 2006, 10:15 AM
And were you also 14? That would mean you, just like me, have been playing Civs for half my life now!

Yes, I was 13 or 14 as far as I can remember...

Willem
Jan 28, 2006, 10:19 AM
I'm pretty sure Civilization didn't come out for C-64 since if it did I would have bought it. At that time C-64 was dying out having less games made for it.

It was towards the end of the 64's life that I got my copy, the Amiga had already been out for quite awhile and 386's were available. It was a pirate copy too that I got from my brother, maybe that had something to do with it.

Znabel15
Jan 28, 2006, 10:24 AM
civ on amiga? i got myself a "brandnew" 386 for civ :D

oh, and the c64 had a tape drive. floppy drives were avaible pretty soon though. with an incredible space of 180 kb per side!

WOW! Big Spender!!!
Did you also get that 1000$ single-speed CD-ROM once it came out?
A friend of mine got that for what I believe was a 286.
BUT: he didn`t just get the CD-ROM, it was bundeled with a crappy sound card. So he basically got a 500 dollar CD-Rom AND a 500 dollar soundcard.
But they were state of the art....
Imagine what you could get with 1000$ nowadays...:lol:

THARN
Jan 28, 2006, 10:38 AM
I remember buying 1/2 meg of ram for my Amiga 500 to make it run at 1 full Meg.
cost $130.00 - nowadays $130.00 gets you 1 GIG of dual channel ram..
progress is a beautiful thing.

and so was the Amiga.

Biffa
Jan 28, 2006, 12:05 PM
I started off with the Amiga 1200 which had the extra ram as standard and played Civ 1 alllll dayyyy looooong.

Now, as well as Civ IV on my PC, I have an Amiga emulator on my Palm T3 and play Civ 1 again :-)

thordk
Jan 28, 2006, 12:16 PM
BUT: he didn`t just get the CD-ROM, it was bundeled with a crappy sound card.
so has been mine. cd-rom drives didn't had standard interfaces back then. commonly they had a panasonic, sony, etc. interface and those interface were implemented on sound cards.
EIDE cd-drive came pretty late. but 386 had no EIDE support... noticed this after some days of cursing this stupid cheap bought 2x drive for not working ;)

cthom
Jan 28, 2006, 05:07 PM
Me too. Started out playing it on the Commodore 64 though. Yes I'm old. :D

WHAT? i first played it on the a500, what was it like on the c64? i'm 46 btw...

Smidlee
Jan 28, 2006, 05:31 PM
WHAT? i first played it on the a500, what was it like on the c64? i'm 46 btw...
I'm pretty sure "Red Strom Rising" (modern sub sim) was the last game came out for C-64 from Mircoprose in late 80's. I bought any game that had the Microprose name on it including Pirates. (the only reason I got Pirates and was surprised how much I like it) They even mention then they were having trouble crunching their games down to only 64k. IIRC A different branch of Microprose did continue developing game for the C-64 a little afterwards named Mircoplay. Microplay games wasn't nowhere near the quality of Mircoprose one were. By the time Civ came out, Mircoprose (including Microplay) had totally lefted C-64.

cthom
Jan 28, 2006, 05:45 PM
i'm amazed they got Pirates on the c64. On a side line, I bought my dad (78 y.o) a plug-in c64 joystick tv add-on with 32 games for £13! (winter olympics always cracks me up- the music:lol: )

Zelpo
Jan 28, 2006, 06:18 PM
<-- Another (previous) Commadore owner. I can remember in the early 80's mowing lawns for a few weeks to get a tape drive for my VIC20. I think that thing had a whole 3.5k of RAM lmao. Later on I graduated to an Apple ][e, and while there were plenty of games for that, I can't recall if Civ was available or not.

Tavenier
Jan 29, 2006, 03:35 AM
Talking Oldskool, does anybody remember the MSX (1&2)? It was a machine a bit like the Amiga, only less popular.
And I also had a Vectrex game computer. Still have it, by the way. A computer with the screen attached to it and for every game-cartidge you inserted you had to change a slider in front of the screen!

I was a relatvie late-comer on C64 (I am 28 now) so I had a relatively modern version. I also had a cartidge which to insert on the back of the machine which gave it more power. And I also had a slot for cartidges on it on top of the machine. I had a game called the Goonies (named after the movie) as a cartidge.

Come to think of it, can anyone tell me what the first time was you heard a voice on a computergame? I remember a pacman game on the MSX on the datarecorder. When your pacman was hit by the ghosts you heard: Oh, ****!!! The game was even called Oh, ****!!! because of that. Loading the datarecorder and it read: "Found: Oh, ****!!!" on my screen. :lol:

Denniz
Jan 29, 2006, 04:54 AM
Just wondering: Am I the only one here who have played Civ1 on my Amiga?I play Civ1 on an Amiga 1000.

Lobox
Jan 29, 2006, 05:22 AM
I'm pretty sure "Red Strom Rising" (modern sub sim) was the last game came out for C-64 from Mircoprose in late 80's. I bought any game that had the Microprose name on it including Pirates. (the only reason I got Pirates and was surprised how much I like it) They even mention then they were having trouble crunching their games down to only 64k. IIRC A different branch of Microprose did continue developing game for the C-64 a little afterwards named Mircoplay. Microplay games wasn't nowhere near the quality of Mircoprose one were. By the time Civ came out, Mircoprose (including Microplay) had totally lefted C-64.

Red Storm Rising where a superb game. I bought Pirates of the same reason as you and played it superlots. Microprose was pure quality.

Sadly I havent got hooked on the new Pirates.

nexus2000
Jan 29, 2006, 06:50 AM
Yes I remember, it was actually my first computer. However it was a gift from my brother and only lasted a week after I got it, so I don't really count it as such.

Ahhhh yes the good old ZX81 :eek: How I miss that touch sensative keyboard and that wobbly massive 16k Ram upgrade that would crash the system out if you accidently moved the machine. I still actually have mine burried in my attic along with my original Spectrum 48k. Anybody remember the Spectrum classic called Manic Minor? I use to love that game! And lets not forget the very first JR Tolkien adventure game for the spectrum The Hobbit by software maker Mellbourne House. It was a graphic and text base adventure game. I was stuck in the underground prison cell with Thor for weeks before I figured out how to get out of there.

As for the person who mentioned the first game that had digitial or digitized speech on a home computer I think it was a game called Qbert and I think it was on the Sinclair QL ?? Now while I admit my memory is a little misty on the subject I do remeber playing this early 3d game and being aww struck at hearing a voice during this game? but to be honest I cant remember if it was the QL or the C64??

The Amiga 500 was one hell of a machine and to this day it remains my all time favorite computer. It was way ahead of anything on the market at that time and and was a fantastic gaming machine it also looked real cool! Does anyone remember Starglider 1 & 2 by Rainbird ? The second version had me hooked for months I even lost a girlfriend because of this game ..LOLOL :lol: Also while we are on the subject of old computers does anyone remember the Commodore CD32? The first Cd powered game console? I actualy had one of these machines along with the FMV expansion pack that slotted into the rear of the machine. I fondly remember this machine and I wish I still had it (getting all misty eyed now) :)

BrianDH
Jan 29, 2006, 07:27 AM
Another ex-Amiga user - 500, 1200 & 2000.
Didn't play Civ on it tho' - I'm a late comer to Civ.
Yep - I remember Starglider.

I still have a working image of my Amiga 2000 and its huge 200Mb hard disk on my current PC. There's a free system called WinUAE which lets you emulate the Amiga at near full PC speed, practically everything works and you can even access PC resources: sound, graphics, CD/Disks/Internet connection the lot. Full PC resolution Amiga anyone?

You do need an old working Amiga so you can suck the ROM off it (if you'll pardon the expression).

cthom
Jan 29, 2006, 08:03 AM
Also while we are on the subject of old computers does anyone remember the Commodore CD32? The first Cd powered game console? I actualy had one of these machines along with the FMV expansion pack that slotted into the rear of the machine. I fondly remember this machine and I wish I still had it (getting all misty eyed now) :)

i bought one almost as soon as it came out. i then networked it to my a500, in effect giving it a cd drive.

Willem
Jan 29, 2006, 10:04 AM
I play Civ1 on an Amiga 1000.

You mean you still play or you did play. If you still have a working Amiga 1000, you should set up a museum. :D

danedwardsuk
Jan 29, 2006, 10:43 AM
Microprose was pure quality.

QFT. I bought anything with the Microprose name on it - all the best games were from them Pirates, Gunship, Colonization, Silent Service and of course Civ1.

There was also the original Railroad Tycoon of course!

Civ1 on the Amiga - now there is a childhood memory! :)

Zalcron
Jan 29, 2006, 10:59 AM
civ on c64? u guys are kidding right? i thought it was pushing it on my trusty amiga 500!! can u guys offer any proof as i am very sceptical (no offence)

I still remember playing civ for the first time i was 15 and intialy i thought "WTF! i dont understand any of this!" but after getting to grips with it i was hooked (until civ 2 in 96 at least)

Willem
Jan 29, 2006, 11:00 AM
There was also the original Railroad Tycoon of course!


Railroad Tycoon was a great game, to bad the sequels were such pale imitations. I have RRT 3 now and I just can't get into it, it's totally missing the spark the original used to have for me. I wonder why Sid let someone else do the sequels, that was originally his game as well.

nexus2000
Jan 31, 2006, 11:15 PM
civ on c64? u guys are kidding right? i thought it was pushing it on my trusty amiga 500!! can u guys offer any proof as i am very sceptical (no offence)

I still remember playing civ for the first time i was 15 and intialy i thought "WTF! i dont understand any of this!" but after getting to grips with it i was hooked (until civ 2 in 96 at least)

I owned a C64 and I'm 99% certain that Civ never came out for this machine. I'm fairly certain that Micropose released the game for the Amiga back in 91. This was the first machine that I remember playing this game on. I've done alot of research online and I cant find any reference to Civ on the C64. Now Pirates definately came out on the C64 as I remember playing that. If anyone can post a link to prove that Civ was on the C64???:crazyeye: I Still say StarGlider II was the best game ever on the Amiga :goodjob:

Wolfwood
Jan 31, 2006, 11:40 PM
Just wondering: Am I the only one here who have played Civ1 on my Amiga?

You probably were, unless you let your siblings play it too...

But I also did play the game on MY Amiga back in the day... I guess there's no hope of getting Civ4 on the new/upcoming PPC Amigas? :(

EdCase
Feb 01, 2006, 12:39 AM
The "new/upcoming" Amigas are (sorry to say) not really worth the bother. The amigaone once put together is basically a sub par PC wannabe. The Amiga is simply not able to compete anymore.

Incidentally yes I did play Civ 1 on a multitude of amiga's staring with a 1000 and right through to the 4000. I loved my miggys.

First computer...Hmmm that would be a zx80? (not zx81) the one that preceded the zx81 and came as a kit...yup I'm old:lol:

MetHimPikeHoses
Feb 01, 2006, 12:43 PM
I played CivI on a 386 for years. Well, until Civ2 came out anyway. I have been playing civ now for half of my 28 years, like an earlier poster. Right before CivI came out, My father brought home the 386 to replace the 8086 and those freeware arcade-style games I was always playing. Oh, and Oregon Trail...

Is original Civ available online anywhere?

Watchy
Feb 01, 2006, 02:12 PM
I did too. Amiga 500 all the way. Then I switched to Colonization on my Amiga 1200. Those were the days *sigh*.

Ah, colonization, I loved that game as well, isn't time it got an update? I tried to play it some time ago, but the graphics just kills my eyes on the bigger monitors you have these days. :crazyeye: <-- My eyes :cry:

Padma
Feb 01, 2006, 04:32 PM
Thread moved. Not a Civ4 discussion.

Yarmoss
Feb 01, 2006, 04:33 PM
You dont need a monitor to use an Amiga though. The fantastic thing about them was that they plugged straight into the aireal port of your TV. You just tuned a spare channel in to be your "Amiga channel".

My dad bought me my Amiga 500 back in '91 I think, with a 14" TV to go with it. While the 500 died a long time ago I still use the 14" Tv nearly every day :D

I still have my A1200 at my parents house somewhere though its mouse has died, and it was impossible to find a replacement mouse for it. The computer works fine though.

Im tempted to find an emulator and get my 1200 with my current computer just so that I can play Colonization again. Man that was a great game :cool:

777
Feb 02, 2006, 04:21 AM
Damn, I didn't have Civ on the Amiga nor c64 but even if I would had I wouldn't understand a heck about a game since I was about 9 or 10 :D I just played velocipede and centipede :)

And weird killing game on c64 what I've tried to look so far without a result, which reminds me to ask if anyone knows: I can't remember game but it started from city street, it was c64 game, you had a guy who had loads of guns with him. At the streets there was walking old ladies and some sort of criminal guys and you could shoot who ever you wanted to. If you shot old lady she would hack you with her purse :lol: you could enter building and there was also people to kill. Damn I don't know what purpose of that game or what you had to do in it 'cos I was too young to understand complex games :D

potto
Feb 02, 2006, 10:34 AM
Ah yes I played Civ 1 on my Amiga 500 all those years ago after seeing it on my friends Atari ST... took me a while to get my head around the concept though. Then fast forward a decade and I came across Civ III in the shops for the PC (I had just recently built my parents a PC without ever owning a PC myself!) and got hooked again.

To me Railroad Tycoon on the Amiga was the first of these types of games that got me hooked (then sim city) and like the previous post mentions I just couldnt get into the latest editions of Railroad Tycoon... RRT3 held the most promise but just wast the same, I prefered the originals CIV approach of starting from year 0 and letting you get on with it competing against other opponents to expand a rail empire rather than all the silly restricted scenarios.

Remember fondly Speedball II, Xenon II, Sensible Soccer, Robocod II, Lemmings, F1GP, Flashback, New Zealand Story, F18 Interceptor, Lotus Turbo Challenge... great stuff, the golden era?

FriendlyFire
Feb 05, 2006, 06:33 PM
A2000 Civ on a HUGE 20Meg HDD

i rememeber I had to write my own custom "startup sequence" in order to free enough ram to get it running properly.
Revolutionary at the time along with Dune 2.