GEORGE W. BUSH LEADERHEAD
Due to Xanikk999's request, I made a mod that replaces FDR with Dubya, not so much for playable value, but as someone to wage war against and smack-talk in diplomacy :lol:
*I know that in the past, people haven't liked the idea of replacing things like civs or leaderheads, but the mod is intended to let you fight Bush, so FDR isn't really needed. Also, replacement is much easier than addition.

Features:
- Static Bush LH
- Diplomacy Text complete with Bushisms
- New Traits: Aggressive and Spiritual
- New Button/Icon
- Civilopedia Article

To Install: Put the W Mod folder in your Mods folder

DOWNLOAD HERE (http://www.filegone.com/ffgu)

This mod is meant only as a joke. If you dislike it, feel free to voice your discontent, but DO NOT TRY TO MAKE THIS SEEM COMPARABLE TO RACISM OR VULGAR MATERIAL. THIS IS MERELY POLITICAL SATIRE. LIKE YOU SEE ON TV, IN BOOKS, ETC. ALMOST EVERY DAY.

Here are the extra LH pics.
1. Download them
2. Change the name of the one you like to bush.dds
3. Put it in Assets/Art/Leaderheads/Bush and replace the existing dds

Attached are the jpg versions of the new pics

Btw, google failure and click the first result...

That is fantastic! - you even did the diplomacy text with real quotes? Can't wait to play with - er, against - this one. Thanks Robo! :goodjob:

P.S. - You should consider making a whole modern leaderhead set with dumb quotes. Blair, Putin, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, etc. That would be a blast...

I read that diplomacy quote and about died laughing in my chair. :lol:

Good one!! lol, Im DL for sure and give Dubya a little shock and awe of my own,haha

Thanks for downloading :)

Fantastic! :goodjob:

A whole new reason to build nukes! :groucho:

Three... no wait, two... right *under breath* one, two... two thumbs up! :goodjob: :D :goodjob:

Looks cool I will use it

Gotta love Bush for not being the great communicator.

I am SO gonna declare war on him when I see him!
The only problem I see is that it replaces FDR, but that's fixable.
Good job!

LOL :lol: OMG... the diplomacy quote is probably the best part of this LH. Keep up the good work !!! :goodjob:

Sorry to bump an old thread, but I'm new to this...what do I do with the file?

Just open up the winzip file and put the W Mod folder in your mods folder.

It works perfectly now except for that he's just a big pink box...any ideas?

The screenshot will be better if it has the respond that says "Your head will look better on a pole" :D

I found another funny leaderhead on a German Civ-Fansite:

http://www.civforum.de/showthread.php?t=30272

It works perfectly now except for that he's just a big pink box...any ideas?

The pink box means that either there's no dds picture, or the XML coding is telling the game to use a nonexistent file. Make sure the dds picture is in Mods/W Mod/Assets/Art/Leaderheads/Bush, and is named bush.dds

Hope that works:D

=)
Good one

I had the same problem with the picture, but it helped, that I changed the resolution of the in-game-LH-picture to 256x256 and the civilopedia-button to 64x64. You can do this very easily with the program "gimp" and the dds-plugin.

Glad to see the Bush bashing anti Americanism is alive and well!:thumbdown
Hmm I wonder if anyone is doing an anti french with Chirac? Putin? Oh but I guess they are the good guys right?

but hey its hip to bash Bush right?

So predictible,

Hey, I personally like it (actually had to stifle a guffaw when the screen shot opened) and plan to play as Dub-ya. At least he’s more handsome than FDR. The only question I have is will I lose the ability to play as FDR in the future?

Bilas
I wonder if anyone is doing an anti french with Chirac? Putin?
Don't worry Putin! :0
:)

Glad to see the Bush bashing anti Americanism is alive and well!:thumbdown
Hmm I wonder if anyone is doing an anti french with Chirac? Putin? Oh but I guess they are the good guys right?

but hey its hip to bash Bush right?

So predictible,
It is a joke don't take it seriously..:lol: :lol:

Yeah, it was stated pretty clearly in the initial post:

This mod is meant only as a joke. I'm not trying to insult anyone's political philosphy in a serious way, and I would appreciate it if political discussion was KEPT OUT OF THE THREAD.

Hmm I wonder if anyone is doing an anti french with Chirac? Putin? Oh but I guess they are the good guys right?

Yeah, actually I am. I'm working on doing joke versions of all the major world leaders, although I think I'll wait for the SDK to finish it right. So you've got that to look forward to! :goodjob:

but hey its hip to bash Bush right?
So predictible,

yup - just as hip as it is to bash hipster Bush bashers. :D

The only question I have is will I lose the ability to play as FDR in the future?

You won't be able to play as FDR in the mod, but you can certainly play as him in the normal game or in other mods that include him.

NOTE: The folder this mod comes in should be placed in the C:/Program Files/Firaxis Games/Sid Meier's Civilization IV/Mods folder! No files should be replaced in this process, and you should NEVER CHANGE THE ASSETS OF THE REGULAR GAME. All mods should be installed in this way.

Maybe you can make some new units to go with Bush.

One would be Neocon unit's and illuminati unit's.

[QUOTE=Bilas]Glad to see the Bush bashing anti Americanism is alive and well!:thumbdown



Since when was Bush bashing anti-american? :rolleyes: People are just making light of the issue.:mischief:

I thought bashing was hip in the States? Am I wrong? :mischief:

No, you're right more or less, but just like everywhere else, people in the U.S. have different opinions. Some like Bush bashing, some like Kerry or Gore bashing, and some bash Canada because they know that Canada is better politically and socially equipped for the future, but don't want to admit that any country can outdo America in any way. :D

America, **** Yeah!
Comin' again to save the mother ****in' day, yeah!
America, **** Yeah!
Freedom is the only way, Yeah!
Terrorists, your game is through, cuz now you have to answer to
America, **** Yeah!
- Team America: World Police

Btw, I want to point out again that by releasing this leaderhead and displaying the above quote, it really is in a joking manner. Even if I don't agree with some of the United States Government's decisions, I still don't endorse anti-patriotism.

Patriotism is standing by your country all the time, and you're government some of the time.:salute:
- Mark Twain

Just found this thread.. Thank you so much robo and good work! :goodjob:

i'd just like to point out that I am anti-bush but not anti american there is a real difference and everyone should be free to express an opinion especially an anti government opinion bush bashing is justified and a use of freedom of speech anti americanism is wrong. And that from a Dane dont get us started on freedom of speech, one of our paper's might have just started world war 3. God i just re-read your post, bilas. Christ i presume your american so do you not understand freedom of opinion even if it is the opposite of your own (especially if its the opposite of your own)

ha, well, its not likely he plays civ, so he prob not see it ;)

damn after five days i thought i had the last say and killed this thread damn you dalek master call the doctor

Wunderbar!

Danke sehr :D

Anyway, who says Dubya has to be an American leader:

http://www.talibanreunited.com/images/dubya.jpg

Osama Bush Laden? :mischief:

You have offended me greatly with your liberal agenda. I am sure many here will not download your mod and I've asked several of my friends not to download it either. I hope you're happy.

You have offended me greatly with your liberal agenda. I am sure many here will not download your mod and I've asked several of my friends not to download it either. I hope you're happy.
Liberal Agenda?? It is a joke mod not to be taken seriously. And I must say, it is very funny also.

Its very sad how the only way not to be a liberal is to support Bush. Some people look at the presidential canidates and say to themselves "not much choice in sh!t".

Mauritania you almost killed me with that pic. Its scary how people can alter photos.

Liberal Agenda?? It is a joke mod not to be taken seriously. And I must say, it is very funny also.
Obviously it's a joke. A picture of Bush in front of a nuke explosion is obviously satire. But just because it is satire doesn't mean it doesn't offend people. How would you like it if I said a racist joke, and you got angry, and my only reply would be: "Hey, it was a joke!".

How would you like it if I had a picture of Hillary Clinton with a dead fetus behind her, or something else offensive like that, and when you liberals came in to complain I would just say: "Hey, it's just a joke, lighten up!"

If you don't remove this mod I shall be forced to do so.

Obviously it's a joke. A picture of Bush in front of a nuke explosion is obviously satire. But just because it is satire doesn't mean it doesn't offend people. How would you like it if I said a racist joke, and you got angry, and my only reply would be: "Hey, it was a joke!".

How would you like it if I had a picture of Hillary Clinton with a dead fetus behind her, or something else offensive like that, and when you liberals came in to complain I would just say: "Hey, it's just a joke, lighten up!"

If you don't remove this mod I shall be forced to do so.

Dear me.

A tr00 conservative should know that HIS right to free speech overrides YOUR right to take offence.

I don't think public threats are the smartest idea either.

Obviously it's a joke. A picture of Bush in front of a nuke explosion is obviously satire. But just because it is satire doesn't mean it doesn't offend people. How would you like it if I said a racist joke, and you got angry, and my only reply would be: "Hey, it was a joke!".

How would you like it if I had a picture of Hillary Clinton with a dead fetus behind her, or something else offensive like that, and when you liberals came in to complain I would just say: "Hey, it's just a joke, lighten up!"

If you don't remove this mod I shall be forced to do so.
I don't care, Hillary sucks. Lighten up its Freedom of Speech,
Your 1st Amendment!!!

Im sorry you or anyone else who respects Bush clicked on the thread that says: George Bush LH (as a joke), but people who are upset by what hes done have the right to get together and say what they want about him. I people aren't allowed to get together and say what they want, then we've lost our freedom of speech. This is not seditious, and its not obscene. Im sorry about how you feel but we are the ones who are stuck with a president we didn't vote for.

Im sorry you or anyone else who respects Bush clicked on the thread that says: George Bush LH (as a joke), but people who are upset by what hes done have the right to get together and say what they want about him. I people aren't allowed to get together and say what they want, then we've lost our freedom of speech. This is not seditious, and its not obscene. Im sorry about how you feel but we are the ones who are stuck with a president we didn't vote for.
Without the 1st amendment this forum would be shut down to all American users.

I have a sound file for when his leaderhead pops up! I don't know how to host it though...

Obviously it's a joke. A picture of Bush in front of a nuke explosion is obviously satire. But just because it is satire doesn't mean it doesn't offend people. How would you like it if I said a racist joke, and you got angry, and my only reply would be: "Hey, it was a joke!".

How would you like it if I had a picture of Hillary Clinton with a dead fetus behind her, or something else offensive like that, and when you liberals came in to complain I would just say: "Hey, it's just a joke, lighten up!"

If you don't remove this mod I shall be forced to do so.

Ok, first of all, political satire is nowhere close to racism. Political satire is found all over the media, against both major parties. If you are offended as deeply by a political joke as you are by racist jokes, you seriously need to lighten up. And don't go reading a newspaper or watching tv. You might see Doonesbury or the Boondocks and have severe emotional trauma :p

I would certainly not object to political satire aimed at liberals, as long as it was reasonably tasteful (a dead fetus is just wrong, and is nowhere close to an explosion in the background).

And btw, people hate Hilary Clinton regardless of political persuasion. Very few democrats like her any more than republicans do. I can't imagine many people on these forums like her, after all she wants to ban violent videogames.

And finally, as for having the mod removed, I doubt you'll be able to. One person made a more serious counterpart to my mod: a Right Wing Christian mod with Geroge Bush as a leaderhead for America. He was aggressive and spiritual, but not at all as a joke. They also added another leader for America: Jesus Christ. Obviously, having Jesus as an American leader was highly offensive to any Christian, liberal or conservative, and that mod was removed. So getting to the point, moderators saw that mod and removed it. However, this mod has had much more traffic than that other mod, and I'm sure moderators have seen it. Obviously, it's still here, so if they have seen it, they won't remove it.

@IamSid
Just send the sound file to a compressed folder (.zip) and post it on the forum. Also, could you tell me where to put it? I've never edited sound before.

Also can you give me a link to the right wing christian mod? I have yet to see it.

I found another funny leaderhead on a German Civ-Fansite:

http://www.civforum.de/showthread.php?t=30272


BRILLENT JUST FANTASIC that was the last person i expected to see

IamSid I have to warn you about that " right wing christian mod". Most christians who see it are actually offended by it and oddly enough, the creater of the mod insists he wasn't joking. Its an extreme neocon=christian stereotype which many of us find frustrating.

Here's the link to the Christian Mod. It really is offensive to everyone, regardless of religion or political beliefs.
Christian Mod (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=158494)

Reminds me of the animated leaderhead civarmy made for civ3 about a year ago I think.

I can't wait till someone actually figures out how to make totally new units(not just reskins). Then I'll probably have more incitive to mod this game like I currently do civ3.

This whole thread is hilarious. Robo Magic Man, it's funny - when I read in your first post that this was just a joke and please don't discuss politics in this thread I immediately laughed and thought: yeah, right. I'll give it a week before the poo hits the fan. SOMEONE will start a political argument.

I am continually astounded by people who are so easily offended. Hilary Clinton with a dead fetus? Knock yourself out - I wouldn't download it just because it would be gross to look at, not because you "offended me" by making fun of Hillary Clinton. And why is the Jesus Christ leaderhead so offensive? I seriously don't get it. Same with the Mohammed cartoons. I mean what's the big freakin' deal? If you don't like it, don't look at it! If you're offeneded, don't download it! It really is that easy.

Why - why do conservatives want to control everything? Remove this mod??? It's really bothering you that much just knowing it's here, available for others to use and laugh at?? Grow up.

By the way, awesome pic Mauritania.

:lol: Nice work Robo Magic Man, and good point Depravo. The replies are almost as funny as from that christian mod. How foolish of people to get offended, and to attempt to ban this.

A smart conservative would add John Kerry as a leader. Choose a picture a conservative would love. Then edit his diplomacy text to reflect his lack of confidence! Perhaps add a few references to him being French and there you go.

You have something funny, it conveys what you believe, and people will play it.

It is always better to be witty then childish.

116076

Dubya being introduced to some European customs.

:lol: Nice work Robo Magic Man, and good point Depravo. The replies are almost as funny as from that christian mod. How foolish of people to get offended, and to attempt to ban this.

A smart conservative would add John Kerry as a leader. Choose a picture a conservative would love. Then edit his diplomacy text to reflect his lack of confidence! Perhaps add a few references to him being French and there you go.

You have something funny, it conveys what you believe, and people will play it.

It is always better to be witty then childish.

I definitely agree here. Had I been 18 in 2004, I would have voted for him mainly to get rid of Bush. But in truth, he was an absolutely terrible campaigner, and I didn't even fully agree with his policies. Bush supporters aired all kinds of insulting ads and Bush even criticized some of Kerry's votes in the Senate during the debates, but he never responded. He always just changed the subject.

Also, I agree with Chuck Berry on the offensiveness thing. However, I do think the Mohammed cartoons are different. They broke religious rules by merely displaying Mohammed and by showing Mohammed as a terrorist, (a few but not all of the comics did) they truly offended a lot of Muslims, because it was an insult not to their politics, but to their core beliefs and entire way of life. I think many people need to lighten up, but when jokes are meant as serious insults and not just as a joke, there are borders that should be repected.

Btw, the story behind the Mohammed cartoons is pretty interesting. It turns out that someone was writing a book on Islam, and wanted to find a picture of Mohammed, but couldn't find any because pictures of him are banned in Islam. So, a Danish newspaper had a contest to draw Mohammed so that this guy would have an illustration for his book.
Also, the reason many Muslims seem to be overreacting is that Islamic leaders showed them pictures that the newspaper had deemed to offensive to post, but didn't tell them that they had never appeared in the paper.

Yeah, I've been following the cartoon issue. Heard it started from a competition, and the Islamic leaders of theocratic societies have really used it to their advantage. As some very poignant articles detail.

However, in civ, when i use conquistadores, Ansar warriors, or mujahideens, i make sure i have theocracy. The +2 experience is helpful, a stronger army used well can do great things. But personally, i hold that theocracy is just another system to control thought and the people, to prevent dissent and criticism.

So no, i dont think giving in to the rulings of theocracies in other countries is a good idea. The +2 experience bonus isnt worth it. :king:

Also can someone create an Angry mob mod? Bands of peasants have gone nuts throughout history when greatly inspired (manipulated). The first crusade was largely an angry mob army with the true crusaders coming later. And then theres the french revolution...
And as we see, angry mobs are still around, ready to be used.

Perhaps can only be built in cities with a great prophet (respected religious leader) or great artist (agitator). Would be weak as, but sacrifice a pop for two or three.

As for skins, can the settler be edited so that he is carrying a pitchfork and flaming torch?

Also can someone create an Angry mob mod? Bands of peasants have gone nuts throughout history when greatly inspired (manipulated). The first crusade was largely an angry mob army with the true crusaders coming later. And then theres the french revolution...
And as we see, angry mobs are still around, ready to be used.

The mob/rebellion will is going to be in a huge mod of mine to be released later.

But when? Can you use/inspire rebellions, or will the player suffer them and have to deal with it.

Any new UU's?

Also, I agree with Chuck Berry on the offensiveness thing. However, I do think the Mohammed cartoons are different. They broke religious rules by merely displaying Mohammed and by showing Mohammed as a terrorist, (a few but not all of the comics did) they truly offended a lot of Muslims, because it was an insult not to their politics, but to their core beliefs and entire way of life. I think many people need to lighten up, but when jokes are meant as serious insults and not just as a joke, there are borders that should be repected.

If the rioting had been confined to the Islamosphere, I might not have minded. It was the demonstrators in this country and Europe that got my goat. Lash your tails against your cages in such places as Syria and Indonesia all you want, but I don't want the muthaland made over into a PC theocracy.

what they have freedom of speech in the islamosphere as you put it but not in Europe i come from denmark and feel that anyone has a right to protest if they feel offended no matter where they live dont be fooled by the small minority of muslims that preach violence. this issue has been hijaked by people spreading there own agenda the vast majority of muslims are rightly offended by the cartoons but choose to protest peacefully and take part in boycotts of proucts assoiciated with denmark. As a dane its awful to see our flag burned for something outside government and peoples control but i fully support the muslims right to protest peacefully and understand their anger.

what they have freedom of speech in the islamosphere as you put it but not in Europe i come from denmark and feel that anyone has a right to protest if they feel offended no matter where they live dont be fooled by the small minority of muslims that preach violence. this issue has been hijaked by people spreading there own agenda the vast majority of muslims are rightly offended by the cartoons but choose to protest peacefully and take part in boycotts of proucts assoiciated with denmark. As a dane its awful to see our flag burned for something outside government and peoples control but i fully support the muslims right to protest peacefully and understand their anger.

That's your prerogative, but I think we're witnessing the dawning of something far more insidious.

muhahahaha
that is definitely the best "mod"! :goodjob:
i have to play it now!!!!! :lol: :nuke: :lol:

(that is worth my 100 post ;) )

Btw, the story behind the Mohammed cartoons is pretty interesting. It turns out that someone was writing a book on Islam, and wanted to find a picture of Mohammed, but couldn't find any because pictures of him are banned in Islam. So, a Danish newspaper had a contest to draw Mohammed so that this guy would have an illustration for his book.

The Danish newspaper also received a number of cartoons satirizing Christ two years ago, and refused to print them, because they were deemed offensive to the majority of their readers. The smell of hypocrisy in those offices must be something fierce, I tell you. ;)

Also, the reason many Muslims seem to be overreacting is that Islamic leaders showed them pictures that the newspaper had deemed to offensive to post, but didn't tell them that they had never appeared in the paper.

Most of the anger derives from the actual cartoons themselves, which are very insulting in themselves. Not to mention the long history of European involvement in pushing around MidEastern affairs, climaxing in the invasion of Iraq. Sort of like lighting a match to a smouldering tinderbox. Not that I accept the violent response, but I would have thought that along with freedom of speech for money-making newspapers came a sense of social responsibility. Guess not.

To me it seems two powerful idea systems are in competition. The holy rulings of theocracy vs the freedom of speech of democracies. There is a lot of pressure being applied, each is attempting to overcome the other. If either one gives in or loses, the victor then has the advantage in the realm of ideas. The victor becomes a more dominant ideology.

:sad: :crazyeye: :)


Who here plays the religious victory mod? It certainly is more insidious to make everyone think as you do, follow you, grant you victory, then to grind them into dusk.

:stupid:

Oh aye. 1984 wouldn't be half the book it is if Winston got shot at the end.

Oh aye. 1984 wouldn't be half the book it is if Winston got shot at the end.
Great book it is.

Yeah this is a great idea!!! how about as a joke you make an Islamic terrorist civ.... with suicide bombers, plane hijackers, camel riders, violent cartoon rioters and tent merchants....

oh but its just a joke... lighten up. 1st amendment.

Hello everyone!
Just a quick post to say that you're mod is great!!
Good idea!
Let's continue your work and do a TOTAL satiric mod!
Anyway, good work!

Ops, sorry for my English
I don't mean that you are a good mod, but your mod is good.
Jejeje

out of date.

Now thats a good idea Illini9.

The examples I made of Islamic TERRORISTS are not stereotypes. I satirically joked about a militant extremist group. NOT racist at all. However if I made reference to ALL Muslims as being terrorists and tent merchants, then it would be a racist stereotype. (However I do have plenty of suggestions for a Islamic Terrorist civ.... such as having inability to research Democracy, adopt free speech, universal sufferage, free religion, etc.)

In the same breath, I expect the creator of this mod to come out with a balanced character like Bill Clinton (excess corruption) or something of that matter. To poke fun at one president (and make him out to be stupid) and do the same for another would make it easier to swallow (pun on Bill Clinton not intended) for those of us who support President Bush. That is why this mod is an issue with some people.

Another suggestion is: for the next mod, make our presidents out to be Presidential and honorable, so to not project that Americans are stupid, as many Non-Americans are being led to believe because of satire like this.

@Illini9
Ok, I didn't know you were serious about the terrorist civ. I thought you were being sarcastic. I'll edit the post to reflect that new info.

As for the balancing leaderhead idea, I agree. I may make a new satirical LH to counter the Bush one.
However, if I wanted a leader with excess corruption, I'd still use a Republican ;). Frankly, they're the ones who are currently being corrupt. Just look at Jack Abramoff. However, I don't deny that democrats have been corrupt in the past, and I'm sure there are some that are today.

yes yes yes!!!!!!!!!!! Meg Ryan orgasm over here. How cool would a full on satirical mod be. Cheney has to be in, if he shoots his friends imagine his diplomacy when he comes up against montezuma etc. I would defienetly plum for Blair, ( or bLIAR see what i did there hehe) id love to wipe that arrogant smarmy smile off his face. If we are up to date then Fogh-Rasmussen has to be in regarding his campaign for free speech (note im danish and he has a near monopoly in support here for his firm stance at not apologising) BUT if you want to be really controversial I suppose we have to have Sharon although the backlash will be worse than that for Bush as unfortunatly you cant say anything anti-isreali without it being reinterpreted as anti-semitic, some people just acnt see the difference

I may make a new satirical LH to counter the Bush one.

That would be great! Try to keep an open mind, which I know is tough for those of you who hate Republicans. :lol:

However, if I wanted a leader with excess corruption, I'd still use a Republican ;). Frankly, they're the ones who are currently being corrupt. Just look at Jack Abramoff. However, I don't deny that democrats have been corrupt in the past, and I'm sure there are some that are today.

Of course you would use Jack Abramoff, a lobbyist who happens to be a Republican, as an example of the "culture of corruption" that embodies ALL Republicans.... :rolleyes:
Good example... not. There are criminals on both sides of the isle and you know that. Play that game and I might bring up Clinton's Whitewater Scandal... (someone at top of the Democratic party at his time) But we choose to ignore examples like these and only focus on the little guys in the Republican party, like Abramoff who actually admitted what he did.

The whole point is that you make it out to be that Republicans are more corrupt and just simply inferior. These are false claims and cannot be backed up by fact. However the contrary CAN be backed up by fact- you only choose to ignore it.

Fun Fact: No Democrat presidential candidate has won 50% of the popular vote since 1976. :goodjob:
Trolling - warned.

A 'modern day' satirical mod would be great. One leader from each 'tendency' per civ. Major vs Blair, Mitterand vs Chirac, Kohl vs Schroeder, Berlusconi vs... uh...

Then when Major's winning a war, he can say, "Oh yes. This has been a remarkably satisfactory few number of weeks." :p

@Illini9
There are facts to back up what I said, which is that currently there are more Republican-related corruption scandals being revealed by the media. I'm not saying Republicans are always more corrupt or inferior, I'm using current examples to back a claim that applies only to current events. Corruption does occur on both sides of the aisle throughout history and is equal overall, but recently, it's been more on the right. This isn't a statement meant solely to discredit Republicans, merely an observation.

And, as for the 50% thing, it really is irrelevant. With more than 2 parties, no matter how small the others may be, it's difficult to recieve 50% of the popular vote regardless of party. In 2000, Gore won the popular vote, meaning that he had a higher percentage (albeit under 50) than Bush. This means that every time after 1976 that the Democrats won the popular vote, though they had under 50%, the Republicans had even less. Frankly, your "Fun Fact" is twisted to favor Republicans, and shows very little about actual party support.

Quote: there are more Republican-related corruption scandals being revealed by the media. Have you been living under a rock? Everyone knows that the mainstream media is extremely liberal. Its therefore in their interest to bash republicans.Corruption does occur on both sides of the aisle throughout history and is equal overall, but recently, it's been more on the right Just like most un-informed, or dis-informed liberals, you like to skip your facts and go straight to the bashing.
Trolling - warned.

As a Republican, I find that although W isn't the best prez evah, I do believe he was the least of 11 evils. (10, actually - Kuscinich was a joke.)

That having been said, I believe you did an excellent job on this LH. The new diplomacy lines are accurate, and portray how W actually speaks. BTW, did you notice he never stutters speaking Spanish? Anyway, The pics are fairly well-done as well. I like the present American LHs too much to use this one, but I wanted to say that you did very well. Good job. :)

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

As an Australian, if find both sides to this little cat fight extremely hilarious. I doubt you'll find a country that bashes their politicians more than good old Oz (we've been bashing little johhny muppet-boy for years and he still keeps winning elections) and it tickles me pink to listen to such vehement controversy. Oh dear it must be sooooo hard to have to take everything so seriously. No wonder American school children are shooting each other. The stress must be too much.

Get over it!

Oh and if anyone doesn't like anything I've said well boo hoo hoo. I double dare you to come over here and make me stop. My country has gone to war with the US time and time again so I can say anything I damn well want to.

And if the post gets deleted, well that'd be even funnier.:lol: :lol:

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/6091/newimage48kz.jpg

Trolling - warned.

grinning monk why the defensiveness? You just burst out in defense of your right to speak here and no one attacked it.
I can't believe that picture you put on there, I can't tell if its funny or sick.
American school children shooting eachother? Those shooters were mentally disturbed teens who were put on riddelin and morphine. Such people were hardly into the politics.
You say your australian and then state that your country has been at war with the US many times. I have no idea what your talking about there. Australia has been to war with the US?

grinning monk why the defensiveness? You just burst out in defense of your right to speak here and no one attacked it.

You just did. Maybe i thought i'd get in first.

I can't believe that picture you put on there, I can't tell if its funny or sick.

Point Proven. Too serious. You lucky this is gaming forum and I could post the other one I have that would have really shocked you.

American school children shooting eachother? Those shooters were mentally disturbed teens who were put on riddelin and morphine. Such people were hardly into the politics.


Knew that'd get a rise out of someone. Then why is everyone else worrying about some pic of bush with a bomb explosion behind him instead of sorting out the real problems in society. Sometimes ppl gotta get slapped in the face before they realise there are bigger things.

You say your australian and then state that your country has been at war with the US many times. I have no idea what your talking about there. Australia has been to war with the US?

With not against, the word has more than one use. We went with the US to Korea, and again to Vietnam, not to mention both gulf wars. I never said we have "been at" war with the US at anytime in that post.:eek:

disturbed teens who were put on riddelin

Dude, you must mean Ritalin, I know that d and t are basically the same letter in am. english, but still...
No-one likes the spelling police.

Knew that'd get a rise out of someone. Then why is everyone else worrying about some pic of bush with a bomb explosion behind him instead of sorting out the real problems in society. Sometimes ppl gotta get slapped in the face before they realise there are bigger things.

Game forum discussion doesn't represent real political controversies prevalent in a country. No one here is taking this more seriously than they would an argument with a friend. We're not sorting out the big problems because this is a game forum, not a political discussion. We all know there are bigger things, but this isn't the place to discuss those things. After all, who wants to make a mod about world hunger? Bush is just funnier.

Also, school shootings really had nothing to do with politics. People aren't objecting to what you said because they're preoccupied with smaller problems. It's because what you said is rubbish.

Have you been living under a rock? Everyone knows that the mainstream media is extremely liberal. Its therefore in their interest to bash republicans. Just like most un-informed, or dis-informed liberals, you like to skip your facts and go straight to the bashing.

First of all, the mainstream media is not liberal. Just look at Fox. The OReilly Factor, Scarorough Country, etc. are all incredibly conservative. Also, revealing corruption scandals like people recieving illegal donations from Defense Contractors or cheating Native American tribes out of their money and then donating it to politicians isn't bashing. It's the truth. And finally, I wasn't even bashing in that post! Did you read the part where I said corruption is even on both sides overall?!

Btw, I just saw the 5-star rating. Thanks to everyone who rated the thread! :D

No one here is taking this more seriously than they would an argument with a friend.

Gee I hope i never have such a scathing "friendly" argument. you ppl were tearing shreds of each other until i distracted you with something more shocking.

Also, school shootings really had nothing to do with politics. People aren't objecting to what you said because they're preoccupied with smaller problems. It's because what you said is .

Sorry if you think its "", at the most i would consider it ill-concieved.:blush:

As far as I am concerned, and as much as it shouldnt be, our societies are structured from the top down, whether we like it or not. Everything is connected and I'm sorry but you can't tell me otherwise. It'd be like saying homelessness has nothing to do with politics, or the price of beef products or health care (and yes that includes mental health care that these school kids should have been in.) It is in the administration of the market place, social services and every other facet of our lives that things either work or fall flat on its ass.

Call it a sweeping generalisation if you will (twenty years ago I would have been called a communist:lol:) but think reeeeaalll hard about it and then tell me i'm wrong. It's easy to say something is "" in fact..oh look that tree over there...well gee that looks like to me.

Flame away

Grinningmonk when i said i couldn't believe the picture you put on there, I didn't mean what you seem to think i meant. I meant it looks hilarious, and at the same time its almost twisted. I carefully read over my post again, I still don't know how i attacked your right to post on hear. Maybe you said that because you were under the impression that i was shocked and offended by the pic. I wouldn't object to you showing your other pic either unless it ruined my dinner.(whoops i mentioned dinner when i should talk of more important things) You see if only you wouldn't take things so seriously we wouldn't have such misunderstandings.
Dennismoore thanks for the correct spelling, I was in too much of a hurry att to look up the correct spelling of the drug.
Back to grinningmonk: you showed how politics are the base for a most of our problems, but since this thread is about the men at the top lets just keep the discussion at the friendly political satire and debates that *most* of us are trying to have. A Bush LH has little to do with drugged teens.
Please understand that not all of the people here are american. People from all around the world are here to join in on the fun. Also, your remarks are comming across as scathing as those made by people stating their stance on the Bush debate.
Take it easy everyone

Grinningmonk when i said i couldn't believe the picture you put on there, I didn't mean what you seem to think i meant. I meant it looks hilarious, and at the same time its almost twisted. I carefully read over my post again, I still don't know how i attacked your right to post on hear. Maybe you said that because you were under the impression that i was shocked and offended by the pic.

That would be the missunderstanding:rolleyes: :blush: So easy to do. One day someone will invent a new form of written text that conveys not only the words but the tonal and emotional aspect of those words. Point in fact, your own missunderstanding of my "going to war with" statement.:cool:

I wouldn't object to you showing your other pic either unless it ruined my dinner.(whoops i mentioned dinner when i should talk of more important things) You see if only you wouldn't take things so seriously we wouldn't have such misunderstandings.

You might not but the mods surely would:lol: And the thing is I wasn't really taking it that seriously, I was assuming that the copious use of smiles would have displayed that (there would have been more but i hit the image limit:rolleyes: ) I guess ppl still dont get the Oz concept of "taking the piss" :cool: .

you showed how politics are the base for a most of our problems, but since this thread is about the men at the top lets just keep the discussion at the friendly political satire and debates that *most* of us are trying to have.

I still believe the whole "who's more corrupt" debate was hardly satiric and was beginning to look like:

Party A - "my X-Brand thingamijig with the revolving wing-wong is better than your X-Brand thingamijig with the revolving wing wong"

Party B - "No, my X-Brand thingamijig with the revolving wing-wong is better than your X-Brand thingamijig with the revolving wing wong because it has a little red flashing light"

Party A - "Definately not! My X-Brand thingamijig with the revolving wing-wong is better than your X-Brand thingamijig with the revolving wing wong because it has a little red flashing light and goes BEEP!"

To be honest I was waiting for the hissy fight :lol:

A Bush LH has little to do with drugged teens.

I have already agreed that this was ill-concieved but I will offer no retractments or apologies. It didn't come out the way I intended but i dont deny it was said (after all I'm not a politician, just a humble Monk who likes to speak his mind, whatever part of the ionosphere his mind may be in at the time:crazyeye: )

Also, your remarks are comming across as scathing as those made by people stating their stance on the Bush debate.


I disagree, I attacked no-ones political alliegances, nor singled out any specific remarks until it was done to mine. I called no one names (nor attacked their spelling;) ) and in any further posts I at least tried (to varying degrees of success:mischief: ) to give some kind of explanation to any debate of the points my first post failed to do. Ppl will take it as they will I suppose.

Take it easy everyone

Amen

Why not just make an un-mod mod section, with the warning that contents might be found offensive, and that all who browse agree to such and such. =/ It isn't my fault if I put up a sign that says "Beware of man eating Poodles" and someone ignores the sign and gets eaten. Ofcourse, it would have to be pertained to political views, and not racist, so maybe it would be a political spamgrounds...

Ah political debates are a funny thing. :crazyeye: I agree with most of your points grinningmonk, top-down order of society and such, it really is so obvious.

Im quite glad we australians typically dont take politics seriously. Imagine the consequences!

To Robo Magic Man: Just so you know, fox news hasn't always been around. In fact its only been here the last 10 years or so. and how can you consider them the mainstream when they are only on cable. True their popularity is increasing more and more because until them there was no conservative, or balanced for that matter, news media. I roll on the floor laughing at the notion that you think there is equal representation in the news media. Look at Rather and what he did. They don't even bother to thorourghly investigate anything before they go reporting on bush. bashing or no bashing i think people are living in ignorance who think the MAINSTREAM media is fair.

To Robo Magic Man: Just so you know, fox news hasn't always been around. In fact its only been here the last 10 years or so. and how can you consider them the mainstream when they are only on cable. True their popularity is increasing more and more because until them there was no conservative, or balanced for that matter, news media. I roll on the floor laughing at the notion that you think there is equal representation in the news media. Look at Rather and what he did. They don't even bother to thorourghly investigate anything before they go reporting on bush. bashing or no bashing i think people are living in ignorance who think the MAINSTREAM media is fair.


They're not mainstream? They're the most watched news program.
Plus, there's Wall Street Editorial Pages, Washington Times, etc. There's plenty of right-wing sources. And I must say, at least the MAINSTREAM Media tries to be fair, instead of insulting everyone who insults Bush and his little friends.

Hey australian grinning monk: Unless your a citizen here and vote then why don't you just stay out of these types of debates. My relatives and ancestors didnt fight and die in wars that have made and kept this country free so that i could read through your stupid monologues and how you think your so much smarter than everyone else. Newsflash: it takes a fool to stick their nose where it doesn't belong for no reason. go to an australian chatroom and vent or something.

REport it - don't inflame it. Warned.

They're not mainstream? They're the most watched news program. Don't embarass yourself by replying with this kind of garbage. They are 1 news media tv station. against like 3 or 4. of course they are popular because America is not a liberal nation like the liberal news would have some to believe. therefore since about half or more are conservative, who are they going to watch? while the libs and democrats have 3 or 4 to pick from which divides their ratings even more. im not going to respond to anymore of these nutty post after this one because i think if a person doesn't get this fact, then they just won't ever get it. and if you think that the mainstream media tries to ge fair, then its only because your on the liberal side of the political arena already. i'm certainly not liberal and i know a lot of conservatives will agree with me on this.

After all, who wants to make a mod about world hunger? Bush is just funnier I don't care if you think bush is funny. like ha ha funny. but just admit that you hate him why don't you? If you honestly think he's funny then that's just great, but your lying if you don't think that clinton with all of his monica scandals and white water were not just as humorous and easy to make fun of. its just strange that everyone forgets about mr untouchable bill clinton who lied on the stand. yeah laugh it up and pile on bush who strangely enough happens to be a christian. what a coincidence.

Don't embarass yourself by replying with this kind of garbage. They are 1 news media tv station. against like 3 or 4. of course they are popular because America is not a liberal nation like the liberal news would have some to believe. therefore since about half or more are conservative, who are they going to watch? while the libs and democrats have 3 or 4 to pick from which divides their ratings even more. im not going to respond to anymore of these nutty post after this one because i think if a person doesn't get this fact, then they just won't ever get it. and if you think that the mainstream media tries to ge fair, then its only because your on the liberal side of the political arena already. i'm certainly not liberal and i know a lot of conservatives will agree with me on this.

You're the one embarrasing yourself. In fact, I already reported you for what you said 2 posts before.
Not all Conservatives watch that crap Fox News. In fact, all the conservatives I know, which are 20, think Fox News is a bunch of bull. I never said that this "mainstream media" is fair, I said they try hard which all right-wing media doesn't try at all to be fair.

OK - this flaming and bickering stops NOW.

This is a discussion of the MOD - not for discussion of real-world issues.

No-one gets right of reply - any replies that follow this post that are not about the mod will be deleted, and the poster risks a ban. If you are unfortunate to post before you see this message, then use the edit button to change it.

i just want to say that i have nothing against the modder of the lh. and no problems with anyone making a lh like that one. the quality of it is good and it is nice to have modders who go to trouble to make them. Also, i guess i got to reading all of the political crap and got carried away. so i apologize if i offended anyone.

Okay thats alright, I don't think anyone was offended with you saying your opinions.

=/ It doesn't matter really if some media is conservative or liberal, or even primal for all I care. The only thing is that all news is biased, for two reasons.

1- Being human beings, we will alway retell information in a unique way no-matter how hard we try ((Such as if it is a positive or negative thing)).

2- Being a buissiness, media is going to report stuff that the viewers will like. That also means how they would but the spin on certain stories. Infact, they might simply with-hold stories.


This is why if you want the least bias media, you need to watch new channels from around the world, and then make your own conclusions.

Also, on an interesting Note, the Australians had a perfect record in WW2, and they won all of their battles.

Thank you moderator! Discussion of the mod and not politics was my original intention here, as formerly stated in the first post. However, I do realize that I discussed politics here as much as anyone else, and that was very hypocritical. I'd like to apologize for aiding the off-topic discussion and hope we can start over with a mod discussion that's as non-political as possible.

As I said before, I like the idea of this mod. Very well thought out, intricately detailed. Well done. my main reason for not using it is that I like Washington and Roosevelt better already. :)

Thanks for the compliment, but just to clarify, the mod isn't really meant to let you play as Bush, it's more of a way to destroy bush.

Oh I know. But sometimes I play as Egypt because I never see my own pic anyway. It's more of a "what do I want to look at for a week" rather than who I want to play as. :gp:

i think this is a funny mod discussion. on one hand, we have a hateful political mod being posed as something that is completely non-political... and if we talk about politics with a political mod, then we must censor all posts that discuss it. Please Robo, create a mod bashing a liberal for the sole purpose of DESTROYING him. I DARE YOU.

Destroying him? I don't think something that changes a picture and some text in a video game is going to destroy anything. I wouldn't even consider this hateful, that is, unless you consider the Boondocks, Doonesbury, or Mallard Fillmore hateful. For crying out loud this is basically just a political cartoon inserted into a pc game. If you're going to take out your anger on someone take it out on Thomas Nast.

Tell you what, I'll make a joke liberal LH making fun of someone from my own political wing to balance this out and stop oversensitive people from complaining. Any suggestions for the LH?

First of all, he's way over the top, especially for a conservative. He doesn't show much for my wing. But if you do want to make a liberal LH, I'd say Kerry. ;)

Well id say Kerry or Clinton.
Ahhh, think of the text that could be coded into the diplomacy reactions.

Any way to have H. Dean forget what city hes in?

yeah, good mod !!!
continue to satiric'mod, good concept...

think about Chirac, Putin, Blair, and Chavez (for the Bush friends /joke inside/)

Howard Dean or Kerry are my top prefs right now. Diplomacy text would be easy for Dean if he's ever furious with you:
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!"
- Howard Dean's "I Have a Scream" Speech

But I don't think I'll do Clinton. I kinda liked him personally. The Lewinski scandal was obviously bad, but compared to starting a war based on lies, or one against the middle eastern country that didn't attack the twin towers, I'd say it was a little blown out of proportion.

But I don't think I'll do Clinton. I kinda liked him personally. The Lewinski scandal was obviously bad, but compared to starting a war based on lies, or one against the middle eastern country that didn't attack the twin towers, I'd say it was a little blown out of proportion.

No, he just did nothing to prevent that country's emasculation - and bombed several other countries clandestinely, notably Serbia.

That's leaving aside his personal crookedness. It's a lonely fight in this country, but I prefer Bush to Clinton.

OK, come on. Let him do his modding in peace! Are you so sensitive that a joke about George Bush makes you this riled up? I'm conservative myself, but I can take a joke, here! This is not that big a deal!

Now let's stop getting off-topic and focus on the mod, thankyouverymuch.

@Depravo
I knew plenty of people would disagree with me there. My main point is just that I prefer Clinton over Bush. It's just my opinion, and you're entitled to yours just as I am to mine.

@Depravo
I knew plenty of people would disagree with me there. My main point is just that I prefer Clinton over Bush. It's just my opinion, and you're entitled to yours just as I am to mine.

Come let us drink at the well of plurality :goodjob:

Hey Robo, the file is not up there anymore or the link is broken.

Try again. I just tested it and it worked fine for me.

This George W. Bush mod is quite funny, especially the dialogue. I do however object strongly to one aspect of it. The fact that it says in his biography 'Lived: 1946-Hopefully, Very Soon'.

I am not a great fan of the presidency of George W. Bush and I believe the United States and the world would be better off if the American people had elected Al Gore or John Kerry instead. I do not like the man (or his policies), but I do not wish him harm in any way. I also do not want to see him dead. Every death is a great tragedy and wishing someone dead is not in the least bit funny.

This mod would be better off without this piece of text.

Does it really say that? Well, you can edit the 'Pedia or whatever says that. Then *pouf* no more bad text.

I wouldn't want to see that myself. And that's not merely because I'm partisan; it's because that makes the mod slightly partisan.

However, this does not change the fact that the mod was well-made. :)

would the world be a better place? Would the world be slightly safer?

A Civ IV mod won't make the world dangerous.

If president Bush were to die very soon, i.e. during his precidency, the precidency would automatically pass to his vice-president, Dick Cheney.

I seriously doubt that the world would be a safer place with Cheney in the White House. Not even 78-year old hunting buddies are safe from him, after all.

Moreover, I feel this part of the mod's humour is in very poor taste.

In hindsight, I do have to agree here. That comment was in bad taste. Besides, I DO NOT want to see Cheney as president, because he's both evil and smart. Anyway, I'll change that soon.

Why not try replacing religions with political parties next?
Somthing like:

Democrats
Republicans
Independents
Bush Administration (They sure don't act like normal republicans)
Etc.

Replacing religions with political parties might be a good idea. But even better would be to add political parties as late game religions. With technologies that found them and public speakers that spread them. It would make it more complex and realistic. Would come close to simulating current history.

If you wanted to fight the spread of communism, thats the mod you would need.

Aren't civics based on political ideas like parties are? Why not just have Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, etc. civics?

Aren't civics based on political ideas like parties are? Why not just have Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, etc. civics?

Because applying 21st-century American factional labels to the whole of civilisation makes no sense.

Yeah, unless it was a specifically American-style mod, otherwise seperating Democrats and Republicans doesn't even make sense. They're all liberals anyway, though not in the singular (strange), American sense.

Uh... no, not all America is liberal, no matter what they'd like to think. :mischief: However, you are correct: We can't really seperate Reps from Dems or anything else in this particular game. That would be a good idea in a game similar to Pharaoh, only America-based.

Info on Pharaoh: It's a city-building game similar to Sim City, except themed in Ancient Egypt. Basically, build a nation one city at a time. Very good game, esp. for a Civ fan. I doubt you can find it in stores anymore (I can't) but it was 10 USD last time I saw it, and it'll be about that on the Net or cheaper.

I meant Liberal in the sense that the rest of the world uses the word liberal, not the American usage.

Which one is it?

4 entries found for liberal.
lib·er·al P Pronunciation Key (lbr-l, lbrl)
adj.
Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.
Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.
Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation.
Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education.
Archaic. Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman.
Obsolete. Morally unrestrained; licentious.

n.
A person with liberal ideas or opinions.
Liberal A member of a Liberal political party.

[Middle English, generous, from Old French, from Latin lberlis, from lber, free. See leudh- in Indo-European Roots.]
liber·al·ly adv.
liber·al·ness n.
Synonyms: liberal, bounteous, bountiful, freehanded, generous, handsome, munificent, openhanded
These adjectives mean willing or marked by a willingness to give unstintingly: a liberal backer of the arts; a bounteous feast; bountiful compliments; a freehanded host; a generous donation; a handsome offer; a munificent gift; fond and openhanded grandparents. See also synonyms at broad-minded
Antonyms: stingy

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liberal

adj 1: showing or characterized by broad-mindedness; "a broad political stance"; "generous and broad sympathies"; "a liberal newspaper"; "tolerant of his opponent's opinions" [syn: broad, large-minded, tolerant] 2: having political or social views favoring reform and progress 3: tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition [ant: conservative] 4: given or giving freely; "was a big tipper"; "the bounteous goodness of God"; "bountiful compliments"; "a freehanded host"; "a handsome allowance"; "Saturday's child is loving and giving"; "a liberal backer of the arts"; "a munificent gift"; "her fond and openhanded grandfather" [syn: big, bighearted, bounteous, bountiful, freehanded, handsome, giving, openhanded] 5: not literal; "a loose interpretation of what she had been told"; "a free translation of the poem" [syn: free, loose] n 1: a person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties [syn: progressive] [ant: conservative] 2: a person who favors an economic theory of laissez-faire and self-regulating markets

:lol: Nice, nice...

I meant it in the sense of economic policy, the way liberal is used when (seriously) discussing political science. Hmmm, scanning through your lists...

"a person who favors an economic theory of laissez-faire and self-regulating markets"

Dems and Reps are liberals, and both have been invited to join...crap, can't think of the name of that world liberal organization in the UK.

@PerfectBlue
That's really interesting that liberal implies less government control over the economy in other parts of the world, with self-regulating markets and such. In America, as anyone from America and most people on this thread know, it's really the opposite, with democrats supporting the more populist ideals of government regulation of business, and republicans supporting an economic system based on self regulation.

But what parts of the world are you referring to? In Germany, for instance, the liberals and conservatives are liberal and conservative in the same sense as in America.

Democrat or Republican (American), they both favor "free" markets (capitalism, in essence). No matter what words might be passed about government controls, really, government controls tend to end up being government subsidies, tax cuts, etc; in essence, corporate welfare. Both Democrats and Republicans let the "free" markets rule, both favor far-reaching capitalism; recent examples are Clinton with NAFTA and GW with FTAA. And no one, on either side of those two parties is going to cut the corporate welfare; good example in that recent gas bill. Giving super rich oil corporations more taxpayer money, and both Democrats and Republicans were in favor.

Money controls the game. So, in the spirit of the "free" flow of capital, both parties are liberal.

Civics, Religions, Whatever. :rolleyes: Here's Every major political party in American history:

Democrats
Republicans
Federalists
Democratic-Republicans
Whigs
Independents

With the exception of Independents, each party listed had at least 1 American President supporting it.

I'd still like to see the following parties included, because even though they didn't have presidents in office, they still had substantial effects on American society:

Populists
Progressives/Bull Moose Party

And, throwing in the Libertarian, Socialist Workers' Party, or Democratic Socialists wouldn't hurt either.

About George Bush... I think he should say "All your oil are belong to US" when he declares war

Conservative Republican laughing right here! :lol:

Ha! Sounds good Hehehe. :lol:

hAUHUAHuAHuhaUhA!!! This is the best LH I see here in the forum!... The Geoge "War" Bush will invade this forum and say "This forum is controled by terrorist" and will Nuke our head!!!! hUAHuAHUA...

Hahahahaha hilarious hahahaha

U peepz kick ass thats fo shoooo

About George Bush... I think he should say "All your oil are belong to US" when he declares war

ahahhahhaha he indeed sounds like AI in real life too hahahaha

So, are you gonna make some sorta American political party mod? It would go well with this LH.

And the war quote should be:
"All of your oil belongs to us, but i'm telling everyone you have weapons of mass destruction" :lol:

Civics, Religions, Whatever. :rolleyes: Here's Every major political party in American history:

Democrats
Republicans
Federalists
Democratic-Republicans
Whigs
Independents

With the exception of Independents, each party listed had at least 1 American President supporting it.
Well, If I remember correctly... The Whigs thru out Tyler shortly after he assumed presidency when..(I wanna say harrison but all i remember is tippacanoe and tyler too slogan lol) died after a month of being president.. 2 hour inaugration speech(longest in history), and then dies a month later. But Tyler, as Vice President, assumed Presidency after Tippacanoe's Death, and was then kicked out of the Whig Party.. Officially making him an Independent President.

Also remember Teddy Roosevelt wasa republican, and when he ran for his 3rd term Taft took the Republican ticket, Forcing Teddy to form the BullMoose Party, now he wasnt a BullMoose in office, but he was after he left.

EDIT: Is Bush Playable? I'm just wondering because one of my friends wants to play as either GWB or RWR.

Yes Bush is playable.

And no one, on either side of those two parties is going to cut the corporate welfare; good example in that recent gas bill. Giving super rich oil corporations more taxpayer money, and both Democrats and Republicans were in favor.

Money controls the game.

I agree, it's sad how the UnitedStates has only two choices (Democractic or Republican) since independents and others never stand a chance. Surprisingly so many people are either intense pro-republican or intense pro-democratic... and usually lean towards bashing the other sides party members as a way of convincing themselves they've made the right choice.