This game continues from the Japan on Regent series. I will see after one game how hard Monarch is, and see if I can attempt Emperor.

Here is the link from the last game -

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=145623

Anyway, the game will be played on small, continents, 5 other civs, and no barbarians.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/1595/m10003vw.jpg

I do not have accelerated production on.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/2022/m10013gn.jpg

Starting position is not too bad, one luxury and a water source.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/7149/m10028fu.jpg

Exploring, I have found the Romans to the south.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9421/m10038wj.jpg

Two turns later I meet the Germans.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/1194/m10043vf.jpg

The north appears empty, so I need to expand to the south for now.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9277/m10057rg.jpg

I get my first settler by 3000BC.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9972/m10061kx.jpg

The Germans are farther south, I am starting to believe that only the three of us are on this continent.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/1813/m10073di.jpg

The Zulu, the Arabs, and the Portuguese are somewhere else.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9200/m10083sr.jpg

I get my second tech, I am doing well.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/7351/m10098au.jpg

Next time - Will I be able to beat the AI in terms of expansion, science, and military?

The first game save -
113920

First to reply!! :D Yes! Yes! Yes! Japan is back!!! but the pics arent showing up

Oh wait nevermind I see them now.
Well, the top half are but the lower ones aren't.

They should work, just keep hitting refresh.

I'm the second poster in this thread! (conquer dude is the first). Glad to know you started a new story, stocktracker. How are you going (or planning) to win? Domination? Conquest?

How are you going (or planning) to win? Domination? Conquest?

If I play a good game, Domination victory will come up first. Since this is my first game, I will take any victory that comes along.

I loved the regent series. Can't wait to see how this game turns out.

Yeah, the pics are showing up now.

That continent of yours is going to get crowded. Monarch difficulty, there will be some heck of wars.

That continent of yours is going to get crowded. Monarch difficulty, there will be some heck of wars.


With Germany and the Romans both being militaristic civilizations, wars will be frequent. The Romans also have an early UU, and they are the closest to me!

With Germany and the Romans both being militaristic civilizations, wars will be frequent. The Romans also have an early UU, and they are the closest to me!

Ouch. The Romans (along with the Greeks) have the strongest defense units in the ancient times. Are you going to rush them before they have a chance to build those legionaries?

(Or you could hope they don't have iron :D)

I think if you had have higher AI agression, there would be more AI to AI wars. Watch the little ants fights while you prepare your great attack.:evil:

I think if you had have higher AI agression, there would be more AI to AI wars. Watch the little ants fights while you prepare your great attack.:evil:
Yeah but if you don't trade AI''s get mad.
So much for your great attack.:rolleyes:

Thats not how it works in my games...and the ai's dont care if you dont trade.:p

If it were up to me (which it isnt), i'd wait until samurai before i attack the romans. But if the dont have iron, they belong in graves as early as possible.

If it were up to me (which it isnt), i'd wait until samurai before i attack the romans. But if the dont have iron, they belong in graves as early as possible.

With enough troops, the Romans will fall.

My third city is built, and I am one turn away from getting Iron Working.

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/874/m10108gw.jpg

Germany got their second city quickly, so they have the highest score.

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/1073/m10116lp.jpg

I don't want Germany slowing down my expansion, that will allow the Romans to grab too much land.

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/9903/m10129ga.jpg

Germany is inspecting my territory, how long will it be before the Germans drive me crazy?

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/2108/m10136ll.jpg

In a matter of turns, my empire swells to a nice size.

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/4465/m10142bz.jpg

The Romans have iron right by their capital, and I don't have any.

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/6218/m10151jk.jpg

So far, the Germans don't seem like they have any.

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/6166/m10168ms.jpg

Germany is an scientific power, they are three techs over me.

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/6695/m10179ma.jpg

The expansion phase of the game is ending, and war may break out soon.

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/314/m10182ut.jpg

I am in the middle, it will take a long time to top Germany.

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/1820/m10190rs.jpg

Next time - Who will win the first war?

Yes! The Japan Series Returns!

I'm actually thinking of doing my own story in the Stories and Tales part of this forum. I like your style of doing these threads, very nicely done.

I would have built Tokyo further from the capital. The best position would have been IMO one tile to the east and another one to the south-east. But it's already to late for that.
Good Luck in beating those guys. I make MUCH better games at Monarch when I'm surrounded by AI's to conquer. I achieved my earliest Monarch Conquest victory at 1000 AD starting on a small continent with all the other civs there and only Germany alone on a bigger continent. So I have great expectations for this game! Japan is a good civ, so you really have big chances.

I'm actually thinking of doing my own story in the Stories and Tales part of this forum.

You should, over this weekend only two games have been updated. Things have been slow lately.

The best position would have been IMO one tile to the east and another one to the south-east.

It could have helped, but it won't be a major problem. You will see why in the next update.

Good luck. :)
*subscribed*

Oh no... the war is starting. I would really try as much as I could to rush the barracks and the units before the Romans find out that there is iron there, or before they road it. If you're ahead of the Romans in tech, you could trade give them some techs (not iron working if they don't have it) and then ask for their workers so it would take a while for them to road it, then declare war right after you trade. It seems like a good idea.
Althoug I'm doubting that the Romans will take the time to even build a road compared to the huge number of roads they have now.:lol:

Anyway, it's up to you to lead the Japs into world domination.

Great to see people moving up in levels, I love the story because of all the pics

Yeah yah gotta love that.

Looking at the tech tree, I am moving at a good pace.

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/2885/m10209zu.jpg

A map of the Romans and Germany.

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/3269/m10215xg.jpg

As the first wonders are being built, the Portuguese get the Colossus.

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/7724/m10222kq.jpg

I have 14 cities, but most of them are very tightly packed.

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/2913/m10233au.jpg

A galley has found somewhere else to settle.

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/8223/m10248bv.jpg

The Zulu get the Oracle, not much of a deal.

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/3262/m10257gh.jpg

The Romans get the Pyramids, maybe I will have that someday!

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/9411/m10260we.jpg

Troops have stacked up along three Roman cities, they are all defended with Spearmen, so it should be no trouble.

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/4153/m10274fi.jpg

The cities I want to get are only size 1 and have no culture, so I need to get settlers to go down there.

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/111/m10282ny.jpg

That was easy!

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/559/m10296va.jpg

Next time - Will I get to the land before the Germans get to it?

Looking at the tech tree, I am moving at a good pace.

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/2885/m10209zu.jpg


Do you know about Republic slingshot? On monarch-emperor you can do it pretty easy: just research CoL before Philosophy, and take Republic for free. Republic is the most expensive tech in Ancient Ages, and it gives very powerfull goverment.

Do you know about Republic slingshot?

Yes, I do. But in a republic war weariness is a problem with the almost constant wars. Military support is expensive as well and eats away all of the benefits. Most of my towns won't get above size 6 for a long time, so Monarchy is a better substitute.

Woohooo!
Update. Nice job, stock. :goodjob:

Go stocktracker.:goodjob: You rule!!!:clap:

Germany gets a worthless wonder, but they are in the lead in culture. No one else is really competing. My culture is lower than the Romans, and they only have four cities.

http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/81/m10307zx.jpg

The Romans are moving those units in, I won't gain much more ground.

http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/416/m10319ab.jpg

So, a peace treaty is signed and I get some more technology and a city.

http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/7541/m10329cp.jpg

It sits below Germany, corruption will be over 90%, so I set up a scientist.

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/484/m10332ao.jpg

The war seemed like it made Germany stronger, but they did not gain any more cities.

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/6027/m10344vl.jpg

Before I start another war with the Romans, I need Swordmen first.

http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/789/m10351uo.jpg

Germany has noticed some unsettled land and they are trying to go for it. I did make it harder for them to go though.

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/29/m10363qg.jpg

Germany had only 100 gold, I gave them some to get up to polite.

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/5138/m10377je.jpg

I beat Germany to that land, so I only have one city left to build.

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/4981/m10383ja.jpg

I get that city built, now I can get access to iron, but the Romans have built another city.

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/2208/m10399av.jpg

Next time - Will Germany become mad at me after I become tech leader?

No, thats never happened to me. BTW WOW. The Romans built a road. Thats a first. You should surprise attack the mine/road and then attack the city and kill kill kill. :mad:

And they're back! Great read so far and I'm looking forward to more.

I have entered the next age. Germany is one tech behind, while the Romans still have a few to go.

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/1968/m10408bp.jpg

Germany is big, they have many large cities.

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/8718/m10411pe.jpg

Since I have no iron hooked up yet, this shows that Germany does not have any.

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/2433/m10429px.jpg

Germany would likely ask for currency sometime, I decided to get 18 gold and better relations with them.

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/5475/m10434jt.jpg

With Germany's high culture and number of cities, they have the score lead. I have the power lead with my high number of archers.

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/3894/m10445vi.jpg

This clears another wonder, at least the Germans did not get it.

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/2030/m10457fu.jpg

All production on archers are stopped and is switched to swordmen.

http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/9775/m10463jb.jpg

Germany asks for money, and I give it to them as always. If I take out the Romans, they may have to treat me better.

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/9822/m10375if.jpg

The 20 turns for peace has expired. Another war with the Romans will start soon!

http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/957/m10481nv.jpg

This could become a problem...

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/9603/m10496mo.jpg

Next time - What will happen in the second war with the Romans?

LOL at the foreign advisor. Hail to the shogun baby!

The Hail to the Shogun phenomenon! Well, I suppose it's not a phenomenon, but it's still funny.

By the way, Stocktracker, you've convinced me. In the next week or so, I plan to post a story here in the Stories & Tales part of this forum! Since I like the style that you use, I'll probably set up the pics like you have. If anyone wants to come check it out, be my guest! It will be my first story ever. I'll probably use Scandinavia.

Cody

If you're as good as him, I will. :p

By the way, Stocktracker, you've convinced me. In the next week or so, I plan to post a story here in the Stories & Tales part of this forum! Since I like the style that you use, I'll probably set up the pics like you have. If anyone wants to come check it out, be my guest! It will be my first story ever. I'll probably use Scandinavia.


I'll be watching it. What difficulty will it be on?

Prob regent since he watched your regent series. Dunno thats up to him. :)

^ Or probably Sid! :)

No, stocktracker! Leave at least one Roman city in the world! Rome is my most-played civ!

Leave the Romans with Rome.:p

Leave the Romans with Rome.

If I leave Rome, they still have some iron to build those legionaries. They also have the Pyramids there, something that I could use.

My second war on the Romans begins. They only have 5 cities left.

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/6784/m10505kz.jpg

That was a city they built after the first war, it was very easy to take.

http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/8301/m10511mj.jpg

With this, I can get better military units.

http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/5900/m10522li.jpg

I doubt anymore tech trading will be going on between me and Germany.

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/7314/m10535hh.jpg

I get a leader, and I take Neapolis.

http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/4162/m10547xw.jpg

With a stack of 15 archers and swordsmen, I take Rome and get the Pyramids!

http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/7775/m10555ni.jpg

With the Great Leader, I build the Forbidden Palace, a war with Germany is a long way off.

http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/6636/m10565xq.jpg

Running low on troops, I sign a peace treaty with the Romans. However, I got a city out of the deal.

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/9621/m10576dl.jpg

Getting the Palace reduced the time to get a tech by about 15%.

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/2796/m10586so.jpg

The Romans only have one city left, but they do have horses.

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/5949/m10597py.jpg

Next time - Can I find any other trading partners than Germany?

No they will wventually have to die to the almighty stocktracker. It is time to take down Rome. Dont listen to mirc. Cmon why didnt you do it it was just one city with probably most crappy defences.

No they will wventually have to die to the almighty stocktracker. It is time to take down Rome. Dont listen to mirc. Cmon why didnt you do it it was just one city with probably most crappy defences.


Germany was in the way. If I took Veii, they still would have Pompeii. I don't want to make anymore deals with the Germans unless I have to. And I did play the game a few days ago, so Mirc did not change my decision.

Oh yeah I didnt think of that. Smart move.

I'll be watching it. What difficulty will it be on?

It will most likely be on Regent. Can't wait to get started!

Whatd I tell ya? :rolleyes:

BTW, everyone here, IT WAS JUST A JOKE!!!!!

Haha, conquer_dude. I don't dare try monarch for fear of making a fool of myself, lol.

After my second war with the Romans, I am about twice as powerful as the Germans.

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7372/m10603dv.jpg

My boat notices some purple territory on another island.

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6687/m10611du.jpg

It is Portugal, a nation with eight cities. They will become a good trading partner after this deal!

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/6122/m10624ys.jpg

On the next turn, I meet the Zulus.

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/428/m10630rc.jpg

They have less to offer, but I do want to switch to Monarchy sometime.

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/7757/m10642xz.jpg

The western end of the empire is growing rapidly after I captured the Pyramids.

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/3871/m10658sr.jpg

The Portuguese get a good wonder, I should stay at peace with them. But they can only attack cities on the eastern end of the empire.

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/3346/m10663vs.jpg

I meet Arabia and they are even farther behind, but they have more cities.

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/1923/m10674pc.jpg

The Portuguese get another expensive wonder, the second in three turns.

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/8688/m10682qq.jpg

Finally, some trading is going on between me and Germany. They don't have any iron, so invading them may be easier than invading the Romans.

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/4536/m10693sn.jpg

Next time - Will I control my entire continent by the beginning of the Industrial Age?

YES!! I command you to!

You might want to take out the Romans first, I guess.

You should be able to control it even faster. Monarch is not a hard difficulty, where you face hundreds of units. Also in the IA on harder levels the wars are much harder, because the AI has railroads.

Monarch isnt much harder than Regent if you remember to build an army. You shouldnt have a problem stocktracker.

The Zulus get another wonder. By the time I get to them, it will be worthless.

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/9056/m10709be.jpg

Two stacks of units have been set up to prepare for the upcoming war with the Romans and the Germans.

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/295/m10711ct.jpg

17 units in that stack, the other one is slightly bigger.

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/9484/m10723kb.jpg

The 20 turns for peace has expired, so I am going to put them out of their misery.

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/448/m10736oq.jpg

It didn't take much, but they did have a few of their UU's in their city.

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/7065/m10742qe.jpg

One civ is gone from the original six.

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/5855/m10759to.jpg

Got an embassy in Mecca, I want to sign a Right of Passage with them.

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/5862/m10760sr.jpg

I got some money for it, I do have the bigger land area.

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/7110/m10776si.jpg

In a few turns, I will top Germany for score.

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/9695/m10787tm.jpg

The tech rate is going fast. I can get one tech in less than 10 turns.

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/6024/m10797sa.jpg

Next time - Will a war start with the Germans?

Yes! Yes! Yes! Update!! :D

And, yes kick them German buttocks!:D

I'm wondering when you're going to run out of Japanese city names. When will Neo-Tokyo be founded?

When will Neo-Tokyo be founded?

I'm going to build some more cities after my next war, so it shouldn't take too long.

Are you going to wait for knights before attacking Germany or go with MI?

Great story btw

Are you going to wait for knights before attacking Germany or go with MI?


Since the Samurai is my unique unit, and it replaces the Knight, I will build a few of them once I get Chivalry. I will use them to trigger a golden age, nothing more.

Stocktracker, what type of victory are you going for in this game?

Stocktracker, what type of victory are you going for in this game?

I am going for domination, conquest is harder when you fight the AI overseas.

Yeah, I hate sendong troops over to fight. It makes me so frustrated.

I'd say it depends on the size of the other continents. If it is bigger than your home continent, domination is arguably harder than conquest. It's a real hassle to send troops over there to fight, but it's even more of a hassle to send settlers over to color the map after you've killed the enemies.

:( Congratulations... :( for ... :( destroying... :( the Romans... :(

I was joking, of course! I don't care for a stupid AI, I'm happy that you are closer to victory :).

Now I'm serious again: Are you planning to attack Germany soon?

Now I'm serious again: Are you planning to attack Germany soon?

Yes, and since the Germans don't have any iron, they will be easy to get.

Expansion has completely stopped, so I need to find a new way to get more land.

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/4131/m10800pp.jpg

After Germany is gone, I think I will leave Portugal alone for awhile.

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6006/m10811jz.jpg

Two entertainers! You could make a scientist out of one of them!

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/6852/m10828jn.jpg

Two piles of units have stacked up near Germany's border. I am hoping to get a few core cities out of this war.

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/371/m10834ga.jpg

One stack is heading for Leipzig, and another is heading for Hannover.

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/8448/m10842jl.jpg

I take Hannover, but the Germans are unsuccessful at getting Pompeii.

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/4802/m10854ry.jpg

Germany's defense is pathetic, it is no match for my units.

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/8205/m10869qp.jpg

Germany has gotten far enough along in the tech tree to get a decent offensive unit that doesn't need Iron.

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/7851/m10875hl.jpg

I only need one more city from the Germans to surpass them in score.

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/7070/m10882yq.jpg

Hey, a free wonder!

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/1926/m10895fj.jpg

Next time - How much of Germany will fall to me?

Sun Tzu's will be a nice gift!

Sun Tzu's Art of War has the militaristic trait. Will this put Germany into a golden age?

(I doubt it will make much of a difference when you're taking city after city from them though.)

Sun Tzu's Art of War has the militaristic trait. Will this put Germany into a golden age?

The Germans have built the Great Library, and they are scientific. I think the Golden Age was triggered there.

Oh, well nice update and looking for more. :D

The Germans have built the Great Library, and they are scientific. I think the Golden Age was triggered there.

No, they needed the Militaristic part. A Golden Age can only be trigerred by...


Attacking with the Unique Unit

Building wonders with the civ's traits(note, you need to have made wonders that says: "may trigger golden age for "trait", the trait being the one of your or the AI ).

After destroying Germany you will be alone on that continent!

Attacking with the Unique Unit
Winning a battle with a UU may trigger GA, not only attacking with it.

@Mirc:Yes, thank you, my mistake.

Hey, a free wonder!

:lol:

Winning a battle with a UU may trigger GA, not only attacking with it.

A UU will never trigger a GA when defeating a barbarian, though.

You are right.

@AtK: No need to apologize. :)

Germany is not too desperate for peace.

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/9505/m10903wy.jpg

The Germans have gotten far enough that they don't need iron for a decent defensive unit anymore.

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/6859/m10915os.jpg

A big stack of units are heading towards Heidelburg, while a smaller stack is heading towards Berlin.

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5831/m10920jh.jpg

I get my third city from Germany.

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6774/m10937fe.jpg

Meanwhile, the other stack attack some units and I got another Great Leader.

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/8741/m10940fh.jpg

I get the German capital, Berlin. The Great Library has expired, so it has no use for me.

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/7807/m10952sb.jpg

I build an embassy in Zimbabwe so I can sign a right of passage with the Zulus.

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5488/m10964rz.jpg

Germany finally wants a peace treaty, and I am happy in what I am getting.

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/5300/m10978al.jpg

My science is advancing quickly, it is outpacing other rivals.

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/7049/m10985xi.jpg

During the war, I took four German cities. I expected them to attack and destroy some of the cities I got from the Romans, but they failed to do that. At the end of this war, I am the sole superpower.

http://img274.imageshack.us/img274/6702/m10992lk.jpg

Next time - Will I focus some time on other nations besides Germany?

Nice story. You should make that army of muskets if you get acces to saltpeter.

Defensive army is useless in this king of game ;)

Yes, defensive army will not help stocktracker, he is a warmonger, not a peacemonger.:evil: You should make that a samurai army. :devil:

EVERYONE! I have started my Story! It's in the Stories and Tales forum! It's called Scandinavia on Chieftan! It would really be great if you could check it out.

Cody

Defensive army is useless in this king of game ;)
Oh dang muskets are defence units? I thought they were more 50 50.:lol:

Cody I would put that in your sig, plus stocktraker's story is not for advertisements.;)

It'll probably be best that you wipe out Germany before attacking other nations. You don't want a two front war on two seperate continents.

Good job!
Why do you have so many cities building Wealth? You are wasting some shields, I think.
Good luck with your game!

The cities building wealth are all so corrupted that one shield per turn would take forever to build anything of use. Instead, he uses them to pad his economy. Although, stocktracker, you should get some workers over there and make more use of them by irrigating everything and setting up some scientist/merchant farms.

Those cities could be used to build cats/trebs, settlers or boats. NEVER build wealth in the middle of game, there are much things which can boost your economy.

Those cities could be used to build cats/trebs, settlers or boats. NEVER build wealth in the middle of game, there are much things which can boost your economy.

Yes, it is a good idea for settlers, but for other units, they become obsolete so quickly. Since I will be in Monarchy, I have to pay for excess units if I go over my quota.

This is one wonder I did not want Germany to get!

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/3285/m11003md.jpg

Germany has troops within my border, and I forced them to withdrawal.

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/6224/m11018mr.jpg

A look at some newly explored lands around the east.

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5332/m11025vr.jpg

Northern cities are full, but they have no culture. I think only two or three cities have any culture at all.

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2122/m11032sv.jpg

I need to get this to explore around them, and I make some money in the process.

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/2821/m11047tq.jpg

Now it only takes 5 or 6 turns to research a tech, I am moving much faster than the AI.

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/8109/m11051ey.jpg

Despotism is getting old, I want to boost trade in my northern cities.

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/971/m11068uu.jpg

Portugal still has a lot of money to flash around.

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/9738/m11071fk.jpg

Only 7 turns until the next German war starts.

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3799/m11085bp.jpg

That sounds good to me!

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/6826/m11096kj.jpg

Next time - Will I control the Western Hemisphere by A.D. 1000?

You was still in Despotism in 730 AD? :eek: :eek:
Revolt immediatly when you get a goverment with tech ;)

I usually stay in despotism til I really need a gov change, around when stocktraker is changing.

You are doing wrong... First priority in game should be go out of despotism.
Ok, for you maybe it work well, on regent :p

GGGGrrRRRrrrRRR :lol:

Let's stop spamming his thread...

Also, don't build temples. Even with religious trait, they just waste shields, especially in the middle of your continent.

First priority in game should be go out of despotism.

Unit support in Despotism is 4/4/4, while unit support in Monarchy is 2/4/8. I have tons of small towns, so changing to Monarchy right away can cause a big drag on the economy. Later, small towns become cities, and I build more towns to offset the difference.

I usually go out of despotism when I see that my empire will not financially suffer because of excessive units or sadness.:)

GGGGrrRRRrrrRRR
No offence, conquer_dude, I just want to teach you how to play well.
You might ask, why you should revolt ASAP? I will answer: because despotism have penalty for each food, shield, or commerce if tile is already producing more then 2 of them. For example if tile is producing 4 food, you will get only 3. Republic don't have this penalty, and for addition it adds one comerce for every tile which already producing more then one. Monarchy don't have this bonuce, so republic is the best goverment early in the game.
You can say: "I don't like republic because of high unit support cost". Then irrigate few grassland tiles (in despotism it's useless, but not in republic), and your cities will grow to size 7+, which will triple the number of free units.

Thats all, I think, we started too much OT in this thread ( :mischief: )
If you have any questions, ask them in the GD forum :)

You might ask, why you should revolt ASAP?

Stocktracker in particular has no excuse because Japan is religious :D

Sometimes I delay the government transition by a few turns if there's a wonder I'm working on and I think the AI is very close, and I fear the civil disorder would cost me. But otherwise I'd agree, ASAP. The commerce bonus from republic should offset the unit support costs, or if you are in monarchy, you might be able to pick up on that third gold in some tiles that get penalized when you are in despotism.

Let's stop spamming his thread...

Also, don't build temples. Even with religious trait, they just waste shields, especially in the middle of your continent.
In the mid of a continent.

But seriously it helps a buttload with domination. Think of all the settler shields you are saving.:p

Wow, nice tech pace!:) :goodjob:

In the mid of a continent.

But seriously it helps a buttload with domination. Think of all the settler shields you are saving.:p

Settlers cost half as much as a temple unless your religious. so youd actually be saving more shields building settlers.

Great story stocktracker! I look forward to the next episode.

Also, don't build temples.
I agree with that, you can build libraries in the core, they will do the same job with culture, but also will boost your research.

I have tons of small towns, so changing to Monarchy right away can cause a big drag on the economy.
And now I recall that I forgot about Feudalism. Usually, nobody use it, but it is good goverment if you have a lot of small towns, because all towns (size <7) have unit support of 5 and it is even better then in monarchy. With religious trait you can change goverment to Feudalism to remove despotic penalty and increase unit support. When your cities will grow, revolt and go to Monarchy or Republic, because cities (size>=7) on Feudalism have only 2 free units.

Also, if you are religious you can afford more govt changes.

Also, if you are religious you can afford more govt changes.
That's why I said about feudalism - religious civ can afford temporary goverment change, for example I sometimes go to Monarchy with Celts to do early wars and avoid despotic golden age. Then I revolt to Republic and continue that game like a normal one.
It is a waste of REL trait if you wait for better goverment instead of changing it immediatly, you get only one turn of anarchy.

Most of the larger cities in the Eastern Hemisphere are towards the south. Seen here, smaller cities are up north.

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/3341/m11101xm.jpg

That is a wonder I could use, why couldn't Germany build it?

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/2003/m11117hh.jpg

It if wasn't for those colonies, I would have refused.

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/8005/m11128cc.jpg

My attacking force which will go into Germany soon...

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/4566/m11136ov.jpg

During the twenty turns of peace, I have built up my military and I have got a tech lead over Germany. All of the German cities that I captured from the last war have been starved to prevent rioting.

http://img311.imageshack.us/img311/7311/m11144nk.jpg

They attack my Samurai, and I get into a golden age.

http://img311.imageshack.us/img311/9761/m11155hr.jpg

Germany sends a small stack of Crusaders to try to kill off some of my units.

http://img311.imageshack.us/img311/3560/m11165vq.jpg

With 90% science, techs can be researched in 4 turns.

http://img311.imageshack.us/img311/700/m11171kz.jpg

The first German city falls easily.

http://img311.imageshack.us/img311/6664/m11181ex.jpg

I didn't get much more out of this city. That wonder is useless.

http://img311.imageshack.us/img311/9628/m11196il.jpg

Next time - The war continues, but can Germany find anyway to stop me?

Nope, cant stop stocktracker, the influence of many other games. ;)

I was wondering why none of the cities with all those wonders are culture-flipping back to Germany, but then I checked again and saw you had cultural conversions disabled.

Sneaky. :lol:

I was wondering why none of the cities with all those wonders are culture-flipping back to Germany, but then I checked again and saw you had cultural conversions disabled.

Thanks Sima Qian, I did not know that. I doubt it will make a huge difference in this game. I will mark it in all future games.

I looked in the city of Hamburg, and I saw it had the Sun Tzu's Art of War in it. Why couldn't it show that when I took over the city? It is a much more useful wonder!

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/9734/m11205ht.jpg

Germany needs to give me more than that to sign a peace treaty with them. I am getting back at them after all of the threats they gave me!

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/3053/m11215dt.jpg

My right of passage is becoming worth something.

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6531/m11228ec.jpg

My score is above Germany's and my power is equal to the other four remaining civilizations.

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/341/m11237su.jpg

Running farther into Germany, I take over Cologne.

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6956/m11245vx.jpg

By A.D. 1000, I control 1/3 of the world's land, and I also control 1/2 of the world's population.

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1907/m11259fo.jpg

I actually don't know why I took this screenshot, I guess was excited about the war.

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/7987/m11263jv.jpg

Germany's western section is completely gone.

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6148/m11275to.jpg

The southern part of my empire keeps getting bigger and bigger.

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5938/m11286fb.jpg

And Germany has lost its ability at getting Crusaders, it is almost the final nail in the coffin for Germany.

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/7354/m11293dn.jpg

Next time - Can I keep my estimate of controlling the Western Hemisphere by A.D. 1000?

Did you remember to sell all your barracks before taking Sun Tzu's? I always forget to do that in my games (same with granaries and pyramids) :(

Did you remember to sell all your barracks before taking Sun Tzu's? I always forget to do that in my games (same with granaries and pyramids)

No, but the amount of money you get for barracks isn't very high anyway. But on the higher levels, that could hurt me. For the pyramids it didn't matter for the fact I had no granaries. Thanks for the tip.

Nice update, and the Germans are down to their last city over there, right? They have no colonies?

Nice update, and the Germans are down to their last city over there, right? They have no colonies?

No, they have three cities left. One is below Munich, one is on an island that I can get to, and they still have the capital.

I looked in the city of Hamburg, and I saw it had the Sun Tzu's Art of War in it. Why couldn't it show that when I took over the city? It is a much more useful wonder!

I'm not positive, but when capturing a city, it may show you the wonder that was built first in that city. The Mauseleum was most likely built before Sun Tzu's.

Did you remember to sell all your barracks before taking Sun Tzu's? I always forget to do that in my games (same with granaries and pyramids) :(

Personally, i dont do that because i dont want to lose the city which had SunTzu and then lose every barracks i had.

Nope, cant stop stocktracker, the influence of many other games. ;)


:lol: hahaha yep!

Update?
.

As the war with Germany continues, it is clearly shown that Germany doesn't have much of a chance left.

http://img499.imageshack.us/img499/8507/m11308of.jpg

Not very much is in this city, but it is better than nothing.

http://img499.imageshack.us/img499/503/m11314ox.jpg

Having about three times as much land than any other nation is paying off.

http://img499.imageshack.us/img499/8514/m11326xb.jpg

Germany had this city on an island, but I managed to find it and conquer it.

http://img499.imageshack.us/img499/3394/m11330nt.jpg

My army has reached the German capital, and their last city.

http://img499.imageshack.us/img499/6494/m11340wh.jpg

Without much effort the city falls to me.

http://img499.imageshack.us/img499/9098/m11355eq.jpg

I did accomplish my goal of getting the entire Western Hemisphere by A.D. 1000. As for Germany, I am happy that I don't have to deal with them anymore.

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/2782/m11364so.jpg

A look at the north, which has contributed heavily into science and military.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7851/m11377vf.jpg

The east does provide some science, but they can't manufacture anything worthwhile.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1653/m11387bw.jpg

The south is newly conquered, more cities will be built down there. When Railroads come around, it will be a scientific powerhouse.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/843/m11397mt.jpg

Next time - Which one of the eastern nations does something to make me mad? It does make for a good laugh.

I wouldnt risk going to a war over there until you protect your colonies.

Yes, leaving those eastern colony cities guarded so lightly is not a good idea. You're leaving yourself open for a surprise attack over there.

Signing a MA with a civ on the same continent as the civ you declared war on will keep over 90% of the military occupied in land war. They wont even bother to attack overseas.

Ive had them do that before. I made a military allience with (The Mongols I think) and they attacked overseas, and took two cities, but they were capture right back.

Ive had them do that before. I made a military allience with (The Mongols I think) and they attacked overseas, and took two cities, but they were capture right back.

If they do attack overseas, they normally use a couple of leftover units that can be killed pretty quickly.

Since Germany is gone, I need to use other markets to gain money. Portugal wants horses, I think it is a good reason to keep good relations with them.

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/3177/m11400sv.jpg

I also sell horses to Arabia, although they are my first target.

http://img314.imageshack.us/img314/890/m11419cc.jpg

Next turn comes around and Portugal declares war on me. That is a surprise, but I can handle it. I still have about 30 units sitting around after the war on Germany. The Portuguese attacked me with two regular warriors. My invading force on Germany was 50 times more powerful!

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/381/m11420zh.jpg

The Portuguese have failed to target my colony island, which is lightly defended.

http://img314.imageshack.us/img314/4853/m11433ds.jpg

I need at least one ally to help me on the war, so I pick Arabia.

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/9250/m11445fe.jpg

The Zulu's get another huge culture wonder, the Sistine Chapel.

http://img314.imageshack.us/img314/9096/m11451cn.jpg

The Portuguese have landed attacking units on my colony island, but Cavalry have arrived to take care of that.

http://img314.imageshack.us/img314/9207/m11468nl.jpg

The Zulu are not giving me a good price on this, but I want it anyway.

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/2877/m11475ih.jpg

The Golden Age has ended, there goes the days of four turns per tech.

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/3370/m11480ks.jpg

My first major victory against the Portuguese has got me the upper hand in this war.

http://img314.imageshack.us/img314/5816/m11498aa.jpg

Next time - As Japan advances into the Industrial Age, how powerful will they become?

You mean you?

Nice to see an update, looking forward to more.

Is that a Portuguese city at the southern end of your colony island? I thought you'd go for that first, but maybe you can squeeze it out of them in a peace treaty.

Attacking a colony city live Evora would be useless. Instead, I think he headed near the core of their land first. Or I might be wrong and he just happened to have some units near there first :p

They also have colony cities to the north of mine, I am sending units to deal with that.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6703/civ55zx.jpg

It would be okay to take that colony on his colony continent so they dont make a unit and take some cities.

you had your core protected with single warriors in one picture (shivers)

After Portugal, are you going to declare war on anyone else? Also, are you going to just kill Portugal, or if they beg for Peace will you give it to them?

you had your core protected with single warriors in one picture (shivers)


I'm sure the AI is too dumb to know about that.

After Portugal, are you going to declare war on anyone else? Also, are you going to just kill Portugal, or if they beg for Peace will you give it to them?


Even if Portugal goes, I still need to go to war with someone else to hit my domination victory. I am leaning to declare war against the Zulus because Arabia is helping me out. Portugal is too much of a loose cannon if I keep them around, and I think I have enough troops to get rid of them.

Well, watch out for the Zulu walls, though, I'd recommend to take out Arabia, they can get quite annoying...

Alright, sounds good! Me likee!

Nice story stocktracker ... but I have to say: you seem more than ready to take on emperor, or even more difficult. There is more to learn by losing once in a while, than by winning all the time.

There is more to learn starting at early levels. ;)

Maybe somebody is playing on low levels for a long time, but I've done it so: I played in vanilla on chieftain for a long time, but when I got C3C I moved directly to monarch. When I have won my first Monarch game I started playing on demigod. Of course I won only after few failed tries.
I'd say - one DG/deity lose will teach you more then 10 monarch wins. Standing on low levels, you will create a win strategy which can't be used on high levels. And it is hard to relearn things again...

I'm sure that "Japan on Emperor" series will come in soon :)

Oh I'm sure it will after he plays to or three like he did with amazing one and only Japan on Regent series.

Oh I'm sure it will after he plays to or three like he did with amazing one and only Japan on Regent series.
I'm sure that "Japan on Emperor" series will come in soon

If I win this, a move up to Emperor is certain. This game has been easier than any of the Regent games.

I am about 4 or 5 techs ahead of the other civilizations.

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/7907/m11503tw.jpg

Portugal has one of these floating around, why do the UU's cause so many problems for me?

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/462/m11510rj.jpg

I got total control over my colony island, and it is another blow for the Portuguese.

http://img321.imageshack.us/img321/1341/m11521td.jpg

Arabia gets most of the wonders these days, I am not even trying.

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/8357/m11531wq.jpg

I start targeting more of Portugal's colonies.

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/6082/m11549au.jpg

Military support is about break even, but that may soon change.

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/6829/m11556ku.jpg

Portugal wants a peace treaty and they don't offer me anything, I find that insulting!

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/396/m11567wn.jpg

Portugal has 4 or 5 cities left, I got all of the colonies.

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5946/m11575kx.jpg

As you can tell, I have about 1/3 of Arabia's culture. But I have 150% more land, and 200% more people.

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/4306/m11586st.jpg

The other nations don't stand much of a chance compared to my power.

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/4688/m11591ot.jpg

Next time - A war will start with someone else, who is it?

Will you play a second monarch game on a huge map with all AI's or go directly to emperor?

What do you mean when you say "colonies"? I thought that's what you built when you couldn't get to a resource lol. Are you just talking about cities on an island?

Will you play a second monarch game on a huge map with all AI's or go directly to emperor?

I plan to play an emperor game if I win this one.

What do you mean when you say "colonies"? I thought that's what you built when you couldn't get to a resource lol. Are you just talking about cities on an island?

Colonies in this game are cities that just take up space so the AI doesn't build cities there. They provide boosts in science and unit support, but nothing else.

Oooohhhh. I see. Lol.

They can also mean cities without connection to their homeland border too. ;)

Attack Arabia next.:D

Great update.:goodjob:

I plan to play an emperor game if I win this one.

Emperor is a big step up from Monarch IMO. I've just started plaing on Emperor, and I can take out a neighbour or 2, but i end up so far behind in tech i cant catch up.

Kill them! Attack anything, just don't make peace! :)

Good luck with emperor, I'm sure, you will beat it too :thumbsup:
Imho monarch >> emperor isn't SO big step. Extra sellters is a huge advantage for AI, and it get them when you move from emperor to DG, or from deity to Sid... After those jumps you must rethink about win strategy...

I also think Monarch > Emperor isn't a big step. I find Regent > Monarch a big step, but it seems like I'm the only one here who does!

It is good to see that Arabia is helping in my campaign to eliminate the Portuguese.

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9789/m11601xo.jpg

They are doing their job, but I need to get most of the cities.

http://img492.imageshack.us/img492/9704/m11617bx.jpg

Have the Zulus gotten in on this as well?

http://img492.imageshack.us/img492/6647/m11624cc.jpg

Of course not, now we got a world war.

http://img492.imageshack.us/img492/1817/m11634mm.jpg

I'll drag Arabia into this, I think I can win by eliminating Portugal and the Zulus.

http://img492.imageshack.us/img492/9134/m11641fm.jpg

I bought a world map off of Arabia to help me see what I am doing.

http://img492.imageshack.us/img492/8121/m11658em.jpg

And with only two cities left, the Portuguese are getting desperate.

http://img492.imageshack.us/img492/9897/m11664jr.jpg

For declaring war on a superpower like me, this is the only way he can get peace.

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/9334/m11674cw.jpg

I got another leader, a Cavalry army should help me finish off the Portuguese.

http://img492.imageshack.us/img492/5413/m11686gb.jpg

With only one Portuguese city left, all boats are now sending troops to Zululand.

http://img492.imageshack.us/img492/8383/m11691rc.jpg

Next time - Will the Zulu attack my colonies?

Hopefully not. *Checks watch* Updates later than usually but I'm okay with that.;)

Somehow, Zululand lost their walls, or so it looks like from the pics.:evil:

Somehow, Zululand lost their walls, or so it looks like from the pics. :evil:
What? http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/88/tencharacters1ok.jpg

Walls don't show up on cities bigger than size 6, even if they are built in the city. If you bombard or starve them to 6 pop or below, the walls magically reappear.

Thanks, Sima Qian. I knew that walls in cities bigger than 6 are useless, but I didn't knew that they are dissapearing.

:beer: Sima Qian, it appears that you are only 1 month old here but you are teaching us all! Congratulations! :cool:

Dude, awesome. Kill them Portugese! and the Zulu, too, I suppose. Lol.

I remember a few pages back when you said that you would want to keep the Portugese around for a long time. :mischief:

I remember a few pages back when you said that you would want to keep the Portugese around for a long time.

They gave me good money for my technology, so I wanted to keep them as allies. Things didn't go as planned. Arabia, which was the nation I was going to attack first, is the nation I formed an alliance with.

Somehow, Zululand lost their walls, or so it looks like from the pics.

The Zulus got the Great Wall, and I am into the Industrial Age, so they became obsolete.

The last Portuguese city falls, and I get practically nothing for it.

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/3483/m11704ih.jpg

The once wealthy Portuguese are now gone.

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/4396/m11717qi.jpg

I am getting closer to a Domination victory, only 11% more land to go. I will get it from the Zulus and expanding my own cultural borders.

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/8562/m11725cf.jpg

And Mecca, which is the world's culture capital, gets its third wonder in that city.

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/4996/m11730wh.jpg

Cavalry went through Arabian territory to get to the Zulus. The Zulus seem to be going after Arabia, which I guess is a nation they could win against.

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/66/m11746wr.jpg

New cities have been built where Portugal once was, and Cavalry are heading towards Zimbabwe.

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/5500/m11759ib.jpg

The Sistine Chapel!? Can I get any wonders that I can use?

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/4020/m11766rt.jpg

Troops line up to be taken by ships to northern Zulu cities. My colony island could become more of a use if this game was going to last much longer.

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/739/m11770es.jpg

Temples are being rushed to gain more territory to hit the domination limit.

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/8015/m11782zz.jpg

Another city goes down, the Zulu Longbowmen are no match for my Cavalry.

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/3073/m11790bf.jpg

Next time - I'm sure by now you know the outcome of this game. In what year will I win?

1380 AD will be my guess.

Go stocktracker Go!

:thumbsup: Great work stocktracker.

1380 I think too.

Good show Stocktracker!

1380 sounds good to me lol

I wonder if 1380 is a real Civ3 year! Maybe it isn't and we are all wrong! But I hope we aren't.

GO GO GO GO GO GO!!!
http://thelastwatch.org/forums/images/smilies/cheer.gif
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Woah I've never seen that face before!? lol

I think 1380 is a civ year.

Awaiting the update, stock. ;)

If I capture Intombe, that should give me enough territory to win.

http://img498.imageshack.us/img498/2609/m11808fg.jpg

Right now, I only need 1% more of land area to win.

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/9495/m11818nt.jpg

I capture the city of Intombe, and troops are heading to Isandhlwana if that isn't enough.

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/6480/m11826ty.jpg

In A.D. 1380, I get enough land to get a domination victory, but I must hold it for one turn.

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/7055/m11833vr.jpg

The official victory came in A.D. 1385. I completed the game in 267 turns, less than half it could be if you played until 2050.

http://img498.imageshack.us/img498/6279/m11846gz.jpg

I think at the rate I was going, the entire world would be under my control by A.D. 1500.

http://img498.imageshack.us/img498/2866/m11859nn.jpg

Not one top city on the list! I was first in everything except for my 8% literacy rate, and military service.

http://img498.imageshack.us/img498/2577/m11869hh.jpg

My score ended up to be 4398, not bad for a Monarch game.

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/7482/m11870zr.jpg

Power went up for the entire game, it never had any big dips.

http://img498.imageshack.us/img498/9163/m11881hv.jpg

Culturally I was very weak, but I did get stronger by wiping out other civilizations.

http://img498.imageshack.us/img498/8800/m11898th.jpg

With a score of at least 3500, you get the top score, and I did.

http://img498.imageshack.us/img498/8625/m11900qd.jpg

My Palace did not look as impressive in this game compared to the Regent series.

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5449/m11914ct.jpg

Update continued on next post

And the entire world map, broken up into four pictures.

http://img498.imageshack.us/img498/3438/m11929qu.jpg

http://img498.imageshack.us/img498/3272/m11931ke.jpg

http://img498.imageshack.us/img498/3555/m11940bl.jpg

http://img498.imageshack.us/img498/4980/m11952lv.jpg

This game was easier than any of the games on the Regent series, so I think it is time to move up to Emperor level for my next game. To me, Monarch is only slightly harder than Regent. Emperor will be a challenge for me. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

Well done! I'll be looking forward to seeing the Japan on Emperor series :)

WOAH!!! 5 YEARS OFF!!! :lol:

Awesome game!!

Ready for Japan on Emporer. :cool:

So we were right with 1380 AD! Congratulations! Are you going to play again with Japan?

Great job! I can't wait to see the Emporer series!

Good game! You definately have the qualifications to step up to emperor.:)

Are you going to play again with Japan?


Of course. I still may play a little bit more of this game, to see how fast I can get rid of Arabia and Zululand.

Not wanting to leave the other two civs left, I eliminated the rest of Zululand and Arabia, and I completed it by A.D. 1500.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/839/m11968im.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4168/m11976ju.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4910/m11981ib.jpg

It was not too hard, because I was far ahead in technology compared to them. Cavalry swept all of the cities, and I got some nice wonders out of it.

The Emperor game will probably start next weekend.

Oh, still playing? I'm glad that you still continue this game after winning it. Great to know you finished it in such a great way!

Next weekend!? Well, I guess you gotta rest. :p

Nice game. :)