View Full Version : Religion and Politics questions
Wem Feb 06, 2006, 04:01 PM I'd be interested to know what the weighting system is on religion and civic preferences for the different Civilizations.
Government:
Mao likes State Property; so do I. How does he feel about Universal Sufferage, though? Free religion? (Or does Mao have no opinion on any of the other civc types?)
If Mao doesn't have the ability to run State Property and is using Decentralization, how does he feel about other Civs also running Decentralization?
If I persuade Catherine to adopt Universal Sufferage, will she be content with that or will she reject it after 10 turns and revert to Hereditary Rule?
Do Civs despise a particular Civic type?
Religion:
Do the Civs have religion preferences independent of their current religion, whatever it may be?
I'm interested in being able to determine exactly how other Civs feel about my Civ, whether religious preferences outweigh preferred civics, or vice versa. Ideally I'd like to figure out which Civs are more likely to befriend me. For instance, in my current game Catherine shares my religion, trades with me and shares open borders, but she doesn't like me enough to trade World Maps or stop trading with other Civs that she is cautious toward. Ghandi, despite having a different religion, is pleased towards me and has been willing to offer me gifts. Confusing!
Artanis Feb 06, 2006, 04:23 PM Lessee....
Government:
-AFAIK, the AIs have no opinion on any of their non-favorite civics beyond "it's not my favorite, thus I will use my favorite over this one if possible".
-I honestly don't know, the situation's never really come up for me :undecide:
-I haven't actually tried getting a civ to convert off its favorite civic, so I don't know for certain. However, I think it'd be a safe bet to say that she'd switch back ASAP.
-Not as far as I know
Religion:
-A civ will be more inclined to switch to (and stick with) a religion that it A) controls the Holy City for and/or B) is in most of its cities. Examples:
---If, an AI founds, say, Buddhism (more like "when" than "if" with her, but I digress :crazyeye:), it'll be reluctant to switch off of it, and likely to switch back ASAP if you manage to bribe it away from Buddhism.
---If an AI is, say, Taoist, but has Taoism in only two cities and Islam spreads to three, he'll switch to Islam.
Edit: completely missed this part :crazyeye:
I'm interested in being able to determine exactly how other Civs feel about my Civ, whether religious preferences outweigh preferred civics, or vice versa. Ideally I'd like to figure out which Civs are more likely to befriend me. For instance, in my current game Catherine shares my religion, trades with me and shares open borders, but she doesn't like me enough to trade World Maps or stop trading with other Civs that she is cautious toward. Ghandi, despite having a different religion, is pleased towards me and has been willing to offer me gifts. Confusing!
To see how the other civ feels about you, hover over its name on the scoreboard, or over its face in the diplomacy or foriegn advisor screens.
Each AI has different threshholds for where they'll do certain things to/for you. For example, Alexander has been known to start wars against people he's "Pleased" with when he thinks he can win, but I've never been able to provoke Ghandi into attacking me. Likewise some AIs are really tight-fisted with their techs, but no matter how much you piss off Mansa Musa, you can still trade techs with him.
Which AIs do which is mostly just a matter of experience in learning which AIs have which tendancies (or else looking it up in the XML files ;))
MrCynical Feb 06, 2006, 04:29 PM Civs have only one favourite civic, and you'll get a diplomatic bonus with them if you both use it. Similarly they'll become annoyed if they are using it, but you refuse to switch to it if they ask you. Except in these circumstances your civics will have no impact on diplomatic relations. As far as I can tell their "favourite civic" doesn't not actually affect whether they choose to use it, and so if they feel a civic is better they will switch to it regardless. There is as far as I know no corresponding "despised civic"
Civs have no preference which religion they have, and will almost invariably use the most widespread in their empire, or one they have founded. They will like you if you have the same religion, dislike you if you have a different religion, and be neutral on this point if you don't have a state religion. The magnitude of this penalty/bonus varies. For example if Catherine is running Judaism and you're running Hinduism, but almost all of Catherine's cities have both you'll receive minimal penalty. Some leaders are far more tolerant of different religions than others, for instance Isabella will become very angry if you have a different religion, and will repeatedly ask you to change which will damage relations still further if you refuse.
Wem Feb 06, 2006, 04:38 PM Thanks guys.
A further question: Catherine is currently a Hindu and I believe she is the one who founded it. In either case, she is running Organized Religion so I'll have to wait until she gives that up, but, is there any hope for me switching her to Confucianism?
She has Hindu in every city.. will me sending missionaries to all of her cities and planting Confucianism in there be futile if she has the holy city for Hinduism?
Also, do you think having a missionary spread Confucianism in a city where it already exists will increase the value or importance of Confucianism to that city/empire?
Artanis Feb 06, 2006, 04:41 PM Thanks guys.
A further question: Catherine is currently a Hindu and I believe she is the one who founded it. In either case, she is running Organized Religion so I'll have to wait until she gives that up, but, is there any hope for me switching her to Confucianism?
She has Hindu in every city.. will me sending missionaries to all of her cities and planting Confucianism in there be futile if she has the holy city for Hinduism?
Also, do you think having a missionary spread Confucianism in a city where it already exists will increase the value or importance of Confucianism to that city/empire?
You're thinking of Theocracy. Organized Religion doesn't stop a second religion from spreading, so send out those Missionaries!
If you convert every city to Confucianism, you might get her to switch, but she'd probably just switch back in 5 turns anyways. Of course, giving her 2 turns of anarchy might be worth it...:D
You can't spread a religion to a city that already has that religion. Send the Missionary elsewhere.
|
|