Welcome to my very first Story here on the CFC! Obviously, I'm using the Vikings (Scandinavia) on Chieftan level. I decided to start out on an easy level and work my way up.

I suppose I was inspired by stocktracker to start a Story on here! If you haven't already, go check out his... it's called Japan on Monarch

So I'll just post the settings today... I'm still getting used to the screenshot program I'm using... IrfanView. I sure do hope these pics work, lol.

Standard size Pangaea 70% Water... Sedentary barbs... Normal climate, warm temp, 4 billion years old.
http://img286.imageshack.us/img286/4614/clipboard050bm.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I wanted to experiment with Accelerated Production... I think it will make for a more interesting game... hee hee... Random opponents, also.
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9787/clipboard062gw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Well, let's hope I did these pictures right... anyone interested in following this?

Cody

lurker reporting... any starting position coming soon? Anyway, I can see the pics fine if you were worried about that.

Yes, I'll post the starting position in about an hour. Gotta do my homework :lol:

I'm glad you can see the pictures, by the way. I was kind of worried about that.

Too many chieftain games were started in S&T forum :hmm:
As somebody said, "chieftain will only teach you how to play wrong".
Pics are showing well, but I think it would be much better if you will play game at least on Warlord level.

OK, I changed my mind. I'll post the starting location now, lol.

Just to let you know, I DIDN'T restart until I got a good one. This is the first one and I took it. Hope it works out.
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/9411/startingpoint37un.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


BTW, Smart, all I wanted to do was get a Story started on here and get some experience. Don't worry, I will be moving up in levels! ;)

Yay your story started. Cheiften doesnt teach how to play wrong, its just if you use enough units and crap, and, surely, by stocktracker (practically) being Cody's idol here, he'll probably go for domination, and make tons of untis.

:lol: Yeah! I made a new idol! :lol:

Yes, conquer_dude, you're actually quite right, lol. I probably will go for domination. It's kind of hard to go for diplo/space race because on chieftan, it's harder to get farther in the tech tree.

I don't know what you're trying to do with Chieftain and Accl. Production :confused:

Accelerated production was implemented for multiplayer games so they could finish faster.

With Accelerated Production, this game will go by quickly. Domination victory is a good way to win on Chieftain. The AI won't stand a chance.

Good luck on your game!

Yes good luck now I demand an update. :p

I suppose a few people aren't too happy with my game, lol.

An update will come very soon!

I just got home from school and got my homework done, so here's my first update!

My capital, Trondheim, is built. It's by a river, which could be good.
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/5756/clipboard010gq.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I decide to go for Bronze Working and get Iron Working soon. Gems to the North.
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/3214/clipboard029tk.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

My first road is built. The terrain here isn't looking very good.
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/1182/clipboard031ma.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

A warrior is built. I'll have him explore to the south to see if there's better terrain next to those plains.
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/4771/clipboard046fr.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

My borders expand and a settler is about to be built, but not much to look forward to... water to the south.
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/4783/clipboard059kj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Bergen is built on a hill next to the river. I'll try to get the gems to make my citizens happy without spending excess money.
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/6964/clipboard078nu.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I'm really not liking this terrain. A settler is heading south. I'm going to start building archers and spearmen in case I enter a war.
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After Alphabet, I decide to go for Iron Working... Assuming I have a supply of iron, I'll be able to build swordsmen.
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A settler builds Copenagen in a flood plain next to a river. Also, I plan to explore west to look for other civs.
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5333/clipboard114on.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

A civ! Also, 3 silks and ivory, though they'll probably get to the ivory first.
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2479/clipboard120jw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I see Orleans, so the civ is France. Also, I'm going for writing next.
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1528/clipboard134lw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I get the Wheel from a goody hut. I don't see any civs, though.
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Next: Will I find any other civs besides the French? Also: I've found iron... will I use swordsman to try to wipe the other civs off the face of the... uh... map?

Good start. The terrain isn't *that* bad, you have easy access to two luxuries already and I'm sure you can get the furs with no trouble. And since this is chieftian, you might even be able to take a shot at that unclaimed ivory by France.

I would've settled Copenhagen one tile to the SW, on the plain at the mouth of the river, so that you could take advantage of the extra food from irrigated flood plain (and also have access to fish after cultural expansion). But that's just my personal preference.

If and when I change governments, which one should i choose?

Republic ;)

You could do a rep slingshot also: research Writing >> CoL >> Philosophy, and take Republic for free

If and when I change governments, which one should i choose?

It depends on how many wars you want to get into. If you are going to be in wars almost the entire game, I would pick Monarchy.

If you are going to be in wars almost the entire game, I would pick Monarchy.
Monarchy is good only in AW games. You probably should read article in War Academy about war weariness to avoid those negative things in Republic.

How does war weariness work? (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=61628)
After reading this maybe you maybe will change your mind about usefulness of Monarchy :rolleyes:

Nice update, republic is a good gov, but unit costs are extreme.

Yeah I'm not a big fan of the unit costs because of my generally large numbers of troops. I haven't played very far in the game yet, still haven't gotten out of despotism... I suppose soon we'll find out which one i choose? ;)

You can read my post (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=3675177&postcount=91) in another thread, I hope it will help you to chose new goverment

I don't think monarchy is ever worthwhile on difficulty levels below regent (except in Always War variants). The reduced corruption in republic plus the commerce bonus more than makes up for the unit support. And you'll usually not have trouble entertaining your citizens either, so the military police factor doesn't really get involved either.

Plus, monarchy sucks with small cities. Only free 2 units per city is quite lame when a size 6 city could easily be producing 6 or 7 extra gold if you have the roads.

Communism, on the other hand, is something I always consider when starting a game because of the distributed corruption...

I've always liked Communism, although it does come late in the game.

So Another update... what will happen next?

I send my warrior farther north of the goody hut and find Shaka. This seems like an OK deal.
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1946/clipboard175bk.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I fortify archers near the French to keep an eye on them. At the moment, they're on the top of my naughty list.
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/4730/clipboard199bk.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Right next to the Zulu are the Mongols. This seems like a good deal to me, since the French will be dead soon anyway.
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/8827/clipboard212tq.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

From the deal with the Mongols, I talk to the Iroqouis. Why is everyone so anxious to talk to the French?
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/303/clipboard232cn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

At first, I get a crappy deal with the Ottomans, but I renegotiate and get this. I love meeting new people.
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1015/clipboard259cp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I get a bit of money from another person who wants contact with the French.
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6973/clipboard261nj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

All this diplomatic crap is getting boring... time to spice things up a bit. I inspected the French cities, and all they have defending them are warriors. This shouldn't be too difficult.
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/3769/clipboard286bc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Taking Lyons was very easy. It must be razed, though, since its population was 1.
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/456/clipboard291id.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I meet the Babylonians and they aren't in very good shape.
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/3039/clipboard307yf.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Orleans wasn't very hard, either. I have to raze this one, also.
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5673/clipboard332as.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Next: Will I be able to defeat France? Will I give into their pleas for peace? Or will something else stand in my way...?

Are you playing in vanilla?

Are you playing in vanilla?

If you saw the setup screen where he was picking the civ to play you could tell this is PTW. I counted 24 civs there.

Kill them Frenchies! :D

How many cities do the French still have?

Are you playing in vanilla?

Nope. PTW.

How many cities do the French still have?

They only have one left, Paris.

Kill them Frenchies! :D

Dang right.

Stockholm looks like it's on a really nasty spot. No access to the sea and serious lack of food. Did you build it on a resource or something?

Well he kind of had a crap situation over there with the starting. But it wasnt all that bad...

EDIT: How much workers do you have!? I see no improvments.

An update will come tomorrow... my computer availability has been limited at the moment.

;)

So here is the update... By the way, I made the pics bigger. EDIT - Wow. A lot bigger, :lol:

I get Iron and Swordsman will soon replace most of the archers.
http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/4152/clipboard357ss.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Joan begs for peace. They don't have anything to give me. Obviously, the answer is no.
http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/4436/clipboard378mi.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Paris killed most of my archers and warriors!
http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/1876/clipboard382cf.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Some of the land I've discovered...
http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/5610/clipboard396mb.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Paris's spearmen keep killing all my troops! This is starting to get annoying.
http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/2904/clipboard400nv.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

At the moment, I'm the strongest civ with England not too far behind. Expansion has been delayed because of the war.
http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/6431/clipboard434qh.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I'm the happiest Civ in the world!
http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/896/clipboard446hw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

It took me almost 2,000 years to destroy the French! Eventually, though, Paris does fall. I raze the city since I have no use for it.
http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/4159/clipboard458if.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Next: Will I be able to expand some more before another Civ starts getting greedy? Find out, next time......

Expand, then wars, man. Too much wars makes it unrealistic kinda. BTW you should have kept Paris cause of the ponies!!!

I would have kept Paris for awhile, but it needs to be by the ocean. Also, in wars, send multiple units in a stack and attack.

Yeah, I suppose I should have expanded a little more. I'm gonna work on that.

Oh yeah and BTW get some temples ASAP, you have no culture in some of your cities. Core ones, it doesnt matter but those edge ones do. I hate choppy maps with borders not connect to each other, unless they are colonies of course. :)

Temples are a low priority build. YOu dont really need them. If you really need the culture, build a libarary.

Yeah but temoles gain land and helps domination. :)

Yeah but temoles gain land and helps domination. :)
Libs do that better, since they give an extra 1cpt.

Uh... But temples are cheaper arent they? :p

Only by 20 shields, which can (potentially) be rushed by 1 pop.

Temples are useless, especially in the core. I build them fast only on captured border towns to prevent flips...
You shouldn't worry about culture now, just build more cities.

Temples are also especially useless on lower difficulties, since you tend not to have happiness problems with the citizens until you hit 5 or 6 population. But if you're still in your rapid expansion phase, you really shouldn't have size 6 cities anyway.

Another Update... here we go.

I research monarchy, but I don't want a revolution yet.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/cody_the_genius/Clipboard46.jpg

I trade World Maps with Babylon, but their map is crap.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/cody_the_genius/Clipboard47.jpg

Forbidden Palace is built... this might help later on.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/cody_the_genius/Clipboard48.jpg

I get done with Currency and move onto the next age.
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The Pyrimads are built!
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A look at my land so far.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/cody_the_genius/Clipboard51.jpg

If there's anything I hate about the AI, it's the fact that they think you'll give them whatever they want. I almost never give them things.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/cody_the_genius/Clipboard52.jpg

I changed my mind. My civ descends into Anarchy and the Revolution begins!
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/cody_the_genius/Clipboard53.jpg

I'm relieved that nothing bad happened during the Anarchy... only 2 cities rioted, I think. I'm going to try Monarchy and see how it works out.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/cody_the_genius/Clipboard55.jpg

A look at my civ after I change to Monarchy.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/cody_the_genius/Clipboard56.jpg

Next: Will Monarchy work out for me? Find out next time!

Also: I've already begun the next game that will be posted on here... Warlord level this time, also with Scandinavia! Can't wait for this Chieftan game to be over so I can show you guys the Warlord one!

There's not much point in building the Forbidden Palace so early... especially since you built it so close to the capital. I usually save the FP for later when I have more cities, and try to build it as far away from the capital as possible (sort of a "second core" set of cities would grow around the FP). Of course, if you're planning from the beginning for communism, this won't be really relevant.

There is no reason to switch to Monarchy now. Of low levels you have free happiness and war weariness isn't a problem. Try to research Republic ASAP in the next game and revolt immediatly. I think you can try regent instead of warlord, there is no a big difference ;)

Your cities are overdefended, disband some and it will save you some money. If you fill up your area, you should be in great shape.

@Sima Qian: Yes, in vanilla it is better to save FP for the second core. But in C3C it is fine to build FP close to capital, because corruption model is changed. It will take more turns to build it far away from core ;)

Alright, sounds good. BTW, Smart, in my next game (which has already been started) I:

change to Republic!

Haha, that's cool, I made a spoiler!

And stocktracker... I see what you mean now. Cities only can have two garrissoned units that make a content face. Thanks.

Hooray. An update. You're too good at science reaserch for cheiftan. You should be playing on warlord or regent. Maybe even monarch.

I don't know if it's good or bad that no one has replied posted for a while, I guess that's my fault, lol. An update in a little bit...

Yeah it is your fault.

Good to know. BTW, your general problem (I could see) is lack of settlers. You have 10 cities (visible on the last screenshot) and NONE is building settlers, even though they all have enough population.

BTW, if in 730 BC you built the Pyramids then how can you build a Granary in 530 BC :hmm::confused:

To Mirc about the granaries - Um, I have no idea? lol. My bad.

Okay, here we go.

I find an island, but it ends up being nothing.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/cody_the_genius/Clipboard57.jpg

Dang. I was building that!
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/cody_the_genius/Clipboard59.jpg

Not the best deal in the world but I take it.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/cody_the_genius/Clipboard61.jpg

My army quickly grows after discovering feudalism.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/cody_the_genius/Clipboard64.jpg

I've decided to declare war on the Zulu... I was thinking of the Babylonians, but the Zulu will probably be more of a threat to me later.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/cody_the_genius/Clipboard65.jpg

I draw the first blood and destroy one of their outer cities.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/cody_the_genius/Clipboard70.jpg

Yes! Now I can make my ultra-ultimate-favorite Middle Age weapon!
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/cody_the_genius/Clipboard71.jpg

The Zulu only have 5 cities left.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/cody_the_genius/Clipboard72.jpg

I build Sun Tzu's Art of War and the Viking Golden Age begins!
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/cody_the_genius/Clipboard74.jpg

Next: How will my Golden Age help me? Will I be merciful and let the Shaka live, or will I ruthlessly destroy his nation? Find out next time!

You better can him and the whole rest of the loosers.

Nothing should stop you, use your ships and berserks, attack all coastal cities directly. Nothing the AIs have can stop them. Use other forces to knock off the landlocked cities.

BTW, if in 730 BC you built the Pyramids then how can you build a Granary in 530 BC :hmm::confused:

I'm not sure if this is a bug, but I've noticed that on some maps, if you have two big landmasses joined by a tiny strip of land, they might be considered separate continents, and wonders that put a city improvement in every city on the continent will only do so for the same "chunk" of land.

BTW, if in 730 BC you built the Pyramids then how can you build a Granary in 530 BC :hmm::confused:

Also,
If the granery was already started when the pyramids are completed, it will continue to build until completed or changed, too.

Ah, Mardsen, that sounds about right. I used CivAssist II, Sima Qian, and I think it said all my cities were on the same continent. But thanks, I was wondering about that.

Yah know you should pwn them all. What kind of declares peace unless he gives you everything he has?

Lol sounds good. Congrats on 900 posts, by the way.

Five settlers in the next three turns is a great step to become more dominate than the other civilizations.

Settlers are the key to victory. Settlers can give domination. :rockon:

Finish them all, good luck!

Yeah but temoles gain land and helps domination. :)

The only thing Temples have going for them is that later on they give access to Cathedrals which are together 4 faces, 7 with the Sistine.

Yeah but everyone forgets that they give culture it seems. Those, cathedrals and libraries are kays to culture. Although I've never won a culture victory in Civ3, it's kinda obvious.

Updates anywhere?

Certainly.

The Hanging Gardens are built.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/cody_the_genius/Clipboard75.jpg

I wanted to build the GL, not because I needed the techs, but to keep them away from the other civs.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/cody_the_genius/Clipboard76.jpg

More Settlers on the way, as well as LW to decrease the costs of upgrading units (which I do quite frequently).
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/cody_the_genius/Clipboard77.jpg

Only a few more cities left for the Zulu
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I destroy Zimbabwe and then evenly distribute the rest of the units to each of the three cities left.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/cody_the_genius/Clipboard79.jpg

The Mongols take one city (I had an alliance with them) but I destroy the rest of them and the Zulu are gone.
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Expansion has gone well, even while I was at war.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/cody_the_genius/Clipboard81.jpg

I am now considered the superpower of the world. Muahahaha.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/cody_the_genius/Clipboard82.jpg

Next Time: Will I do what is very strange for me and strive for peace? Or will I declare war on another unfortunate civ, and who will it be? Find out next time...

EDIT - My 150th post!

Why did you not keep cities that you captured from the Zulu? Other civs will build on that land, causing more harm than good. The next civ you should go after is Babylon, they are close to you, and some of the cities could be productive.

It doesn't matter that Babylon got the GL. You are already in MA and Education will come soon.

It's good that you built more settlers, on Chieftain you can achieve a Domination with no military, so just by building settlers. IIRC someone did it on Regent at 1300 AD!

Good luck with the game!

Declare war on the English and take that colony then :hammer: :hammer: :hammer:

Romans? I'm assuming you mean Babylon? :lol:

And stocktracker, I razed those cities because I'm more focused right now on Conquest than Domination. And if I do get closer to Domination, that's why I made a lot of settlers.

EDIT - Oh yeah, and if you could, rate this thread. Maybe it will get some more people to read it lol.

No actually I ment England. :lol: It just came out wrong.

Oh my Lord, my computer's been doing strange things lately. I was working on an update and it totally froze, and then another time, I was uploading photos and everything on the screen just went aso;dkfj ;lskdj. Yeah, that's right: aso;dkfj ;lskdj.

So I haven't forgotten about you :). An update will come soon.

Oh. *Whew* I thought you lost a chieftan game for a sec and were to embarrased to say so. :crazyeye:

J/K :p

IMHO conquest is easier on chieftain, since you don't have to bother with all the settlers. Get a productive core of a dozen cities and pump zerks out, GG ;)

Cheiftan games are so funny to watch. You win before you begin!:spear:!

I've lost on chieftian before :(

(Well, I was playing always war/OCC/no military on a pangaea map)

I've lost on chieftian before :(

(Well, I was playing always war/OCC/no military on a pangaea map)
Hummmm no wonder! :rolleyes:

After conquer_dude sent me a PM last night, I realized that I forgot to tell you... this story is done. I'm not even sure what happened to it... I think I might have deleted when I reinstalled PTW.

I've also become involved in a few Succesion Games, but I'm going to be starting 2 new games... A PTW game with a smaller map, different civ (probably Carthage?), and higher level (Regent, I think)... and also a Civ4 game with Gandhi.

Watch for them!

I am sorry though. I kind of left everyone in the dark.

Well that sucks.

Yes I know :(

But watch for my new ones!

When are you going to start?

Very soon I hope... By Friday.