Yeah he asked me for help too... I declined that generous offer then demanded his last 10 sheckels. It's the first time that Thanks Dave.... I thought that I was going to cut back research in a few turns. Now I can go 3 more turns without decreasing science :goodjob:

I'd be happy to fund your next tech too if you share it with me. ;)

keshlik huh? :p

That is the Mongolian UU last i checked:p

Anyway it seems they wont be heading to far south, which is unfortunate for Regentman. I hope he has some long pointy sticks at the ready

Did someone just gift me two workers? I noticed two idle workers and I can't remember building them and sending them to where they where standing...

Did someone just gift me two workers? I noticed two idle workers and I can't remember building them and sending them to where they where standing...

You'll find that was Matrix's doing

Did someone just gift me two workers? I noticed two idle workers and I can't remember building them and sending them to where they where standing...


Dang it. I was chasing those things. Matrix..you sneaky buzzard. Theoden you can thank me for that...just send a basket of gold:)

That is the Mongolian UU last i checked:p

Anyway it seems they wont be heading to far south, which is unfortunate for Regentman. I hope he has some long pointy sticks at the ready

well i always thought it was keshik :p

Did someone just gift me two workers?
http://www.straland.com/images/smilies/tiphat.gif

fancy gifting me some???

http://www.straland.com/images/smilies/tiphat.gif
Thank you. You can send more if you feel the need, my borders will be open to you.;) :mischief:

out of interest, who was Saladin?

Saladin was Benegeance but he got booted because he lacked the time

Something's not right. Each second takes more than two seconds. :ack:

this turn should have ended hours ago.

Hmm, thought the time was weird, guess it actually was.

I'll be saving and rebooting soon as I check that nobody is signed on.

Just logged off.

off also..

im gone now as well and i think i was the only person on after that time as well.

Thanks to all who cleared off the server so quickly for the reboot. :)

It's back up now and seems to be running normal speed.

cool, any ideas why that happened?

:eek: Stonehenge is Mongolian :eek:

KILL THE MONGOLIANS...
oh wait thats the demo game not this.....sorry I keep getting confused.

It's okay everyone. I escaped RegentMangrad before it fell. No idea how long Premier will hold up, though.

but has stonehenge been captured?

Well, I guess next turn might be my last one. (Not sure though.) Meleager, Robi D, when will you be playing?

It's okay everyone. I escaped RegentMangrad before it fell. No idea how long Premier will hold up, though.
Thank God, you're ok! :eek: Are you hurt?

Matrix...it was nice killing your city. I enjoyed it. :p

Good move on gifting those workers...

so is matrix dead now?

not yet...unless it just happened.

Good move on gifting those workers...
Least I could do. :D I might as well have given Goon to Theoden, but that would spoil the game. (I've seen that happen before. Not a good move.)

@BCLG100: apparently my death is being postponed another turn.

I hear tonight at 530PM CDT...might be a funeral.

Least I could do. :D I might as well have given Goon to Theoden, but that would spoil the game. (I've seen that happen before. Not a good move.)

@BCLG100: apparently my death is being postponed another turn.

Postponed:confused: It right on schedule according to my watch, maybe yours is running a little fast;). That said i have no problems getting ahead of schedule, just move the archer out of the way and we can have this over and done with now:D

What fun is that..I want to see that archer get..axed or skis ka bobbed. At worse I will finish him off with a wooden club.

i want to see what'll happen with the archer too, its the main reason my scout is still there!

i want to see what'll happen with the archer too, its the main reason my scout is still there!
In Chicago we call that a "gapers delay". It's when someone watches an accident while driving their car and slowing down traffic to watch someone carted into an ambulance....to that I say "beep, beep"! :D

rubber necking( term down here) people usually meet unfortunaelty endings...

BC..we might get hungry and have to eat your scout.

well id prefer you wouldnt if im honest

"bottle necking" up here. But is it a surprise that it's a term that comes from beer?

well over here in the civilised world ;) you dont get too much of that going on tbh.

you guys have cars?? I figured since gas( petro) was so expensive you went back to using horses.

It called rubber necking here too, either way its seem quite a crowd has come to see off matrixs

I'm timing out.

ISP bounce, game back operational (as far as I can tell without being *remote*..

I'm dead. However, there's no replay. :cry: It's just all fog of war.

Anyway, it was a fun game. I see you in your spoilers. ;)

I'm dead. However, there's no replay. :cry: It's just all fog of war.

Anyway, it was a fun game. I see you in your spoilers. ;)

:hatsoff: to Matrix who was a good sport to the end despite being put through the ringer by Meleager, Robboo and myself.

I sure we'll meet in another game where you might take me to the cleaners.

Btw had an idea about the no replay thing, maybe like the problem with the oracle you need to be there at the end of the turn, but i'm only guessing

Just to let you guys know..I am having ybbor play my turns for a couple of days. IF I have a trade pending with you please send it now otherwise He will cancel it.( with the exception of the two I told him to expect)

I will have email and pm contact except for 2 days. I will return to the game on May 16th. if I live through my visit with my in laws and the 20 hours in a car with my 4 year old and 2 year old.

if matrix is willing would it be allowed for him to play someone's turns for a couple of days if they go away, im not saying i am going away, im just wondering what everyone thought about that?

You might come back and find 3 civs at war with you. :lol:

You might come back and find 3 civs at war with you. :lol:


lol ok see your point :D

to whoever sent robboo a trade: quickly re-send it, I screwed up pitboss diplomacy :crazyeye:

dang it....yall be nice to him now... :)

I seem to be timing out again.

Don't kick me Dave; I promise I'm not a complainer!

Timing out for me too unfortunately:(

pitboss restarted

Turn played. :)

Two or three turns before the Regentian Empire ceases to exist.

I'm having troubles myself now...

i managed to play my turn before, think it was about 5pm

pitboss restarted again

I tried, but it said something like "We have lost our Pitboss connection."

maybe its me doing something but i keep managing to be able to play after dave resets it...

I just timed out on me...another reset required :sad: . I don't know who or what is screwing it up, but it sucks for DS since he has to keep restarting it :(

worked before as well, me and kuningas were able to get on.

Timing out for me..

I'm timing out as well...

timed out :(

I was able to get in after Theoden but before ybbor... hmmm

I got in just now

I will be on a business trip starting Monday morning thru Thursday evening, 5/15 - 5/18. In light of the difficulties we had the last time I was out of town, I'd like to suggest shutting down the game for that time to ensure nobody gets an advantage or disadvantage purely from a connectivity problem.

If there are no objections, I'll be shutting it down around 10PM MST Sunday (0500 GMT Monday) and not restarting until around the same time Thursday night / Friday morning.

That's fine by me, its the most sensible thing to do

If you make such a long break I would like it to start shortly after a turn has started not short before one will end.

no problem here.....shut it down when you want.

excellent idea Dave :thumbsup:

Shutdown schedule: A new turn will be starting around 1700 MST (gmt -7) today. The request from grs is a very sensible one, by stopping just after start of a turn, it guarantees everyone will have a good shot at the next turn in their respective time zone, because almost a whole day will remain on the clock. So assuming I'm home then, I plan to let the turn click over, contact anyone who happens to be online to let them finish, and then save and shutdown. To reiterate, the purpose is to keep anyone from gaining or losing from network outages while I'm gone which seem to be back with a vengeance the past week.

Well i'd prefer to carry on but if everyone wants to stop then i dont mind.

My wife wanted to go out for dinner (it's Mothers Day in the US) so this delayed shutting down the server until there was about 20 1/2 hours on the clock. When I get back we can either reload from the autosave (but falling back for those who got in and played" or from the 20 hour save. It turns out the wall clock time of the game restart will be about this same time, so as far as time zones go, the restart will leave everyone the same number of hours left at the same time of day.

I'll go by comments in the thread when choosing what to restart. :cool:

its only 3 hours, so long as the restart is at a decent time it should be ok.

20 hours in pitboss time is about 23 hours in real time anyway, so it should be fine. ;)

Restarted, 20:22 on the clock.

:woohoo: Welcome back Daveshack

I second that. In honor of your return, I will sacrifice 50 warriors at the temple of.... hmm, nevermind. His temple was destroyed.

that and do you really have 50 warriors to be wasting in this game??? :)

I could use 50 or so warriors for target practice. :mischief:

I guess that wouldn't work if we're following the MTDG ruleset.

that and do you really have 50 warriors to be wasting in this game??? :)
Well....it was going to be a long term sacrifice (1 per every 3 or 4 turns untill hitting 50).

I second that. In honor of your return, I will sacrifice 50 warriors at the temple of.... hmm, nevermind. His temple was destroyed.

Your gracious offer is accepted. That little icon of a box which is wrapped up in a bow performs the necessary function. :lol:

Timing out ....

Me too.....
Welcome back DS!

Pitboss is restarted again. :badcomp:

how come theres been more mess up's recently???

Pitboss is down for a few minutes while windows update reboots my machine.

Actually, it's down for more than a few minutes. The update program didn't say it was going to take hours instead of minutes. :(

Sorry about the delay, I'll get it back up as soon as Windows stops thrashing my hard drive and goes through the auto reboot.

All this so I can compile the SDK. That's some consolation. :D

back up 10char

My apologies ladies! Long day at work. Hard to start up Civ from my truck *shrugs*

game just got interesting...

it's been interesting... I know of at least 2 PM boxes that have been full this week :lol:

mine has actually filled up quite a few times because of this and PBEM's and mafia games.

i keep dumping mine...to text files.

2 times this week

im timing out now... :(

I got up this morning to browsers complaining about no connection, and a pitboss window scrolling "out of sync" messages. I wonder if my ISP is seeing a flood of outgoing traffic and shutting it off because it thinks I have malware of some kind.

Connection bounced, pitboss active.

Is it the running of pitboss causing the problems?

And im not sure if its just me but as tubby was trying to get on before i got kicked off and now it says its timing out :( ill give it a few mins and try again.

bc, grs and I were on..tubby tried gettin gon adn it kicked me off sayign pitboss crashed. One of us might be teh problem or maybe a certain combination of us. It tool forever to load BC when I was on and instantly for grs. I am not pointing fingers just letting everyone know. I have been on with BC,with Tubby, with grs, with DaveMcW, with Matrix, as individuals on other occasions with no trouble...so maybe it was all of us that did it.

bc, grs and I were on..tubby tried gettin gon adn it kicked me off sayign pitboss crashed. One of us might be teh problem or maybe a certain combination of us. It tool forever to load BC when I was on and instantly for grs. I am not pointing fingers just letting everyone know. I have been on with BC,with Tubby, with grs, with DaveMcW, with Matrix, as individuals on other occasions with no trouble...so maybe it was all of us that did it.


I probably do have a slower connection than everyone else but ive been on before with 3/4 people so i dont think its my doing.

Restarted...

My apologies if it is me doing this, im not sure what i could be doing wrong because i havnt changed anything :S

Contacting established peer BCLG100....

Finally got in, but immediately got OOS.

Contacting established peer BCLG100....

Finally got in, but immediately got OOS.


i have no idea why, the only firewall i have is this norton internet thingy, i had msn running at the same time as well:confused:

it appears as though Saladin knows me all to well :lol:
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7228/image26uw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

BC..check to make sure you have the right ports open. I am not sure which ones someone might chime in. The patch made it a littel more firewall unfriendly it seems. I had issues until I opened up the right port and allowed CIV 4 as open..

Man Saladin could not have been more right....

BC..check to make sure you have the right ports open. I am not sure which ones someone might chime in. The patch made it a littel more firewall unfriendly it seems. I had issues until I opened up the right port and allowed CIV 4 as open..

Man Saladin is could not have been more right....


erm where do i find ports and how do i change them???

:rotfl:

That's the first time I've ever seen that one.

erm where do i find ports and how do i change them???

I dont have norton so I cant help you:)

The port you need to open is: 2056 UDP

This thread is kind of old, but it can get you started.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=146735

Would it just make things easier if i just turned norton off when i opened up the pitboss?

Would it just make things easier if i just turned norton off when i opened up the pitboss?

That's the way I did it for a while, yeah, seemed to work fine except every once in a while I'd forget to do it.

That's the way I did it for a while, yeah, seemed to work fine except every once in a while I'd forget to do it.


Well nothing bad seems to happen when im in your OT game but ill do it, i was on before and nothing bad happened-getting stuff for my spoiler-any lurkers its over at CDZ, feel free to advise/flame/spam :)

might not be you BC. Lets blame Tubby, The AI saw him coming and decided to kill the game..

I found this-not used it yet but could be fairly usefull.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=172460

need to reboot the machine, saw a chance when nobody's on so will be down for a few minues

It's been back up, meant to post here but as usual major distractions.

I was on and someone could not log it...I have the firewall set correctly..so beats me.

I got a message from DaveMcW and tried to reply but his PM box is full so .... here's my reply Dave

I am not one of your vassal states and do not have to answer to you.

Good luck in your dealings,
Tubby
Do you care to explain this iron deal?

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/316/civ4screenshot01135ho.th.jpg (http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=civ4screenshot01135ho.jpg)

DaveMcW

What iron deal...??? Cant tell from that picture.

Timing out here...but internet has been flakey today.

I'm timing out as as well.

Poor DaveShack. :(

At least it's not dropping connections during long downloads etc.

In my younger day I would have put the cable modem and router on a remote control power source and designed an auto-operator script to save the game, drop the cable modem, wait, bring up the cable, wait, connect to somewhere, loop back if still broken, else startup pitboss.

Now that I have kids it's more like click click, play with a car, click click, set up the "slip & slide", take pictures, click click, game's back. :lol:

Sorry about all the delays. :mischief::crazyeye:

Hey - at least we made the right choice and didn't pick pitboss for the MTDG!

no problem with the delays..

What iron deal...??? Cant tell from that picture.

Timing out here...but internet has been flakey today.


under theoden where it says 'iron from tubby rower' or something like that methinks

ahhh OK missed that.

Well done Tubby, i would not have been as remotely diplomatic as you.

you guys be nice...I am between you guys.

Let's just hope for your sake that you stay between them.

Ahhh yes...that could be a problem....but I think I got that covered..for now. :)

im timing out now :(

It seems to like crashing shortly before the turn changes...

That's interesting, is someone staying connected across the turn change? I could imagine a burst of IP activity at that point. Still no idea exactly what's going wrong, except that the entire home LAN loses connectivity with the WAN at that point, and I have to reset the cable modem. The only thing I can think of that makes any sense at all is a burst upload filter in my ISP, to enforce the "no servers" rule. I wouldn't think running a PTBS would meet their definition of a "server" but you never know.

BTW, I'm once again in some danger of being eliminated. This is not a threat to my opponent by any means, but should that happen I'll quickly lose interest in hosting. No offense intended to anyone in the game by that, just being honest. I'm too honorable to pull the plug, but if there are any volunteer backup hosts, please identify yourself. :D

yep down for me as well :(

There are 2 people i know with a server that could run it, matrix was having a go at cdz but it didnt work (he's also sort of out of the game) and igloodude but he isnt in the game.

Dave you must have rotten luck with all thsoe warmongers around you.....

yer.... damn hattie :mischief: Dave do you have any idea when pitboss would be back up and running?

once you declare peace....or your exams start.. :mischief:

Probably not for at least 1.5 hours after this post, won't be home for a while.

I doubt it crashes because someones logged in at the change of turns, i have done so on 4 or 5 occassions (a few weeks ago was the last time) and there was no problems at all. There must be another issue somewhere

I doubt it crashes because someones logged in at the change of turns, i have done so on 4 or 5 occassions (a few weeks ago was the last time) and there was no problems at all. There must be another issue somewhere Same for me. I just wondered, since it was down around a turn change the last few times. May just be a coincidence.

I did wonder whether it was a time of day issue rather than turn change as the times I have had difficulty connection were morning GMT. Could that tie in with a time that your ISP considers abnormal for such activity? I have also been on over the turn change with no problems.

I did wonder whether it was a time of day issue rather than turn change as the times I have had difficulty connection were morning GMT. Could that tie in with a time that your ISP considers abnormal for such activity? I have also been on over the turn change with no problems.


I thought that it was just a random thing but sometimes it takes me longer to connect in the lunchtime. I dont think it has much to do with being on over turn time because even ive been there! Maybe its because the game is getting bigger?

never mind...

Thanks to the little birdie for answering my question:)

I need to take the server down around noon tomorrow my time (GMT-7) and bring it back up around noon or a little after on Monday. Sorry about the interruption...

dave would it make more sense to pull the game in an hour or so? so that way when you put it back up everyone has a full 24 hours to play?

Connection Failure!

An incoming player was unable to connect to you.

So is my firewall the problem? :confused:

DaveMcW Check your firewall...I shut mine off completely and it still wouldnt let me load when you were on.

ALSO..I read somewheres that if you play your turn adn dont exit to desktop it causes problems when the next person comes on....long load times. I cannot find a link to it. So I guess if we wanted to help DaveShack and err on the safe side. After playing your turn "exit to desktop" instead of going back and playing more Civ by going to the main menu.

Connection Failure!

An incoming player was unable to connect to you.

So is my firewall the problem? :confused:

cross post..yeah Dave it would not let me on. Problem is we were on together when I was at war with Matrix...patch must have changed things.

Connection Failure!

An incoming player was unable to connect to you.

So is my firewall the problem? :confused:

That must've been me. It kept timing out saying "Connecting established peer DaveMcW." ;)

I had to re-setup my firewall for Civ 4 after the patch, the system saw the 1.61 patched game as a new program and as default blocked it again.

Teh culture is bombing :scared:

Teh culture is bombing :scared:

Yeah yeah music man, you beat me to it by one turn:)

poor placement of that bomb...:) At least for someone...not me:)

So have you shut the game down now dave?

Just thought I would share a picture taken on a recent state visit to Whompenland. He did apologise for not dressing up for me :)

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/6541/codyandthejagwarriorr5wx.th.jpg (http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=codyandthejagwarriorr5wx.jpg)

Mauer dude, don't give up my m.o. I'm trying to stay undercover. Hehe.

So who's getting culture bombed?

I set off a bomb that claimed alot of unclaimed territory. Alot.

And also drew everyones attention who couldnt see the borders when a size 2 city got on the 5 greatest cities :p

I watched the full effects of the bomb from just far enough away. My poor ax was minding his business in neutral land when bam..culture everywhere poor guy...he will never be the same.

Luckily it didnt take any of MY territory otherwise meleager might have less one city.:)

Timing out now.

I need to take the server down around noon tomorrow my time (GMT-7) and bring it back up around noon or a little after on Monday. Sorry about the interruption...


think this might be why george

Ooops, missed that post.

We had a power outage while I was gone. Might be bad luck for some people because I had forgotton to pull the plug as advertized, and the last save was from 6/2 -- no autosave for 6/3. :mad: At least the computer survived, it was a thunderstorm.

I noticed that I had to re-move all of my units. ~ 15 hours from this post left on the turn so replay if you haven't yet.

I replayed my turn-results were maybe better than last time :)

you should have replayed as close to original as you could ;)

you should have replayed as close to original as you could ;)


oh i did, just lost less HP on attacking units that last time :)

:hmm: Not sure I like that answer BCLG. If you did exactly the same thing the RNG would be the same I'd think.

No, thats is wrong. We surely will have played in a different order so different results are expected!

OK well then it is was it is. Play on.

and besides its not like i checked each individual unit, just noticed i had one more unit able to move this time which maybe i just didnt notice last time.

Anyone timing out like me?

The area around my house got a severe thunderstorm this afternoon, so I'll bet you can guess what probably happened, again.

Gotta get some form of remote control installed on that machine, I don't want to ask my wife to save and shutdown when this happens, or the CD might be gone when I come back. :mischief:

In Arizona? Isn't that kind of unusual?

In Arizona? Isn't that kind of unusual?
It's monsoon season there and the light storms are some of the most amazing things you'd ever want to see.

OT..DaveShack... How about that girls softball team winning the world series again....ho hum. :mischief: Bear down Wildcat!

I've set of that culture bomb 3 times now.

and ive captured a certain city 3 times now.

I was thinking about the different outcomes of BCLG's conquest adventures. The RNG might be set in stone, but all 18 (now 17) players might not have played in the same order. So in theory he could have done everything exactly the same order and gotten different results. That's one of the downsides to simultaneous play, but it shouldn't happen too often.

I was thinking about the different outcomes of BCLG's conquest adventures. The RNG might be set in stone, but all 18 (now 17) players might not have played in the same order. So in theory he could have done everything exactly the same order and gotten different results. That's one of the downsides to simultaneous play, but it shouldn't happen too often. See this (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=4132446&postcount=920) post.

Can anyone tell me, how long the turner is still running?

I was thinking about the different outcomes of BCLG's conquest adventures. The RNG might be set in stone, but all 18 (now 17) players might not have played in the same order. So in theory he could have done everything exactly the same order and gotten different results. That's one of the downsides to simultaneous play, but it shouldn't happen too often.

yup well they were worse this time, lost another unit.

sorry.... I just thought about it yesterday on the way home from work and your post was the last on the previous page.

grs...we had a restart 3 times on this turn..hence why its still running on this turn.:) If thats what you are asking.

No, I just feared I would miss it this time.

No, I just feared I would miss it this time.

As long as we don't have any power outages today, that is. :eek:

As long as we don't have any power outages today, that is. :eek:

We can only hope, because its starting to feel like groundhog day:D

I changed the name of Shackopolis this time so hopefully it shouldnt :D

IS that turn over yet..I am too scared to check:)

Curiosity...more than anything.

Do we have any sort of rules to govern gifting cities? I dont think it has happened yet but in the future as people rearrange borders after conquests it might come up.

Can you just gift a city for no reason?

I think that everyone should gift me one city as a sign of good faith.

I'm inclined to say yes to gifting cities. unless it's within one turn of falling (and it's gifted to a party not at war with the attacking civ.)

I would say yes, as long as it doesn't result in the new owner kicking neutral units out of the city radius.

i think you should be able to gift cities.

Only problem I have is if you gift a city to another person who is about to be eliminated.

well no i dont think that should be allowed but i cant see many people wanting to keep a 1 city civ in the game.

How about we say no gifting of cities if either party is currently at war with someone.

well i dunno, if your at war with someone and definatly going to win is a bit pointless to hold onto a city.

I do not see a reason to restrict gifting cities in any case.

I guess I rather die first than be someone's puppet. There is honor in death.....no honor in being lead around like a dog.

Dont we have rules in the MPDG for gifting cities...that should be our minimum rules to start with.
I say no gifting cities to someone who is at war unless its a peace offering.

I think that gifting cities right before a civ dies, reaks of stupidity. But I also think that vassal states aren't fair play.

But on the other hand, they aren't against the rules. so gift away IMO but know that you'll get a -4 rep hit in my eyes.

Be that as it may be. I never asked to give away cities, I just said that I see no reason to forbid it. I also don't understand the talking about vassal states since I do not see any in this game.

I am quite surprised there is such a fuss about a tactic no one used yet, while it recently seems to have become a sport to demand things from every AI that is declared on, which looks more like an exploit than gifting cities to me.

Be that as it may be. I never asked to give away cities, I just said that I see no reason to forbid it. I also don't understand the talking about vassal states since I do not see any in this game. What is Regentman's country called? :p If he is not a vassal then why does he still stand?

I am quite surprised there is such a fuss about a tactic no one used yet, while it recently seems to have become a sport to demand things from every AI that is declared on, which looks more like an exploit than gifting cities to me.
I have no problem with gifting cities however gifting and gifting back the same city should be prohibited.

question..if you gift a city does it recieved defensive units? If so then that is an exploit that 2 allies could use to build a quick force..much like Whomp said.

There is at least 1 vassal state, soon to be 2 if history repeats itself.

Ok, I need to play closer atention to the country names, I admit. I still don't get the benefit to either side. If anyone could enlighten me?

Ok, I need to play closer atention to the country names, I admit. I still don't get the benefit to either side. If anyone could enlighten me?
The benefit to Davemcw is he doesn't have to pay maintainence for Regentman's city and Regentman can funnel cash/lux/resources over to Davemcw. Regentman? Not sure. As someone has recently stated there's honor in death. Maybe davemcw offered assurance of a co victory? I don't know the details.

The gifting cities thing has become a hot topic atm. Personally i don't see anything wrong with gifting cities as such, if someone wants to trade cities or give a city for gold or whatever thats fine with me because that is in the spirit of the rules, but if your doing it to deny someone capturing a city or to save someone being defeated then that is not right. I think we are all experienced enough in playing the game to know whats right and whats wrong.

As for the whole vassel state thing Regentman and DaveMcW have going that's there buisness, i see nothing wrong with it. Its a very shrewed move by DaveMcW to save some maintenance costs while collecting gold although personally i wouldn't make the agreement myself, i wouldn't see the point of hanging around with one city giving all the production to someone else

vassal states dont bother me, if someone wants to be one fine, not the way id play the game but whatever :)

I'm getting a message "contacting BCLG100 peer firewall not set up properly".

yer sorry about that, my whole PC locked up completly and i didnt realise for awhile because i thought it was just loading. Ended up having to unplug at the mains.

im timing out now

It's up now.

Since I have problems accessing the internet right now, could someone please tell me the time left on the turn-timer?

There are 14 hours 52 minutes left :)

Sorry dave, one less player now.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/southpark-stan.gif Oh my God, they killed DaveShack!

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/southpark-kyle.gif You bastards!


We really do appreciate all the effort you put into hosting the game, Dave. :) I'd like to encourage everyone to post screenshots and gossip now that Paper is available, to keep the host interested in the game. ;)

And you can now look at my spoiler over at cdz and look at the hassle and poncing around i did trying to delcare war on you.

im timing out now... :(

I'm also timing out.

Dave might have given up on hosting this game... :( Good job Simon :gripe:

Hey Dave..if we all promise to gang up on BC will you turn the game back on :)

/joking BC.

Dave might have given up on hosting this game... :( Good job Simon :gripe:


awww man i didnt want to ruin everyones fun :(

is there anyone else in the game who can host it?

Dave will be back..he just might be away from the computer.

His last activity was yesterday. Let's give him some time.

Speaking of waiting for DaveShack, Innovia has MTDG save now. ;)

awww everything's my fault now, i sent him the save!

I was just teasing you BCLG... Out of 18 players, Dave surely couldn't have expected to be guaranteed to stay in and if he thought (which I doubt) that by hosting the game everyone was going to play nice and let him survive unconditionally, then so be it.

Don't worry about it.. ;)

It's on as far as I can tell. No worries, I already said it would feel weird but my intent is to keep it going as a service to my friends. No hard feelings, figured I was toast way back when grs found that he had an archer vs warrior+settler.

I'll go save and restart it just to be sure it's up, since PTBS doesn't tell you when it's having a problem.

My connection is still timing out. :(

"Our connection has been rejected because we have provided invalid identification data." :confused:

how is it now?

Note for future reference -- don't try to restart a pitboss and log into another game at the same time.

Works now Dave. Thanks!!

It's working now. :)

Wow... I declared without thinking...

btw, why is Regent the Greater Mongolian Empire? shouldn't the one with the most cities be greater not lesser? :hmm:

Anyhoo... I just needed my boat to get passage :p

so will we be down to 13 players soon then? hattie isnt lookin too good either.

nah I think tubs needs his boat...

grs and Dave..I have an ax I would like back towards my territory..I hate to have to kill a worker to get through your borders...either one of you want to let me pass? After I am out you can close your borders again. IF not I might have to kill that worker working that rice or maybe start pillaging. Grs..that warrior of yours looks like a great promotion for my ax too.:)

OB has to be for 10 turns. or a declaration.

Mongolia is always looking for trading partners. :thanx:

Robboo, see how much you can get Tubby to pay your for "Stop Trading With the Mongols"

I am currently not trading with you so I doubt he will give me anything...besides Tubby and I are in a sort of Mexican stadnoff over a flood plains area right now.

..now if you wan to make deal for gunpowder maybe we can talk. I just want my ax back and if I am going to lose him...well he is going to kill something on his way out.

"its not over till you're in the ground" is my troops motto.

btw, why is Regent the Greater Mongolian Empire? shouldn't the one with the most cities be greater not lesser? :hmm:
It's "Greater" in the sense that this Mongolian Empire is further away than the motherland, almost like a colony.

You could consider Australia and India, back in the day, a member of the Greater British Empire.

DaveMcW...thanks for the open borders..you popped that border so fast I couldnt get back home.( you must be running some culture to pop a border that soon after founding a city.)

We can terminate the deal after I am past.

We can terminate the deal after I am past.Actually you can't. OB are for 10 turns minimum. Although you can declare on Dave and then your OB agreement will be nullified.

Oh and I forgot to thank RM for the open borders. Nice archers in your capital RM. 8 more and you can join with Theoden to get a WC team.. Sort of like Trinidad & Tobago or Serbia and Montenagra

well then 10 turns we can address that..

archers...poor guy.:mischief: :evil:

It is down again. I hope I won't miss a turn to that again :(

i was on it before, there were 13 hours to go when i was on, so you should be able to play :)


i was on about 6.45pm my time.

Well 13 hours is not much if you work 12, drive 2 and have to sleep sometimes, but I still have hope.

I'm timing out too.

Tubby, your warlike actions will not be forgotten by the Empire. Archers or not, your despicible galley cannot win. Good luck bringing reinforcements...

yup, well ill be here tomorrow, you could tell me your password and i could go in and have a look around ;)

I'm timing out too.

Tubby, your warlike actions will not be forgotten by the Empire. Archers or not, your despicible galley cannot win. Good luck bringing reinforcements...

bold words from a puppet...

Puppet to the most powerful man in the game.

yep...I got no beef with Dave. However..I dont like puppets.

Puppet to the most powerful man in the game.


is it not boring though? you cant have much to do.