click enter..click enter....dont log on for days..click enter.

sounds fun

is it not boring though? you cant have much to do.
I find it interesting. It's a different part of the game that I never get to play. Kind of like playing a varient in Civ III.

click enter..click enter....dont log on for days..click enter.

sounds fun
I have been busy this past week, with graduation and work. I struggled to even get time to log on CFC. Sue me.

Re-man..its joking man...dont take it so seriously...but if you need time away from the pitboss game just let me know and I might be able to help you not have to worry about it any more.:)

It has been restarted, with 6:56 left on the clock from this post.

I will be taking the family out of town from the morning of July 1st thru the evening of July 4th. Since it is approaching the time of year for thunderstorms here, the system will be powered off. I don't really trust surge suppressors for unattended periods, and will probably unplug the cable connection too.

Re-man..its joking man...dont take it so seriously...
Sorry. The lack of any smilies, and the general wording, seemed to be more of an aggressive post.

:king:

Sorry. The lack of any smilies, and the general wording, seemed to be more of an aggressive post.

this is an aggressive post .....


:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:


:lol:

Damn you got thebes just before me grs:)

glad my warrior left the area before the blood bath started.. he has a weak stomach

glad my warrior left the area before the blood bath started.. he has a weak stomachI liked your original message better ;)

I liked your original message better ;)

what message..:mischief: ;) :D didnt want it to be misunderstood

Tubby you are such an idiot. and I mean that with the utmost respect that I can have for you...which isnt much:D :p

I find it interesting. It's a different part of the game that I never get to play. Kind of like playing a varient in Civ III.



oh ok, well cant say i would but each to their own.

I'm timing out. Please don't shoot me!

I got on just fine about an hour ago (although I did notice that it takes longer to connect than it used to)

Also.. I don't have to scroll now to find myself :)

And i thought i was the only one who liked not having to scroll to see all the civs involved in the game,

Sorry for crying wolf. It works for me now. :blush:

Have any of you guys seen this? Looks cool.

Pitboss web stats (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=4128863&postcount=1)

timing out now???

I had a power outage today and internet is screwy..anyone else cant get on right now...( if any o fyou are awake)

I'm timing out too.

yeah I timed out about 30 minutes ago.

Have any of you guys seen this? Looks cool.

Pitboss web stats (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=4128863&postcount=1)


i think i saw/posted that while back, not totally sure what it would do though.

well for one thing is that it could tell you how long you have left on the current turn in case you are away from your computer. Or let you know if a new turn has started instead of having to log on to find out if the turn has changed yet.

well for one thing is that it could tell you how long you have left on the current turn in case you are away from your computer. Or let you know if a new turn has started instead of having to log on to find out if the turn has changed yet.

Totally agree, it can be a pain having to log in all the time to see how long it is to go, this would be quick and easy to check, plus you can see if its offline too.

Oh wow thats awesome! and it has civIVor on! :D

I PM'ed that guy to see how to get this game added

I PM'ed that guy to see how to get this game added
Cool. That's what they call teamwork Tubs. I find it, think it's cool but really have no idea how to make it work and you actually know what it does, how to do it and put it in motion. I guess that's why you got A's while I got B's and C's
:lol:

anyone know whats happening with innovia and playiong the turn?

Don't know anything about it, Dave normally plays, but I haven't seen him on the last few days (maybe someone else should play now?)

normally the procedure yes.

RegentMan, go whip Innovia into shape. ;)

Is it live? I can't remember if I fixed it the last time the internet glitched. I know for sure that I saved it then, so it will be possible to pick up from that point if necessary.

The web stat thing sounds really cool, but not sure if I'm able to serve it.

No it is not live.

I'll be on holiday for the next three weeks. In the meantime, we have let Matrix out of his cell and he will be taking over :) If you have any diplomatic messages, please send them to Matrix.

Still not online... I'll be gone for a week starting Saturday morning.... any groveling :worship: should be done at DaveShack's feet as he is your proxy Tubby for the last week of June. That is if the game is back online :mischief:

Hey Dave..tubby owes me 100 gold...can I get it soon. ;)

Have a fun trip Tubby....You should still have a civ when you get back.

Game's back up.

Mongolia declares war on Greece to support our friend India.

Who's Greece? It's been a while... ;)

Mongolia declares war on Greece to support our friend India.

I'm touched by all the love. So is there a special on or something this month, start one war, get a second one for free:D

Btw- should i just declere war on regentman and save him the trouble

has the new turn started yet?

nope ~ 6 hours from now

Btw- should i just declere war on regentman and save him the troubleI think that he needs to ask permission :lol:


btw, DS.... RobiD is Greece if you hadn't figured it out yet.

Sorry kuningas..I really wanted that city before my trip.:)

I think that he needs to ask permission :lol:
:rotfl:


btw, DS.... RobiD is Greece if you hadn't figured it out yet.

He was just having some fun Tubby, hence the ;)

better safe than sorry anyways, my trick of 'tubs owes me some cities i tried on pitboss before didnt really work as it was tubby i was talking to :(

Discovered it offline, saved it, restarted it.

dave how come matrix it says is the AI but your name doesnt say AI?

dave how come matrix it says is the AI but your name doesnt say AI?

Because Matrix was killed while online and when that happened it didn't take him to the final score screen but left him in the game with fog of war everywhere so he retired from the game which effectively means the AI takes over where Dave didn't retire so the AI didn't take over. If that makes sense

oh right k, yer it does make sense

Oh yeah and Regentman, you don't need to worry about asking DaveMcW, i've declered war on you for your convience:goodjob: :lol:

Meh, whatever floats your boat. T'will be sunk soon, don't worry. :)

Meh, whatever floats your boat. T'will be sunk soon, don't worry. :)

Yes i'm sure your contribution will be the deciding factor;)

And that's the fun of it: you don't know...

And that's the fun of it: you don't know...

Don't worry once i've finished off grs and dave i'll let you give me all your gold, if you want you can get in early and start now if you like:D

BTW Happy 100 turns to everyone, even those how are no longer with us.

Don't worry once i've finished off grs and dave i'll let you give me all your gold, if you want you can get in early and start now if you like:D

BTW Happy 100 turns to everyone, even those how are no longer with us.


scared the S*** out of me before when i saw Matrix's name back in there :D

Don't worry once i've finished off grs and dave... You mean, you and 5 others or will there be even some more I don't not know of yet?

wheres the popcorn..this is starting to get interesting...


so we have Dave, Grs and Rm VS robi, and who? I have been out of town care to fill me in.

Robi, Meleager/Matrix, Whomp, Mauer, BCLG100

cool....this ought to be fun to watch. IF yall all kill each other off it makes it much easier for me to win. Good luck all of you...( in killing each other off)

OK I will start the bidding for my services at 1 tech...or 20gpt.

Mongolia declares war on Greece to support our friend India.
Right back at ya. England declares on Mongolia and its minion to support our friend, the Greeks.

cool....this ought to be fun to watch. IF yall all kill each other off it makes it much easier for me to win. Good luck all of you...( in killing each other off)

OK I will start the bidding for my services at 1 tech...or 20gpt.


hmm, i'd say id be worth at least 2.

OK I got a bid on one tech which I am 3 turns from..Do I hear 2 techs or something more?

I am building lots of troops and have peace for many more years with my neighbors to the south since I helped with Russia. So its up to which side wants me. :) I have an idea who I'd like to help...

Otherwise I may sit back and eat my popcorn and watch this world war( and build infrastructure, and missionaries)

i bid not whooping you so badly as i will do in our 2 vs 2 pbem.

i bid not whooping you so badly as i will do in our 2 vs 2 pbem.

ahhh BC go to bed. We are teammates in both of the 2vs 2 PBEMS we are playing. IF you mean our 1 on 1 death match...ha. you dont even know where my city is..but I see yours.

Right back at ya. England declares on Mongolia and its minion to support our friend, the Greeks.

Mongolia offers peace to Greece and England, if you will give peace to our friend India.

Or do you really want a world war? :mischief:

ahhh BC go to bed. We are teammates in both of the 2vs 2 PBEMS we are playing. IF you mean our 1 on 1 death match...ha. you dont even know where my city is..but I see yours.

rob i told you i could see your city about a thousand years ago, whether you chose to believe me is a complete other matter :).

Mongolia offers peace to Greece and England, if you will give peace to our friend India.

Or do you really want a world war? :mischief:
I guess that shows I was on the chopping block soon anyways :lol:

Mauer, you didn't honor me with a declaration of war. :(

(Ok, now I logged in and see you declared too.)

I'll forgive you and include Spain in the Treaty of Karakorum.

Mongolia is a long way from Spain. It could take us a very long time, allowing for barbarian hordes and what not, for our official envoy to be received by the "Mongolian Horde".

Mongolia is a long way from Spain. It could take us a very long time, allowing for barbarian hordes and what not, for our official envoy to be received by the "Mongolian Horde".
Didn't you mean Mongolian Horde plus a minion?

Mongolia offers peace to Greece and England, if you will give peace to our friend India.

Or do you really want a world war? :mischief:


Wow i haven't even seen a Keslik and your throwing in the towel.

@robboo i trade you some popcorn for 2gpt, if you want it pre popped then it will be 3gpt;)

I have it popped already..still want to give me that gold.

robboo, how about a few indian workers? I don't have any, but I know who does :D

hmmm....I could always use workers. Are they still fast or did you slow them down a bit by beating on them a bit. I do however need more than just a few workers I can get that by attacking Tubby.

Oh, I thought that's who we were talking about anyways!? :D

I'm timing out now.

dang it..right when a new turn is starting and i have to pick a new tech...

It seesm to die often at turn changes.

It did not die on the turn change, as I was already logged in this morning with 22:something left on the clock.

Timer's back up

In other news- The scribes of BCLG have been viciously murdered by the warriors of Cooliville-they claim that reading and writing is all well and good but not as much fun as hitting people with sticks. To this end they decided to introduce a Police like state-apparantly it helps make more sticks? and makes people less unhappy if the civ goes to war.

To test this theory the warriors of BCLG decided to go to war-declaring war on 3 people in one go (just to make extra sure things work correctly), they figured they liked the look of them indian curries as the nourishment they got from them would help them beat down the raging horde of Greater Mongolia :lol: ;) and seeing how their little sister would be destroyed decided to take on the larger Mongolia- more horses=more fun :).

So cut things short- India, Mongolia, RM-whatever you are. All your base belongs to me.

Hmm, surprised no reports of it being down...

Storms 3, computers 0 was the score tonight. (3 power hits)
Had to reload from a save taken Wednesday night at 8:15 PM MST (-7). :(

Hmm, surprised no reports of it being down...

Storms 3, computers 0 was the score tonight. (3 power hits)
Had to reload from a save taken Wednesday night at 8:15 PM MST (-7). :( :eek: that is evil.

Congrats on being the first to circumnavigate the globe btw.

I knew Tubby was up to something with those ships...

Damn storms ruining our fun, oh well i hope i remember all my moves correctly

Has it been reset again since daves last post?

No, it's still running with 17 on the clock, and I can still connect to write this message. :cool:

Think I'll try to write a mod to set the pitboss autosave time in hours instead of turns. Until then, guess I'll just save frequently.

Now for another announcement. I'll be out of town with the whole family starting tomorrow morning through the evening of July 4th. Obviously given all these thunderstorms it is extremely unwise to leave the system on. So, the game will be down.

Have fun dave-isnt it some July celebrations with you USA'ers sometime around now?

"Some July celebrations?"

Crazy BCLG. ;)

"Some July celebrations?"

Crazy BCLG. ;)


well i only remember something from cruel intentions where she was noshing him off in the car but i cant remember what it is.

Crazy BCLG-with a crazy number of boats coming your way :)

Well, fourth of July = fourteenth of July for you.

Bring them on!

And what happens on the 14th of July?????

Im sure your archers will put up a good fight :p

Nevermind i found out thanks to my FHM calendar, apparantly its your national hot dog eating contest on the 4th of July in New York-well have fun :)

My archers have since been rearmed, my friend.

Who cut the arms off of them ???

My archers have since been rearmed, my friend.

all 3 of them?

nah Dave probably gave him a few troops to avoid the cost of having to maintain such a large army:)

What else is a puppet for?

/crawling back to my popcorn. This is getting good.

Who cut the arms off of them ???

More to the point who re-attached them;)

@grs its nice to see the RNG has evened things up a bit

I take it that dave has shut the game down now.

what would be hilarious is if Regentman staged a coupe on Dave with the newly gifted forces. Oh and I can spy for you BCLG for a price ;) I can also be quiet Regentman.... again for a price :p

Why can't I log in? I have tried several times today...

Dave turned it off matrix due to storms and him going away. Thats a very nice offer tubby however i had a warrior there less than a turn ago so i have a fair idea of what is going on.

And yes that'd be funny, not going to happen but funny all the same :)

what would be hilarious is if Regentman staged a coupe on Dave with the newly gifted forces. Oh and I can spy for you BCLG for a price ;) I can also be quiet Regentman.... again for a price :p

The spy died even faster than BCLG's warrior... you can ask DaveShack for details.

when does the game go back up?

Now for another announcement. I'll be out of town with the whole family starting tomorrow morning through the evening of July 4th. Obviously given all these thunderstorms it is extremely unwise to leave the system on. So, the game will be down.
I would assume tonight according to this post. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't have it back on tonight though, given the holiday and all.

ah right ok so i imagine that means about tomorrow evening my time, dave is their any chance (when you get back) we could use that civstats program for this?

I'm back physically but have some to-dos. I'll look into the civstats thing, will hold off on starting up the game till I see what needs to be done to enable it.

are we starting from the beginning of a new turn?gives everyone the opportunity to play their turn.

The turn we're on, 770 AD, has been reloaded a couple of times from the autosave already. All but 3 players have completed the turn and it wouldn't be fair to resort to deja vu again. Yes, it will be a pain that they might not get to press the button on this turn, but it's being reactivated about the same time of day it was taken off.

The game is now showing up on the stats webpage, under "MTDG Test Game 2". :)

oh right no thats cool, i thought that the new turn may be up but that turn had been going for awhile.

Cool thanks Dave, your efforts are very appreiciated:goodjob:
Who know with people having to log in less often it might even stop some the crashes from happening as often, apart from the thunderstorms of course.:)

its damn helpfull for the civIVor game and also good for lurkers because you can begin to see a histogram style screen.

Dave what is the registration password. We can't register our leader without it :( ..

btw, here (http://www.apartment167.com/pitboss/viewgame.php?gameid=51) is the link for the webstats.

Timing out just now....

I just got in fine.

I love that civstats page already! :)

trying again.......nada

68.63.191.119 correct?


EDIT::: nope 68.63.191.219 :rolleyes:

ive been getting in fine, just copy and paste

BCLG100, I don't think our firewalls like each other. :(

The Indians apparently worship new gods...to be here and forever more known as the gods of R, N and G.

Nah, grs just has better karma than you. ;)

doesnt Karma make things equal in the end???

I would think that by attacking Dave at the beginning, that grs's karma wouldn't be that good any more.

I would think that by attacking Dave at the beginning, that grs's karma wouldn't be that good any more. I think that having an unprotected settler running around in a multiplayer game is like asking for an attack. :p

BCLG100, I don't think our firewalls like each other. :(


sorry dave not sure why.

I think that having an unprotected settler running around in a multiplayer game is like asking for an attack. :p
true... that would be hard to resist. that detail was never revealed in the history books

I'd say "unprotected" is a slight exaggeration. Underprotected I'd agree with, as a single warrior doesn't give much protection against an archer. And there is the slight detail that it was unprotected the turn before it was attacked -- I had the settler on go-to and had to shut it off to keep it from walking straight to that archer, and the warrior caught up just in time to be slaughtered. :blush: At that early stage, an unprovoked attack didn't seem that likely, at least to someone playing his very first MP game. :rolleyes:

I had quite a few problems connecting while BCLG was in as well. And an OOS or two.

I had quite a few problems connecting while BCLG was in as well. And an OOS or two.


sorry i think its just because my computer is pretty sucky really, it takes about 10 minutes to load the game. Not sure how to hurry it up.

civ stats isnt working right....

Its time was supposed to be 9:30am and at 7:30am it said 2 hours. Now it says 1 hour left and 9:30am still. Also what time zone is the time set to? The timer changes but the time of turn end doesnt change.

What time zone is teh time of turn end set to anyway. Pacific and then it would be sorta close to right( minutes off instead of hours)

i guess we just need to kill BC off so the rest of us have a quicker game....without any troubles of loading when he is on.

/BC drop your graphics to the lowest setting. It sped my up by dropping to medium, I am going to drop it again soon.

I'd say "unprotected" is a slight exaggeration. Underprotected I'd agree with, as a single warrior doesn't give much protection against an archer. And there is the slight detail that it was unprotected the turn before it was attacked -- I had the settler on go-to and had to shut it off to keep it from walking straight to that archer, and the warrior caught up just in time to be slaughtered. :blush: At that early stage, an unprovoked attack didn't seem that likely, at least to someone playing his very first MP game. :rolleyes: It looked kind of confusing. When I attacked the settler, my archer was one tile away, as was your warrior. You were not logged in, I moved my archer to attack your settler and the result was, that I attacked your warrior, killed it and took the settler. It seems the game moved the automove when I attacked. From my POV it was unprotected when I attacked. I must admit, I felt provoked by an unescorted settler this early, but I would not have attacked it with the warrior on top.

I felt provoked by an unescorted settler this early:lol: That's almost as funny as my workers taking on Whomp

If you felt provoked by an unprotected settler...what do you feel now in the war? Really provoked. Or super duper provoked.:p

civ stats isnt working right....

Its time was supposed to be 9:30am and at 7:30am it said 2 hours. Now it says 1 hour left and 9:30am still. Also what time zone is the time set to? The timer changes but the time of turn end doesnt change.

What time zone is teh time of turn end set to anyway. Pacific and then it would be sorta close to right( minutes off instead of hours)

I think this goes back to how 24 hours on the pitboss clock is actually closer to 26 or 28. The civstats page is only adding the time left on the timer to the current time, and can't account for this "extended time". It is showing it in Pacific time, though.

is there a way to register your leader? I've created an account but it asks for some password that I have been unable to guess as of yet.

I need to contact the site owner to find out how to get the leader registration password set up.

grs can you end your turn? you've logged in for the past two turns and not ended your turn.

If you felt provoked by an unprotected settler...what do you feel now in the war? Really provoked. Or super duper provoked.:p
Oh great.
Nothing like provoking the guy whose RNG just wasted a pile of my horsies, Mister Peanut Gallery Guy. :p

Oh great.
Nothing like provoking the guy whose RNG just wasted a pile of my horsies, Mister Peanut Gallery Guy. :p


dont worry the RNG cant waste the stack that grs has coming to him, he can see half of what it is :) scared?:mischief:

hey I like being in the peanut galley...especially since I am in third in score while you guys fight with the 2 leaders.

oh wait that makes me a target...let me go disband those tanks. Dang culture/religion...

hey I like being in the peanut galley...especially since I am in third in score while you guys fight with the 2 leaders.

oh wait that makes me a target...let me go disband those tanks. Dang culture/religion...


*4th just so you know :p

I'll attack you if it makes you feel better Robboo..

Oh by the way, Dave (and your little friend grs) you now have one more civilization with that big red WAR next to it.

6 vs 2.01 WOW. This is going to be fun to watch.


nah Tub we dont want none of that fighting over here. Everything North of the River is mine everything South is yours.

I hope your units get there before the party's over. :)

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads12/Civ4ScreenShot0172.JPG

Wait a minute... what units? Theoden is ahead of you in power and I slaughered his entire army last turn.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads12/Civ4ScreenShot0173.JPG

All I can say is....Yikes! :eek:

And, I'm not Annoyed at DaveMcW. I am annoyed at Robboo for stealing that Russian city.

You wanted to know the cost of me helping you....that city was it. IF you want it.... come get it.

So the only ones not fighting are Sigma, George, Matrix/meleager and myself...dang interesting to say the least.

Sorry to spoil your party there davemcw but tubby is ahead of theoden in power. You might what to check those colours again. On another issue man thats a lot of red lines, it could almost be WW1

About the unprotected settler issue: It should be quite clear that you should not let someone grab land with unprotected settlers, since someone successfully doing that gains a huge advantage, that's the reason I felt "provoked" to attack it.

I do not feel provoked by you 6 declaring war on me, as it seems quite clear, that you need that many to win. I know that once the traitor BCLG attacks, I will be done quite soon.

@mauer: You had 3 successfull retreats with cats that had a 0% chance to win, so you should take that into consideration too. The battles you lost were all about 50% chance.

About the unprotected settler issue: It should be quite clear that you should not let someone grab land with unprotected settlers, since someone successfully doing that gains a huge advantage, that's the reason I felt "provoked" to attack it.

I do not feel provoked by you 6 declaring war on me, as it seems quite clear, that you need that many to win. I know that once the traitor BCLG attacks, I will be done quite soon.

@mauer: You had 3 successfull retreats with cats that had a 0% chance to win, so you should take that into consideration too. The battles you lost were all about 50% chance.


Now thats a bit harsh, we had a peace deal which i kept too and trading agreements. But there was little in the way of communication from you during periods where trade deals wernt for you, that and you said you'd help in the war against dave and then didnt which got me a bit jumpy.

Now thats a bit harsh, we had a peace deal which i kept too and trading agreements. But there was little in the way of communication from you during periods where trade deals wernt for you, that and you said you'd help in the war against dave and then didnt which got me a bit jumpy. Giving you copper when you had neither iron or copper was no help I guess? Giving you calender for free was a trade deal for me?

Well anyways, sure you have any right to attack me once our agreement runs out, but trying to sneak enemy forces through you lands to attack me from behind, while we are still cooperating it treacherous to me.

How many turns till you move your big stack towards me? :eek:

The registration password for civstats is mtdg2.

wow.. I just registered as me and it allows you to get emailed when a new turn starts (don't know if it works yet), and send diplo messages (I think that it's just within civstats though)

Giving you copper when you had neither iron or copper was no help I guess? Giving you calender for free was a trade deal for me?

Well anyways, sure you have any right to attack me once our agreement runs out, but trying to sneak enemy forces through you lands to attack me from behind, while we are still cooperating it treacherous to me.

How many turns till you move your big stack towards me? :eek:

erm 3 i believe since i last logged in. However not sure when the turn changed over.


I dont expect it to do much maybe just pillage around a bit :)

grs, is there a reason why you aren't ending your turn? it's the third time in a row that you have logged in and done something (at least once) but not hit the end turn button.

I dont expect it to do much maybe just pillage around a bit :)just remember, pillage THEN burn

The registration password for civstats is mtdg2.

I cant get it to work......any suggestions anyone.

grs, is there a reason why you aren't ending your turn? it's the third time in a row that you have logged in and done something (at least once) but not hit the end turn button.

we would have saved almost a whole day worth of sitting and waiting. If you can log in at a certain time wouldnt it be better to hit enter at least once...

If you want the game to move faster, I think you'll have more luck asking the admin to shorten the turn timer. Ending your turn early is a favor to the rest of the players, but you can hardly expect favors from someone you declared war on.

Well I guess them eliminated grs will have the same outcome. :)

If you want the game to move faster, I think you'll have more luck asking the admin to shorten the turn timer. Ending your turn early is a favor to the rest of the players, but you can hardly expect favors from someone you declared war on.so dragging out the game by not ending your turn is acceptable to you as his ally? I like grs, and didn't mean anything mean by my previous statements. I just enjoy playing, and as Robboo pointed out, we could have been one more turn ahead than we are now. I just find it odd that grs has logged into the game twice this turn and not hit the end turn button. If he forgot fine. but it has happened 3 turns in a row, and I was just pointing it out.

You are allowed to move units, adjust builds, change research, and hand out promotions after you hit end turn so if the reason he is delaying is to protect himself, it is possible to continue your turn while others are finishing.

just remember, pillage THEN burn


rape the houses and burn and pillage the women style?

I'm not saying I enjoy waiting. But I would do the same thing in his situation. There is a realtime component to this game, and grs certainly needs every advantage he can get.

Rather than try to change a player's strategy, I suggested we change the settings to make playing faster the optimal strategy.

I'm not saying I enjoy waiting. But I would do the same thing in his situation. There is a realtime component to this game, and grs certainly needs every advantage he can get.I guess I might the only one around that doesn't take his ball and go home. If someone starts attacking me, I'll take my beating and say thank you sir instead of delaying the inevitable.

I can see both sides, grs does have times where he cant play the turns for a long time however the times he does log in i dont see why he cant press enter?

I'm not saying I enjoy waiting. But I would do the same thing in his situation. There is a realtime component to this game, and grs certainly needs every advantage he can get.

Rather than try to change a player's strategy, I suggested we change the settings to make playing faster the optimal strategy.

This makes absolutely no sense...

So DaveMcW how fast do you want the turns?

Wow, you discuss 2 pages if my motives are good or evil without knowing them? That is ridiculous. I did not "take the ball home". If I wanted to do that, I could have quitted the game or stopped defending. I am just doing everything to hold as long as possible.

What can I say about delays?

1. This days turn only lasted few hours longer since Theoden just played a few hours before me.
2. Other have played late, forgotten to play or to end their turn since the game started. It have been many different people who "delayed" the game.
3. The game has been down numerous times due to a bug in the pitboss game, storms or whatever.

...and now you complain that due to my action in the recent three turn you may have lost 1 (I reapeat in capital letters "ONE") turn?

So what am I doing?

I try to play a part of the turn at the start of it and another part at the end of it. This sometimes gives me a better chance to survive some more turns. I considers this a perfectly acceptable tactic in my situation. If the majority considers this an illegeal tactic, I will stop it.

BUT: Please stop accusing me of something I am not doing. I am not delaying this game, I try to play it to the best of my skills, whether you like that or not.

Btw, if we change the turn time I have to quit anyways. That is not dependend on the situation in this game. You can see I posted the same about the CDZ game. I just mention that before you go on arguing about that for 2 pages again.

grs it's not a problem in my book and I'm one of the people fighting you.
You are an honorable, formidable opponent and your motives are fine.
Play on everyone.

grs, I'm mentioned this a couple of times before and there was no response. So I assumed that you had ignored it. I was originally asking why the "end turn " button wasn't pressed. Then Dave spoke as if he knew what you were doing (ie: delaying the game). So I went with that.

I agree with Whomp that you are a very honorable (probably the most honorable that I've played against) player. I am sorry for the way that it came accross and my intentions were just to make sure that you didn't forget. I understand that you can't play but at certain times. I was just asking that if you were done with the turn to press the button. If you aren't finished with the turn that's fine by me.

Civstats...problem fixed...

Make sure you used the http://www.civstats.com address and not the "apartment" one like I did. One wont let you log in and one will.

grs...you have to understand that its frustating for us to see someone log in 3 times in a day and not hit enter multiple days in a row. Civ stats is bad because we can see this I guess.

I'm glad everyone didn't see that I was doing the same thing in my war against Kuningas. I was logging in 3-4 times a day to spot any updates before deciding what to do with my turns sometimes.

grs it's not a problem in my book and I'm one of the people fighting you.
You are an honorable, formidable opponent and your motives are fine.
Play on everyone.
I'll second that :)

Btw, if we change the turn time I have to quit anyways. That is not dependend on the situation in this game. You can see I posted the same about the CDZ game. I just mention that before you go on arguing about that for 2 pages again.


notice i wasnt arguing against you :) i fully understand that you have work constraints-can't remember where you said it but you did somewhere.

Im having a little trouble with my civ disc-so i wont be able to play this turn till after i get back from work tomorrow, just telling you all in advance-my apologies.

i'm not having a go at you grs, if you want to hold on until everyone plays thats your choice of tactics which i have no problems with but what i guess some of the others were questioning is if everyone has played then it makes no difference if you end the turn earlier.

Now as for the reason why you are leaving your turns to the end i understand that you are worried about the potential of a double move being used. So to stop that from happening and to help the turns go a bit faster if we all come to a gentlemans agreement to leave lets say a 10 or 12hr delay between moves to avoid that from occuring. However we need everyone's agreement. Personally i'm happy to agree to that.

Maybe it is the difference in being used to play CIV III/CIV IV in PBEM games or not, but from my view, one turn per day is pretty fast. I see no reason to speed the game up. Double moves may be a problem, but that's a feature of a simultaneous game.

i'm not having a go at you grs, if you want to hold on until everyone plays thats your choice of tactics which i have no problems with but what i guess some of the others were questioning is if everyone has played then it makes no difference if you end the turn earlier.

Now as for the reason why you are leaving your turns to the end i understand that you are worried about the potential of a double move being used. So to stop that from happening and to help the turns go a bit faster if we all come to a gentlemans agreement to leave lets say a 10 or 12hr delay between moves to avoid that from occuring. However we need everyone's agreement. Personally i'm happy to agree to that.


if we do that we may as well change the turn timer, just leave things the way they are, sure its a little annoying waiting but it'll be something we have to deal with.

I made the offer as a way to keep the game flowing a bit better but if this is the way we keep it then so be it.

Hello robboo and Sigma!

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knock knock:) well I guess you see us...here we come. See your cities burning soon. Dave.:)

oh heck 7 versus 2.01.... See ya soon dave.

Maybe robboo ran out of popcorn:D

Btw- I see a lot more red lines coming

I have been waiting for this day for a while....I started fighting you Dave way back. This time...I brought some friends.( or they brougth me).

Is everyone SAFE :mischief:

I cant get it to work......any suggestions anyone.


try it on the civstats domain and not the other one and it works properly

Damn... and I had a dramatic speech all planned out.

Damn... and I had a dramatic speech all planned out.


give it anyway, everyone knew what i was doing i still gave a speech :)

I would like to hear it to Sigma...

and now you actually have to write one :p

Hmm, shall I try to give you some inspiration? ;)

"I, Sigma, ruler of a mickey-mouse nation have - after long, careful and sissy-wissy considerations - decided that I will be brave enough to join a coalition of 10:2, chosing carefully the time of the declaraion to get a maximum of loot with a minimum of risk."

Hmm, shall I try to give you some inspiration? ;)

"I, Sigma, ruler of a mickey-mouse nation have - after long, careful and sissy-wissy considerations - decided that I will be brave enough to join a coalition of 10:2, chosing carefully the time of the declaraion to get a maximum of loot with a minimum of risk."


lol pretty good, any body trump that?

Rm..are you still going to help grs even when he doesnt even count you as a 0.01 like I have been. Its not too late to change your mind. Of course you might wait so Dave doesnt erase you until we are nearby.

Robboo, it's not too late to change your mind either. :) Conquer Tubby with a couple cavalry and I'll be your ally for life.

Sure Dave...Now you attack grs and then I will attack Tubby. Would you turn on one of your alliance/coalition and trading partner.( I mean besides your puppet RM)


I might type dumb and act stupid...BUT I can tell when 2 people have made a game long deal to win together. My guess is domination victory by merging in a permanent alliance. I also guess you and grs made the deal shortly after Matrix got attacked.

See ya soon again Dave.

Oh and Dave..please dont tell me you honestly are afraid of RM turning on you. I mean despite what he said in his PMs before he was your vassal and I offered him my help if he could resist you longer. Why do you think I jumped in your war with Theoden. :)

I'm flattered that you think a 2-person alliance could conquer the world. I guess we'll find out if you're right now. :)

From what I've heard, the original dopile was going to be on me. Grs stuck his neck out and refused to participate. I can hardly backstab him after he defended me like that.

my password doesn't seem to be working... could I get kicked?nevermid.. it works now :crazyeye:

oh and about the 2 man alliance conquering the world... both of you suffered from the same good reputation that Matrix did. So people were targeting you from the beginning

I might type dumb and act stupid...BUT I can tell when 2 people have made a game long deal to win together. My guess is domination victory by merging in a permanent alliance. I also guess you and grs made the deal shortly after Matrix got attacked. That is a yes, a no and a yes to your guesses. Two out of three is not that bad.

A question that remains for me is how you dice it out, since the investment and the gains from the war will be devided very uneven. I know at least two rulers who lost a good deal of units without a gain and - though I know I will die - I will at least drag as many enemy units possible with me.

From what I've heard, the original dopile was going to be on me. Grs stuck his neck out and refused to participate. I can hardly backstab him after he defended me like that. I'd be flattered if that's really true. I thought it was more like a test if we are allied or not, or was there really someone so stupid to tell me of the invasion plans towards DaveMcW beforehand ;)

oh and about the 2 man alliance conquering the world... both of you suffered from the same good reputation that Matrix did. So people were targeting you from the beginning That is not the worst reason to be attacked, I'd say.

That is not the worst reason to be attacked, I'd say.


My reasoning there tbh, your too good a player to have as close to me as you are so allthough it meant braking our agreements thing then i had to take this opportunity.

It permanant alliance enabled? I didn't think it was not that it matters in this point in time. As for the 10 v 2 DaveMcW that comes down to the simple fact that while you were conquering your neighbours i was making friends with mine. As for BCLG grs if you check i gave him a lot more trades and help then you did.

A question that remains for me is how you dice it out, since the investment and the gains from the war will be devided very uneven. I know at least two rulers who lost a good deal of units without a gain and - though I know I will die - I will at least drag as many enemy units possible with me.

That's a very good point. I assume Theoden will be given back his land, and they are probably offering RegentMan his land too. But with DaveShack, Cleopatra, and Saladin eliminated, BCLG is going to be too strong no matter how grs's land is divided.

Maybe mauer will be forcibly exiled to the Mongolian homeland?

Matrix/Meleager will have to tread very carefully, if he grabs too much territory he will be next on the dogpile list. Of course if Meleager doesn't return soon Matrix is probably doomed anyway (big name and all).

That's a very good point. I assume Theoden will be given back his land, and they are probably offering RegentMan his land too. But with DaveShack, Cleopatra, and Saladin eliminated, BCLG is going to be too strong no matter how grs's land is divided.

Maybe mauer will be forcibly exiled to the Mongolian homeland?

Matrix/Meleager will have to tread very carefully, if he grabs too much territory he will be next on the dogpile list. Of course if Meleager doesn't return soon Matrix is probably doomed anyway (big name and all).


As far as i know Regentman's getting squat. Not sure if Theodens getting his land back tbh, thats his fault for losing it in the first place.

And me too strong??? dunno what your talking about.

And can you imagine if we took delhi dave? with its hinduism shrine and everything??? seeing right into nearly every city you have-oh the joy!

And the plot thickens.......Suddenly the Spanish ambassador to the Aztec homeland doesn't feel quite as warm and cozy all the sudden.

hmm.. Let's all attack our neighbors. I've been eyeing those crabs right by my capital. They've been taunting me ever since the first turn. My work boat will crush them :lol:

Indeed Tubby. The crabs have spread to my borders as well. A call to arms people! Before the crabs take over the world!

That's a very good point. I assume Theoden will be given back his land, and they are probably offering RegentMan his land too. But with DaveShack, Cleopatra, and Saladin eliminated, BCLG is going to be too strong no matter how grs's land is divided.

Maybe mauer will be forcibly exiled to the Mongolian homeland?

Matrix/Meleager will have to tread very carefully, if he grabs too much territory he will be next on the dogpile list. Of course if Meleager doesn't return soon Matrix is probably doomed anyway (big name and all).


That very Napoleon of you DaveMcW, trying to divide the alliance against you. Full marks for effort:)

Wow I finally figured out while Dave is so upset with Sigma and I attacking...He just donated some troops to grs.:)

Indian keshicks..

:lol:.. well then when I land some troops up there, then hopefully grs will still have those monsters.

Wow I finally figured out while Dave is so upset with Sigma and I attacking...He just donated some troops to grs.:)

Indian keshicks..

:lol: Sounds like my dinner.

By the way i can't resist, but is dave going to be an Indian giver and ask for those back :confused:

I got a fine number of obsoletes - all the way more modern then what you throw at me Robi. I think Dave will still have some units left to defend with.

yes they are more modern now...but you guys are down 4 techs and increasing everyday.

We might get to test that tank vs out dated unit battle.

I got a fine number of obsoletes - all the way more modern then what you throw at me Robi. I think Dave will still have some units left to defend with.

They weren't worth upgrading, think of it as a stocktake clearance, and yet my fine obsoletes were only beaten by that very good RNG you seem to be enjoying. The only thing you have changed by holding on is that i've had to re direct my modern units from other tasks

hmm.. Let's all attack our neighbors. I've been eyeing those crabs right by my capital. They've been taunting me ever since the first turn. My work boat will crush them :lol:


you mean attacking with the workers was just a ruse???

how dastardly of you.

My workers have been armed with shovels and deadly body odor

'The army of BCLG got bored with waiting around today and decided that it should get its arse in gear and move about and maybe do a bit of damage. Rumours have it that upon entering Indian territory a couple of the units were struck down with what the medics have called 'lack of arsedness' and decided to wait at home to make sure no-one decided to attack while their brothers were busy elsewhere. Spies around grs rumoured for him to have said 'oh s***' '

do you mind sharing your home defense with the rest of us?

do you mind sharing your home defense with the rest of us?


well ive got one elite tank with the runs, a modern armout with a varying set of STI's and about 5 grenadiers which flit in and out of my top 2 cities.

then of course some of you may have seen im building the manhattan project in the 'boom boom room', shortly i will have nukes being produced and an SDI in the Loveshack.

ive also got some killer crabs over here tubs, after your frolicing sheep.

:lol: I'm glad you're building the Manhattan project since that enables me to build those nukes ;)

Ah yes but theres only one source of uranium on the entire map, right under the city of madras-hence the war with grs!!!

Ah yes but theres only one source of uranium on the entire map, right under the city of madras-hence the war with grs!!!
On a balanced map? :p

On a balanced map? :p


fine the other source is under your city, not much use there though is it :p

RM...so when will you start back stabbing Dave. Have you been prebuilding units like we discussed.

Theoden..join the party.

Unfortunately robboo, I think you're confused, as I have no idea what you're talking about. There will be no http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e194/TitanicWhiz18/Smilies/backstab.gif on Bataar RegentMan's part. My fate is the same as Dave's, whether it means victory or defeat.

Unfortunately robboo, I think you're confused, as I have no idea what you're talking about. There will be no http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e194/TitanicWhiz18/Smilies/backstab.gif on Bataar RegentMan's part. My fate is the same as Dave's, whether it means victory or defeat.


surely if dave won then it'd be his victory and you'd still lose?

ok then.. defeat it is :p

defeat...

Remember I won the bid on removing RM from the game. My stack is on the way RM. Its small and outdated but more than enough for your city.

Server down?

i sure hope not..I might actually get to kill your worker this time:)

/dont worry even if given thr opportunity I wont do it...Fair is fair. :)

Server down?
Afraid so:( Just checked its timing out for me too

It's back up now.

@Theoden: I cant connect when you are in; since half an hour.

dammit theoden your doing a me! wouldya get off the game so i could connect already-you've been there for like half an hour :p

theoden must have left the game running or didnt exit to desk top. It was suggested in CFC multiplayer forums that if people didnt exit to desk top with certain firewalls and setttings it could cause this problem. Everybody exit to desk top when you are done.

Well, if BCLG connects it is pause for me anyways. Everytime you move a unit, I have to wait 10-20 seconds.

Well, if BCLG connects it is pause for me anyways. Everytime you move a unit, I have to wait 10-20 seconds.


sorry, again cant help the connection i have. ive tried speeding it up but not sure what else i can do.

Is exiting to Main menu ok? I've been doing that since I have another pitboss game to check in on.

well i figure it is as thats all ive been doing.

Sorry, guys :blush: I left the game running because I was doing a lot of diplomacy and needed to constantly check the game for info (but during that period there apparantly were no failed connection attempts, and my firewall hasn't blocked anyone in this game before). I then forgot about it for 1-2 hours when I left the computer, and when I came back there were 20 "another player failed connection" messages. :eek:

Sorry, guys :blush: I left the game running because I was doing a lot of diplomacy and needed to constantly check the game for info (but during that period there apparantly were no failed connection attempts, and my firewall hasn't blocked anyone in this game before). I then forgot about it for 1-2 hours when I left the computer, and when I came back there were 20 "another player failed connection" messages. :eek:


yer sorry, that mighta been me 4/5/6/7/8 times :D

Is exiting to Main menu ok? I've been doing that since I have another pitboss game to check in on.


Nope exiting to desk top is the only way to stop the problem..however once you exit to desk top after fixing the other pitboss game it will be OK. IF yu notice on the civ stats page..if it sasy you have logged out tehn you have even if you went to eh other game. The biggest problems werer reported when peopel went adn played AI games not other pitboss or multiplayer games.

It doesnt( shouldnt) stop people it only slowes down the game loading for them. I posted on this before and ihave been looking in the multiplayer forum but ant find it. It was buried in another thread not related to connectivity.

I can't tell how happy i am that you approve of my choice of civics DaveMcW:D

i don't know if its just me but i can't connect to daveshack. i had a look at the apartment167 site and it says whomp is online.

http://www.civstats.com/viewgame.php?gameid=51

try that link Robi...( unless you meant the civistats.com site, the apartment site in incorrect.)

I cant connect either. Last on was mauer.

from civstats
The uploader is currently not connected, so stats might be out of date.


Dave prolly won't be available for a few hours.

Here's a case where the stats page isn't always the best way.

I noticed it was down around 2:30 AM and fixed it, but the uploader didn't kick off and needed a button pressed this morning.

anyone know why on civstats my civ doesnt show up on the score line? ive registered and everything.

I think it ran out of colors for the lines..check teh other games. No game has more than 9 civ with a colored score line.

mine doesn't either... I think that he only has enough lines for 9 people. It could be the first 9 in the list where you select your civ.

is there an echo in here...

Now, now play nice in the sandbox, children.
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echo in here...

ok thanks tubby your post was most informative ;)

It shows lines for the civs that he could tell what the color should be, and doesn't for the ones with oddball colors. Adding in the remaining civs colors using the values from the xml file is on his todo list.

The graph really needs to be taller too, being so squashed it's really hard on the eyes. :crazyeye:

I guess this means diplo victory is out?

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