The purpose of this thread is to request audio from the Sound team:

Audio required:

(none right now, thanks guys!)

(themes are what plays when you are in the diplomacy window with that civ, it needs to be 20-60 seconds and loop)

Reserved for ideas under consideration.

I was just thinking: Do we need religion-specific ambient sounds? Like wails emanating from Veil/Overlords cities when you zoom in on them, marching from Order cities, leaves rustling from the Fellowship, hammers ringing from the Runes?

Different chants, like the ones from conversions in Vanilla? I love the Jewish chant, I once converted to Judaism just so I could spread it far and wide...

Religion specific ambient sounds would be nice, as long as they weren't obtrusive and/or repetitive. I don't zoom all the way in to my cities that much, but such sounds could carry over into the city screen. The Jewish chant is cool, but it mught be aggravating on repeat every 5 seconds. ;)

Yeah, that's a trap one has to avoid. You should try zooming around the map a bit, the way the ambient sounds change depending on your zoom is really quite a neat touch.

Added a request for some civ themes.

How are copyright rules? Is any music allowed, even from cd's, since it's a non-commercial mod?

How are copyright rules? Is any music allowed, even from cd's, since it's a non-commercial mod?

My rule of thumb (and only my rule, im pretty sure im violating copyright anyway) is that I use anything for the sound bytes (I claim fair use) but I only use full sounds for music that the owner is allowing public downloads of. So I use Enya clips, but I wouldn't use an Enya song for the soundtrack.

Fair enough. I've just digged up an old cd with the soundtrack of the game CaveWars - an extremely crappy games which is ages old, but the music is pretty nice, especially fitting for the darker civs. I'll try to cut out a few sound segments.
EDIT: It'll have to be tomorrow. Can't find my stupid audio editor program, and I must be off to bed before too long.

I've got something that would work great for the Sidar. I'll email it over.

I've got something that would work great for the Sidar. I'll email it over.

It sounds great. I cut it, added a fade out and linked it over in the Civ thread. Thanks!

Welcome! I already had a fade out, the end where I cut it was originally about twice as loud hehe.

Any plans for a new sound when an Adept turns desert into plains? I can't place what Vanilla sound is playing now, but it doesn't work well IMO.

Any plans for a new sound when an Adept turns desert into plains? I can't place what Vanilla sound is playing now, but it doesn't work well IMO.

Yeah, I need a ton of spell sounds. Im going to try to hunt some down. If you come across any decent wav or mp3s, send them across.

Yeah, I need a ton of spell sounds. Im going to try to hunt some down. If you come across any decent wav or mp3s, send them across.
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Well obviously anything from Jethro Tull would be perfect for revitalizing the land or positive terraforming. :p

Any plans way down the road to have someone (Kael) do a voiceover instead the Nimoy we get when the game is being generated? I figure you could have a 30-60 second spiel about what FfH is.

Also, how about the same with Tech quotes? I think that would be cool as hell.

Any plans way down the road to have someone (Kael) do a voiceover instead the Nimoy we get when the game is being generated? I figure you could have a 30-60 second spiel about what FfH is.

Also, how about the same with Tech quotes? I think that would be cool as hell.

Piglet was gonna do it but his movie got approved and he was sent to Canada.

Piglet was gonna do it but his movie got approved and he was sent to Canada.

I have no idea what you mean. Congrats to Piglet on getting a movie approved though.

I hope Piglet will never do voiceovers....

I have no idea what you mean. Congrats to Piglet on getting a movie approved though.

:D The guy who does the voice for piglet in the movies is a fan of FfH and offered to do the voice over work. He was actually the guy who suggested the monster lairs that grant monster emmigrants. But his movie got approved and he got sent to canada.

That's kind of funny, disturbing, and well distrubing. :) Good for him though. Can he sound like something other than Piglet?

That's kind of funny, disturbing, and well distrubing. :) Good for him though. Can he sound like something other than Piglet?

I didnt ask, but I hope so. It would be weird to hear piglet describing the fall of Bhall.

... although Tigger would have made a good demon summoner.

"The wonderful thing about demons is demons are wonderful things! Their bodies are made out of fire, their horns are for piercing. They kill and kill and kill and kill....."

hehe... would fit nicely...

Do we have some nice burning or spell sounds? right now the new fireball/meteor/entange models on my PC howl and tap like wolfes...

hehe... would fit nicely...

Do we have some nice burning or spell sounds? right now the new fireball/meteor/entange models on my PC howl and tap like wolfes...

Insteresting, is anyone else having this? It should be the same sound as in phase 1 but it is speced for a 3d spell now instead of a 2d.

No no the ones i created (as i use the wolf animations).. I need sounds to link in the animation files ;)

Something that is very needed is a new sound for the Copper Golem (or all golems?). When you select them it's defaulted to a vanilla sound I can't quite place. It doesn't work though.

How long are the sound effect sounds? I have a guy at work who has audio software out the wazoo, but it's all Apple. Does that matter?

How long are the sound effect sounds? I have a guy at work who has audio software out the wazoo, but it's all Apple. Does that matter?

1-2 seconds for sound effects. If he can export to wav or mp3 then we are all set. If not dens me a test file and ill see if i can convert it.

1-2 seconds for sound effects. If he can export to wav or mp3 then we are all set. If not dens me a test file and ill see if i can convert it.

Kael, do you want to make a wishlist here, via PM, or email for me? He said he has a lot of software he'd like to mess with and also a huge library of stuff he can morph into cool sounds.

Hehe that means a lot of Hexediting for Kael as most Sounds are invokes in the .kf Animation files of the units. :(

I request some sounds for the War machine...
squeaking wood, slaughtering inncocents, saws.. metal on bone.. such things

I request some sounds for the War machine...
squeaking wood, slaughtering inncocents, saws.. metal on bone.. such things

Is there a way in game to link the sound to the action? Would running over a tree tile signal the sawing, destroying a hamlet trigger the slaughtering of innocents, and so on? Or a 1-2 second combo of all of those sounds?

Or is this a sound for when you select the unit and it moves? Is that a different sound?

Sorry, but I'm an audio noob...

There are sounds defined for all actions that are linked to animations. So there would be one sound then the thing moves, one when it dies, one on attack (pillaging i think is an attack) and so forth.

Okay. So gears turning when it moves, gears grinding or metal screeching when it dies, and mayhem when it attacks. I'll see if my buddy can come up with something.

Is there a way in game to link the sound to the action? Would running over a tree tile signal the sawing, destroying a hamlet trigger the slaughtering of innocents, and so on? Or a 1-2 second combo of all of those sounds?

Or is this a sound for when you select the unit and it moves? Is that a different sound?

Sorry, but I'm an audio noob...

I will have an onMove() for the war machine and I can kick out special sounds for wiping a forest or a hamlet so i would love to have those. But as chalid says we will need general sounds for the normal animations too.

I will have an onMove() for the war machine and I can kick out special sounds for wiping a forest or a hamlet so i would love to have those. But as chalid says we will need general sounds for the normal animations too.

Okay. And these are .wav or mp3 saves? I'll ask him about these and see how he does and if he's willing to do more, many more.

I finally have 11 megs of sounds in my inbox at home. I'll take a listen to them later and send them to you Kael. My buddy said it was very hard to do without the game, but with critiquing he could tweak his stuff.

I finally have 11 megs of sounds in my inbox at home. I'll take a listen to them later and send them to you Kael. My buddy said it was very hard to do without the game, but with critiquing he could tweak his stuff.

Woo hoo! Definitly send them my way when you have a chance. And be sure to thank your friend for us!

Email away!

I went through them all and swiped a few for spell effects. Some fo the tunes are a little to techno for the mod. I could use more stuff just like this but more natural sounding.

I went through them all and swiped a few for spell effects. Some fo the tunes are a little to techno for the mod. I could use more stuff just like this but more natural sounding.

:lol: Yeah, we're both heavy into Industrial music so that doesn't shock me that it's too techno.

I'll mention the natural stuff to him.

Another email sent. 20 ambient sounds.

Another email sent. 20 ambient sounds.

I love them, very haunting and atmospheric. Im definitly going to use some (if not all) of them. See if he can make any "boom" or "woosh" noises, animal screeches (like some demonic beast being summoned) would also be excellent.

I gave him your feedback so once he wakes up and reads it maybe he'll keep after it.

Another email sent. Some wild ones in this pack. :D

Geez, 10 days until I got to them. I am working through my list but Im a little behind trying to get everything ready. :D

I love this batch woodelf. So of the sounds are to mellatic, but there are a few in here that are the perfect eerie/haunting sounds I was looking for. Thank your friend and please tell him to send more!

10 days? I could have handed them to your wife to bring to you!

What sort of stuff do you need? More ambient? Longer?

10 days? I could have handed them to your wife to bring to you!

What sort of stuff do you need? More ambient? Longer?

Ambiant, natural (or natural twisted in unnatural ways). The length is perfect, dont make them any longer or shorter. I checked in 6 spell sounds out of the last batch.

I hope you changed the create plains sound! That one bugs me. :)

Twisted natural sounds is something he can surely do!

Just in case... can he make dragon sounds? (Animations are 9% done :/ but im getting faster)

Dragon? Like a roar or something more menacing?

Kael - Did anything he concocted measure up to the War Machine?

And maybe Losha need new sounds too :mischief:

We also need the sound for founding the Cult. It's the Veil sound right now.

If you want me to ask my friend Kael needs to give me length of times and how many sounds are needed.

If you want me to ask my friend Kael needs to give me length of times and how many sounds are needed.

Makes sense, let me go through the spells and see what sounds would be the most helpful.

We could definitly use a nice long dragon roar for the founding of the Cult sound.

I could use that too ;)

I think he's working on dragon type stuff tonight. I hope he is anyhow. :)

I have some more audio, but won't be able to send it out until later tonight. He said he tried for some "fire" sounds or dragon type stuff.

Audio sent. There are some spectacular dragon-ish type sounds.

Chalid - do you want me to pick out the dragon sounds and send them to you since it might be 10 days before Kael gets them? :p

Year sent them over. :)

It will be 10 days till i start with sounds, but this way i'll have them at the time ;)

I'll try to pick out the sci-fi ones.

edit - PM sent because I need your email again.

How is the Music files coming? I like to hear some music if i'm not into a religion or don't got any. I like to listen to calm, soft music, a little bit of some battle music, and other nice music.

It's probably way too late to suggest music and Cirque de Soleil is pretty unique and interesting, but I could not help but mention King Crimson for evocative instrumental music. Some are pretty sinister sounding and fits well for evil civs and religions.

If interested I can try to create fragments of mp3s that might fit well.

Some of their instrumental works to check out:

Devil's Triangle, In the Wake of Poseidon
Lark's Tongue in Aspic Part One
The Talking Drum, Lark's Tongue in Aspic
Sheltering Sky, Discipline

It's probably way too late to suggest music and Cirque de Soleil is pretty unique and interesting, but I could not help but mention King Crimson for evocative instrumental music. Some are pretty sinister sounding and fits well for evil civs and religions.

If interested I can try to create fragments of mp3s that might fit well.

Some of their instrumental works to check out:

Devil's Triangle, In the Wake of Poseidon
Lark's Tongue in Aspic Part One
The Talking Drum, Lark's Tongue in Aspic
Sheltering Sky, Discipline

I dont think its a good idea to use copyrighted music. Even if its only in short parts.

I dont think its a good idea to use copyrighted music. Even if its only in short parts.

As long as no one makes money of the mod - it'd be fair use "Omaging".

Every song used is a sort of tribute to that person, because it'd be put into a story we all love...sort of thing.
-Qes

As long as no one makes money of the mod - it'd be fair use "Omaging".

Every song used is a sort of tribute to that person, because it'd be put into a story we all love...sort of thing.
-Qes

Well, when you add a copyrighted song to a mod, you are giving it away for free. And aslong as the makers of the song or the producers, or the publishers of the song doesnt want the song to be given out for free it is basically music piracy.

Well, when you add a copyrighted song to a mod, you are giving it away for free. And aslong as the makers of the song or the producers, or the publishers of the song doesnt want the song to be given out for free it is basically music piracy.

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We're playing a game in which pirates are loved. Anyway, if you cut out "peices of the song" its not the whole song, in fact, it may drive people to go and BUY the song.

Regardless, im fairly certain it's covered under US Fair use termenology.
-Qes

Well, when you add a copyrighted song to a mod, you are giving it away for free. And aslong as the makers of the song or the producers, or the publishers of the song doesnt want the song to be given out for free it is basically music piracy.

True true. I do have one "illegal" song in the mod. That title track "Let me Fall" is from one of the Cirque du Soleil cd's and it was to perfect to pass up. Outside of that everything is either freely downloadable by the copywright owner or a small (less than 10 second) clip out of a copywrited work.

In similiar news I had honor to trade a few emails with Rich Douglas (http://www.richdouglas.com/) yesterday. For those that don't recognize the name Rich is the sound designer/music composer for Paradigm entertainment and he did all the music for the eclipse mod which is the heart of all the music in Fall from Heaven. For a long time it was the only music in FfH but over time I added other tracks as well.

Rich is an amazingly nice guy who okay'ed the use of his music in the mod. He was rightfully miffed that I didn't do a very good job of crediting him (sorry Rich!) and although I had a thank you in the readme with a link to the eclipse mod I didnt thank Rich directly as I should have. Im trying to do a better job of crediting the sources I use and I offered to pull Rich's songs from the mod if thats what he would prefer. He said that I didn't have to do that (did I mention he was amazingly nice?) and he wished us luck with FfH.

Definitly a highlight in the project for me because I have long been a fan of his work. Just the chance to trade emails with him was very cool.

Im trying to do a better job of crediting the sources I use

You should mention Linda Bergkvist somewhere visible!

You should mention Linda Bergkvist somewhere visible!

Good point, I will add her to the list.

I can't wait to hear the new soundtracks in .16 :D