In this mod the game has been altered to better balance relgions . Because there are very few numbers of certain relgions I have put some penalties on them (no health)
The spread rates have been changed to redefine the game.

The Jewish buildings give free trade routes but have other penalties for balance( no health penalites)

Because Islam isnt the most accepting to other relgions I put massive happiness penalties on its relgious buildings that are countered with massive happiness bonuses when it is a state relgion. Islam's building also give massive culture bonuses too. There are other penalites too.

Becuase Christians are suppose to be accepting to others they give a minor happiness bonus. There are other bonuses too.

There are other changes in this mod such as with the traits of great leaders. For example , I replaced FDR with Pat Robertson. I also changed his traits.

Version 3 works with the 1.61 patch. Pat Robertson's diplomacy sayings are only translated for English. If you play on a different language he will sound a lot like George W. Bush.

credits- The person that made the W mod : I used it to add Pat Robertson into the game.

Because of the 500kb limit click here http://scizor2120.googlepages.com/AnotherReligionMod3.zip to download for this mod

With -40 health in Jewish temples, the country will be in a constant state of sickness and decline. Is that effect only if it is your state religion, or is it once you build it, it's there for good?

I admire mod makers but isn't it somewhat pointless to release a mod that sounds and admittingly is unbalanced? You've seen to have fallen for the trap that Firaxis didn't fall for btw. In essence, all religions have an equal spreading chance. That that isn't the case in our real life doesn't mean it should be similar in Civ4. I've been the proud founder of Hinduism quite some time in Civ4 and I made it the largest world religion. That for me defines the game world.

With -40 health in Jewish temples, the country will be in a constant state of sickness and decline. Is that effect only if it is your state religion, or is it once you build it, it's there for good?


Once you build it its there for good .However it increase trade route revenue by 500% .

All of the small relgions have health penalties on their relgious buildings.

I'm sorry, but these values... (-40 health, +500%...) are unplayable. It doesn't redefine the game- it breaks it.

I would have to agree with Prayer, the values are far too large. The temple, once built, completely changes the game dynamic. Also, is that +500% trade per temple?

I would have to agree with Prayer, the values are far too large. The temple, once built, completely changes the game dynamic. Also, is that +500% trade per temple?

its only on the Jewish temple on the cites you build it in. The other temples are different. Most the minor relgions do not have anything good on their temples besides the happy face. The christan , jewish , and Islamic building were edited the most.

*whistles* Wow. I thought the Christian Mod was insane. At least that one only un-balanced Christianity. This is horribly un-fair. I could understand adding unique benefits to each religion, and increasing the spread rates, but -40 health? You realize that even a fully developed city produces, at most, around 25 health, right? That means you're condeming whoever gets Judaism to a very cruel end.

Re-work this mod, so that it's balanced. Then we'll talk about downloading it.

*whistles* Wow. I thought the Christian Mod was insane. At least that one only un-balanced Christianity. This is horribly un-fair. I could understand adding unique benefits to each religion, and increasing the spread rates, but -40 health? You realize that even a fully developed city produces, at most, around 25 health, right? That means you're condeming whoever gets Judaism to a very cruel end.

Re-work this mod, so that it's balanced. Then we'll talk about downloading it.

Look at Taoism , because there are almost Taoists out there I put about -10 to -15 health on each of its relgious bulidings without giving it a good thing , unlike judism .

I'm sorry, but this makes no sense at all. To stop this post from being pointless, I'll point out some things I think you should improve.

1) (Obviously,) The health costs of Jewish temples are far too great. As I said before, in my experience, a city rarely will rpoduce more than 35 to thirty health. That, after the unhealthyness is applied, is ususally fifteen. Also, this aspect makes absolutely no sense. Why are Jews so unhealthy?

2) I can understand increasing the spread rate of the religions, but why such an unbalanced rate? Yes, Taoists, Confucianists, Buddhists, etc. are fewer in number than Chritians and Muslims, but the point of the game isn't to achieve perfect realism. It's to make it fair and challenging.

I can't say that I like this mod at all. However, I'm offering constructive criticism. Hopefully you'll be able to change the gross imbalances.

I'm sorry, but this makes no sense at all. To stop this post from being pointless, I'll point out some things I think you should improve.

1) (Obviously,) The health costs of Jewish temples are far too great. As I said before, in my experience, a city rarely will rpoduce more than 35 to thirty health. That, after the unhealthyness is applied, is ususally fifteen. Also, this aspect makes absolutely no sense. Why are Jews so unhealthy?

2) I can understand increasing the spread rate of the religions, but why such an unbalanced rate? Yes, Taoists, Confucianists, Buddhists, etc. are fewer in number than Chritians and Muslims, but the point of the game isn't to achieve perfect realism. It's to make it fair and challenging.

I can't say that I like this mod at all. However, I'm offering constructive criticism. Hopefully you'll be able to change the gross imbalances.


Did you even download it and try it ? Just advoid early religions like the plaque and only built the jewish temple in a city with lots of food and that can benfit from the massive trade route gain

I downloaded and installed the mod. I ran an game at Noble, making sure I had Judaism as my state religion. I built temples. I saw my cities with temples become massively unhealthy. I deleted the mod.

This mod is incredibly unbalanced. I'll come back when you've figured out how to make a playable mode.

Aside from the traditional 'no pork for jews' ' no cattle for hindus' type of thing, I would love to see this implemented in a Religion mod;

1- Some Works of wonder are ONLY available if you have a certain percentage of your population of that faith. IE: The sistine chapel, requires atleast 33% christian to begin construction.

Since there is quite an investment of time involved, it can't be stopped once it is started if the percent was to decrease. The idea here is that if you for whatever reason choose not to select a state religion and cultivate many faiths, then you now have a tactical reason to do so; You have many more works of wonder options available.

I tend to be ruthless, in that I only cultivate the religion of my state. In real life I am actually much more tolerant. I'd be tolerant in the game, if there was a tactical reason to do so like this.

2- Some Works of Wonder function differently based on your state religion.
Okay, so lets take a Anachronistic "Sliders" look at a world where the Hindus dominate the entire world. We build the "Sistine Chapel".
I'd like to see it have a different effect based on my state faith.

Just minor tweaks like that, so that I don't simply stick with the first religion I found and try to cram it down everyone elses throat so I can see into their cities, which is what I always do.

I downloaded and installed the mod. I ran an game at Noble, making sure I had Judaism as my state religion. I built temples. I saw my cities with temples become massively unhealthy. I deleted the mod.

This mod is incredibly unbalanced. I'll come back when you've figured out how to make a playable mode.

Get Christianity ! Is much better ! As its the best religon in the real world its the best one HERE inthis game too .

Also LOok at the changes I made to the leader traits ! Aggresive is really good now , and I changed Phisophical to Relgious

First of all, religion in Civ4 is not about which is "the best" in RL. It's there as part of a game.

Secondly, the complaints were about Judaism. So I tried Judaism. I found that you had, intentionally or unintentionally, I don't know, made Judaism unplayable. If one of the five religions is unplayable, that makes the mod unplayable. Fix it and maybe I'll try it again.

First of all, religion in Civ4 is not about which is "the best" in RL. It's there as part of a game.

Secondly, the complaints were about Judaism. So I tried Judaism. I found that you had, intentionally or unintentionally, I don't know, made Judaism unplayable. If one of the five religions is unplayable, that makes the mod unplayable. Fix it and maybe I'll try it again.

It is very useful if you play it correctly , it is the 3rd best religion. Just put it in a big city late in the game when you have lots of health and enviormentalism. You wont lose say 5 or 10 pop but you'll get a massive amoutn of commerse from the trade routes.

Okay, I got it. You're doing something like "I like Christianity so it's best, I'm so-so about Jews, so they're third best, etc." Forget this noise. Thanks for your attempt at unbalancing the game. Have a nice rest of your life.

well, let's assume you "meant" well, and are not some Christo-fascist.

""As its the best religon in the real world its the best one HERE inthis game too ""

This is patently absurd, insulting to billions of people, and , i'm sorry, just stupid.
Not you, but this idea, as it pertains to the game.

And i'm christian, not that that matters.

this mod makes no sense.

first off, why can judaism, one of the oldest religions around today, only be useful at the end of the game in huge cities?

and why do islam and christianity spread 20 times faster than all the other religions? did you do any research? there are about 2/3 as many hindus in the world as muslims, and about half as many hindus as christians. also, there are over 300 million buddhists in the world. why do these religions spread so much slower?

one more thing: how can you give a penalty to muslims for not being accepting of other religions, but not give a penalty to christians because they "are supose to be accepting to others"? even though christians are supposed to be accepting of others, throughout history they haven't been.

please change this mod to make it at least somewhat balanced.

Version 2 is out! All health penalties and bonuses were removed. There are afew other changes too.

I, too, noted the christo-fascist tendencies....i'm holding out hope that this is a joke...does judaism cause such massive unhealthiness b/c you think they're dirty??

does 'a Few other changes' = first to discover Christianity wins "One True Religion Victory"?

I, too, noted the christo-fascist tendencies....i'm holding out hope that this is a joke...does judaism cause such massive unhealthiness b/c you think they're dirty??

does 'a Few other changes' = first to discover Christianity wins "One True Religion Victory"?


There are no religous victories in this mod. However finding Christianity is an advantage as its fast speading meaning a lot of money from its shrine

Most the minor relgions do not have anything good on their temples....

Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism...Minor???

Someone should reseach the real world a little bit more...

;)

Get Christianity ! Is much better ! As its the best religon in the real world its the best one HERE inthis game too .

Also LOok at the changes I made to the leader traits ! Aggresive is really good now , and I changed Phisophical to Relgious

Scizor - I think you need to look at making scenarios, not mods...
Therein, you can change the world of CIV to whatever views you have.

Because, not many people are wanting to willingly break the already good
religion system present in CIV4. Not for these kind of game values...Really!

PS
And there is no 'best' religion - Such talk is borne from spiritual ignorance.

:)

Because Islam isnt the most accepting to other relgions I put...
Why? Did we make any inquisitions? Did we persecute Jews in the 16th century? Did we force Christians to be Moslems in any countries that we took over, like Christians did to Moslems in Andalusia (Spain)? It's always good to make a religious (non blasphemous) mod, but I think you need to read more about Islam Scizor

I think having different MODS are cool. If you don't like the changes that someone made on the MOD...ummm...don't use it LOL.

That's better than limp-wristed whining and complaining.

Making a mod that is workable and non-offensive should be the aim.
If people choose to make comments, then that is an indicator of the mod quality.

Opinions are relevant as this is a forum, where people make them.
Immature jibes about being 'limp-wristed' are a waste of time.

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i found this mod relly offenceive :aargh: (sorry for my spelling) and to tell you the truth one of Islam's most impotant laws (although they did not always go by this rule) is that forced convertions are ilegal.While (please take no offence)Christans forced there belife systems by force on other cultures (such as the Aztecs, Incans, and many others oh yah i HATE forced convertion ) plese note i am a atheist so i do not favor one religon over the other. I hope you stop make offencive mods and start makeing productive ones.oh yah one more thing if it takes so much time to make a mod why wolud you waste so much time to make one that is very offensive.

This thread should be deleted or at least locked.
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now "advoid early religions like the plaque "
"Get Christianity ! Is much better ! As its the best religon in the real world its the best one HERE inthis game too"

These 2 sentences alone can sum up all of the first attributes that make for something you shouldn't post: false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar and racist (in a religious sense).

Why do the Mods moderate silly arguments about patches and/or expansions by Firaxis that have little to do with forum rules but they ignore threads like this one ????

Can I just say that Islam is the biggest religion in the world...

What is it that makes Christians the best?

P.S. I'm Atheist

I updated this mod to work with the 1.61 patch. I also added Pat Robertson to this mod.

Why? Did we make any inquisitions? Did we persecute Jews in the 16th century? Did we force Christians to be Moslems in any countries that we took over, like Christians did to Moslems in Andalusia (Spain)? It's always good to make a religious (non blasphemous) mod, but I think you need to read more about Islam Scizor
Let me tell you of Islams "tolerance". In Iran, Afganistan, ect. if you are found to be christian or another religen you will be exicuted or at least have all of you rights taken away and imprisoned. Moslems invaded Spain first killing anyone who didn't convert. The modern muslum states have decread they will enialate Isrial from the face of the earth. Fatwa, Jihad, First the Saterday people then the Sunday people! If this is your idea of tolerance, you blaspheme against human kind. And yes I have travled to the Mddle East, and I have a BA in hstory. Don't try to B.S. me.

Neither chistianity or islam are historically tolerant religions and anyone that says they are either hasn't read history or the religious texts of those religions. And while I don't see a problem with people makeing rasicst mods, the real life comments make in this thread are highly offensive and unless the thread started edits those offinsive statement then I agrree thsi thread should be locked if not deleted. I will be pming Thunderfall and I suggest others do aswell.

This mod is a total joke btw... I mean really ... look at how insane it is. Pat Robertson being aggressive, spiraitual , religous , and financial ... every religion execpt christianity slowing down spaceship production , christianity increasing production , military production ,worker speed ... if you played this its quite obvious nothing in this mod is realistic.

If it's a joke why din't you tell us in the first place???

Can I just say that Islam is the biggest religion in the world...


But it's not. Christianity is the biggest in the world.

But it's not. Christianity is the biggest in the world.It's is true when you say that is Islam is not the lagerst religon but it is the SECOND largest relgion and the fastest growing one.

I know that, but arseface said it was the biggest. I'm not arguing that it's the second biggest, or that it's the fastest growing one.

Because Islam isnt the most accepting to other relgions I put massive happiness penalties on its relgious buildings that are countered with massive happiness bonuses when it is a state relgion. Islam's building also give massive culture bonuses too. There are other penalites too.

Utter nonsense. U should do something to your history.

Islam is by far the most tolerant religion of all monotheist religions. Christianity and Judaism are very rigid in comparison. Islam is only predominantly haunted by fanaticism and backwardness in the last 200 years or so.

Greetings

Neither chistianity or islam are historically tolerant religions and anyone that says they are either hasn't read history or the religious texts of those religions. And while I don't see a problem with people makeing rasicst mods, the real life comments make in this thread are highly offensive and unless the thread started edits those offinsive statement then I agrree thsi thread should be locked if not deleted. I will be pming Thunderfall and I suggest others do aswell.


Relatively speaking, islam beats christianity by far with tolerance. And yes, I am speaking about religious texts too. (although I must admit, mainstream sunnism and shiism are very very offensive and intolerant, but they have a principle of negation in jurisprudence in which those sharp edges can be softened effectively)

Your suggestion is good, I will pm Thunderfall too.

Let me tell you of Islams "tolerance". In Iran, Afganistan, ect. if you are found to be christian or another religen you will be exicuted or at least have all of you rights taken away and imprisoned. Moslems invaded Spain first killing anyone who didn't convert. The modern muslum states have decread they will enialate Isrial from the face of the earth. Fatwa, Jihad, First the Saterday people then the Sunday people! If this is your idea of tolerance, you blaspheme against human kind. And yes I have travled to the Mddle East, and I have a BA in hstory. Don't try to B.S. me.


You would be rather living in the Middle East of 800-1500 than in Europe of the same age.

Oh, and I am drs in political sciences, and director of an islamic organization based in the Netherlands, I speak, read and write in 13 languages, have no problem reading historical records in different languages from different sources (including Al Jamiado; Spanish in Arabic script), and I am very well acquanted with history. Especially pre- and post-islamic history of the middle east and north africa. Oh. And yes. Have been there too. My parents where even born there.

Moslims compelling people to become muslim in Spain? Utter nonsense. Spanish historians would laugh in your face by telling that. Islamic Spain was the centre of civilization and humanity in a dark europe of christian blind fanaticism, backwardness and superstition. It took centuries before the people of Spain were predominantly muslim; convertions went naturally most of the times. When Spain was conquered, the church helped, out of protest against Rome and the longing to become more independent from the Pope. Jews saw the islamic conquest as a blessing.

As Israel is concerned, yeah.. True. The situation in which Israel has been made, lies at the basis of many problems in the middle east. Maybe if some people, supported by the worlds most powerfull nations take your land and kick you out, you will understand. Still, it wasnt the muslims who tried to gass them en masse and when they saw they didnt succeed, dumped most of them in the middle east and by these means, doing what Hitler coulndt do; cleanse Europe in an efficient and diplomatic way from Jews.

Jews and Arabs may live in political turmoil now, but we have been living in relatively good relations the last 1400 year. You and your 200 year divide and rule politics cant definitively change that. Our problems are temporary. Israel will soon be our Hong Kong, and U will pay the prize cause U have something to lose there in the middle east. We will win eachother back.

Whats wrong with fatwa and jihad? If you want a academic discussion about these 2 terms, be my guest. First the Saturday then the Sunday people? After you killed the Friday people, yes, in which I have to admit, you are making quite some progress.

Well.. I have seen your idea of tolerance and humanity. We see it every day and everywhere. The product of 200 years of western imperialism in the world. THANK U!



GReetings!

No offence to Europe but I do have to say that Europe was kind of the village idiot of the world at the time of the medeivl ages.And aslo don't you think it is ironic that even though that Christianty and Jeusus were both pacificts yet more people died in their name than in any other religion and person in history.

Aside from the traditional 'no pork for jews' ' no cattle for hindus' type of thing, I would love to see this implemented in a Religion mod;

1- Some Works of wonder are ONLY available if you have a certain percentage of your population of that faith. IE: The sistine chapel, requires atleast 33% christian to begin construction.

Since there is quite an investment of time involved, it can't be stopped once it is started if the percent was to decrease. The idea here is that if you for whatever reason choose not to select a state religion and cultivate many faiths, then you now have a tactical reason to do so; You have many more works of wonder options available.

I tend to be ruthless, in that I only cultivate the religion of my state. In real life I am actually much more tolerant. I'd be tolerant in the game, if there was a tactical reason to do so like this.

2- Some Works of Wonder function differently based on your state religion.
Okay, so lets take a Anachronistic "Sliders" look at a world where the Hindus dominate the entire world. We build the "Sistine Chapel".
I'd like to see it have a different effect based on my state faith.

Just minor tweaks like that, so that I don't simply stick with the first religion I found and try to cram it down everyone elses throat so I can see into their cities, which is what I always do.


I completely agree with that one. You make this thread interesting :)

This mod is a total joke btw... I mean really ... look at how insane it is. Pat Robertson being aggressive, spiraitual , religous , and financial ... every religion execpt christianity slowing down spaceship production , christianity increasing production , military production ,worker speed ... if you played this its quite obvious nothing in this mod is realistic.


??? Oh my God ...

No offence to Europe but I do have to say that Europe was kind of the village idiot of the world at the time of the medeivl ages.And aslo don't you think it is ironic that even though that Christianty and Jeusus were both pacificts yet more people died in their name than in any other religion and person in history.

No offense to Slavic Sioux, but we already learnt to ignore your totaly clueless views of European culture in other threads.

This mod was a tastless and offensive troll, the author has admited such after formenting much anger and wasting many other people time, deleate it ASAP

I am not saying that Eurpoe is a bad place in fact it has qutie an interseting history however.However I am offended when you try to impose your history on to others and yes I may have done it too I just wish you would have senisitiveitys for other peoples views.Oh yah when you say "we"who are you refering to???

Let me tell you of Islams "tolerance". In Iran, Afganistan, ect. if you are found to be christian or another religen you will be exicuted or at least have all of you rights taken away and imprisoned. Moslems invaded Spain first killing anyone who didn't convert. The modern muslum states have decread they will enialate Isrial from the face of the earth. Fatwa, Jihad, First the Saterday people then the Sunday people! If this is your idea of tolerance, you blaspheme against human kind. And yes I have travled to the Mddle East, and I have a BA in hstory. Don't try to B.S. me.

You're crazy! Hindu minotirities live till today in Afghanistan, Xorothists(?) minorities live till today in Iran, and we've got Christian minorities living till today in Egypt, normally like all other citizens!!

Go wipe your *** with that "BS history", you probably never went to elementary school anyway!

Utter nonsense. U should do something to your history.

Islam is by far the most tolerant religion of all monotheist religions. Christianity and Judaism are very rigid in comparison. Islam is only predominantly haunted by fanaticism and backwardness in the last 200 years or so.

Greetings


I'm a Moslem myself, and I can say that on the THEORETICAL scale, Christianity is the most accepting. Coming to what people actually do, I'd go for Moslems being most tolerent. Jews are worse on both the theoretical scale (anyone read exodus??) and practical scale (israel)

No religion is tolerant. In fact, a religion is in short a grouping of people and therefore a separation of a group of people from other(s) group(s) of people in what they believe. It is then up to the people to be tolerant or not, but normally human being are not tolerant.
Let me add that I think that tolerant people actually do not follow any religion if not their own personal credo.

I was speaking relatively
Also seeing what the holy books say, whether implemented or not

No religion is tolerant. In fact, a religion is in short a grouping of people and therefore a separation of a group of people from other(s) group(s) of people in what they believe. It is then up to the people to be tolerant or not, but normally human being are not tolerant.
Let me add that I think that tolerant people actually do not follow any religion if not their own personal credo.
Buddism is a tolerant religon becuse you can be any religion plus being Buddist (exasample Christianty-Buddisit)because they do not conflict(in my mind that is).Shintoism yes they are the most tolroant religon in the world because it you are reqired to go to other religons places of worship and holy places and respect there beliefs.

obviously oriental religions have much differences from western and middle western ones. They are more of a philosophy than a religion.

A Christian Buddhist? So you'd view your after-life as being born into some other creature, or going to God for judegement? Also who is the "chosen one" or whatever, Jesus or Buddha? I'm sure there are tons of other contradictions which will prevent a christian from being a buddhist @ the same time!

Closed. It's too off topic for it to get back on-topic. Not to mention the trolling.