Had a debate with a buddy of about this; he was an avid Civ 3'er and thinks I don't know anything about these games (which is probably true). He also thinks that the only "true" victory is the time victory, which I think is pure BS (it's boring, feels like you are backing your way into it, AND you get the crappiest final scores...other than culture of course).

So at what level would you need to play to get a augustus ceaser score with a time victory...?

I think Augustus Caeser is 10,000 points, but I haven't really tested...

A 10,000 point time victory is possible on Noble, but you have to kill everyone off to get enough population. You only need half as much land on deity which has a 2x score multiplier.

I think you can still get a time victory on noble but I doubt on any higher difficulty unless you're willing to play wars of attrition with multiple civs at once.

He also thinks that the only "true" victory is the time victory, which I think is pure BS

Yeah I agree. Time victory is the lack of victory on a low difficulty setting. 2 failures coming to one. Can't give you Ceasar for that.

I thought time victories capped at Dan Quayle (sp?).

Seriously, though. There's no more or less honor in any one victory type. At the harder levels, you have to plan your victory regardless of the path you choose. The points are certainly biased to the millitary victories, but I personally find cultural victories harder than either of the millitary varieties.

Maybe if you stack the deck to one particular vic type, then time is backing into the winner's circle, but if you play everything random (including leader), a victory is a victory.

Stupid Question and I´m sure it has been answered many times, who is Dan Quayle?
Has anyone ever tried to get time victory on a higher difficulty (monarch) with all others enabled, I think that could be difficult, because with the production bonuses the AI is likely to launch space ship before the game ends 2050.

Dan Quayle was George Bush's (the first one) vice president. He was famous for mispelling potato "potatoe" and some stupid one liners (check out the future tech quote lol) all in all considered too stupid to be VP.

Stupid Question and I´m sure it has been answered many times, who is Dan Quayle?

Not that stupid a question as a frenchman I didn't know him, thanks to Wikipedia I do now. The conceptors of Civ 4 are a heartless bunch with no sense for poetry;)

Did he burn Washington, like Nero burned Rome?:lol:

He was famous for mispelling potato "potatoe"

But it is spelled "potatoe" everywhere else but in America. There's various discrepancies between US English spellings and everywhere else. For instance you spell "harbor" whereas most other English speaking people go with "harbour".

But it is spelled "potatoe" everywhere else but in America.

Not necessarily. In Australia, it is spelt Potato (no e). Really, it is a case of same <cough>, different smell. The other thing is this, even though *I* may know who Dan Quayle is, that doesn't mean everyone else outside of the U.S. has to as well. In the case of, let's say, France, I know the name Jaques Chirac (and I'm sure my spelling is off there), but I couldnt tell you any other name in government. Same thing, do you know who the Prime Minister of Australia is? Probably not.

Someone like Caesar (Julius), or Queen Victoria we all know. Someone like Dan Quayle, well, I would expect only Americans would really know or remember that name. He is not exactly noteworthy in the company he is in, in that list.

It is every American's dream to homogonize the universe. Just wait until they open a Walmart next to the Louvre and have a NASCAR track right off the Thames. Quite frankly, you otherlings should just be thankful anytime an American recognizes one of your leaders' names in a newspaper.

Who am I kidding? Americans don't read.

(In case I failed miserably, this is entirely a satire of my own ridiculous American culture. Thanks to Hollywood, we seem to think everyone recognizes our insignificancies, yet never bother to learn a thing about anyone else. Ask 10 Americans who Tony Blaire is, and your get 9 wrong answers.)

I think the only reason why Dan Quayle is on the list is because he was on this list in Civ 1. However when people were playing Civ1 in early 1990's they would still remember this guy, but now he should've been replaced with somebody from more recent history.

Rex, ironic how you misspelled Blair's last name. Was that intentional? :D

Time victory means you generally can't manage to win another way. If someone managed to say win a time victory on Emperor with all other victory types enabled, then he has skills. It's pretty darn hard to prevent AI launches on higher difficulty levels.

Ask 10 Americans who Tony Blaire is, and your get 9 wrong answers.

When Bush was first running for president, he didn't even know the name of the Canadian prime minister at the time.

Not necessarily. In Australia, it is spelt Potato (no e). Really, it is a case of same <cough>, different smell.

Actually, Im pretty sure every english speaking nation spells potato without an e (an no, Im not American, Im Portuguese, but have spent much time in England and of late Australia).

Actually, Im pretty sure every english speaking nation spells potato without an e (an no, Im not American, Im Portuguese, but have spent much time in England and of late Australia).

Not here in Canada, at least not everyone. It's probably about 50/50 here.

Rex, ironic how you misspelled Blair's last name. Was that intentional?

No, poor spelling. Take a look at my own screen name. Pretty sure there should be an extra N in there. Ask Traflagar about that. The irony, however unintentional, is nice though.

Off topic (way off topic): My dictionary lists both potato and potatoe as equally valid. Quayle's mistake was in telling a third-grader she had misspelled the word when she left off the E.

In fairness (ok, maybe only a little bit) to Quayle, he was moderating the spelling bee with cards in front of him that had the correct spelling of the words that were asked. (I guess the cards were there to prevent him looking like an idiot by not knowing how to spell one of the words). The card that had the answer for "potato" was spelled "potatoe".

this thread is out of control :lol:

after another conversation with the guy; he turns off space/domination/culture/diplomacy victories so it would be possible to get a really high score without getting to one of the other victory conditions beforehand (would of been nice of him to make this clear at the begining)

and dan quayle is a moron...but the arguement that he should be replaced on the list isn't exactly a good one, I mean do you know who Ethel (sp) the Unready is? :mischief: