--THIS GAME IS FULL--


Wassup..... need 4 player for a succession game. It's the first time I play it, but I've read some and know how it work.

It's a regent level games, standar map size, 8 civs and climate, age and landmass are normal.

here's the history of the first Japanese millenium.

4000 BC the great city of Kyoto is found.
The minor tribes that was within our border has teach us the science of Mysticism.
Our scientisits are starting to study bronze working
Attachtatuk the 1st priorize the creation of a warrior group to defend and explore the future mighty empire.

3750 BC Warrior is build. He's sent to the Est to explore.

3550 BC An other warrior is created. He's sent to the West

3450 BC Our woker is ordered to connect Kyoto with the wine ressource near by.

3300 BC The worker has done his job. Wine is now distribute every where in Kyoto.

3200 BC A region rich in furs is spotted to South Est

3000 BC Settler is build to expend ourself (we're probably late compare to others)
The reing of Attachtatuk the 1st is complete.

So I need 3-4 more player to continue... let me know and I'll send you the game.

Can I try? I never played on Regeant level before (Warlord at the most, and only Diety once, and I got VERY lucky one time with 3 civs close by! :)).

I have the 1.07f version. Does this one have the patch? I'll have to look for it, though.

Go on but you will need the last patch released (1.16)

anybody who want to play is welcome.... need 3 more players

I will play! I have little experience with succession games but I tend to own the computer pretty badly on Regent. Also, I love any religious civ. So, just tell me when to play my turn and I'm yours. Chieftess should probably go before me in any case, since I posted afterwards.

I will also be around for the long haul and not drop out after one turn, like what happens in some games. :sad:

Well, judging from my play style, and it's the Japan Succesion Game, I'd certainly be good at a good old fashioned Japanese Isolationist Policy! :D

BTW, I'm also studying Japanese, so I'll add some stuff in for flavor. I enjoy storytelling (and yet, none of my stuff was ever posted on the Apolyton/Civ2 Viking Scribes...)

Anyway, I'm currently downloading the patch now. My network isn't working right, so I'll have to chop it up a bit (Civ2 is on my Pentium 4 - I use the Pentium 2 for the Internet - I bought it from a student on-campus)...

To the first to read this,

just download the file and comfirm it on the forum and play for 20 turns.

And I wish you find rivers

see ya:goodjob:

(finally! An MS-dialup that cooperates! - long story)

anyway, I'll go first (or 2nd in this case). I wanted to get it done tonigh (well, last night, now - my time), but I'll do it in the morning, and post a story.

GOOD LUCK


anybody who wish to be 3rd or 4th just comfirm it on the furum

I just cant wait to see how it as evoluate

If there's still an opening, I'm up for it!

I've actually been playing the Japanese in my last few games. Been exploring the military attribute.

Great leaders are great! :cool: :soldier:

You'll be next after chieftess.... I prefer a peacefull game but I think that militaritics is one of the best civ attribute, no other civ can rivalize (in war) with a militaristic civ.

so just comfirm you're in and wait for the game

see ya

Need only 1 more player.......

haha, with a name like that, I don't really have to guess where you come from ;)

So, I never been on a succession game and I usually play warlord/Regent... If you want me aboard, I'm your man...

Just one thing... how much time do we have to play our 20 turn?

Unless attachtatuk has some kind of objection (which I strongly doubt) both of you should be in. Time limits are up to game founder, so ask attachtatuk. I will take my turn as soon as Chieftess finishes and posts summary. Good luck to all of us! :D

What's up,

You're both welcome,...I have no objection but you two are gonna be the last one

So hope you're good kicking AI ass

and comfirm you re in


THIS GAME IS FULL

and for the time limit try to do it in 24h but I wont throw anybody
out so take your time .....but not to long

Originally posted by Sullla
Unless attachtatuk has some kind of objection (which I strongly doubt) both of you should be in. Time limits are up to game founder, so ask attachtatuk. I will take my turn as soon as Chieftess finishes and posts summary. Good luck to all of us! :D

Hey, I just noticed you're from Baltimore too! :)
Let's give everyone here a big "Welcome to Bawmer Hon!"! :D
The birthplace of Sid Meiers Civilization! (Well, in Hunt Valley atleast...)

Anyway, I just completed my turn.


Japanese - 3,000 BC

The Himiko Era

The Himiko clan inherited an era of expectant expansion. The heads of the Yamanaga Shogunate, Himiko's generals of the day, presented news of a newly discovered village far to the east of Kyoto, dubbed 'toumura' by the villagers. A Japanese warrior dispatched to the region is now prepared for possible contact. Meanwhile, a second Japanese warrior was dispatched to the southwest, to an apparent peninsula.

The heads of state have also laid out the groundwork for "First Expansion". Most notably, the shores to the southwest of Kyoto, and to the east were spotted several possible settlement locations. There is a strong possibility that the shores will see the second Japanese city. Some furs for possible trade were also spotted in the far east of the island, and south of the warrior. The location of this city may change, depending on what the warrior finds in the village. While a few resources also exist in the central region, several unexplored territories remain to be explored to the south.

The Shogunate of the military has devised an expansion plan for our civilization. The warrior to the southwest is to explore the last remaining land in that territory, then head back towards Kyoto. The warrior to the far east is to make contact with the village, then head north to explore the northern area of our territory. Kyoto is to build a settler, then a military unit, which will take the route with a priority of 1. If Kyoto can build a second unit, that unit will take the second route.

Independent land scouts from our villages have also rumored that we may be on an island. But, it may be that only few are brave enough to traverse the treacherous Datama Mountain Range.

( See attached J_3000.jpg image )

3,000 BC -
The eastern warrior enters the village of the Zhou tribe. Fearing that the warrior was some sort of raiding party, the village was absquatulated (disbanded), and three Zhou warriors descended upon the sole Japanese warrior.

Meanwhile, the southwestern warrior advances south, and finds another village within the next area. This will have to wait until the next turn. The settler has also begun its' journey, and will arrive in 3 more turns. The Kyoto worker has begun to mine the grapes in the vicinity.

At the end of the turn, the Zhou warriors gave a valiant fight, however, the Japanese warrior proclaimed victory, becoming a veteran after two battles, and elite after the third!

2,950 BC -
The southwest warrior found the village to be a Mongolian village. These too, were in fear for their village, and they sent three warriors to attack! Meanwhile, the other units are moving as planned. Perhaps the Mongolians and Zhou villages where at war over precious resources? After all, some gems were found by one of the mountains next to the Mongol village.

At the end of the turn, the southwest warrior was victorious! Like his eastern counterpart, he too, became a veteran after the second battle, and elite after the third. These warriors seem destined to become legends in the Himiko Dynasty.

2,900 BC -
No major events of importance

2850 BC -
No major events of importance

2800 BC -
The settler has reached their destination, and not one, but two fish resources were found! Thus, the city of Osaka was founded! The palace was also expanded during this period.

2750 BC -
No major events of importance

2710 BC -
The Kyoto barracks were built, and an addition warrior was started.
More resources were also found, thanks to the eastern warrior.

2670 BC -
The eastern warrior is now continuing to the northwest.

2630 BC -
A village to the northeast of Kyoto was discovered. Fortunately, this village tribe, the Hsung-Nu, was willing to join the Japanese army as a conscript! Because of there proximity to Kyoto, the Kyoto warrior production was no longer needed, and a temple production took its' place.

2590 BC -
The conscript is heading towards the west, and the eastern elite warrior is exploring the north. So far, all indications are pointing to an island.

2550 BC -
No major events of importance

2510 BC -
The road to Osaka is nearing completion. Along its' way is a wheat resource. The citizens of Kyoto were also whipped into hurrying the temple production. It will be complete in the next turn. The conscript to the north spotted a barbarian encampment; unfortunately, the conscript was ambushed, and killed.

The treasury also reports that funds are running low. Science was lowered to 80%, and luxuries to 10% as a temporary measure.

2470 BC -
With the unfortunate death of the conscript, Kyoto went to producing warriors after the completion of the temple.

2430 BC -
There is now much suspicion that this is an island. Priority has been set to naval improvements.

2390 BC -
Osaka has completed a warrior, and is producing wealth to stem the negative cash flow.

2350 BC -
The eastern elite warrior has found a small desert in the extreme northeast portion of the land.

2310 BC -
After being ambushed by barbarians, the eastern elite warrior is resting for a turn or two, while the southwest warrior heads on up to assist.

2270 BC -

No major events of importance

2230 BC -
The road to Osaka is complete!

2190 BC -
The eastern elite warrior, having healed his wounds, headed west towards the barbarian encampment, and discovered another village to the north. Upon inspection, the warrior found a tribe, the Shangians, who were willing to share the secrets of pottery! The worker by Osaka is also creating improvements to the land.

2150 BC -
Kyoto has finished its' warrior production, and is now producing Spearman. The two warriors are approaching the barbarian encampment, and are 95% sure that we are indeed, on an island. Either that, or we are on a corruption-causing peninsula.

But, there are other matters at stake! After a 950 year reign, the Himiko dynasty comes to an end with the death of the last heir to the throne. There are others waiting to take the place of this dynasty, a dynasty which saw almost legendary fighters and epic travels. News about the next dynasty is buzzing in everyone's ears! What era will this next dynasty be known for... ???



The circles in yellow are resource areas. The central area seems high on resources, thus that is our next area of expansion. The one in pink was a resource discovered only after Osaka was founded. It is unreachable via the city radius. I have also found 4 possible city sites for expansion. Note that the Fur Trade city is one square to the northeast, as there's more grass, and the remaining fur can be gotten by roads after the culture value has expanded. Kyoto could continue to produce its' spearman, or build a worker to expand eastward. There are still a few squares left undiscovered. If it does turn out to be a "bottleneck" feature, it would be a perfect location for a city!

( See attached J_2150.jpg)

(I'm haven't attached anything to here before, so bear with me...)

Thanks for the chance to be part of the empire.

While I'm not a warmonger, playing a militaristic civ passively doesn't use their great advantage: more Great Leaders! :soldier:

I'll try to keep my more aggressive side on a leash. . .
:cool: :lol:

I can't play for another six hours. . . :( :(

West coast time . . .

If someone wants to go ahead of me, I'm alright with that . . .

Here is the year 3000 BC map.

And now the J_2150BC image.

Ok, I guess it got through. Anyway, here's the zip of the j_2150.jpg image.

Fearing that the warrior was some sort of raiding party, the village was absquatulated!

:eek:

From the American Heritage Dictionary Online:

absquatulate

SYLLABICATION: ab·squat·u·late
PRONUNCIATION: b-skwch-lt
INTRANSITIVE VERB: Inflected forms: ab·squat·u·lat·ed, ab·squat·u·lat·ing, ab·squat·u·lates
Midwestern & Western U.S. 1a. To depart in a hurry; abscond: “Your horse has absquatulated!” (Robert M. Bird). b. To die. 2. To argue.
ETYMOLOGY: Mock-Latinate formation, purporting to mean “to go off and squat elsewhere”.
REGIONAL NOTE: In the 19th century, the vibrant energy of American English appeared in the use of Latin affixes to create jocular pseudo-Latin “learned” words. There is a precedent for this in the language of Shakespeare, whose plays contain scores of made-up Latinate words. Midwestern and Western U.S. absquatulate has a prefix ab–, “away from,” and a suffix –ate, “to act upon in a specified manner,” affixed to a nonexistent base form –squatul–, probably suggested by squat. Hence the whimsical absquatulate, “to squat away from.”

Originally posted by AndyB
Fearing that the warrior was some sort of raiding party, the village was absquatulated!

:eek:

hehe.. I saw that word while looking for an electronic dictionary. Mine had the definition of "to suddendly leave/(depart from) camp in a hurry" (military camp). So, I just had to use it! :king:

BTW, feel free to use my Legend, and feel free to make up your own "Civ history", too.

Oh, and did you look at the 2nd zip? It's got some possible important logistical information. :)

Ok, I'm in, just tell me after who I play and I'll do my best, and if that "best" is not good enough, well just kick me out!! hehe

Wow, this thing is so fun, I just can't wait to see the next 20 turns after the one I did! hehe.. :)

BTW, I've seen SG acronyms like this:

GFC2
RBD7 SG

What do they all mean? Any other acronyms besides these?
(I'm guess for things like raging barbs, 5billion years, wet climate, etc.).

RBD stands for "Realms Beyond Diablo." :flamedevi

Guess those guys had a previous multiplayer action game relationship :ripper: which carried over to strategy games.:soldier:

I have the game now, will post summary within the next three - four hours. As for save game acronyms, they are used to keep track of games - after you play as the Japanese more than once, you forget which "Tokugawa of the Japanese" game is which. I'm going to save my games under something like this:

JapSG (year)(BC/AD)

but only for my own reference; save however you like. Looks like an isolated start for now - let's outexpand the computer as much as possible now! (Should be possible on this difficulty :king: )

Ok, but don't use the 3 letter abbrivation for Japanese. It's not a nice word. :) (Use jp, or JPN, JPNS etc.).

OK, here is the summary of my first turn.

Out of the chaos coming from the fall of the Himiko Dynasty emerges a new leader for the Japanese: the patrician despot Sulla! Japanese scholars express great confusion as to how a Roman aristocrat has gained power in ancient Japan. The Japanese scholars find their so called "logic" does not prevent Sulla from feeding them to the lions.

On to the reign of Sulla, know as the "Micromanager", as there was little else going on at this time.

(0) 2150 BC Change Osaka off of Wealth (it was on wealth because...?) to Temple. Kyoto set to produce Granary due to lack of food resorces in city radius, and to facilitate further expansion. Science cut back so we are not running a deficit. No need for luxuries at this stage in game, so they are set to 0 (I checked - they were doing absolutely nothing).

(1) 2110 BC Osaka's temple is whipped. Sulla is a bad boy ;) Wheat will come into city radius in 5 more turns, allowing for faster growth. Micromanaged Kyoto to get an extra shield of production.

(2) 2070 BC Osaka builds temple. Warrior disperses an Aryan encampment - apparantly they aren't as racially superior as they think.

(3) 2030 BC Nothing happens.

(4) 1990 BC Osaka regrows to 2, set to build a worker. Hope that this city will be able to pop a lot of settlers soon. Warrior exploration reveals a possible landbridge north of Kyoto - is it?

(5) 1950 BC Nothing.

(6) 1910 BC Cultural borders of Osaka expand. Landbridge is revealed to be a penninsula... beginning to suspect we are on an island here - if so, plenty of room for cities.

(7) 1870 BC Osaka builds worker - back to size 1 again (Sulla is cruel). Positive side is that now Osaka can expand to size three in fewer than 10 turns, with a fish and wheat in range. Due to lack of irrigation (sigh), worker set to mine wheat.

(8) 1830 BC Movement of troops.

(9) 1790 BC Mine near Kyoto finished, another one nearby started. Granary almost done....

(10) 1750 BC Our warrior finds a possible landbridge in the far northeast! Dyes AND horses will be within city radius of a city founded in the chokepoint. This will be a top priority city location in the future.

(11) 1725 BC Yep, that's definitely a landbridge up there. Sulla anticipating possible civ contact.

(12) 1700 BC Little happened this turn.

(13) 1675 BC Kyoto finishes Granary, starts settler. It should be able to crank them out shortly. Osaka finally gets some decent production as the first mine is finished (it's back at size 2 again).

(14) 1650 BC Barbarians appear - good, because we need money. More endless jungle spotted in north...

(15) 1625 BC Win battle against barbarians. More jungle in north.

(16) 1600 BC Looking for barb camp.

(17) 1575 BC Plains spotted far to the north.

(18) 1550 BC Kyoto builds settlers. Moving towards location for city...

(19) 1525 BC More trackless wilderness in north. Osaka getting close to settlers.

(20) 1500 BC Treasury is dangerously low. Founding new city will help, but we need to find that barb camp soon.

Sulla, now over 850 years old but mysteriously still youthful in appearance, rides off into the sunset. He built no cities and discovered no technology, but significantly improved both existing cities. The Japanese people hope that the next ruler is faced with more interesting times!

* Seriously now, we are currently behind the other civs (wherever they are :D ) but should be able to expand very rapidly now. I'm leaving suggestions for the next player, but giving them lots of latitude on city placement. I strongly suggest placing the settler on the red dot in this map, as it will clear the forest automatically and give us a good corruption-free site near our capital. I suggest the yellow dot for the next city; it will have 2 space overlap with capital but at this point that won't mean much and the site is excellent for another core city. Still, that will be up to the player to decide. Good luck to all!

Sorry for the poor quality of the above shot; it was the only way to attach the picture without zipping it. Next player should expand as much as possible - I set you up for this! :D

And now for the file...

Think I'm up next, but, ahem, :rolleyes:

. . . .need the save game file. . . :confused:

ooops. :( Gomen nasai, honorable sulla.

I have the file and will post in about 3 hours.

So, which is the chokehold? The one with only one "entrance" from the north tile?

Atleast we have a huge area all to ourselves now! (Unless other civs start colonizing our shores)...

So I'll play after Andy ... I'll only be able to play tomorow cuz it is time to sleep and have work tomorow, I'll play as soon as I get home tomorrow so in ... mmmm in like 20 hours or something like that..

good civing everyone !!

PS : Just got my a$$ wiped in GOTM .... guess i'm not ready for emperor :p

Bye !

You seem to have done a great job, good work

--NOTE-- I know I said landmass was normal but its set at archipelago, so we'll have to go with more naval improvement than ground units.

In my opinion we should go for a quick expantion and cover the island rapidly rather than defend ourself with lots of units. Conquest is gonna be an other part of our history.

So keep up the great work, and lets spread japenese culture all over the world !!!

sorry I dind't told that tips before

I should have been more explicit on the location of the chokepoint city - it should be placed exactly one tile to the right of the horses on the very narrow isthmus. This places the horses, dyes, and fish in its radius and gives us control of that narrow strip of land. We can use it to move ships across the land too and completely keep any civs that might be up north from reaching our little "homeland" in the bottom. That's why it's important to seize it as soon as it can be reasonably defended.

Looking forward to the next summary - this game is moving very fast as I sense a lot of interest in it. :cool:

Originally posted by LaZZyCaKe
So I'll play after Andy ... I'll only be able to play tomorow cuz it is time to sleep and have work tomorow, I'll play as soon as I get home tomorrow so in ... mmmm in like 20 hours or something like that..

good civing everyone !!

PS : Just got my a$$ wiped in GOTM .... guess i'm not ready for emperor :p

Bye !

And GOTM is...??
(hehe.. all these acronyms! :eek:)

Here's a picture of what I mean: city is red dot, with spray paint on expanded borders (I was having fun with paint :D )

Here's a picture of what I mean: city is red dot, with spray paint on expanded borders (I was having fun with paint :D )
(And GOTM is Game of the Month, an informal competition hosted by this site).

Originally posted by attachtatuk
You seem to have done a great job, good work

--NOTE-- I know I said landmass was normal but its set at archipelago, so we'll have to go with more naval improvement than ground units.

In my opinion we should go for a quick expantion and cover the island rapidly rather than defend ourself with lots of units. Conquest is gonna be an other part of our history.

So keep up the great work, and lets spread japenese culture all over the world !!!

sorry I dind't told that tips before

My thoughts exactly. (I guess I wasn't clear in my reasoning in my first 20 turns). That's why I built the settler by the water. I actually spent 4 hours studying just that! :) Expansion throughout the "island" was second, and we sure lucked out with that choke hold! Build a good navy, and it'll be well defended! (for much of the game).

Ahhhh! I created a new thread with my picture instead of adding it to this one! Blast, here goes again.

There's a big probleme that nobody mention (u certainly saw it)

THERE'S NO FRESH WATER !!!!!

How are we gonna deal with that ?
How can our city be 12 pop. big in 1000 AC

This is I think a major preocupation and should be study carefully

In 1500 b.c., the country is leaderless, a squabbling nation filled with discord.

The nation's elders, pining away for the "good old days" of the hibbinite rulers and the roman, sulla, search day and night for one with the charisma, courage, and knowledge of those past great leaders. While they are searching, unfortunately, they leave the palace doors unlocked, and the leader of the local youth group, Bandy-san, walks in and usurps power.

1500 b.c. inherited turn: note there's a barbarian warrior 2 turns away from Kyoto. Hmmm. There's a spear abildin in Kyoto, but it won't be done for 3 turns. Go to Osaka, wake the warrior and send 'im to Kyoto! Hmm, settlers are moving. Where to put them? I concur with the choke point discussion. But how long to wait for that one?

1475: where to send the explorers? I decide to send the warrior south in cattle land to figure out where the barb encampment is. The northern warrior finds a goody hut. I roll the dice and get. . .

1450: maps of the region. sigh. Made it to red dot and found the glorious city of Tokyo. Set the production to barracks. The barb near kyoto gets closer, meanwhile a spear is built! The barb is whacked. . .

1425: Settler from osaka makes it to kyoto, but is unescorted. . . do we wait 4 turns for escort, or do we take a chance. . .

1400: There is a barb camp close by. The spear built in kyoto is guarding the worker building our road to Tokyo. . .. Until I knock out the barb camp, no support units are unescorted.

1375: still looking for close by barb camp

1350: This is one humongoid continent, and so far, no neighbors! Our northern exploring warrior, sent by Sulla those many years ago, finds a wall of mountains, and chins himself up to discover a desertful of incense, guarded by the mayans! Our exploring warrior, kenji by name, is ordered to take them out!

1325: Kyoto churns out a veteran spear. Okay. send this guy with out settler to the yellow dot area. . . Still looking for close by barb camp. . . The worker in Osaka finishes his road. I send him to assist the great project: a road to Tokyo! In the far north, kenji slowly stalks the mayans. . . Osaka has no defenders! The next spear will go there. . .

1300: Discovered, by a mayan horse patrol, Kenji, surprised, fights like a lion in the far north! Although kenji gets hit once, he is victorious. Stealth forgotten, kenji sweeps down upon the mayans, dispersing them, looting much needed 25 gold.

1275: troop movement. . .

1250: f11 finds that Kyoto is the world's #1 city. We're Ichi-ban! We get alphabet, and I choose to research. . .writing, thinking that since we're all by our lonesome, great library may be an option. . . Our exploration of the far north continues. We are alooooone.

1225: Sekigahara founded on yellow dot. Kenji, our intrepid northern explorer, spots a national boundary! Not sure who's it is, but it's blue. Kenji is ordered to be cautious.

1200: Kenji closes, quietly. . .

1175: We discover the americans! Jeez, are they far away! The american leader, Rincon, has four advances we do not have, and a humongous 127 in his treasury. He has communications with 4 - count em 4 -- other civs! the persians, zulu, babs, and indians! And he won't trade us ANYTHING for ANY PRICE! Grrr. His attitude is annoying! Perhaps we ought to make some long term plans about this civilization! I tip him 1 gold piece to make him happy and say sayonara. What an annoying man! Can't even pronounce his name right! Rincon, huh!

1150: kyoto builds a settler. There are many good settle spots, but with the discovery of Rincon and his merry band, taking care of the choke point is first priority. sending settler to tokyo to pick up spear, then away!

1125: Goody hut discovered near sekigahara! Sending warrior to investigate! Kenji, our northern elite warrior, continues scoping our Mr. Rincon's habitat. f11 still finds Kyoto the world's leading city, even at size 3!

1100: More troop movement

1075: Our warrior enters a goody hut (the rattle you hear is the dice rolling) and finds. . .a deserted village. (sigh)

1050: More movement. . .


In the year of 1050, Bandy-san mysteriously disappears. A note is found in the palace, consigning our country to the next great leader!



Well that does it for my turns. Built up infrastructure a little, and discovered our neighbor, the Americans to the far north. I figure it's fairly important to seal off our southern continent and solidify our northern border, but I'll leave that for the next great leader, whoever that is.

:king:

Here is the file.

Originally posted by attachtatuk
There's a big probleme that nobody mention (u certainly saw it)

THERE'S NO FRESH WATER !!!!!

How are we gonna deal with that ?
How can our city be 12 pop. big in 1000 AC

This is I think a major preocupation and should be study carefully

And you can't make a beeline drive towards electricity like in Civ2.
We could attempt to build forests for production, and build lots of coastal cities to defend what little we have... Atleast we have that chokehold going for us...

Atleast with forests, we'll be able to build up a military, but our size will keep our workers and settlers at bay.

(yes, that file was just downloaded by me. I don't know who's going next though.. I just want to get a good idea of things so I can make some suggestions, if I have any).

Say, would that be ok for everyone to do? Download the file to see the diplomacy and stuff?

I think our civ will be a long term achievement, since we won't be able to build big cities till electricity.

It would be great if we could find a medium island (with fresh water ) and build a hidden palace in one of the city situated on a the island (fictional of course). So a good idea IMO is to build 1 or 2 galley and sent them explore as quick as possible. Still then, at regent level the AI seems to expend very quickly so its gonna be a tough one.

An other (very long term) alternative (1000-1500AD) would be
to perform a massive surprise attack on a other island then build hidden palace - I've done this in previous game and results were
spectacular : (I had 6 powerfull new conquered city, with low corruption, fast producing..... it made me ''win'' the game.

I know its gonna be long but we shoud consider any option
I'm waiting for yours

Good work to all, and its your turn lazzy cake !

Ok, I downloaded it and I'll play as soon as I get home in like 8 hours ... after that I'll post the game with my summary ...

So if I understood well, those are my task

1 : secure our northen border
2 : galley explore
3 : build a lot of city + macromanagement
4 : kill the freakin barbs

Correct if i'm wrong

Wow this game is going really fast... I go to sleep at 2AM and AndyB has already played a turn by the time I wake up? :lol:

I wouldn't worry too much about the lack of fresh water, for a few reasons. We have enough grassland and costline (with harbor) to get our core cities up to size 12 without irrigation. Without hospital they can't go further, of course, but we will be able to develop electricity right at the same time we get sanitation. So that shouldn't be a problem.

As expected, we are now far behind the other civs in technology since they've been trading for who knows how long. I see an easy way out, though it will take a long time: luxuries. We have no fewer than 4 on our isolated homeland, and there's another one above that if we can reach it. With that many luxuries, we can trade right back into the tech race. Great Library is another very viable option, if we can get it.

Well that's my 2 cents. Let's see what LaZZyCaKe decides to do.

PREVIOUSLY SAID BY SULLA AND LAZY CAKE


So if I understood well, those are my task

1 : secure our northen border
2 : galley explore
3 : build a lot of city + macromanagement
4 : kill the freakin barbs

Correct if i'm wrong



You're right onAs expected, we are now far behind the other civs in technology since they've been trading for who knows how long. I see an easy way out, though it will take a long time: luxuries. We have no fewer than 4 on our isolated homeland, and there's another one above that if we can reach it. With that many luxuries, we can trade right back into the tech race. Great Library is another very viable option, if we can get it.

I think its the best thing to do for now

Hi, first story & screenshot, the file will come in the next post

From out of nowhere, here comme lazycado the first, also called fat bastard after eating too much of Das's Chinese cookie, take over the throne of japan. A voice from out of heading told him to secure the north, go over the sea following those light blue square in search of somebody else and build enough cities to rule over da contanannnnnnnt.

So here come my turn, hope I didn't put us in a bad situation!

1050BC : Crack da whip for the temple in Tokyo . Got communication with the persian and the zulu from the american for our world map. Got communication with the babs and the indians from the persian for our world map and 5 pesos. Shaka from the zulu found fair to give us iron working for our world map.... ok! no prob dude! The babs gave us masonry too for our world map. We also got warrior code for our world map from the indian... Now that is fast learning :P

1025BC : Begin a settler in Tokyo and sending the settler & spearmen to that pinky thing upthere so we can get ...... pinky thing and horsies and secure our south border letting us all da big space for us and us only... beware da suka who would dare built a city there!!

1000BC : Boring

975BC : Kyoto finish is work on the settler and begin a worker so we can mine those green tile. I'm sending it to that cow spot north/east. One of the worker working on the road to Sakagihara (something like that) is send north to build road leading to da great holy cow and holy pinky thing.

950BC : Lincoln moved our troops automaticaly (how did he do that!) cuz our poor warior didn't see those faggy blue line on the ground. Warrior send to beat out the skull of those freakin barbs in the south. Work on a big rock mountain begun in Kyoto (pyramid).

925BC : Boring

900BC : Boring

875BC : Settler finished in Osaka and send to da great fur spot in the east and a worker is begun there (Osaka)

850BC : Barb attempt in Osaka and up north, both ate dust. Americana now have access to iron.....soon we will have to build our military. Edo built at the holy cow spot, Spearmen begin.

825BC : Satsuma built at the pinky thing spot, Worker begin

800BC : Boring

775BC : Worker finished in Osaka to mine the region. Colossus is begun. Writing has been discovered, litteracy is next we are wayyyy behind in the tech race.

750BC : Boring

730BC : Worker is finished in Sekigahara and another one is begun since we really need to road those tile (8:2:0). barb camp razed in the south of Osaka.

710BC : Boring

690BC : settler finished at Tokyo sent to that gold nugget in the east. Spearman work undertaken. Goody hut full of Uzbek warrior in the east !

670BC : Uzbek warrior are no more.

650BC : Kagoshima founded. Spearman in Edo is rushed.

630BC : Ok, babs going GL so I got litterature from them for our world map and 50 pesos, to the next leader to decide if we change our work on the piramid or the colossus for the GL. Tried to buy more tech but they all want gold/turn for it so nawwwww, eat sh1t.

610BC : Temple begun in Satsuma.

Ok, that was my 20 turn, hope I didn't screw up da game !! We really need to get that GL I think cuz We are really behind in tech. I've manage to get some at the begining but that's all. Military is something we need to get on with cuz that lincoln guy have iron and he could get really mad. For that iron thing, we have some but not in our borther. I leave the destiny of Japan in the next ruler hand.... Sayonara toyota sake cunishua! (happy civing everyone!)

By the way, that polytheism thing, you can change it... it just changed when I've get litt from the babs

Looks like we are in a similar position as before - lots of room to expand but behind the other civs in tech. This is not bad at all though, as those other civs have to be close together while we're isolated in the middle of nowhere. While they're fighting it out for the remaining land, we can just keep expanding into a late-game behemoth with all space between us and the Americans. Build, build, build, that's all we need to do now. Eventually, we will catch up to the smaller AI civs and pass them, because we will have *much* more territory and they will be beating each other up a lot. So no need to worry at all (Great Library would REALLY help though... I say go for all out - micromanage Kyoto to get max shields for it, in other words)

Attachtatuk is up next!

DA man got the game... should be done in a couple of hours

Science is a lot to slow !!!! 30 turns for polytheism, but once discovered, we could exange all tech we need with that (hope so)

BTW how to take screenshot ??????

Originally posted by attachtatuk
DA man got the game... should be done in a couple of hours

Science is a lot to slow !!!! 30 turns for polytheism, but once discovered, we could exange all tech we need with that (hope so)

BTW how to take screenshot ??????

Use the "Print Screen" key, or ALT-Print Screen, then go to a graphics editor, like MS Paint (bleech!), Paint Shop Pro (even better! :D), or Adobe if you have it.

Don't forget to put it in .jpg (save as, and chose the format in the bottom).

I think the GL is a great choice.... the colossus could really help with the money and the science generated and the pyramid, since we have lot of space, would be really great to expand rapidly and gain production from rapid growing... we must chose wich one to forget to get that GL ... my suggestion would be the colossus since we have lot of space to expand and need to do it fast since the american could become a treat in the near future.

With the bunch of worker I did, I think the next ruler will be able to road all those city and mine those green square... in like 1000 years, I think our nation position will greatly go up since, like said suma, the AI is all at the same place and probably attacking each other so growing is the firsst goal and tech is next.... but don't forget the military !! The american would be happy to kick our ass if they can't expand beyond their borders ....

Anyway, those are just suggestion since I'm not in command for the next 24 hours.... good luck !

Another thing, try getting tech from the other civ... they seem to have a strange taste for world map........ and road that iron tile!!

Here I come with 400 years of history !

There's some bad and good news


--THE ATTACHTATUKIAN DYNASTY--

The new Shugun had to deal with lots of dificulties that shared all its predecessor. A big part of those was Science. With 10 gold in treasory and a world map shared with all civ we've encounter, no deal could take place. He had to be smart!

Here's what toke place during my reing

610 BC Because we need to quickly expand, production of spearman in Sekigahra is switch to settler.
-NOTE- It take 39 turn to study polytheism !

590 BC Zulus build Pyramids: every nation switch to Great Library.
A barbarian village is spotted far north. We are sending our troups.

550 BC Nara is founds by the settler built previously by Lazzycanno the Great. It will be a prosper city. By the time, our armies have crush the troublemakers in North and a treasury is capture.

490 BC Spearmans training is finished in Tokyo. Granary construction have begun. Science are set at 50%. We're shrinkin but we have no choice IMO. A barbarian warrior is defeated once again by our glorious armies.

450 BC An other spear is finished in Kagoma. Production of a worker is appropriate.

430 BC Attachtatuk begin is long peacefull crusade of 20 years to lurn other technologies. Is trip start in India, where the brightess
teached im horseback riding, a basic way to fight wars. Only 14 gold and world map is necessary. He finished is excursion in America where they learned philosophy. It cost 27 gold to the nation and world map, but it worth it.

410 BC Begin mining hill near Kyoto for GL

390 BC The evil persian are threathing me! They want 6 gold (all I have) and territory map. I accepted the terms since it was to stupid to make war for 6 gold. They replied me with those words:
''So you admit Persia superiority''(U son of a *****! Will see that later). By the time, settler is done in Sekigahara. Production is switch to Granary.

370 BC Road to far Edo city (started by Lazzycano) is finaly finished.

330 BC City of Nagoya is found: it bring horse and iron within our territory.

--JAPANESE LEADERS ARE DESESPERATE--
310 BC Persia finish Great library!!!!! Our only hope is gone
every nation switch to Oracle.

290 BC Kagoshima is under suprise attack by Barbs Riders. 1 pop.
point is lost. Our warriors are mobilized to end this threath.
Indian build the Oracle !!!!! Our science that was set to 40 % After Attachtatuk's crusade, has been retablished at 50%.
166 shields have been lost in the change of production for library in Kyoto (This is really bad!)

270BC A barbarian village is crushed by our warrior in far north but the menace is still present in the south.

250 BC Great Wall is completed in Babylone (we're in sh1t)

Not much in last 2 turns

So the situation is stable. We are VERY late in science and the 2 tech I bring in were not much helpfull for the moment. My scientists did not discovered 1 tech during my 20 turns. I just hope that no other civ have discovered polytheism(it would be usefull to tradewith all). Hope that the 2 city I build help

I continue to say that we shoud go explore sea as soon as possible and maybe find promise land.

So good luck Cheiftess and let the gost of Attachtatuk the 2nd guide you !

PS I think there's a barb village to south in the fog

Just grand.... I hope I can figure out a way... :)

Looks like I'll have to pull something out of the hat from my Civ2 days when I purposely played an isolationist India (on Chieftain mode), and had peace with everyone throught a world war in 1200 AD, but wound up in a cold war stalemate with the Vikings...

(Now, I'm assuming you mean the Great Library? Was the Great Lighthouse built?) I'm also guessing that we should build on the edges of the continent, too, so no one will come into our borders. (Will that work in Civ3?)...

I'll download the file after noontime (in about 4 hours).

Ok, we are not going that good finally .... so our only hope before they really get too far in tech, is to use our civ primary caracteristic.... military, let's rush build military unit since we have now access to iron and beat those freakin american till they give us all their tech, cities, gold, etc .... I think this might be our only hope ....

So I think the next leader task would be to build up our military and expand expand expand expand expand ....

Obiwan Kennobi San, you are our only hope!

Ok, I got back early. Any military rush tips? I never did a militart rush before.

The military option. :D

I'd get infrastructure, esp. our roads, set so we can ferry our troops quickly to the north. Make sure we got plenty o'barracks to crank out veteran units.

The best strategy would be to wait until we get samurai, before going for the blitz. That way, not only do we have chances for great leaders, but will also trigger our golden age.

With that said, can we wait until we get samurai? Do we get 'em just for having access to iron? What do you guys think?

That is a good idea, as it will probably take us until we have samurai to mount a decent offense anyway. I suggest going for a minimum science campaign (e.g. 90% gold) and attempting to buy techs from other civs once they have been traded around. We will still be behind, but otherwise we won't get to Samurai until something like 1500AD! And a successful war can get us caught up very quickly in the peace settlement. Unfortunately, we can't really do anything until we have finished expanding through our homeland and built up a large enough military. It looks like we were the most isolated of all the civilizations in this game, so now we need to work out of it. It looks dark now, but the game is never over unless the other civs are burning Kyoto to the ground. Don't give up! :king:

I don't think that the military option is a god idea for now.
A good thing we should do is to build library in 4-5 pop city. It will boost our science (not a lot more) and would certainly be helpfull.
and I don't think that cut the budget of science would help the situation. I think we should not risk it. We have to improve ourself, for our futur, and not count on other civ to bargain.

And the situation is not so bad, its stable. We're not last we're not first. We still can do it later in the game.

PS I think that the Great Lighthouse is not currently build by anyone, and we can still finish the collossus

I'm taking these turns *VERY* slowly. Just one question, should we go for Monarchy/Republic? Or skip those and go right into Mid. Era?

BTW, the first turn was quite eventful, but I won't spoil it just yet. :)

Ok, here's the summary!

210 BC - In the year 210 BC, a new Shogunate rose to power - the Kojiro Shogunate. Their plan is to expand the military and border. A general review of the infrastructure reveals that Nagoya is still to be connected, and Kagoshima now remains stagnant at size 1. The only way to make The Great Library is in the Middle Ages with the Monotheism-->Theology-->Education techs, but this route is a far longshot

190 BC -

Rinkon-san made contact with us, and offered contact with the French, but at a cost of 46 gold, more than we could afford; our diplomat was forced to decline the offer after several failed negotiation attempts. This ronin of a leader drives a hard bargain. I fear he's pushing his luck with us.

Our diplomat then contacted the Zulus and acquired contact with the Russians for 22 gold, and maps.

GOOD NEWS!!

Our diplomat has successfully acquired map making (The Great Lighthouse!) and mathematics from the Russians in exchange for World Maps!! Maybe these Russians are a potential friend... A fine ceremony is planned for this diplomat.

On inspection of the eastern border, a mysterious red border has appeared! Fortunately, not on our continent. My advisors tell me that it is the Babylonians. In other news, according to the Histogram gallop poll, we are now 2nd for total score (by one point)!

Our other elite warrior has spotted a barb hut to the south of Kagoshima! He will have to wait another turn to attack, though.

170 BC -

Edo has produced settlers, which are on their way south, to the furs. The barb camp has been found, and 25 gold was gained! Some micromanagement was also done to speed up production and save gold.

150 BC -

Nothing of major importance

130 BC -

More barb activity to the north. Mighty strong one, too! Elite warrior will rest the next turn. Cracked the whip on Sekigahara for the granary (they're growing in 2 turns anyway). Next is The Great Lighthouse!

110 BC -

Sekigahara started The Great Lighthouse! The Elite northern warrior is resting. General unit movement.

90 BC -

Settler is now in place.

70 BC -

Izumo has been founded. Another settler is headed to the west of Tokyo. Whipped Nagoya into building a temple. (What a ruthless age, huh? :D)

50 BC -

General unit movement.

30 BC -

General unit movement and micromanagement.

10 BC -

Northern elite warrior is healed, and spotted the barb camp!

10 AD -

Northern elite warrior has bashed his way through the barb camp, and spots a barb galley!
Uh oh, Persian ship spotted off our coast! Yikes! Atleast one regular is on board! There may be a settler... Ship contacted, and we gained Code of Laws for 3 gold and a World Map (What a bargain!). Let's hope it doesn't decide to land).

30 AD -

Nagasaki founded. Corruption is vast in Izumo. Nara is stagnant.

50 AD -

The Babs are building the colossus! Ours will be done in 4 turns!

70 AD -

Northern elite warrior finds another barb coming from the south! Warrior wins as usual.

90 AD -

The Zulus have established an embassy with us! A massive barb uprising has also been spotted near Satsuma!!

110 AD -

Northern Elite Warrior fends off 2 barbs, but sadly succumbs to the third. He shall be avenged! On a brighter note, the colossus will be completed in the next turn!

130 AD -

Other warrior spots 5 barb horsemen north of Satsuma! One barb spotted south of Osaka. Osaka also completed the Colossus! However, the Russians have started their Lighthouse!

BAD NEWS!

Persian city spotted in the Tundra to the south of Nara and Izumo! Things are heating up! (no pun intended)

150 AD -

Spearman from Satsuma fends off 5 barb horsemen and becomes elite!!! HUGE barb uprising below Osaka! Osaka whips out a Spearman for the next turn.

170 AD -

More barbs at the gates of Osaka! An additional spearman is created to back the original one up!

190 AD -

Osaka spearman valiantly fends off a slew of barb horsemen and becomes elite! Barbs destroy the road improvement where they were standing. Another warrior to the north fends off the last of the barb hoard!

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And now for the pictures:
(guess I gotta make a new post..)

Here's the attachments.

Hmm, let me try relogging in again...

*sigh* I am having the lousiest time with this thing!

Ok, one more time...

Fourth time's the charm! ;) ;)

And the 2nd image...

Those persians don't know what's in store for them! :ninja:

Hopefully Nippon's superior culture will cause their gaijin to flip, and fast!

:hammer:

(ah-hem) That is to say, "Will force their gaijin CITY to flip, and fast!

:hammer:

And now the game file...

BTW, Satsuma is undefended, since its' spearman had to valiantly defend against an invading barb hoard. :)

Wow - sounds like an enormously successful turn from Cheiftess. The Persian city is absolutely no threat at all - they just built a free city for us :D I have the game, will play and post within the next few hours. We seem to have worked our way back into somewhat parity with the other civs on tech, and are gearing up for war soon. I plan to expand as close to the Americans as possible (though my cities will be hopelessly corrupted up there).
Here I go! :goodjob:

Originally posted by Sullla
Wow - sounds like an enormously successful turn from Cheiftess. The Persian city is absolutely no threat at all - they just built a free city for us :D I have the game, will play and post within the next few hours. We seem to have worked our way back into somewhat parity with the other civs on tech, and are gearing up for war soon. I plan to expand as close to the Americans as possible (though my cities will be hopelessly corrupted up there).
Here I go! :goodjob:

Yeah! Thanks! :) I tried my best to stay in contention. I was amazed when the Russians gave us 2 techs for a world map!

They were origanally going to give one, but I opted for two (as a hopeful measure), and it worked! hehe.. my first time on Regeant, and I did a pretty good job. Beginner's luck, I guess...

And add to that a few hours of traversing these forums to find city building, resource, military strategies and so on. I even learned to micromanage! :D

Great job Chieftess.... it was easy for you since i've done a lot during my turn !!!! lol;)

I think we should go for that gems in west before any persian settler make us a suprise. Its gonna be usefull later in the game.

We sould be kicking ass very soon !!!
Good luck Sulla

Originally posted by attachtatuk
Great job Chieftess.... it was easy for you since i've done a lot during my turn !!!! lol;)

I think we should go for that gems in west before any persian settler make us a suprise. Its gonna be usefull later in the game.

We sould be kicking ass very soon !!!
Good luck Sulla

Easy? I was sweating during the last 3 turns! :D

Originally posted by Chieftess


Easy? I was sweating during the last 3 turns! :D



Yeah but you couldn't do nothing about it. I got a lots of trouble with barbarian at the end of my turn to. Its the first time I see so much in a game. Bah, village=gold so we can see it at an advantage.

BTW We have to build galley :goodjob:

Whew! I thought we were coming into our own, but it looks like it may be another few succession turns away from achieving true strength. I went through an unbelieveably bad financial crisis, but weathered the storm. We are now on pace to catch some breaks in the next 100-200 years as trade between civs expand. Read my summary for details:

*****
The skies were troubled and darkened by ominous storm clouds, for the Japanese people were still left leaderless and in despair while rival civilizations began to press upon them from all sides. Day and night the people cried out to the heavens to save them from their wretched fate, to deliver up to them a great champion that would spite their enemies and bring an age of enlightenment. On one noteworthy day, the skies above Kyoto were blackened with the fury of the greatest storm the populace had ever seen. In the midst of the raging maelstrom of wind and water a great bolt of lightning struck the highest peak of the great shogun's palace. Those few people who dared to brave the fury of nature claimed to see the figure of a man silhouetted against the sky on the roof of the palace, but surely this was only an illusion of the mist and fog.

The next morning, the Roman patrician Sulla was found sleeping in the empty bedchamber of the shogun's palace. No one knew how he had arrived, or how a 2500-year old man could still be alive, but at this point in time of crisis none stepped forward to question Sulla's authority. Thus the reign of Sulla began again, known during this period of rule as "Sulla the Financier."


(0) 190 AD We have iron and horses in our territory, but neither is hooked up to our cities? Kyoto is building an archer - that should be a swordsman! Kyoto switched to worker because we are behind on infrastructure. Temple whipped in Kagoshima, saving 18 turns. Osaka changed to Settler - we need a city to get those gems in the southern tundra. Lack of gold forces us to cut back on scientific research. F11 reveals we have the largest population and 2nd largest land area (the most important category). We're piss-poor broke though... Sulla resolves to do something about that.

(1) 210 AD I set more workers to be produced. Once we get iron and horses, we need to build more military; giving away world map means everyone knows where we are and we can't stop anyone right now.

(5) 260 AD Galley built. Let's find the other civs!

(6) 270 AD Borders expand in several areas. We really need the bonus commerce from republic to run a positive cash flow soon.

(8) 290 AD Horses and iron finally connected to road network. Swordman production begun in several cities. Izumo reaches population 2; Sulla cracks the whip to save 20 turns of construction on a temple. We finally have furs hooked up to our road network - entertainers removed in several cities. Our warrior dies when a barbarian camp has 1 hp left. Sulla removes barbarian prisoners from prison and crucifies them (it's a Roman thing).

(9) 300 AD We capture a (different) barbarian camp and get a much-needed 25 gp.

(10) 310 AD A closer look at the tech tree reveals we ALREADY HAVE republic. Why are we still in despotism? Sulla sends the people revolting into the streets!

(11) 320 AD Hammurabi demands all gold and our territory map. Since Babylon is very close and we are in NO position to fight a war, Sulla reluctantly accepts demands. Whoa - the Persians have placed another city in our homeland. It shouldn't take long to fall to us from culture of course. We are forced to go 0% science for one turn thanks to Hammurabi's demands. Sulla voted the president of the republic in elections of questionable fairness.

(12) 330 AD We are in Republic now, but even at 100% cash we generate only +1 gold per turn? Where is all our money?! (I have never had this happen to me before.) Ahhhh - it's all being used for unit support - but we can't disband units because our military is barely average as it is. Any weaker would be invitation for AI to come kick our ass. Our science is just shot right now.

(13) 340 AD Sulla reduced to eating bread and water to save money. Top floor of palace is rented out to Babylon for 10 gp/turn (just kidding :D )

(14) 350 AD Gggghhhh! Finally able to up to 10% science and break even. Need more roads to get more commerce and increase revenue. We have to get luxuries and trade them for cash/tech. This is the only way that we will ever catch up to the other civs. Fortunately, we have those luxuries - just no way to trade until we build roads to America.

(15) 360 AD Yokohama founded to gain access to gems luxury. Roads will connect it back to capital within a few turns. We are slowly becoming fiscally responsible as more roads come on line (turning 0 commerce squares into 2 commerce ones). Sulla can now begin to feed starving population.

(16) 370 AD Shimonseki founded. We are back to 20% science and breaking even. Turns to discovery went from 27 to 10 (!) When currency is finished, we need marketplaces ASAP in cities - then we might be bcak on line.

(18) 390 AD Sulla nearing the end of his reign... Greatly relieved that the greatest financial crisis in history seems to be winding down.

(20) 410 AD Sulla feels confident enough to raise science to 30% and still remain in the black. This will be up to his successor though. He leaves behind a detailed map with instructions for his successors...

Upon the end of the 220th year of his reign, Sulla appears to be struck by an odd illness. Since the all-powerful shogun has never appeared to age or grow sick in any way before, this causes considerable worry among his advisers. Sulla advises them of his future plans, then struggles to the window of his bedchamber, throwing off the offered support of others. He throws open the windows, letting in a blinding ray of sunshine, and shocks all present by ascending into the heavens on a golden pillar of light. "I will return in time..." are the distant words of the ruler. His advisers look at one another in shock, realizing that another era of the Japanese people has ended and another series of dynastic wars for control of the shogunate are about to begin.

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(I like writing a little fiction now and then :D ) Here is a map of our territory at present.

Here is a map detailing one of Sulla's last grandiose plans: to steal valuable ivory right out from under the noses of the Americans. He was too close to the end of his reign to carry it out, but strongly urges his successor to carry it out.

(Note: this new city will need a temple ASAP to prevent it from reverting to much closer American culture. Also, build more cities north of "chokepoint" to link it with home empire and continue expanding :king: )

If we get these luxuries, we would have 5 total, which is really good when combined with marketplaces (9 smileys in a city with 5 luxuries and a marketplace!) We can also trade the extras (fur, for example) for tech and gold, both very much needed commodities right now. And sooner or later we need to build up military both for defense from aggressive AI and to attack chosen foe... This game is very interesting (to say the least) right now!

Here's the actual file:

Holy teriyaki Sulla! What a set of turns.

Pulling the nihonjin back from the abyss of financial ruin.

Whew.

I will try to follow your long term plan.

I have the game and will post anon.

:king:

I should throw in before I go to sleep tonight that this was about the most stressfull 20 turns of Civ III I've ever played! At one point, we had 0 gold and were running a -11 per turn deficit. That's frightening in a different way than a stack of 20 calavry riding towards your territory. Our city maintenance had essentially outproduced our infrastructure - after I figured this out I could fix the problem. But for like 10 minutes I had NO idea why we were broke or how to get out of it. Talk about nervousness! I hope none of you have to go through something like this on your turns! :king:

Wow! Really challenging game... I like that

The time? 410 a.d.. The place? A vast expanse of rice paddies outside of Nagoya. A trio of chanting buddhist monks move slowly through the fields, searching, searching. For what? The Chosen one.

After three hundred years of hakojin rule by the wise, clever, but o so european Sulla the Great part 2, the country cries out for a home grown leader. The monks, here in this paddy, are just a fingernail clipping of the vast search going on, country wide for the next leader.

The monks stop, mesmerized, as they stare at the young japanese youth neglecting his rice paddy duties (whatever they are) in favor of devouring the latest edition of "Go! Online." You are the one, they say. Our new leader! How may we address you?

The boy stands, brushing off various rice detritus, and speaks. "Me? Why, Andy-shima, of course!"

410 a.d.: I take a look at our empire. Quite a change from 1500 b.c.. Good work all! Our favorite roman has put courthouses in numerous slow growin towns, I switch some of these out for spears. EEE! many cities have only warriors. Ook.
f11 displays our capitol, Kyoto, as STILL the world's ichi-ban city! The histogram shows we are ni-ban, numba 2, behind the persians, 354 to their 380.
We are three turns from currency at +1 per turn. Three turns at 0 science give us 17 per turn. Zulus will sell us currency at 43 gold. I divide by seven, carry the three, . . . heck, i hate this math stuff! It **feels** cheaper to buy it from the zulus than to research it ourselfs. I get it, set research to 0 for three turns, and move on into Andy-shima's glorious reign. . . .

420 a.d.: We start a new age. I choose to research feudalism, gimme those pikemen! Feudalism + Monotheism allows us to go for Chivalry which == (everybody together) SAMURAI!!! So, I humbly suggest we do whatever we can to get the ability to build that unit now we are only 3 tecks away!
Kyoto gets aqueduct (whoopee!) change to spear. I move some other units around, need some defensive units to send with our intrepid settler, bonnie prince meiji, who was brainwashed into implementing "Sulla's Mad Plan."

430 a.d.: Russians and French are building great lighthouse, babs are going for the hanging gardens. I think we're going to be involved in a cascade here, cause Sekigahara is still, what, 19 turns from lighthouse itself. If we can't get it, we need something to fall back on, and it appears sun tzu (feudalism) may be it.
Contact the Rooshans, Catherine offers us 19 gp and her map for currency, I take it and run. Numerous folks have monotheism, but at 11 gpt plus a lump sum its just too much for our poor empire right now. The americans give us 10 gp and 1 gpt for currency, so I guess the deal with the Zulu was worth it.
In mid-turn, Rincon demands 16 gold! Baka!! What to do, what to do. I hit the enter key, sidestepping the demand, and no declaration of war yet. (Whew.)

440 a.d.: everybody not building great lighthouse now building hanging gardens, including the ugly americans, to the north. Science ratcheted all the way up to the stratospheric . . . 20%, happiness at 10% otherwise I have 4 unhappy citizens in Kyoto, which NEEDS to build a marketplace. . .
AAAA!!! Americans have own Sulla Mad Plan! They found Dallas at ivory spot. This make Andy-shima simmer over with angerness! Samurai, where are you? Rincon, we will get our greater north continent co-prosperity sphere soon!
Many civs have Monarchy, monotheism and feudalism (hanging gardens, and our two chivalry prerequisites) Their price is too high. . .

450 a.d: Still trolling for let's make a tech deal, our treasury is up to the mighty figure of 69 gold, (+6 per turn), but nobody has good prices on anything to sell. . .

460 a.d: picked location for city in the jungle north of satsuma. Mekong will be a gold/resources city, hopefully, someday.

470 a.d.: Ghandi sells us Monarchy for 45 gold. Building roads like crazy. Hooking up dye to empire.

480 a.d.: we found Fill-in-atsu to fill in some of the blank spots of the empire. Hooked up gems to the empire. Our galley explores the world.

490 a.d.: We're off on the road to . . Mekong? Through the deepest, darkest jungle.

500 a.d.: Infrastructure, infrastructure, everywhere, but not a unit to fight with! As soon as we've got some marketplaces, we really need to build some more spears, etc.

510 a.d.: Persia demands 16 gold and our world map. Since they're close, buy, I say, okey dokey, but just you wait!

520 a.d.: Building some swords, just in case. Our neighbors are saber rattling.

530: a.d.: move them workers!

550 a.d.: The industrious japanese were so busy, they skipped a decade! More infrastructure, no trades, as our galley continues to explore the known world.

560 a.d.: Building a harbor in Osaka, at last, to trade our stuff with other civs

570 a.d.: Tired of not getting any technology, Andy-shima goes shopping at the zulu zaibatsu mall, and (ulp!) picks up monotheism for the mere cost of 11 gpt and some change.
Well, we'll have some belt tightening, you know, but that rincon guy is looking mighty ugly, and so are the babs. The closer we get to our samurai unit, the better i'll feel!

580: Here comes the cascade. Russians build lighthouse. Crud, we were only 2 turns away! Sekigahara switched to Hanging Gardens! We begin Chivalry! 22 turns to our UU!

590: We build the gardens. The people rejoice. The palace is added on. Cooked rice is eaten on seaweed. Banzai!

600 a.d.: we can trade with the Rooshans! But their spices cost too much, and they're not offering enough for the horses. Maybe later.

610 a.d.: With a whoosh and a sigh, the reign of Andy-shima, that golden Go-playing guy, is over. The next great leader will have an opportunity to build, er, great leaders! Once the samurai are created.

Go Nippon Go!

I'll play and post in 8 hours, I'm at work

Great job guys!!

I really wanted that ivory - what a disappointment. And after I drew all those arrows on that one map! :D

Ok, so my task will be to go military? macro all i can and build cities where there is space?

Any suggestion before I beggin ? You now have 7 hours :D

Another thing

I know everybody is anxious to try out the new patch (tomorow!!) but I think we should finish this game before anybody patch their game.... just in case that screw up our mighty empire:confused:

I think I could have handled Osaka better. :(

It's the site of Colosssus, and there ain't no aqueduct! :crazyeyes

I built a harbor there, and current construction is a marketplace. Suggestion: switch out to aqueduct, rush build that if you can. Osaka has the dolphin squares, currently unused, and if we can build the pop up there will be extra research + money + good stuff.

Shoulda caught that in my turn; I guess I gotta stop playin at midnight! ;)

Anyway, the empire looked extra great at the start of my turn, thanks to Sulla's excellent management. Lazzycake, go get 'em!

:king:

Hmm, think we should build atleast 2 cities north (actually, northwest and northeast) of Satsuma as a buffer? I also read that you can confuse the AI by having units leave one city, and the enemy units will go there. Put the units back, and take units out of another, and the enemy will go there instead. It's kind of done in real life (I heard about a similar tatic on the History Channel - make the enemy think you're weak where you really have tons of troops. Or, would this be too much of an exploit?

Can't wait for the samurai!

Banzai! :D

edit:
Ok, now I see Mekong. Mekong? Where'd they get that name from? :) Probably when Japan invaded Korea or China...

This is my first succession game and I can't play :cry:

Sorry guys, can't play till monday so just get a new player and contynu wthout me....

Think my life dno't go with these game :p

Good luck!

When Sulla's Mad Scheme fell through there was still this lonely settler, in the middle of the jungle, north of Satsuma. :rolleyes:

Settling in jungle clears your settle square. There was this nice spot, just south of a gold deposit. . .but jungle all around. When the name of the new City came up, I felt we needed some jungle sounding name! Kago-tokyo-shimonoseki-ishi didn't cut it!
:sheep:

So (and it was near midnight, remember) all I could think of was Francis Ford Coppola, Apocalypse Now, Robert Conrad, and Heart of Darkness, you know, southeast asia. Thus, Mekong was born.

:enlighten

Is anybody thinking about forbidden palace? Next hundred turns we might want to figure out a good site for it.

So, who's playing it now?

BTW, could someone put a list of who's turn it is?

As I understand the turn order, we're going this way:

Attachtatuk
Chieftess
Sulla
AndyB
LazzyCake

It's LazzyCake's turn, but since he's unavailable, I guess it's Attachtatuk's game!

:goodjob:

I have the game so if you want to tell my some tips its now

think that building forbiden palace at choke point would be a good idea.(less corruption both side of it)

And BTW does it gonna do something to our game if we install new patch ?

And for Lazzy Cake : if you comfirm us you'll be back monday u could come back in the game.

wish me good luck !

I also believe that turn order is correct. We should definitely think about a location for Forbidden Palace soon, probably centrally located in empire so we can move palace later if desired. I suggest building up samurai to attack, but don't start a war unless we can win it - and that means a good 20-30 samurai on hand to blitz the enemy. When we win a battle with samurai we will get our golden age - I suggest we use it to (1) get ahead of the other civs in tech (2) build key wonders in large/developed cities (suggested: Sistine, Bach's, etc.) (3) develop infrastructure in small cities to make them useful. For now though, it's more peaceful expansion and military buildup (yawn) You're up next Attachtatuk :king:

Originally posted by Sullla
, but don't start a war unless we can win it :king:

WOW we wont be able to fight till 1900 AC;)

I have a question about those two Persian towns in our territory, and culture flipping. Are those two towns going to stick there, or will the culture fipping eventually set in? The only time I had an enemy city flip to my civ was in Civ1, and that only happened once! (half way across the map)

To be honest, I'm surprised they haven't flipped yet. They will likely go in the next succession turn. I'm not too entralled with culture flips right now because in my current single player game I am conducting a brilliant military campaign against the Romans, only to have cities far behind my lines revert back against me. Looks like the only solution is to raze them all to the ground.... :( I'm very glad that the patch is fixing this, as I don't exactly like the fact that the current version of the game forces you to commit genocide in warfare.

I know the last few times I played the Persians (or read about them), they always had a high culture rating...


Anyway, should we upgrade to 1.17f? (seems like a lot of stuff for a .01 increment. It should be more like 1.20-1.25). :)

I read about the patch and current game saves here:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16387

Sorry guys I have not finished my turn and its friday night so ......

I wont be able to finish it till tomorow afternoon.

I'll try to be quick

BTW we are 2nd, so we're not bad at all !!!:goodjob:

Really sorry guys really busy this weekend so if somebody want the game take it and if nobody take it till tomorow ill finish it

Unless Chieftess is on hand to pick up the game, I don't see any reason we can't just wait for you to have some free time attachtatuk. Of course if you're going to be busy for more than another day or so, one of us should probably play a turn. In any case, we also might want to consider getting the 1.17 patch for this game soon, with all its improvements. Opinions?

Are save games compatible between versions?

I have the patch but haven't updated yet.

:confused:

attachtatuk can play a round if he's not busy. I don't have the patch yet, but should we upgrade?

I'm not doing anything much tomorrow, so if attachtatuk can't play, I'll take over, or who ever's next in line.

I have heard that it is possible to play 1.16f saves with 1.17 - but I don't think it's compatible the other way. Apparently there is a way to keep switching back and forth between the new patch and the older version by installing various stuff, but that seems like more trouble than it's worth. So patching is pretty much a one shot deal - we make a decision as a group to switch over, and then all turns from that point on are played with the patch. By the way, I'll throw in that I'm just sitting around here and can play whenever the turn gets around to me, if others are too busy/have more of a life than me :D

:rolleyes:

I think we oughta install a 24 hour rule: if its your turn, post within 24 hours you have the game, and then you have another 24 hours to play.

If we don't hear from you, you're skipped this time.

I think Chieftess oughta take her turn. Even though it's Attachtatuk's game, he said we should go ahead. :confused:

As far as the patch is concerned, I vote for installing it.

I was just looking at some of the v1.17f patch posts, and some people seemed to have had problems with it. If we install it, it'll take awhile for me to put it on my other computer (one million bytes at a time. :D - My network isn't working, so I have to use the good old fashioned "cut and paste" method).

BTW, I was just playing the Japanese civ on Chieftain mode and came across an odd bug (which caused the game to crash) when there were several "We love XYZ day". I just hope that doesn't happen in the SG. :)

I agree with AndyB - this game is starting to stall too much. We should skip attachtatuk since he's obviously too busy right now (no offense intended :D ) and Chieftess should play the next turn. I will install the patch before my turn and then from that point on we will use the 1.17 version - this will give Chieftess plenty of time to install the patch using cut and paste. I don't want to sit here and dictate how the game should go, but right now this game is sort of in limbo and we need to get it started going again. :king:

Ok, here I go. (using v1.16f)

My turns have been quite uneventful and peaceful. :) Anyway, should we be willing to trade Chivalry? (to the French for Theology, which we are currently researching). Doing so would bump us into learning Education, which cancels the effects of the Great Library. Should we go for it?

I say that is your call - generally speaking, in most succession games there is discussion about what to do only between turns; if all decisions are made collectively, we wouldn't have the "fun" of disagreeing and vetoing each other's decisions :D So my opinion is that you go with whatever seems the best decision at the moment, and if it turns out bad, then at least we'll learn something from this game, which is more or less the point of succession games. Good luck! :cool:

Who else has Chivalry? are we the only ones?
I would cast around and if other civs have it, definitely sell it to whoever you can for whatever we can get, preferably gold per turn. :lol:

I'd sell, sell, sell. :goodjob:

Can we not research things other than education? I'd do that first. I would NOT research education -- if that's the only thing left, set research to zero, pile on the yen, and buy the technology!

We'll get education through the great library soon enough. Maximize the GL while it's still useful! :cool:

having said that, and having read sulla's post (which I wish I had read before I wrote my last post)



I agree with Sulla. :D

That was a nice set of rounds. :)

610 AD (Inherited turn) - After a lengthy change of leadership, which seemed like mere minutes, a new shogunate, the Nakawara Shogunate, rose to power. Nakawara's reign will oversee the development of Chivalry, which will allow for a new unit called the Samurai! Blacksmiths and generals from all over the land are being gathered to work on new weapons and tatics. Some micromanagement was done to increase production and income.

An assessment of our military shows that we are somewhere in the middle of the pack. We are weak to the Persians, French and Babylonians. We are average to the Americans, Zulus, and Indians. We are strong compared to the Russians. The Zulus have the right of passage agreement with everyone except us. My culture advisor tells me that Babylon is impressed by our culture, and that we should build improvements such as Sun Tzu, libraries and cathedrals.

Our science researchers will aim for education after Chivalry, as that will cancel the effects of the Great Library.

620 AD - (1)

Troop and worker movement

630 AD - (2)

Tokyo starts work on the Sun Tzu Art of War! More unit movement.

640 AD - (2)

Our cultural is expanding and is starting to crowd in the two Persian cities!

650 AD - (3)

More movement. Cities are starting to build barracks, Pike-men, and swordsmen.

660 AD - (4)

One swordsmen is complete, and is moving north.

670 AD - (5)

Troop movement, and some improvements built.

680 AD - (6)

Galley found the Persian border. Pike-men, cultural improvements, and infrastructure are being built.

690 AD - (7)

Workers continue working.

700 AD - (8)

Workers continue working.

710 AD - (9)

Fill-in-atsu builds barracks, and starts on the Pike-men. Workers continue working. Chivalry in 8 turns!

720 AD - (10)

Americans build Los Angeles and Cleveland to the north! Our one swordsman backs out of the way. With Chivalry only turns away, is war imminent? Science temporarily pushed up to learn Chivalry in 5 turns.

730 AD - (11)

My military advisor tells me that the Persians fear our swordsmen, but vastly outnumber us. In a recent diplomatic move, both sides withdrew their units from each other's territories.

740 AD - (12)

Workers continue working. Troop Movement.

750 AD - (13)

Workers continue working. Troop Movement.

760 AD - (14)

Indian galley spotted to the north of Nagasaki. Chivalry in one turn! Science reduced back to normal.

770 AD - (15)

BANZAI!!!! KISHIDOU GA UKETA!!!!!!! CHIVALRY!!!!!!!!!!!

Our people love us so much, that artisans and architects have added an addition to our palace! The French and Babs are also building the Sistine Chapel. Many cities are now producing Samurai!

780 AD - (16)

Barrack production finished in a few cities, and production changed to Samurai!

790 AD - (17)

Samurai production continues. Galley spots the Babylonian border! Perhaps we can entice the babs to go to war with the Persians? Then again, everyone is getting rather feisty about not having Monotheism.

800 AD - (18)

Palace expanded. Zulus are building the Sistine Chapel.

810 AD - (19)

Traded Chivalry with the French for Theology. This will let us research Education, thus rendering Persia's Great Library obsolete. The American's have also built San Diego north of Mekong! They sure are expansion-happy! The first Samurai was built in Kyoto! Kyoto automatically switches to the Sistine Chapel.

820 AD - (20)

Troop and worker movement.

After a 210 year reign, it is the end of the Nakawara Shogunate! The air is still with anticipation, and the sound of mighty blades being forged can be heard throughout the land. Perhaps this era of peace was just the calm before the storm. The Imperial Japanese Army is just beginning to stir...

Here's the map (zipped) of our world now. I'm not sure if we can claim that one resource by building a road and colony... and we'll have to stop the American advance. :)

Wow, even the zip was larger than 500k!

*sigh* I must be jinxed when it comes to attaching images...

And the bottom half....

Wow - I didn't think the Americans would expand that fast. I've got the game and will play and post in the next few hours. I will evaluate whether we are strong enough to risk war or not; my guess is that we are one turn away from it. Here goes! :king:

I didn't start a war with anyone, but we are in position now to go very hard on anyone we want; I have a target picked out, so read the summary for details!

******
Unlike past times of government change, there was no period of chaos as the Japanese exchanged their leaders this time. The Japanese Republic peacefully elected a candidate to the presidency, and Mr. Toragashu was ready to be installed as the new leader of the nation. The day of the inauguration ceremony saw a shocking turn of events however, as the foreigner Sulla landed on the eastern coast of Japan and advanced to Kyoto with a massive force of samurai under his disposal. Where he got them, or more importantly where Sulla had been for the last 800 years remained a mystery. Sulla was "elected" president in the emergency elections called the following week. The people grumbled over the resumed dictatorship of a 3000yr old man but could do little to upset his complete control of power.

Now for the turn by turn:

(0) 820AD Let the vetoing of other decisions begin! I check the military advisor screen and determine that we have an average military compared to most civs, a weaker one than the Persians, French, and Zulus, and a stronger one than the Russians (wow - big surprise). Since all civs except the backwards ones already have Chivalry I trade it plus 100 gold to the Babylonians for their world map. I know it's pricey - but by now the computer will have filled in the whole world through trading of maps and they would have gotten the tech in a few turns anyway from another civ. Presto - we can now see the whole world. The whole world is one continent, although its the most convoluted one I've ever seen. We need money badly - let's give ROP to nations that will never reach our lands. Hmm... we only have one embassy, and the Zulus want us to give THEM gold for ROP? Not likely! Actually, all other civs are broke at this point, so nothing can be done trading. We are not ready to fight at this time, by any means. Sulla sets a goal of 20 samurai by the end of his rule. Some changing of workers to get better production. We have bad infrastructure, but I reluctantly conclude that the best option is to build up a strong military and steal land from others, then use our golden age to catch up on city development. Therefore, cities are set to max production, ignore libraries and other such cultural developments. Babylon is so close to us that they appear a better target to attack - we'll see.

(1) 830AD I see a samurai on goto - don't do this in succession games! I understand it was going to the American border, but as a general rule of thumb don't automate workers or use this command in a SG.

(3) 850AD Xerxes demands 19 gold and territory map. Since we are pretty close to Persia, they're a lot stronger, and it's a pretty reasonable demand, we give it to them.

(5) 870AD Sulla wonders why the Persian cities have not defected to us - we've got a lot of cultural pressure on them.

(6) 880AD We run a deficit to research Education faster - if we get it first we can broker it for lots of money - unless the other civs remain broke....

(9) 910AD With the production of our 6th samurai, our people opt to expand the palace! Sulla adds some properly Roman columns to the Eastern architecture. :D The Russians are so backwards they don't even have Theology? Well, since they will NEVER build the Sistine Chapel on that worthless hunk of ice, we will gladly give it to them for 20 gold and 2/turn.

(13) 950AD The Persians complete Sun Tzu; everyone switches to Sistine. It's doubtful we'll get that one...
Tokyo placed on palace PLACEHOLDER.

(14) 960AD Predictably, the Zulus complete Sistine this turn. Cascade stopped in all computer civs though - that's extremely good news. Immense wincing as Kyoto wastes 175 shields on samurai (I should have predicted this at the beginning of my turn - there was no way we would get either of those wonders. Damn it) Time to research education has dropped to 1 turn. That means all other civs already have it. They didn't have it 2 turns ago. No brokering the tech. Damn it again.

(15) 970AD We learn Education. I choose Music Theory so we can get Bach's cathedral; we can get Education and Invention from the AI when we conclude a successful war. It takes 14 turns at 40% science; we will have almost enough shields for it in Tokyo at that time. The Persian city Ergili defects to us (finally!) Too bad it's permanent size 2 until we get some irrigation on our continent (not any time soon).

(17) 990AD We establish an embassy with the Americans in order to better relations and facilitate the trading of luxuries. They are broke and will not give us anything but their world map - why won't the AI trade a luxury for a luxury? They seem offended by the thought that we could deal on an even basis. Apparently the whole world is broke at the moment, so there's little we can do to trade. Their capital sucks big time too :D

(18) 1000AD Zulus demand territory map and gold. Sulla looks at his ranks of samurai and tells Shaka where he can shove it. They back down from war, which frankly we didn't want either. World map given to get them back to polite.

(19) 1010AD Russians still need Education? Better get what we can from it now. It's sent to them with furs and 50 gold for Engineering. I check every civ - only Persia, Zululand, and (now) Russia have more than 0 gold. Why the hell are they so poor? We can't get rich off of trade if they're too poor to trade. Oh well... I should comment that this is the slowest tech progress I've ever seen on Regent - must be because the land is so poor and there isn't much of it - I think we're on an 80% water map.

(20) 1020AD We have 17 samurai and, as of next turn, 3 galleys on our eastern coast. Sulla falls just short of his goal, but remains confident nontheless, as that many samurai will cut a mighty swath through any foe.

Sulla departs at the end of his reign for parts unknown. The Japanese rejoice at the end of a foreigner's government. Sulla leaves behind his army of samurai to "keep the peace" while he is gone. There is considerably less rejoicing.

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I evaluated whether to attack America or Babylonia, and it seems pretty decisive that we should go after the latter. The main US cities are so far away it will take an eternity to get there even with samurai, and we would be dangerously exposed to attack even if we succeed in an attack. On the contrast, the Babylonians are practically in our backyard across a very narrow sea and they have great land with 2 new luxuries in them that we could take. We could get Persia to attack with us if needed and absolutely crush them under a wave of Immortals and Samurai (ouch :cool: )
I left the ultimate decision up to the next ruler, but let me just say that there's a stack of 15 samurai on our east coast and three galleys ready for transport.... :king:

I should mention that I did not think to patch the game, so this save is still 1.16f. Anyone who wants to patch in the future should do so before it gets around to me again. Here's a picture of the army of samurai:

Now a view of the (soon to be) battlefield:

Finally, I would like to remind anyone playing to try and keep our Eastern cities in "We love the Shogun Day" - it drastically reduces corruption in those cities and is worth an entertainer in most cases. Here's the save file:

What's a palace placeholder?

See? I warned you that I was a newbie at this. :) I didn't even know about the "no goto" thing.

And research accelerates when other civs already learn a tech that you're researching? I never knew that...

You know what I was thinking... That one region with a bunch of cities from other civs (the multi-colored area) is just asking for a world war. :)

Anyway, it looks like it's AndyB's turn.

Yoicks! (or the equivalent in Japanese. I suppose it should be, "BANZAI!")

Another great job setting the stage Sulla! I have the game and will try to play and post tonight (but you know it is getting late and tomorrow is a work day.. . .:lol: :lol: )

Re: Sulla's putting Tokyo on Palace placeholder, that's just us sneaky humans advance building to fool the AI. We don't complete the palace, just build it up in anticipation of discovering a good wonder. Then we switch over. :goodjob:

Onward!:)

Palace placeholder means that the city is set to build a palace for now, then switched off to a wonder when that tech is researched. In our game, Tokyo is building shields for JS Bach's, but since we can't actually tell it to build that yet (tech hasn't been researched yet) it is on palace for now. I write PLACEHOLDER all in caps in the writeup to make sure whoever is playing next knows to switch off onto Bach's - we don't actually want a palace is Tokyo! No goto is pretty standard in succession games since the next person will not know where it is going to.

As for researching techs, the cost to research goes down for each civ that already has the tech in order to allow those who are behind to catch up. Otherwise the early leader would get so far ahead it would be impossible ever to catch up (or just so the AIs can all stay at relative tech parity). Our research on Education went from 4 turns remaining to 1 turn remaining in one turn with no altering of science rate, indicating that some other civ (Persia, cough cough) had gotten it and given it to all the other civs, most likely for nothing much in return. This is one way the computer "cheats" in this game - they will trade world map for tech, and tech for ROP, and ROP for world map, and so on until even the poorest civs have caught up on tech. That's why getting a tech lead is so important: by brokering out tech yourself, you can keep the other civs weak, in debt, and giving everything to you instead of passing it between one another. My current 1P game is a good example of this; I got the tech lead by 500AD and the others have never been able to catch up. I built all of the late medieval wonders and I will get all wonders from this point on. I have already "won" the game but I'll probably play out to the end anyway for fun. This was on Regent, so I'll go up to monarch for my next game.

Anyway, everything I learned has been from reading things on these boards (the RBD crew is really oustanding; try reading their succession games), so anyone can pick this info up. Succession games are about learning anyway, so any questions anyone has that I can make a comptetent answer to are welcome. I believe AndyB is up next - lead the Japanese people to glorious victory! :king:

RBD crew? :blush:

The Rain Of Aggression!

Inherited Turn.
Andyoshi, lord of japan, surveyed his realm and found it good. All those little workers working! Say what you will about those round-eyed romans, they sure know how to make the trains run on time. And the Samurai dojos are working overtime, seven days a week, with rest only for sumo and to practice for the Olympic Volleyball trials. Lots and lots of samurai. Each armed with two blades of the keenest steel. . .

We have fifteen samurai lined up, but only 2 galleys. There is one galley ready to go next turn from a near City. We'll just have to go in waves of 6, three galleys at a time. Still, we'll get there "firstest with the mostest." (Old military maxim: she who gets there firstest with the mostest power usually kicks butt.) Shoot, Sulla, poetic justice would require you to run this invasion since you prepped it. Andyoshi the humble is proud to be ridding the world of the evil babylonians, or persians, or whoever they are. They're in our way! and that's enough.

Andyoshi scans Sulla's colorful mad invasion scheme. Hmm, he would have Andyoshi strike at three points, but we only have 3 galleys. These galleys only carry 2 samurai each! Sulla would have Andyoshi only apply 2 samuari at three separate locations. To strike hard, strike fast and be successful, we nihonjin must apply OVERWHELMING force. So, unsurprisingly, the currently ruler brusquely decides to veto.

"Veto! We strike at one point only, the dye country, then drive for hammurabi's palace!"

In the year 1040 the Japanese horde of Andyoshi lands six samurai on the coast of Babylonia, right outside the walls of Akkad. For years, the people of Andyoshi have been coveting the rich dyes lying to the south of Akkad and Babylon. While all appears to be quiet, Andyoshi is sure Hammurabi will be on the phone soon. . .

(by the way, another Veto: swithed osaka, home of the colossus, off samurai and on to aqueduct.)

(Ring a ding ding! Why look, the medieval telephone is ringing. "Hammurabi? How you doin, hows the kids? My recent whatment! Movement, oh ok, my recent movement taken to be hostile and I'll be held accountable. Hammy, Hammy, who you gonna believe, me or your spies? It's simple military maneuvars. Look, I'll call the general staff and we'll. . . What? Now Hammy, keep your toga on. No need to make things personal! Hammy, take it easy! Ok, that's it! Prepare for war. O, ok, now Sid Meier's staff guy dressed up like a hoplite is asking if I really mean it. They're scum! War it is!")

In the year 1050 AD our samurai attack the City of Akkad. Our first unit takes one hit, but slays the defender. WE ENTER A GOLDEN AGE. The population goes crazy. The palace is redecorated. 20 dozen geisha see the error of their ways and take vows as buddhist nuns. Shoyu soy sauce is invented and sold to the Americans. The americans immediately pour the shoyu over cooked rice, showing for once and for all they are true barbarians.

The sake is running out.

We liberate Akkad, although the second spearman put on a fight and hit our samurai twice! And Hammurabi moves in an archer or bowman or longbowman or something from Babylon, but we carve that one up.

We drive the second wave of troops directly into Akkad. The reinforcements attack babylon! while several of our brave fighters are reduced to one hit point, we trash four defenders! The City still stands, but for how long.. . . (And the nice thing about going for the Babylonians is that our cultural boundary stays contiguous. No "island" of culture here. )

At the end of the banner year of 1050, we have seven samurai on the doorstep of Babylon. Toshiro Mifune, I understand, is one of these gallant berserkers. . . (Honorary director for this assault is Akira Kurosawa)

In 1060 ad, our first samurai falls to the evil whatdoyoucallems. We have five or six one hit point guys. Andyoshi bravely retreats these guys to Akkad. In a brilliant military maneuvar, fresh samurai are removed from the galleys, and poor hurt samurai stashed, two to a bunk, in their place. Must retreat to Kagoshima, where there's a nice barracks for R & R. . . .

In the year 1070, the glorious japanese capture the corrupt city of babylon. Now to introduce sake to these poor oppressed people. . . The resistance in Akkad ends! (hope it doesn't flip back. Now there's a reason to get the patch! NO more flipping with "enough" military occupation.) In taking Babylon we get THE GREAT WALL. Kampai! Also 2 workers. Not bad. This is just the beginning! If only Sulla, that honorable roman, could see this. Guess he'll have to run it from his last savegame. . . :)

TWO OF OUR SAMURAI BECOME ELITE! Hoard these guys, wait for it, then. . . .

Two elites die trying to compound their status to exalted great leader . . . but we have other elites! This supply stuff is hard. It's 1090 and we've got a golden age! Hoo boy!

We run a 23 gpt deficit for one turn to get Music Theory. Ok, we're gonna hoard this one and get JS Bach. Meanwhile, I guess Andyoshi shouldn't have called Hammurabi's dog those awful names. Hoards of bowmen appear out of the Babylonian hinterlands. meanwhile, the brave samurai wash ashore with their ritual battlecries! O, the humanity, the humanity.

Music theory is ours! Switch palace placeholder in Tokyo to Bach cathedral -- 14 turns it to be ours! Another ROMAN idea bears fruition. Gotta try those fish pizzas of theirs. . . . Andyoshi the miser will deal out the tech when it can do us the most good -- cash wise. Everybody's poor (destitute! penurious! Ixnay on the ash-cay!)

In 1100 the attack turns to URUK. Got an elite here with 3 hits left, do I attack? I've already lost 2 elites doing this. . . no, send in the full strength veterans.

The palace is added on. Gotta plant trees and partially hide those Roman columns. (The guy is a genius, but lacks architectural flair.)

In 1130 we capture Uruk, and threaten Ur. Four workers! How many settlers did this guy have there? The once mighty Babylonians are knocked back on their heels! Still NO great leaders.

In 1140 i find the Zulu are building bach cathedral. Zut alors! (oops, wrong country.) Gotta deal the teck i spose.
Ah crimeny! the babylonians have knights! And they're riding zebras! (at least that's what it appears!) They whack a brave samurai!

And it's midnight! Oh heck.

We liberate Ur. Yowza!

Ok it's 1140 and that's it for Andyoshi. Next leader, note: i have 4 captured workers, guarded by a samurai, cutting a road to Lagash from Ur. Check it out -- it bypasses the woods to the north so it's like a ROMAN ROAD, GET IT -- IT FACILITATES INVASION. If you can't beat em, er, copy em, then sue em.

This turn was fun. Thanks again, Chieftess and Sulla for letting me invade!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here's the file:

Nice job! Four cities taken in a little over 10 turns. We have 24 samurai and another 7 or 8 in production, Bach's due in 9 turns, and a sizable treasury of 400+ gold. F11 says we are the largest and most populous empire in the world. Babylonians are listed as having a weaker military on the military advisor screen too! I'm quite pleased with the way things are going. Now one thing we should have done right away: rush a barracks in that city on the coast immediately. Then all samurai can heal to full in one turn without crossing back across the ocean. This would greatly increase the speed of conquest. Also good job to veto my "invasion plan"; I intended that to be an illustration and not actual strategy. Never strike 3 places at once unless you can hit them all with 10+ units :D

Since LazzyCake seems to have dropped this game (post if you are still playing LazzyCake!), the game will go to attachtatuk next. Attachtatuk, you have 24 hours to post your intent to play, then another 24 hours to play. If there's no response, we'll assume you are still too busy to get in a turn and go on. Keep the game moving at a good speed!

Here's the progress made by AndyB; I also should throw in the possibility of rushing a few temples to minimize cultural reversion. Or patch the game!

And yet another thing I learned from the great sulla. :D I never knew foritfying in a city with barracks could heal in