Well at the conclusion of Joan d'Tupace (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=161695) I declared I would accept any reasonable challenge that someone could put forward. The most support was for SimpleMonkey's 'Supreme Nationalists' proposal.


How about a variant I've been pondering for a while: Supreme Nationalists. This is for the ultimately arrogant, dominating, aggressive civ.

Pretty similar to defiant:

1. No foreigners are tolerated within your borders. They must be told to leave as soon as they're spotted. Repeat until the offenders go or declare.

2. No per turn trade agreements or treaties. Workers and techs may be purchased for straight cash, but that's it. No alliances or gpt deals.

3. Peace treaties are allowed, but only if the other side is giving more than you are.

4. No giving in to extortion. Ever. All such demands must be refused.

5. All conquered cities are razed. No exceptions. They are inferior.

And here's the kicker:

5. Your civ is too proud to let its own citizens work. No workers may be built after the first foreign slave is taken. As soon as you start taking foreign slaves, you must rejoin any existing native workers back into your cities on a 2:1 basis (i.e. for every two slaves you take, you return 1 native worker to being a citizen). Soon the only labor in your empire will be slave labor.

Sound like a worthy challange for the Tupac dynasty? I suspect that this would mean changing up a lot of strategies that have worked well for you in the past. Could be interesting.

Conquer_dude said

That looks too hard... for anybody :crazyeye:


So the Tupac Clan had no choice but to undertake this challenge. It was suggested that it would be too difficult to play on deity. So that meant that deity it would be.

Then it was suggested I play as a cultural civ, as my preffered mode of victory is conquest, just to make things more difficult.

I made a few modifications to SimpleMonkey's original proposal, some to make things slightly easier, but some to make it harder.

Changes to original model

- GPT trading is permitted on the condition that it is a straight turn-by-turn deal (ie. wines for 30gpt but not tech for 60gpt, techs must still be purchased only with straight cash)
- GPT trading for solid good is permitted on the sole condition that it is the AI paying GPT. The human player may never pay gpt for any solid goods (ie. world maps, cash, techs etc.) nor may they buy GPT goods (luxuries and resources) with solid goods.

Additions from the classic 'Defiant' variant

- In addition to alliances being forbidden, you may never sign RoP's, MPP's or Trade Embargo's with any civ.
- Foreign cities may not be demanded as peace concessions.
- In addition to one native worker being merged for every two slave workers, foreign workers may never be merged to cities for any reason. They may however be disbanded (worked the slaves to death seems to fit the nationalistic theme)
- If the AI razes one of your cities you must eliminate that city (no time frame, but if the civ is still in existence at the conclusion of the game you lose regardless of other VC's).
- If a city is captured by the AI it MUST be reclaimed (no time frame).
- If the AI razes one of your cities while in the possesion of another civ it must be eliminated.
- Abandoning cities is permitted.
- Upon entering the IA the first tech researched must be Nationalism (it may not be purchased).

They seem to be reasonable additions to me, the GPT rules are still more difficult than a traditional 'Defiant' Game, and the first ever recorded 'Defiant' victory at deity (The Defiant Nationalists of China) was placed in the 'Archive of Legendary Games'.

And that was with the greatest military civ in the game.

Choosing the World
So now I had my rules. But what sort of world? I decided archipelego would just be too cheesy for words with the Defiant variant so that left Pangea or Continents. Pangea could potentially make things a lot harder. However the Defiant Nationalists of China played on a Pangea map, so I would as well. Standard size, with random climate, rainfall and age.

What civ to choose? I had to pick a cultural civ. I classified a cultural civ as a civ that had either the religious trait or the scientific trait (scientific potentially being very useful) however there were certain civs that didnt feel 'Cultural' to me.

I therefore eliminated

Greece (Commercial, Scientific)
Persia (Scientific, Industrious)
Japan (Militaristic, Religious)
Aztecs (Militaristic, Religious)
Germany (Militaristic, Scientific)
Russia (Scientific, Expansionist)

Which left me with the following civs to choose from

Egypt (Religious, Industrious)
Babylon (Religious, Scientific)
Iroquois (Religious, Expansionist)
India (Commercial, Religious)

So I went and read the civ reviews for each (having no experience with Babylon or Egypt since my Chieftain days and my India experience limited to one AWE SG with them)

Having read the articles I then considered the strengths and weaknesses of those civs, from my view and keeping the game rules in mind, but paying close attention to the work of Ision.

All the civs had Religious so I ignored that.

Egypt

Strengths:
- Is industrious which will help a lot with all those slave workers, making them as good as the workers of a regular civ.
- Industrious has great synergy with Religious for a 'Builder' civ.
- The War Chariot is a potentially very useful UU, provided its not a mountainous world.


Weaknesses:
- Not commercial or scientific which are two of my favourite traits. That means my research is likely to lag and without the option to use GPT to acquire techs it leaves me at a real disadvantage in the tech race.
- Depending on what sort of Map I get the War Chariot could be amazingly useless.

Conclusion:

- Considered a better Vanilla civ then C3C, great flexibility, inflexible UU. A 1st tier civ overall.
Babylon

Strengths:

- Has the scientific trait which will be of immense use, the cheaper libraries mean I can research more effectively and the free tech at the beginning of each age gives me some trading leverage and getting Nationalism at the beginning of the IA would mean I wouldn't need to research it.
- Good flexibility

Weaknesses:

- A rubbish UU (and even worse in Vanilla)
- Slow starter

Conclusion:

- Good flexible choice for warmongering or building, the very important in this game (IMO) Scientific trait but a rubbish UU and the likelihood of an early GA. A 1st tier civ overall.

Iroquois

Strengths:

- Great UU, very powerful irrespective of map conditions.
- Expansionist should help me keep up in tech and help when popping goody huts.
-Will be able to get contacts and a good world map without having to buy them.

Weaknesses:

- No real synergy between the traits
- Fairly inflexible game play.

Conclusion:

- A strong cultural civ with good warring possibilites. Excellent UU and fits very well with the nationalistic them. Probably a 2nd tier civ (IMO)

India

Strengths:

- A 'made-to-order' builder with cheap culture and the commercial trait.
- Potentially very good researcher

Weaknesses:

- Once again a rubbish UU (seems to be a recurring theme, also worse in Vanilla)
- Very slow starter without great 'catch up' ability.

Conclusion:

- Average at best, a poor UU, lacks military potential. down the bottom of the 2nd tier (IMO).

As much as I wanted the Scientific trait, and the Industrious trait, I settled on the Iroquois as they will be a challenge. Have a flexible and very powerful Ancient Era UU. Also they fitted best with the Nationalists theme as they fought so hard to keep their land from the British, French and Americans.

So now I had my settings

WORLD SETTINGS

Size: Standard
Landmass: Pangea
Water: 70%
Rainfall: Random
Climate: Random
World Age: Random
Civ: Iroquois
Opponents: 7 random
Barbs: Random
Difficulty: Deity
Victory Conditions: All enabled
Culturally Linked start locations: Off
Respawn AI: Off
Preserve Random Seed: On
Accelerated Production: Off

Here's the start.

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This was the first start I rolled and so its what I have to go with.

Wish me luck!

Not bad. You've got food, shields, a river, a lux, and choppables right there from the start. Is that a coastline I see in the northwest? Or could it just be a lake?

Not bad. You've got food, shields, a river, a lux, and choppables right there from the start. Is that a coastline I see in the northwest? Or could it just be a lake?

Yep and it gets better, as you will soon see. Its actually a really good start location for this sort of game.

The meeting had been brief. King Tupac had read out the challenge to the members of his family and each one of them had grimaced at it. Still someone had to do it and so King Tupac chose one of his children who had suffered greatly recently. No, not poor old, bald, Otto Van Tupac, but someone who has suffered greatly but been largely unnoticed. Poor old Chief Sings with Tupac (better known as Tupacatha) of the Iroquois.

But really Tupacatha really would have been happy to sit this one out. He would have been happy to let one of his bigger, stronger, siblings handle this one. Someone like Mao dse Tupac, or Caesar Tupacius, or even Tupacagawa!

Still this was his big chance to impress King Tupac so he didn't want to make a muck of it. Fortunately he had a good start location. He decided to settle on the spot making his home in Salamanca.

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A game and a cow, that would make a nice little capital. He gave the orders for Salamanca to produce Scout --> worker --> warrior --> warrior --> settler.

His first scout headed south and after making his way across the burning deserts, and over the misty mountains tall, he came at last to great fields of lush grass. And their he met the first of Tupacatha's neighbours. A people who's flags were as green as the emerald grass.

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King Alexander of the Greeks, a foe the Tupac Clan was yet to fight. He seemed friendly enough yet he knew all that Tupacatha knew and would not teach Tupacatha his secrets of Bronze Working, Alphabet or Warrior code. So Tupacatha flipped him off and left. King Alex was annoyed.

Tupacatha's second scout headed north and discovered that Salamanca was on a peninsula. Perfect to prevent trespassing. He also discovered a cow on grassland, a wheat on grassland and a source of wines, with which he could drown his sorrows.

The first scout (lets start calling him Stinks like Skunk) continued his journey to the south-east and left the lush grasslands and crossed another great desert reaching great plains, where no animals did run. And there he met another young lady...

what? Alex is a guy... oh... my bad... but.. that dress...

uh rite... toga...

No of course Tupacius doesnt wear a dress! Are you insane?

...A young lady.... by the name of Elizabeth, whom no Tupac had ever met before.

She, like Alex, knew all that Tupacatha did and more, and would not trade.

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Stinks like Skunk turned to leave when another, foreign warrior emerged. He was dressed in feathers and Tupacatha thought he was rather ugly, although he didn't usually look at other guys in that light, and called himself Montezuma. Tupacatha would just call him Monty.

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At last the first of Tupacatha's settlers left Salamanca and came to a place 4.5 RCP tiles from Salamanca where they founded the city of Niagra Falls. It was a bit of a personal joke as there was no water anywhere nearby save the sea.

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Stinks like Skunk continued his exploration, coming to a vast jungle. There he met a fierce warrior people who called themselves the Zulu. They too had nothing they would share with the Iroquois.

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The 2nd scout (lets call him Bathes with Buffalo) headed south, across the emerald fields of Greece until he came to a rocky choke point, far to the south. There he met a people quite familiar to the Tupacs. The Babylonians.

Of course, typically, they had nothing to trade.

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Tupacatha had taken an unsual research path, unlike his predecessors who had gone for mathematics to trade, Tupacatha headed on a minsci for Mysticism. Of course he was beaten to it by the Babylonians but when he went to trade Mysticism to the others he discovered that none of them knew of the existence of Babylon!

Time to flex some trading muscle!

Aztecs: Mysticism for Masonry + Bronze Working + 1gp
Zulu: Mysticism + Masonry for The Wheel + Warrior Code
England: Mysticism + 33gp for Alphabet
Greece: Mysticism + 44gp for Horseback Riding
Babylon: Horseback Riding for 29gp.

So for Mysticism and 77gp (and he minscienced his way to Myst as well) Tupacatha had acquired
Masonry
Bronze Working
The Wheel
Warrior Code
Alphabet
Horseback Riding
and 30gp.

Now to acquire a few better maps.

Aztecs: Territory Map +2gp for Territory Map
Greece: Territory Map + 9gp for Territory Map
Zulu: Territory Map for Territory Map + 3gp
England: Territory Map + 3gp for Territory Map

And then Monty offered to teach Tupacatha about Iron Working for just 160gp. Naturally, Tupacatha had no nearby iron...
His Mounted Warriors would have to rule the world for some time.

Tupacatha was one happy chappy. He felt a lot happier about things now. Still the fact that he had two cities compared to most of his neighbours having 8-10 made him uneasy. So he founded another city. This time named Grand River.. yep, another in-joke. Them Iroquois and their sense of humour...

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Then Allgheny to claim control of the world's gem mines.
Cattaraugus along the Great Salamanca River.
Oil Springs to the north, and no not because they believed there would ever be ANY oil up there... them Iroquois and that humour...

Then trouble arrived...

Elizabeth of England came and demanded tribute, it was a pittance, something that Tupacatha would gladly pay... but he was forbidden to.
So he refused and to his amazement... Lizzie backed down.

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It must have been Tupacatha's 7 warriors (in the entire empire) that scared her away.
The city of Tonwanda was founded, ahead of a batch of Zulu, Greek and Aztec settlers. This gave Tupacatha control of the worlds Ivory. He now had 3 luxuries, 2 of which he could trade. He tried to order the Greeks to leave the vicinty of the area and King Alex agreed to leave.
The city of Mauch Chunk rounded out his settling.

King Alex then established an Embassy in Salamanca, and free of charge established one for Tupacatha in Athens. Gee, what a nice guy!

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Tupacatha then learned how to count, only to find that everyone else in the world already knew that. Well everyone except Hammi that is, Mathematics and a World Map was enough to secure Writing from Hammi.

Then Alex, like Lizzie made demands of Tupacatha...
He was sure he was serious, it would mean the early doom of Iroquoisland...

but to Tupacatha's amazement he was bluffing.

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Maybe Alex needed the money for this.

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Poor Alex, so early too. Tupacatha was just glad he had avoided that fate.

Tupacatha's Might Chiefdom! :crazyeye: Don't blink or you'll miss it :lol:

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Yeah, Tupacatha! Glad to see you took up the challange. :D

One small note: my original idea in coming up with this varient was to have no per turn deals at all, whether hard goods (lux or resources) or gpt, on either side. The purpose was to allow you to go to war at any time, since you'd never have any rep-breaking deals going on. I think that the way you have it set up should definitely be interesting enough. (The other defient rules about taking revenge, etc. I just forgot to add in.)

This is gonna be so :cool:

Good luck. You'll need it!

Yeah, Tupacatha! Glad to see you took up the challange.

One small note: my original idea in coming up with this varient was to have no per turn deals at all, whether hard goods (lux or resources) or gpt, on either side. The purpose was to allow you to go to war at any time, since you'd never have any rep-breaking deals going on. I think that the way you have it set up should definitely be interesting enough. (The other defient rules about taking revenge, etc. I just forgot to add in.)

Well if thats the intention, I'll make that change. I was just keen to be able to trade for luxuries. But I was willing to make it only a straight deal as that wouldnt be rep-breaking. However it is your variant, so you have the final say. I already have 3/8 of the world's luxuries under my control anyway... and I made that change before I knew if I would have ANY nearby luxuries. :lol:

And of course I just realized that if you don't do any per turn deals, then you don't really care what your rep is. :crazyeye:

Anyway, good luck with this one. Fear the Tupac clan, everyone!

The world will belong to Tupacatha!:)

Great Job on the start of your new story, good luck!:thumbsup:

Great new story! Very very nice and very hard game! Too bad I wasn't fast enough to give you a challenge, I know something amazingly hard but that would fit with your style of playing.
It's great.

Good luck!

Tupacatha returned to the throne of the Iroquois in Salamanca. His first order was to inspect the cities of his Chiefdom. He was satisfied with what he saw, although it was much smaller and weaker than he would like, there was nothing more he could do. For now. However he also saw that the rest of the world had sped away from the Iroquois. All of the worlds major powers, of which Tupacatha dreamed of being, were far ahead in technology, and their Empires were far larger.

So Tupacatha decided that a little less caution, and a little more Wei Chi Ambition was in order! He had trained eleven Mounted Warriors, of which nine he could use in battle. He summoned them all together on the mountains East of Atzcapotzalco and then he sent his envoys to Monty of the Aztecs demanding he teach the Iroquois the secrets of Map Making. Monty naturally refused and so Tupacatha decided he would forcibly extract the secrets from Monty.

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His Mounted Warriors charged into the fray at Atzcapotzalco and recorded the first ever military victory in Iroquois history, this victory sent the already proud people into a frenzy of nationalistic fervor. Their efforts economically and industrially were massively increased. It was the time of the Iroquois to rise. It was the dawn of the Golden Age of the Iroquois!

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Of course with the Aztec empire half way across the world Tupacatha would not risk his armies that far from home. He would require help from Greece to even reach Aztecland. And Tupacatha would countenance help from no one.

As he was inspecting the city of Mauch Chunk he saw on the waters barely a mile from the city, riding on the early morning tide, something unlike anything he had ever seen before. It was a monster of wood, with strong, red sails that bore an emblem and an inscription he had never before seen. When it reached the shores Tupacatha was there to investigate, with a force of warriors from the city. The people who emerged from the ship claimed to be a people of a far away land. Tupacatha had heard talk of this country from the other Empires of the world yet had never laid eyes on an inhabitant of that place. That place that called itself Rome, it was then that Tupacatha remembered the strength of his cousin Tupacius and his people. Tupacatha would be very cautious where this nation was concerned.

Tupacatha was pleased to see he knew some things that this Roman did not. His people used currency rather than the primitive bargaining techniques of the Romans. In turn the Romans would teach Tupacatha about specialising writing to record stories and history in great libraries. He also offered to teach him about Philosophy, thinkin' about thinkin'... its overrated just get another drinkin'... Tupacatha always was a fan of Robbie Williams...

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The Babylonians were willing to teach Tupacatha his legendary Code of Laws, which would help Tupacatha govern his people. Of course he did not like taking advice from any foreigner but he was not blinded by his pride. He saw the value of this code.

Babylon: Currency + World Map for Code of Laws + Territory Map + 3gp.

Shaka, ruler of the Zulu, sent an envoy to Tupacatha demanding a token tribute of gold and a territory map. It may have been a pittance but its the principle of the thing, Tupacatha would not give in to extortion. He told Shaka to shove it, so Shaka decided to push it.

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Tupacatha called up Monty, he was no suitably subdued by his defeat and the loss of his colony city. Tupacatha would not press him, but demanded the secrets of Map Making the Aztecs had earlier denied him. Monty accepted but Tupacatha was not finished. He demanded that the Aztecs pay blood money to his people for the conflict and Monty paid him a token fee.

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Now to Shaka, Tupacatha sent 6 of his finest Mounted Warriors to the Zulu colony of Tugela and the city was burned to the ground. Tupacatha was prepared to stamp his authority on any nation who threatened his people. For he is Tupacatha, young though he may be he is a Tupac, and you do not mess with a Tupac!

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The city housed a group of Zulu settlers, enough for two slave work groups. Citizens taken from the city also accounted for enough for another slave group. With 3 slave groups Tupacatha allowed 2 of his Iroquois work groups to return to the cities, to make their homes there and to leave their gruelling work behind them. The Iroquois were too proud to work, leave that to their slaves.

The iron mines near Atzcapotalzco were claimed by a group of Iroquois settlers who founded the city of St. Regis, named after Douglas an avowed atheist. That Iroquois sense of humour... hilarious...

Also the city of Centralia, founded very close to the West coast and the furtherst city from Salamanca. Really those Iroquois... so funny...

Tupacatha wished to improve relationships with his neighbours so he established Embassies with Babylon and India in the same way that Alex had established one with him.

Tupacatha saw an English warrior group protecting a band of settlers in Iroquois territory. Tupacatha ordered their immediate depature, and despite Elizabeth's assurances that they would leave they did not. So Tupacatha would have to teach Lizzie to do what shes told!

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The settlers were able to form two slave groups, allowing more native labourers to return to the cities.

Tupacatha's warriors also attacked and burned Oxford. Lizzie would surely be regretting bringing her people to Iroquoisland now!
Tupacatha was pleased with his new found strength, of course Shaka, was eager to bring him down to Earth.

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Tupacatha slew Shaka's warriors and before reinforcements could arrive he offered Shaka peace.

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Hammurabi of Babylon was the newest leader to doubt the power of Tupacatha. He made an outrageous demand of Tupacatha, one which he would never concede. Of course Tupacatha would never cede to ANY demand!

Hammurabi was not used to being defied. He planned to show Tupacatha what true military power was!

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Shaka's warriors, despite the peace, had continued to incur in Iroquois territory. Tupacatha would not stand their presence for one second! Shaka had no choice but to back his own people. The fool!

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Despite the many nearby Zulu warriors Tupacatha ordered his settlers to proceed with establish the coastal township of Akwesane.

Perhaps Tupacatha had simply pushed his people too far, maybe the constant wars had taken a toll... maybe... maybe... maybe. What everyone agreed on was the the shortlived Iroquois Golden Age had come to an abrupt end.

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Tydenaga was founded in the vast deserts south of Salamanca. It would never amount to much but Tupacatha was eager for more land. Perhaps one day a vital resource would be found in that great desert... :hmm:

Then, the warriors defending at Akwesane finally drove away the last of the Zulu invaders and from the battles arose a warrior greater than his compatriots. And that warrior's name was 'Simple Like Monkey'.

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Tupacatha appointed him a General and gave him command of 3 Mounted Warriors with which he could reap havoc. He slew a Zulu warrior he wandered into Iroquois territory alone. The people demanded Tupacatha write a book to commemorate the battle but Tupacatha refused, for now.

In the West the Mounted Warriors attacked the Babylonian town of Kish. The few bowmen defending the town were soundly defeated and the city was razed, the Iroquois warriors taking several hundred slaves, enough for a work group.

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Shaka was not really keen to continue the war and so when Tupacatha propsed bringing the conflict to an end he was more than happy to concede.

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Of course Hammurabi would not even answer Tupacatha's envoys, instead beheading them and sending them swimming in a concrete overcoat dumped in the canal with their pockets full of pebbles.

Tupacatha soon learned why.

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Tupacatha could only think to himself 'Oh deary, deary me'
Actually his words were a little stronger than that...

He had 5 Mounted Warriors in the city, each attacked and was able to record a victory. He then watched as one died... two died... three died... four died... five... wait... only four! The city had survived! Why the others had not attacked Tupacatha would never be able to answer... still Tupacatha tried Hammurabi again and this time he agreed to peace! The strange man was even willing to pay Tupacatha for it.

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Tupacatha then decided to bring an end to the long-running England war.

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Tupacatha checked with his foreign advisor and proudly said to King Tupac
'Look boss! No wars!

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He decided the time was no right to give his people the representitive power described to them by the English.

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@Mirc: If you are keen to see me give it a go then PM me with the idea and I'll see if I'm willing to take it on.

I think Monarchy would have suit you better...;)

Perhaps in the short term but I don't know monarchy, nor did England when peace was renegotiated.
Also I am along way behind (Greece recently started bach's and its only 250bc...) so if I am to catch up its going to take a big commerce effort for steals (even more important as I cant buy techs with gpt) and Republic is the best government for that. Also Republic is durable enough to wage long-running wars without crippling WW. With 3 luxs once a few markets come up I can drop the lux slider down and start to build a stable economy.

And with regards to the Babylonian peace deal (receiving 1gpt as part of it) I feel it fits the nationalistic theme to receive it as part of peace as its like continuing tribute.

Double post

The monkey thinks that Republic was a good choice as well. No problem waging war as a Republic unless you're losing or taking 40 turns to fight somebody. Neither of these are acceptable choices for Tupacawatha.

And as far as the gpt peace treaty goes ... well, it's not exactly keeping to the letter of the rules for this variant, but I figure that with as well as Tupacawatha has been doing with the tough rules that he's taken on, what the heck. :twitch:

Oh, and thanks for the tribute of the victorious unit name. :king:

All hail Tupacawatha! :worship: Can't wait to see how you'll handle Alex without any allies to help you out. (Now if Alex gets too big for his britches and starts fighting wars on multiple fronts, tying up all his units, well ... that's almost like having allies without having to pay them. :devil: )

Well, if that kinda warmonging continus, it'll be over by the Indutrial ages.

Family tree

Tupac---------------?
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Tupacus Joan d'Tupace Tupacatha

Better watch out, Alex has the super-3 defense hoplites.:spear:

And as far as the gpt peace treaty goes ... well, it's not exactly keeping to the letter of the rules for this variant, but I figure that with as well as Tupacawatha has been doing with the tough rules that he's taken on, what the heck. :twitch:

Alright well I won't do any more of that, like I said it just 'felt' within the rules to me but oh well. BTW I have no native workers left they've all been merged now.
I'm not allowed to build any more at any stage am I?

Tupacatha left and flipped him off.
That told him! :rotfl:

Awesome story already three updates and I was at school. :wow:

BTW I have no native workers left they've all been merged now.
I'm not allowed to build any more at any stage am I?

Not by the rules of this variant. It's all slaves from here on out. The noble Iroquois are too good for manual labor, after all. ;)

Can't wait for the next update!

Go Tupacatha!!

This is a tough set of rules. Good Luck! I'll be watching.

Nice start. You've been in a number of wars already and doing a great job.
:hatsoff: :cheers:

Umm... I thought one rule to the challenge was that for peace you ahve to offer more than you are getting for peace... :hmm:

Um...Iroquis are good in [c3c], not in Vanilla.;)

But good job nonetheless.:thumbsup:

Oh, yeah that's right he's playing in Vanilla. I forgot.

Umm... I thought one rule to the challenge was that for peace you ahve to offer more than you are getting for peace... :hmm:

Nope. The rule is that he has to get more out of peace than he's giving. No paying off a civ so they'll leave you alone. They must be the ones to pay. Only peace treaties that are to your advantage.

Oh, sorry I must have misread that.

Thanks so much for the support everyone! i really appreciate it and hope to have another update in a few hours.

@Ansar_King - Even though its Vanilla the Iroquois seem to be doing well enough for me for now ;)

@Conquer_dude - my understanding of the peace rules (based on Arathorn's 'Comprehensive Guide to Variants') was that you could pay for peace if it gave you a discount on tech. So for example buying Republic and a WM for 220 gold (where it would cost over a thousand from a civ i was at peace with) would be considered 'getting something' for peace.

@SimpleMonkey - just nitpicking but suppose I am to lose a city, by the rules of defiant I am required to recalaim that city. Suppose this city sits in enemy control for sometime and aquires many foreign cities, what am I supposed to do with them? It doesn't feel right to me to leave a city full of foreignors, nor does it feel right to deliberately starve one of your own cities. Would I be able to buil workers in that case as they would be slave? Perhaps a better idea would be I must build settlers but I can't use those settlers (foreign) for cities, instead they must move 1 tile away from the city and disband (the idea being that we rounded up the foreignors and they were never heard from again... or is that too morbid? :lol:).

As its your variant I won't to know what you think about that.

My thought would be that if you reclaim a city that was once yours and you find a majority of the citizens are now foreigners, that city must be abandoned. (Too late to raze it.) Otherwise it may produce workers or settlers until no foreigners remain. Foreign workers are put to work, of course, and foreign settlers are never heard from again. :devil: IIRC, starving a city with mixed citizenry can eliminate your guys before the foreigners. (Or is that when you pop rush a city with mixed citizenry? :hmm: )

Regardless, foreigners must not be tolerated. Iroquois for the Iroquois!

Tupacatha was pleased, although not delighted, with how things were going. Several nations had now felt the stinging touch of the Iroquois army and had learned from it. However the recent wars had opened up new territory to the west and Greece had already poached land that had been won by the Iroquois. Tupacatha would not stand for it and so sent his settlers west to found new towns and to occupy that land, preventing other nations from stealing it.
However his settlers arrived too late and Roman settlers had been dropped off from galleys, and additional Greek settlers had already arrived. Although it was not ideally placed Tupacatha ordered the construction of a temporary township called Filler. Its founding was enough to disuade the other nations wishing to occupy the land and gave Tupacatha enough time to get a band of settlers to the location of the town Kahnawake.

Caesar of Rome, a man Tupacatha had already decided to keep an eye on proved that Tupacatha's intuition was correct as he sent his envoys to the gates of Salamanca threatening that if the Iroquois did not pay tribute to Rome, then the Iroquois might suffer an 'accident'.
Tupacatha would never surrender to threats.

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Rome must have been plotting war for some time.

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Luckily Simple like Monkey's Army was residing in Cattaraugus at the time of the landing and they were able to avert a potential catastrophe with the aid of a handful of newly trained Mounted Warriors.

To commemorate the battle Tupacatha dictated a great work of literature, entitled the Heroic Epic.

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Alex's men had entered Iroquois territory in the south-west. Maybe they were headed to the Greek city on the West coast, Tupacatha didn't care. They should have taken the sea lanes. He demanded that Alex withdraw his troops immediately. Alex refused.

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Tupacatha now faced a potential crisis. He was at war with two of the world's strongest nations, and the Iroquois were at present very weak compared to other nations. He had to do something.
It was not helped by the supposably peaceful Indian leader, Gandhi, siding with Greece.

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Tupacatha always knew that no one could really be THAT nice!

The battle fronts, at Salamanca against the Romans, and in the south against the Greeks, were heating up. Twice Tupacatha's forces only narrowly avoided total defeat.

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Tupacatha needed superior defenders. The only way he would get that any time soon was to call on his only friend in the world. Old Monty of the Aztecs. Sure they had disputes in the past but Tupacatha was in desperate need.... and Monty didn't care. So Tupacatha had to take a chance and do something that King Tupac always insisted he was NEVER to do. He tried to steal technology from the Aztecs immediately.

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Hey wait a minute! What? It worked! Tupactha let out a cry of triumph!

He also stole Monarchy as he was not sure how long he would have to remain in war before he could get peace from Greece. Probably not long, but the proud Tupacatha would never give more than he got in peace. He was a winner and to continue that he might have to wait.

Poor old Monty, just moments after Tupacatha had robbed him blind he had Lizzie declare war on him. 'Oh well,' thought Tupacatha. 'At least it wasn't me.'

Tupactha had a daring plan, he emptied the city of Akwesane of Mounted Warriors, all seven of them, and charged out to the Greek city of Argos to the south where the Iroquois recorded the first ever victory, of any nation, against the Greek Empire.

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A great warrior fighting to defend the central Greek-Iroquois border defeated several Greek Knights, earning a fearsome reputation. He had a bizzare love of Ansars, which (in this world at least) were a mythical warrior, and hence was named King of Ansars.

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On the West coast a band of Iroquois Mounted Warriors attacked Thessalonica nad defeated the Hoplite formations of the Greeks who defended the city and the Greek colony was burned to the ground. And with the arrival of a settler band to found the city of Caughnawaga the entire north of the continent belonged to the Iroquois.

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After that Alex was willing to pay Tupacatha a fee to end the war.

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With the depature of Alex from the war Caesar lost his taste for battle.

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However Tupactha could not rest easy. For the danger of war, had not yet passed...

...continued from last post

The war with India continued and although no Iroquois had ever laid eyes on an Indian before this seperation was not to last. In 350AD the first of India's armies arrived on Iroquois shores.

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The huge beasts they brought with them appeared to be larger, fiercer and more powerful version of the small beasts whom the Iroquois extracted Ivory from. However the proud and fearless Mounted Warriors of Iroquoisland would not be intimidated by anything and a great warrior amongst them rose to prominence in the defence of Salamanca. His single handed defeat of an Indian War Elephant earned him the title 'Conqueror of Dudes'.

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And he was granted control of the Iroquois Home Guard Army, which at present consisted only of himself and another Mounted Warrior, but in time as more could be spared, that army would increase in size.

To assist in Iroquoislands ascension to a global power Tupacatha 'aquired' several secrets from the Greeks. The famous Tupac home buglary kit once again proved invaluable, worth every penny of the 1038 gold it required.

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The ever expanding, ever developing, always proud Empire of Tupacatha!

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note: after that picture was taken I switched research to invention. As I get a free steal if the first tech stolen is the tech currently being researched and I dont plan to research chivalry, i changed the tech.

Good work taking some of those Greek cities. It will be hard to make some major ground on Greek territory though.

Good job and nice update!

Conqueror of dudes :lol:?

:woohoo: Mounties rock!:cool:

Nice job on killing the AI invasions, it seems leaving the capital undefended attracts AI units towards it, this is a very old exploit...:mischief: :hmm:

@Mirc - I intend to eventually name a leader after every person who posts in this thread (yes I believe I will get that many leaders) so far I've done SimpleMonkey, Ansar the King and Conquer_dude my next leaders I plan to name after yourself, Takeo, and Sima.

And yes Mounties do rock, the attack of 3 and move of 2 means that they make a credible alternative to knights (on attack) and are definately preferable to swordsmen. My plan is to avoid chivalry, keep mass producing mounties (i have 36 atm) and then a mass cavalry upgrade.

@Ansar - oh come on its not a big exploit and I honestly had no idea when I did it, i was just trying to save cash on old mp's and then Rome declared war :lol: talk about luck of the draw!

I won't be able to update for a few days as I urgently need to get stuck into my RL assignments so here's a little insight into what I have planned (haven't played ahead though)

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Hope you can actually make it out!
A new war with greece is on the cards, plough into Delphi and raze (it is a big city, has their only furs (:woohoo: 4th lux for me soon!) and so will be a big loss) with one stack and into the old Aztec cities with the other. That will free up plenty of space for cities and hopefully net two GL (one for the FP and one for the Pentagon). Thats assuming everythign goes smoothly of course.

Wish me luck!

Your game reminds me of RBP7 - Defiant Nationalists of China (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49356) - although not all the rules are the same. Might be a good idea to read that story.

Yeeehaa, ambitious war plans! If you can take another big chunk out of Alex, you'll have some awesome momentum going. Going on to take out Sparta, for example, might have certain strategic advantages. :mischief:

Theft all the way to cavs. :devil:

I'm just impressed that you pull it off without arty, which I tend to think is crucial when you're outgunned and outnumbered.

Oh, and I don't think of leaving the capital undefended is an exploit. It's good military thinking. As the master said: "The art of war is based on deception," and "Make the enemy attack where you are not."

What government is Greece in? If its republic, then you are going to have no trouble after you take out the furs(if that one in Delphi is their only fur luxury.)But if they are in Monarchy, it wont make much of a change.

:hammer: the greeks!

You are doing an excellent job with this rule set! Once you get the forbidden palace in the spot you noted, you will really be rolling.

Funny that Rik mentioned the RBP7, cause that is exactly what I thought of when I first started reading this story.

Yep RBE7 is my inspiration in this game, I have read the game twice (had read it several times before, after Sid Vicious and the Magnificent 7+1 its my favourite game) and scanned it for all the advice I can find.

Artillery is vital yes, and I have catapults for defence in several cities. My plan is to hit the cities in a hit-and-run style move burning a small handful of cities then sue for peace.

Of course this all may never happen.
This story is being put on indefinate hold, as are all my SG's as my computer has decided to cack it and wont start up. Hopefully it will be easily fixed but don't hold your breath, if its a problem with the harddisk it may very well mean the end of my civ career... :cry:

:cry: :wallbash: :aargh:

Noooooo!!!!! Tupacatha must defeat those evil Greeks! Those scientific Greeks have learned how to sabotage your computer.

That is too bad, I have enjoyed this so far. I want to see if you can get those Greeks!

:cry::sad:

:wallbash:it! Noooooooooooooooo!!!

I mourn this. I grieve this. That sucks so bad I hope your awesome career doesnt end please no tolateI'mholdingmybreathIcan'tbelievethisishappeni ngIhopeyourproblemgetssolvedbecauseifitdoesn'tIwil lgoonanemotionalbreakdownanmostprobablydiebecauseo falltheTupacfamilymeber'sgreatnesandohmygodohmygod pleasedon'tdieconquerdudecalmdownthisfreakingsucks ihopeitgetsfixedandthattupacathacanconinuehiscompl etedominationoftheworldanddestroyallandruletheworl dlikehiscousinsdidlongagoGoodluckTupaclives! And yes, Tupac lives!

Tupac lives! let hope he diosn't die right here! :religion:

Tupac lives, I'm sure![party]

please no tolateI'mholdingmybreathIcan'tbelievethisishappeni ngIhopeyourproblemgetssolvedbecauseifitdoesn'tIwil lgoonanemotionalbreakdownanmostprobablydiebecauseo falltheTupacfamilymeber'sgreatnesandohmygodohmygod pleasedon'tdieconquerdudecalmdownthisfreakingsucks ihopeitgetsfixedandthattupacathacanconinuehiscompl etedominationoftheworldanddestroyallandruletheworl dlikehiscousinsdidlongagoGoodluckTupaclives!You have forced your spell check to commit suicide.

You have forced your spell check to commit suicide.

:lol: Good call.

You have forced your spell check to commit suicide.
Don't worry I took care of him already. ;)

Tupac, well, what is the answer? Ready yet or still getting it fixed? WE are praying for you! :religion::D

looks like tupac got back into his SG, so I'm guessing this will start up again soon

My real computer is fixable apparently but I'm looking at a week minimum. The motherboard is faulty, not the hardisk which means everything can be salvaged and put into a new computer at a discounted price. So this won't be starting up again till that takes place which could be anywhere from 1 week- 3 weeks. I can play SG's because iv put civ on another computer and you download the saves for sgs. With this i dont have antoher copy of the save so cant play it on the other computer.

I'll get straight back into this when the computer is fixed though.

It's good to know the story is not lost!

It's good to know the story is not lost!

Well, not lost yet. Computers can do strange things...

Ok the results are in on the computer, and there is good news and bad

The bad
The hardisk is irreperable. Its stuffed.

The good
some files will be recoverable although at this point they arent sure what specifically (maybe the save file, maybe not) and the computer is covered on the last month of the EXTENDED warranty so not only will they give us a new mac, they'll give us the latest computer :D :D :D

The result with regards this game; I'm not sure if the save you've been following can be salvaged, won't know that till we get the computers back, if it is then I'll get straight back into this story, if it can't I'll probably start a new game with these same conditions.

:goodjob:!!!!

yeah - I don;t know that its' an exploit, at least on deity. ON regent/monarch, it might be, because you can already outproduce the AI. But on higher levels, you pretty much have to leave *something* undefended, and border cities are way to vulnerable...

:thumbsup: I thought all hope was lost.

Will be waiting for an update...or a new story, either one is fine.:)

Would love to see this one picked up, but if Tupacatha must go back to caveman days, then he must. Figured this one was getting to easy anyway. :rotfl:

Yeah, he was going to win anyways. ;)

Would love to see this one picked up, but if Tupacatha must go back to caveman days, then he must. Figured this one was getting to easy anyway. :rotfl:
:lol:
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Ok good news and great news.

The good news is my computer is back and it is working fabulously, its the same model we had before but with 40gb more hardisk space and 256mb more ram. Its luverly.

The great news is the save works so I'll be continuining this story in the next couple of days.

The great news is the save works so I'll be continuining this story in the next couple of days.


Good to have you back!:dance: for more excellent adventure!

Tupacatha returned to the Presidency of the Iroquois Republic after a lengthy illness and he resumed where he had left off. It took a number of years though, to Marshall his troops sufficiently in the cities he intended to strike from. There was also the matter of the Iroquois-Greek peace treaty, to contend with. Tupacatha waited until the dates specified in the treaty had passed and then he would make his move. However Tupacatha was not the only leader looking to bring his military to the table of world diplomacy.
Caesar, of Rome, had long shared his southernmost lands with Hammurabi of Babylon, however the arrangement clearly no longer suited him and he delivered a declaration of war to Hammurabi. Tupacatha didn't know who to root for, he just hoped they would wipe each other out.

Elizabeth of England once again demanded Tupacatha submit to her. Tupacatha found this amusing. His mighty armies, borne on beasts of muscle and sinew, were more than a match for the pitiful English forces. He laughed at her petty boasts and Elizabeth became infuriated.

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Greece, already the world's superpower, further strengthened their dominance with the completion of yet another Great Wonder, Adam Smith's Trading Company in Corinth. The great trading company, the wealthiest private enterprise in the world, offered to pay the all of the Greek Government's maintenance costs for the use of banks, markets and harbors. Tupacatha had long desired the favour of Smith's Trading Company but it was too late now.

Indian invaders continued to arrive in patches looking to attack Salamanca. The defence of the ancient Iroquois capital revealed the great fighting characteristics of the Iroquois. However it proved an unlikely hero. Sima, a Mounted Warrior in the Iroquois army, was a great believer in documenting important events, however in battle he proved to be as great as any warrior and he personally defeated a number of Indian War Elephants, eventually Tupacatha could no longer deny him the honour of being an Iroquois Hero and he proclaimed him 'Sima, Grand Historian'.

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Sima used his excellent intellectual capabilities to devise a structured military command who would operate from a new structure he personally constructed in Salamanca called the Pentagon. With it the Iroquois Generals would be able to retain command over even more troops at once.

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Finally the day came when Tupacatha issued his famous declaration of war against Greece. Although the official transcript was lost in the mists of time the result was well documented. War.

The Iroquois armies, in preparation for years, struck hard and fast. The Mounted Warriors knew that they could not defeat Greece in a war of attrition, their powerful Musketmen and Knights could defeat the brave Iroquois, so the strike had to be carried out with inch-perfect precision.

Tlacopan, an ancient Aztec city was the site of the first battle where the Iroquois army, despite heavy losses, was able to destroy the city.

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Operation Delphi, under the command of General Simple Like Monkey was a success as well. Striking from the hills to the north the Iroquois warriors arrived and fell upon the defenders with unnatural ferocity and strength, even the musket defenders could not stop the charge, and the city was captured. The legendary Hanging Gardens of Delphi were the first part of the city that the Iroquois 'barbarians' (as the Greeks, insultingly called them... Barbarians... imagine! Tupacatha and his people are the only civilised people on this whole planet!) torched.

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Tupacatha celebrated his success with a trip to Babylon...

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Tupacatha, despite his contempt for all other people's, was not ungenerous. The Aztecs were in deep trouble and Tupacatha, as little as he cared for them he did not want any of the other powers on this continent getting much stronger. So he taught Monty the secrets of Invention and of newer and better bows, in exchange for a token fee of gold, a world map and an array of slaves.

Aztecs: Invention for Worker (aztec) + Worker (aztec) + 11 gold + WM

Then taught him about gunpowder and how to use it in weaponry in exchange for the code of Chivalry used by the world's powers to train knights.

Aztecs: Gunpowder for Chivalry

The combined Iroquois armies advanced on the Greek Jungle city of Mycenae, and it too was destroyed.

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Tupacatha had gathered nearly 20 slave groups from this war as well as opening up vast tracts of fertile land for settlement by Iroquois people.

With the lands now opened Tupacatha offered Alex peace, and Alex was only too happy to accept.

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Tupacatha then called up Gandhi and put an end to the long running psuedo-war. It had been profitable for Tupacatha, the generation of 2 Great Leaders had made it all worthwhile even though Gandhi would not pay much for peace.

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And although their forces had never laid eyes on each other Elizabeth was willing to pay Tupacatha to make sure that it never happened.

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Tupacatha's men blockaded the paths to the former Greek lands while Iroquois settlers headed to the area. And while the settling was taking place Tupacatha received word from across the world.

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Despite Tupacatha's fervent partriotism and contempt for other people he had to admit he felt a twinge of sadness at the news. He had a bit of a soft spot where the ugly little man was concerned.

He decided to pay a visit to Athens to cheer himself up. Tupacatha really was amazed at how lax security was in foreign capital cities. He'd never have foreignors wandering around his cities like he did in Athens...

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Tupacatha's day was spoiled though by the news that Greece had declared war on England. Tupacatha could not risk another war with Greece, she had Cavalry now while Tupacatha was still in the process of upgrading his Mounted Warriors with heavy armour and weapons.
However Tupacatha's mood darkened further still. Gandhi, curse his name, had not been idle. In the last few decades his scientists had been working over time and India had begun to pull away from the rest of the world.

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The Greek Captain Magellan completed a famous voyage in which he circumnavigated the world. This began an era of maritime supremacy for Greece, to supplement their land armies who were arguably the strongest in the world.
The brilliant scientist Sir Isaac Newton also completed his university in Banglore in India and his university would in future years give rise to a number of brilliant scientists. It was at times like this that Tupacatha's fierce pride, and belief in his people's unchallenged right to rule the world, was temporarily shaken. But he would recover. Iroquoisland would catch and pass these upstarts! Tupacatha would not be the first of the Tupac Clan to fail. He would not!

The first muskets began to be produced in Iroquoisland and the army began to grow in strength. Although very much behind the rest of the world who had cavalry and riflemen Iroquoisland still believed it could catch them.

Tupacatha decided to start that catch up with another trip to Babylon.

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He had no money with which to upgrade his knights however his barracks switched, ignoring the now obsolete Code of Chivalry in favour of the Military Tradition code of training.

Tupacatha surveyed his empire, the only nation in the world yet to reach the Industrial Age. India had begun the process of granting Universal Suffrage to its people, the Iroquois were a long way behind. But Tupacatha was not worried.

Because Tupacatha...

believed in miracles.

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Yay! Tupaclives is back! :bounce:

Nice updates.... You won't catch me playing on Deity though.... too much BS (like the AI getting tons of free units) and not enough fun, IMO... No-variant Monarch (especially with well-designed mods like the WH fantasy) is enough of a challenge for me. :D

Tupacatha is back!
It's great!

Wow! Great update and worth waiting for! Sorry to see Monty go, but that's what you get when all your UU has to work with is a wooden club. :lol:

Cannons and cavs, and soon Alex will be sweeping out the Iroquois stables.

Tupac's come back! Great update, but somehow, I cant quite see you winning a conquest. I don't know why, mabey its because you usualy already destroy half the world by now, but... Whatever. Great to have this story back!

:woohoo:
:band:
[party]
:bounce:

Glad to have you back! :)

Yay! You can do it!

Good to see this story getting back on track!

One question, how are you able to steal all those techs even though you don't have the Intelligence Agency? I have Conquests and I can't do that, is it only available in PTW or something?

You can do it by going through your embassy. It just has a lower chance of success.

It's the wonderous ingenuity of the TCI, The Tupacian Central Intelliegence! As a side hobby from taking care of Tupacatha's interesting array of scalps from the various cities burned, they also do a little work in the "Diplomatic" world! :mischief:

Thanks everyone for the comments! a slight spoiler but the further I go into this game the more I doubt my ability to win it..

Tupacatha was not a man who liked weakness. Least of all in himself, yet the way global events were happening he could tell that his power was fading. King Tupac had once said 'You don't need to use force, just project strength' yet Tupacatha knew that even what he projected was weakening.

This was made pointedly clear to him by Caesar.

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Curse his name! Rome was the world's premiere maritime power and her control of the seas was unquestioned. Although Tupacatha knew that his armies could defend Iroquoisland he had no navy with which to defend his shores. He would have to pray that Roman ships were innacurate.

Shaka still smarted from his past defeats against the Iroqouis and the mighty warrior-king would not allow defeat to blacken his name.

Caesar only had to say the word and Shaka jumped at the opportunity for revenge

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Despite a two front war Tupacatha knew that if was to lead his people to glory he had to force reactions, not react to the moves of his many enemies.

His initial plan had featured another war with Greece and once he completed the upgrades of his Knights and his remaining Mounted Warriors to Cavalry he made his move.

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He had positioned his warriors strategically across the Iroquois-Greek border with several key staging points. In the East the Greek city of Argos was the main target, and a force of 10 cavalry succeeded in taking and burning the city.

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The major two points however were Sparta and Corinth. Sparta was the second city of Greece and of major importance to the Greek nation, it also hindered the influence of Tupacatha's selected site for his second Palace. So it had to go. It took a heavy force to open the city and Iroquois casualties were worrying. However the city was destroyed.

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Corinth, site of the Adam Smith Trading Company Headquarters was taken with comparitive ease with Sparta. The Iroquois cavalry divisions recorded an astonishing string of success and suffered virtually no losses in the entire assault. However when Tupacatha entered the Headquarters to confront Adam Smith himself, the Greek Businessman refused to assist 'such economically unsound people' and Tupacatha flew into a rage. Unforunately in this state he struck Smith repeatedly, killing him. With no one left to guide the company it was worthless, to Greece and Iroquoisland, and so Tupacatha saw no reason for the city to even remain standing.

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However Tupacatha suffered his first real defeat. His plan had been for a force of 8 cavalry to attack New Delphi from the Jungle, however while they prepared in camp a counter force of Greek Cavalry attacked and every one of the Iroquois force was killed. Tupacatha mourned the loss of each of his warriors greatly. Further problems lay ahead though, in the territory now claimed from Greece the new city of Gewauga faced the Zulu army of Shaka's Knights. The defences of the city were barely able to drive them off, much less destroy them. While the rest of the defenders rested Simple Like Monkey and Sima Grand Historian who now fought alongside each other were taken by suprise by an attack of Greek Cavalry. The proud, traditional warriors, did their level best but they were both killed along with the rest of their army, though it took 3 Greek Cavalry divisions to bring them down.
However King of Ansars not only avenged their tragic deaths but sought out and killed Shaka's general and his army.

The loss of two of Iroquoisland's greatest heroes was an immeasurable tragedy yet Tupacatha refused to see it as a loss. They had died in honourable battle against a worthy foe, they had brought down many foes before dieing and their sacrifice had saved the city. To commemorate their heroic efforts Tupacatha commissioned the creation of the 'Gewauga Tapestry' detailing the battle of the city.

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The Iroquois troops resting near the former site of Argos moved on to the city of Pharsolos. Having been reinforced by troops from the core of Iroquoisland they were able to take and destroy the city, however the Greek armies were remarkably stubborn and Tupacatha's military advisor informed him that while the Iroquois armies had been regarded as strong compared to all but Rome, Greece and India it was now weak compared to all nations but Zululand and England. How could they possibly continue such an expensive war?

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Luckily the Greek people were alarmed by the Iroquois's consistent and impressive victories and they pleaded with their leader Alex for peace, finally the calls became so intense that he sent his envoys to Iroquoiland. Tupacatha was more than happy to take peace, he had no intention of being drawn into a long war of attrition. Of course he was never prepared to simply accept peace for nothing...

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On the new Zulu border Tupacatha's armeis fought with traditional pride and modern weapons and their continued victories against the Zulu eventually lead to the rise and rise of one man, a Chief of south Iroquoisland his position as a Captain in the Eastern armies commanded him great respect and his repeated victories earned him the admiration of Tupacatha. Tupacatha was so proud of this warrior, and so impressed by his victories, that he named him Chief Takeo, Supreme Commander of the Eastern Armies, and gave him personal command of a Cavalry Army.

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Tupacatha's palace in Castle Tupacatha was completed the same year.

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Tupacatha felt the force of Rome's maritime power throughout the war and although their numerous landing had been easily dealt with the Roman Navy had stripped the once fetile lands of Salamanca, Niagra Falls and Oil Springs bare, all the way along the coast. Tupacatha was desperate for peace and was delighted that Caesar too, tired of war.

The peace was declared with a token reperation from Rome.

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Continued next post...

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Now with the Alliance between Rome and Zululand disolved Tupacatha took advantage of Shaka's friendlessness signing peace, even claiming the chance to contest Rome at sea as part of the peace deal.

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Tupacatha now had been at war for nearly 200 years, without expenditure his people had accumulated an impressive treasury, more than Iroquoisland had ever had before. Tupacatha decided to invest it into his 'Iroquois Advancement' Program, working to bring Iroquoisland into the modern world.

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Things might have looked rosy to an outsider, but Tupacatha never cared for outsiders, and he could see that his problems were getting deeper... for starters those Roman Ironclads had entered his waters... and they might not like being told to shove it...




Can Tupacatha catch the research juggernaught that is India? Can Tupacatha complete his land grab before Greece acquire Infantry? Can Tupacatha match the maritime power of Rome? Who will be the next world power to challenge the (currently greatly weakened) Iroquois people?

And when will Tupacatha finally do some of his own research?

All this and more will be revealed (possibly, I haven't actually played any further ;)) in the next (hopefully) exciting installment of

TUPACATHA's MOST EXCELLENT ADVENTURE!!

:woohoo:

Too...Much...Suspense.:twitch:

Great update!:goodjob:

Must be a bigger challenge in Vanilla/PTW since the AI actually builds armies.:D

Can Tupacatha catch the research juggernaught that is India? Can Tupacatha complete his land grab before Greece acquire Infantry? Can Tupacatha match the maritime power of Rome? Who will be the next world power to challenge the (currently greatly weakened) Iroquois people?

And when will Tupacatha finally do some of his own research?

All this and more will be revealed (possibly, I haven't actually played any further ) in the next (hopefully) exciting installment of

TUPACATHA's MOST EXCELLENT ADVENTURE!!

You stole that from me!!!! Nah, not really, i just couldnt resist.
personally, id be more worried about Rome. They have more land than india, which means more chance of resources, which means more likely to be able to build the spaceship.

You stole that from me!!!! Nah, not really, i just couldnt resist.

I assume you are joking, but if not rest assured I didn't steal it from you, I used it way back in 'The Australian Empire' (gosh, emperor... those were the days :lol:)

personally, id be more worried about Rome. They have more land than india, which means more chance of resources, which means more likely to be able to build the spaceship.

Yes but India currently has a lead of several techs. They were the first to the Industrial age, the first to start US (Greece got it btw in athens) and I can't rememebr but they may have started ToE... they are, research wise, ahead by miles. Rome is probably the military superpower right now though. I have a prebuild in Niagra falls that has been running since the days of Invention so if I can catch up to Sci Method I should be able to get ToE. (wow, taht would be my first wonder!)

This game will almost certainly go to the Modern Age.

This is turning out to be a fascinating game. Much more of a struggle than the tales of Tupacatha's ancestors -- I think that by this time in those games the Tupac clan was all over the map. Will Tupacatha end up having to contend with nukes? :eek: Could happen. Cavs and cannons before Alex gets infantry, and you can own that continent!

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Tupacatha now had been at war for nearly 200 years, without expenditure his people had accumulated an impressive treasury, more than Iroquoisland had ever had before. Tupacatha decided to invest it into his 'Iroquois Advancement' Program, working to bring Iroquoisland into the modern world.

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Did you get 2 techs per steal ?? :confused:

Destroy.:twitch: Romans. :twitch: Now. :twitch:
Very good! :D

Ugh, I jynxed it! Can we see the historgaph perhaps?

I assume you are joking, but if not rest assured I didn't steal it from you, I used it way back in 'The Australian Empire' (gosh, emperor... those were the days :lol:)

Pretty much i was joking, but since i had been using it at the end of each of my updates in my story, i just couldnt resist. :D

Did you get 2 techs per steal ?? :confused:

Yep, the way to do it is that you set your research to the tech you want to steal and when you steal it up comes the window asking what you want to research next, you then select another tech and it steals that as well (you can still only get a maximum of 2 techs per steal tho)

I'll post a histograph in my next update.

Its a vanila/ptw bug, i read about it, but cant find the link.:p

You..... must..... continue..... the...... story............

Yep, the way to do it is that you set your research to the tech you want to steal and when you steal it up comes the window asking what you want to research next, you then select another tech and it steals that as well (you can still only get a maximum of 2 techs per steal tho)

I'll post a histograph in my next update.This is no criticism of your playing style; but I wouldn't use this exploit. I already felt bad in my story that I used the Big Picture to get Theory of Evolution 1 turn earlier.

Tupacatha politely requested that Caesar remove his naval forces from Iroquois waters and Caesar, thankfully, concurred. Iroquoisland was now regarded as an 'Industrial' nation but still lacked many technologies that were common knowledge in the rest of the world, so he set about seeing where he could acquire this knowledge.

Elizabeth was willing to teach Tupacatha about navigated ocean waters, how to run an economy and about playing music if he in turn would teach the English about railways.

English: Steam Power + 36gp for Navigation + Economics + Music Theory +WM.

Now the world began to descend into warfare, Tupacatha was just glad he had avoided the ire of Rome, as Iroquoisland could not yet match their naval power. However Babylon was not so lucky. Rome declared war on Babylon and rallied their allies in Zululand to their side.

Tupacatha's scientists also made their first discovery in thousands of years.

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Now the race was on. Tupacatha received word that along with India; Rome Greece and Zululand had all begun work on a Theory of Evolution. Tupacatha was well behind in technology, far from reaching this first but he had one thing his foes did not. The Tupacian Central Intelligence.
It cost Tupacatha nearly 3000 gold, a greater cost then his people had ever before witnessed in acquiring technology yet he did it for the good of his people.

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Tupacatha used this new technology as leverage with other nations. He called up the embattled Hammurabi and offered him these new technologies in exchange for the knowledge of Industrialization and the Printing Press. And the technologies to England in order to learn about true Democracy.

Babylon: Medicine + Electricity for Industrialization + Printing Press + WM + 20gp
England: Medicine + Electricity for Democracy + 34gp

Now on relative parity with the worlds major powers, Tupacatha turned to Niagra Falls to push him into uncharted territory... a technological lead...

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Now it was time to pull level.

India: Atomic Theory for The Corporation + Sanitation + Espionage + 5753gp
Greece: Atomic Theory for Refining + 208gp
Rome: Atomic Theory for Steel + WM
Babylon: Steel + Replaceable Parts for Free Artistry + Communism + 405gp
India: Electronics for 3910gp
Greece: Electronics + 1200gp for Combustion + World Map

Greece then decided the time had come for them to finally finish off their long time enemy the English. They declared war upon them and Tupacatha almost winced at the thought of Greece gaining further control of the continent.

Roman troops landed near Salamanca and Tupacatha seriously doubted that they were there for a holiday. He demanded that they be withdrawn

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Tupacian Central Intelligence finally completed their Headquarters in Castle Tupacatha, and the deployed agents to every nation save Rome and Zululand.

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The race was on with India to build the all-powerful Hoovers Dam. Iroquois agents reported that Delhi could complete it a turn before Salamanca so one turn before completion Tupacatha sent his most skillful agent to Delhi with one thing in mind.

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It cost Tupacatha 8314gp but it was worth it.

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After its completion Tupacatha received word from England...

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Tupacatha took a look at the information his historians had collected for him.

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Well he'd certainly come along way, but there was still much to do... and India had learned how to fly... what else was to come? Surely space was a frontier that could never be conquered... surely...

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Yay, update!:woohoo:

seems like Greece has become a superpower...:sad:

It looks like Zululand is Greece's next target, but you can still go after Babylon, they are usually peaceful.

I would build up and take Greece. You can't let that to continue. I would at least cut them down to 3/4 of their remaining territory.

I think the plan is coming along quite well. With factories augmented by Hoover Dam, Tupacatha is set to become an industrial powerhouse. Greece is not in a good position to defend its western salient, even if it does include Athens. If Tupacatha can pull off a steal of Flight from India, he's in a good position to bring superior Iroquois rule to even more of the planet.

Excellent work on the sabotage of India's attempt at Hoovers! That may have been one of the best moves of the game! :worship:

:eek: That was an awful steep price to sabotage the Hoover Dam!!!
But, well worth it.:)

This is great. I think you can pull this off.

Following with great interest!

I've played on and things have been fluctuating wildly, my favour, greece's favour, india's favour. India just researches so fast :eek: I'll update later today but lets just say that if I win this it wont be a military victory...

Culture then?:D

Not Military? Tupacus and Joan d'Tupace will see Tupacitha as a weakiling!

Tupacatha's first announcement of the year was that Grand River had completed work on a great financial district known as Wall Street. The area had become unusual in that it was the trading centre of the Iroquois nation, people flocked from near and far to shop at its markets, use its banking facilities and to buy shares in the many large companies that existed in Iroquoisland. As a result it offered a sizeable amount of funds to the Iroquois economy.

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However his second announcement was much more grim. India had reached yet another distinctly new age.

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Tupacatha knew he was not far behind the Indians technologically and so decided to make a point of returning to parity.

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With these two new technologies Tupacatha had some leverage in trading with Greece and so sold Alex Radio in exchange for Mass production.

Greece: Radio for Mass Production + WM + 43gp

Then with the last required technology now visible Tupacatha returned to India to finish the job.

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However in the meantime world events had been speeding forward, Zululand had entered into a war with Babylon and Greece had sided with Babylon in a military alliance.
Tupacatha also made another proclamation.

'People of Iroquoisland, we stand alone. Together we stand alone against the cold, harsh world. Our enemies, the foreignors, seek to destroy us. To defile our sacred lands, to bury us into the pages of history. But they shall not! My countrymen, my friends, we will not go quietly! We will not fall without a fight! From this day forward every Iroquois, man, woman or child will be working toward the greatness of our empire. Inefficiency will not be tolerated! We cannot allow Rome to dominate the seas, India to dominate the air and Greece to dominate the earth upon which we walk. From this day foward all of our people will strive to ensure that Iroquoisland ALONE is the master of the land, sky and sea. From this day forward will are mobilised for war!'

As his people turned the Iroquois nation into an industrial powerhouse producing weapons, ships and tanks at an unprecedented rate and before long the Iroquois were seen as a major military force.

However India continued to lead the way in technology.

But Gandhi made a mistake that Tupacatha knew could hand victory to the Iroquois.

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With the worlds two major powers at war Tupacatha seized his opportunity.

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Along the southern Iroquois-Greek border would be the Western Salient of the war. The Greek territories there were very thin with perhaps 5 regions of any note. However it included the city of Athens, widely regarded as the greatest city in the world. Tupacatha's spies told him that there were 26 Infantry and 3 artillery defending the city. And it was size 23. Tupacatha had to think hard as to how he could deal with that. The answer was painfully simple.
Why bother with subtelty to deal with a problem when you can just use a sledgehammer? 20 Tanks, 15 Elite cavalry, 23 artillery, 12 cruise missiles and 4 infantry was the force Tupacatha chose to use at Athens.

The artillery opened fire and levelled building after building, weakening unit after unit.
The cruise missiles killed half a dozen of the Infantry
And then the tanks rolled in.
But even that was not enough so Tupacatha used his Elite cavalry and finally succeeded in taking the city.

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At the easternmost point of the Western Salient a force of 6 tanks rolled effortlessly into New Sparta, the cities 3 infantry garrison proving woefully inadequate.

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At the far-west of the salient artillery brought the defending infantry to near death and then Tupacatha sent whatever Elite units he could get his hands on into battle.

It goes to show that the brave Iroquois Mounted Warriors NEVER become obsolete!

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As Tupacatha's warriors healed he received word from India that they had persuaded Babylon to join the righteous crusade against the Communist Greeks!
Once fully rested and repaired the Iroquois armoured companies rolled onwards toward the Western-end of the Salient.
Ephesus was well defended and the garrison took the lives of four tanks fresh from the Forbidden Palace Production Zone but the city inevitably fell.

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The iroquois scientists finally finished their work into fission and so Salamanca switched from its work on a Military Academy to working on a place where all the governments of the world could meet, a United Nations as it were.
Not that Tupacatha cared for anyone else, but he had to be prepared to counter the diplomatic threats of the rest of the world.

Forces advanced onto Herakleia and the small fishing town was burned to the ground to make way for the incoming Iroquois settlers.

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Tupacatha wondered why his forces had ceased to meet with armoured opposition from Greece. His spies in India revealed why. India had disconnected everyone of Greece's oil deposits.

Nothing could go wrong. Tupacatha was sure he was breezing toward victory, he though he had complete control of world affairs.

He thought wrong.

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You better make sure they don't get a spaceship.

You're giong to have to fight them.

Ah, but the mighty Tupacatha has superior intelligence and excellent spying skills. He can continue to steal techs and sabotage production to keep India from launching. With the world powers at war, he might also even be able to squeeze out a diplomatic victory. Probably not, though. The point would be to keep India at war if at all possible to get them to switch to a less efficient government or even (oh happy day) to get them to mobilize. As it is, Tupacatha's taken a good bite out of Alex. Rock on, Tupacatha! :rockon:

Or another thrilling possiblity would be a bold overseas invasion with the sole object of burning Gandhi's capital and destroying the whole spaceship. That would be :cool:

Ever heard of edit?

Oh yeah. Edit. I think I have heard of that. Interesting.

Or another thrilling possiblity would be a bold overseas invasion with the sole object of burning Gandhi's capital and destroying the whole spaceship. That would be :cool:

This would be great to see! A brave and daring dart into hostile territory to level the playing field!

:cool: Way! I say oversea invasion of India is, if not the best strategy, at least the strategy most likely to feed me some jollys. Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill!!

Tupacatha listened intently to the words of his advisors. They all favoured a strike into India to destroy their spaceship before they could launch it but Tupacatha would not be swayed by their words.

'My friends, yes we could strike at India now but remember friends that India is at war with Greece, so long as they continue to fight our mutual enemy we have no reason to attack them. The technology they possess at present would not be enough to even get such a craft off the ground, let alone into space. We have no reason to be concerned now. No, instead let us concentrate on things that can bring immediate gains. Greece.'

And so Tupacatha's forces headed southward, toward the last Greek city in the West, Knossos. At the battle their one of Tupacatha's proud cavalry divisions, although increasingly obsolete, showed that despite the years that had passed there was no Iroquois warrior like one mounted on horseback. He single handedly marshalled the Iroquois forces and was proclaimed a general of Tupacatha's army and given command of four tanks. Despite his prowess he was considered a little shifty by his comrades hence his name 'Mirc-y Like River Water'

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Tupacatha was concentrating his forces on the Greek front and his need to divert artillery meant that his coasts were no unprotected against the Roman Battleships who were gradully destroying th Iroquois navy. So Tupacatha sent his messengers to Rome and Caesar was willing to pay a fee to repair the rail network on the Iroquois coast.

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Caesar however clearly was too fond of war and Tupacatha received word from Rome that they had signed a military alliance with Greece against India. Tupacatha simply smiled, everything was goign his way. His spirits were further lifted by the news that the Indian Democracy had been overthrown by bolshevists and had been reformed into a communist state.

Iroquois tanks pushed eastward into Greece's captured territories. One of the last true Greek cities, Thermopylae felt the fury of the Iroquois Armoured Companies. Yet once again it proved to be the horseborn warriors who dealt the killer blow.

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The world decended further into insanity with the news that India had coerced Zululand to join her in battle against the Romans.

The United Nations was completed in Salamanca and there was great outcry for their to be a general election held for the the position of Secretary-General. However Tupacatha was not certain he would win, despite his influence at the world diplomatic table, his military power, and the fact that he was the only nation at war with just one other nation. So he used his influence to suspend the vote. He would not suffer a loss as humiliating as that.

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Tupacatha received word that the Indians had completed work on a docking bay for their spaceship.

Tupacatha had repeatedly seen Babylonian troops enter his territory en route to Greece and he had consistently demanded their removal from Iroquois territory. Finally Hammurabi's patience snapped. If Tupacatha would not grant him passage through his lands then he would force his way through!

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Yet how many leaders had made rash decisions, while angry, in history?

The Babylonians had constructed the city of Kish on the site of the city of Knossos and Iroquois forces were able to destroy it immediately upon the declaration of war.

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Meanwhile in the East Iroquois armoured columns continued to move through Greece, coming to the ancient lands of the Aztecs and the historical city of Tlatelolco, home of the Collosus. Yet Tupacatha could not for the life of him figure out what the giant statue did, in these days of airplanes (his bombers had very nearly replaced artillery now) even the view from that height was inferior to what could be seen from a plane. Tupacatha was not impressed by the old city and ordered its immediate demolision to make way for planned Iroquois settlements.

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Tupacatha received word from his spies in India that the Indians had completed a third part to their spaceship, Thrusters.

The old English city of Warwick was the next target of the Iroquois armoured companies. While the main force had pushed south a second force of freshly forged tanks, spearheaded by General Mirc-ee Like River Water's Army pushed on directly east of the original salient rather than south. The defences here were no more impressive than anywhere else in Greece. That is to say that they were bodge at best. So bodge in fact that one of the tank drivers was able to defeat several divisions of Greek Infantry single handed. However his comments that his comrades were 'waspy for not doing as good as me' led to him being nicknamed 'the Fascist' by his comrades. Tupacatha ignored his personality and elevated him in the Iroquois army. He was declared 'General Fascist like Republicans'.
Tupacatha hated Republicans, how anyone could not vote for the 'Tupacatha is God' party really didnt deserve the right to vote...

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The Indians also completed work on a set of engines to go with their thrusters.

The Warwickian Task Force pushed north toward Zululand, the city of Tugela had fallen to the Greeks early in the Zulu-Greek war and Tupacatha believed that if the city had been unable to defend itself against the pitiful Greek forces who remained in the city then it was not worthy of existence.

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More to come very soon...

Excellent job, Tupacatha! I knew that Greece would fold up if you pushed. And if Hamurabi is still wearing a top hat, you should be able to pound him pretty hard and get some more territory in that direction.

Oh, and I didn't mean that Tuapcatha should invade India now. Just when Gandhi's about five turns from launch. Of course, someone might be able to steal his way to having nukes by then ... :mischief:

Nooo!!! I want to be a Great Leader. :cry:

AHH::eek:

AZZAMAN! I thought u were CH!:lol:

Avatar switch Festival!:goodjob:

Dont worry Azzaman, there will still be plenty of leaders to come, I'm sure of that. I'm jsut goign through people as I remember that they've posted in the thread, yourself and stocktracker are next.

Was planning to do another update tonight but ended up playing my turns for Tupac02 AWE - Gandhi the Conqueror instead... so tired... will post an update in the morning (for those playing along at home thats about 8-9 hours from now)

Woah dude you're kicking butt. SOon that whole continent will be yours! :D

Tupacatha deployed 2 of his top agents to Rome and Zululand respectively. For too long these nations had not been under the observation of the Tupacian Central Intelligence and Tupacatha was anxious to make sure that neither was able to deceive Iroquoisland.
On the Babylonian front Tupacatha's forces had not missed a beat and they continued to push southward into the Babylonian peninsula. Eridu was an absolutely critical city to the Babylonian military as it was the only city they had with access to rubber. Without it they would be unable to produce additional infantry forces. The Iroquois armoured columns made short work of the defenders and Babylon was now in serious trouble

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With Babylon facing serious problems from their northern salient with the Iroquois they set aside their pride and made peace with their long time enemy the Romans.
Similiarly they met with Greek officials and a peace treaty between their two nations was also agreed, they both declared that the threat of Iroquoisland was too great for them to stand divided.
However the additional troops it freed up at home for Babylon proved inadequate as the Iroquois tanks continued their drive southwards, this time to Ellipi which served to cut off Babylonian access to oil and horses. The Babylonian empire was falling apart.

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Tupacatha received word from India that they had begun a great project to test nuclear weapons, they had called it the Manhattan project. Tupacatha did not wish to see these weapons brought to bear by anyone but if he could not stop it he would make sure that the Iroquois were the first to weild them.

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What worried Tupacatha was that this meant that the Indians had at last gained access to a source of Uranium, yet Tupacatha could not for the life of him determine where. Nations who possessed surplus' of it had not yet even discovered it let alone be able to trade it. Was India mining uranium on foreign soil?
Zululand and India signed an Alliance against Greece, dragging Zululand back into war with Greece.
On the Greek front the Iroquois generals knew that they had lost the support of the people back home, thousands now protested daily and many cities had fallen into civil disorder, so Tupacatha ordered a final drive by the Iroquois armoured companies.
To the new capital of Canterbury.
There they met with heavy opposition, Greece had somehow found the manpower and resources to outfit nearly a dozen infantry in the city. Tupacatha had not expected this and his tanks were pushed very, very thin. However as is always the case, when your back is to the wall, someone will produce something magical. One of the Iroquois tank commanders broke the back of the Greek defenders alone. The wild man, commonly reffered to as a stallion by his friends was named by Tupacatha General 'Bucky Like Horses Rea' and was named CO of the Iroquois nuclear program.

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Having lost two capitals, Tupacatha felt that Greece had learned its lesson and with his people rioting wildly back home Tupacatha approached Alex with his peace demands.

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With the Greek war at an end Tupacatha's people were no longer forced to work for the military effort, they were allowed to return to civilian life working in banks or universities or factories, and Tupacatha felt that a mobilised economy was not necessary in order to defeat Babylon. Iroquoisland had, since first mobilising, become the worlds premiere air, naval and army power. It had been a long hard climb, but the Iroquois were now the world's top dogs.
Following Tupacatha's lead Gandhi made peace with Caesar, bring the 8 decade long psuedo-war to a close.
Tupacatha was keen to bring new luxuries home to his people and he saw on the Babylonian west coast a position of great significance which would allow him to gain access to stores of silk. He commisioned the construction of a transport fleet, and a force of 7 Infantry and 8 Tanks to accompany the settling party. The settling party immediately set up a defensive campsite protected by the infantry and the tanks pushed east from the city to Samarra in order to clear the surrounding area of the foul Babylonian presence.

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Iroquois bombers were stationed in the city and began to ravage the surrounding countryside.

TCI had been relatively quiet for some time now, it had been nearly 200 years since they had last been called into action on a technological front. Tupacatha knew however that while he had completed work on the Manhattan project first, it was the Indians and Greeks alone who could benefit from that.
So Tupacatha ordered the 'acquiring' of the technology required to construct Nuclear Weapons.

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Tupacatha then sold the technology of satellites to the Greeks for the heft sum of 6107gp.

Greece: Satellites for 6107gp + WM

The Babylonian Peninsual Task Force 'Operation Luxury' pushed further southward toward the ancient city of Ur. The defences were bypassed with embarrasing ease and the city, including the ancient observatory of Copernicus, was burned to the ground to clear the way for the incoming Iroquois settlers who proceeded construct cities along the way, granting acces to the fragrant incense so favoured by the Iroquois people.

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The Iroquois Empire at present.

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Yay i'm a general! and i can't vote! You better win this one, Tupacatha

Grr...
I wanna be general! :p

And I note that the Apollo Program is about to come on line. Is Tupacatha headed for the stars, the first of his clan to leave the planet? :hmm:

In good time Madviking, Azzaman and stocktracker are next on the list, dw there is still plenty of time left in the game.

@SimpleMonkey: I probably won't because of the number of techs that still need to be researched, i'm shooting for a dom victory now, I'm pretty confident I can manage it, just take my continent then hit either rome or india (probably india unless they've got Mech's...) and i should be fine. However if things start to get dicey in that regard (time running out, india nearly finished) i might launch. I'm still hoping for a military victory though

I apparently missed a update a few days ago and picked up on the one after it. Cause I just now saw 'Chief Takeo-Supreme Commander of the Eastern armies' Woohoo!:D :cool:

BOOO-YAH!! Very good! :D

Tupacatha announced that Iroquois engineers and scientists had concluded their work on the Apollo Program to put a man on the moon. It was believed that this program would lead on to bigger and better things in the area of space exploration. Although Tupacatha did not care for space exploration, the whole thing seemed shifty and foreign to him, he did acknowledge that he could not allow India uncontested control of Space Exploration.

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The Tank forces at Silk Springs in the Babylonian north moved southward to Akkad as part of their task to clear the area around the new settlement of Babylonian influence. Babylon no longer had control of any sources of rubber and Tupacatha was suprised to see this old city protected by Riflemen and Marines. His tanks rolled effortlessly over them

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Chondote, site of the Apollo Program's success was working alone on production of parts on a spaceship that could take people across not just the distance from the Earth to the moon, but across the distances of the stars. However Tupacatha arrived to inspect the work one day to find that the work on the parts had been completely destroyed. A furious supervisor informed him that during then night, someone had saboutaged the work. Tupacatha was not certain of who it was but he had a feeling that a certain Mahatma Gandhi was behind this...

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Tupacatha received the news that India had completed work on a life-support system for their cosmonaughts.
In the south, at Babylon, the Iroquois tanks rolled effortlessly over the Babylonian defenders, however two men rose to prominence this day, displaying the kind of quality that Tupacatha valued so highly.
One was a man from the Azzer mountains south of Salamanca. Tupacatha proclaimed him General 'Man of the Azzers' Governor of Babylon.
Man of the Azzers had great natural apptitude for medicine and it was his methods that led to the development of a source of Battlefield Medicine that could be used to treat soldiers in the field.
The other man who rose to fame was a warrior of such beserk ferocity that Tupacatha could not ignore him. Tupacatha gave him control of a tank army, hoping that he would bestow this ferocity on his warriors.
Tupacatha pronounced him General 'Mad Like Viking Suit Maker' Commander of the 3rd Iroquois Armoured Company.
With their influence on the battle, Babylon fell with ease.

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The Iroquois forces based in Silk Springs moved south again, this time to Lagash. After four day of relentless bombing attacks the Iroquois tanks rolled into the city.

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Tupacatha's forces in the south of Babylon under the command of General Man of the Azzers continued their drive onto Nineveh, the old city was one of the most cultural in the world. Tupacatha made it one of the deadest in the world.

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Tupacatha felt calm, muscular and compact, like corn beef. He had no idea that his world was about to be changed for ever.

Gandhi, so long an island of sanity in a turbulent world. A man Tupacatha had come to trust , or at least as much as one could trust a foreignor, must have lost his mind. Iroquoisland had never been stronger. Perhaps the Indian successes in Greece had inflated Gandhi's ego. Perhaps India still secretly smarted from their collosal defeat centuries before.
Why Gandhi did it, we will never know. What we do know is that it decided his fate.
He declared war on Tupacatha.

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His forces sneak attacked several of the outlying settlments in former Greek-held territories.
At New Chondote the lone tank division defeated an Indian counterpart and came ever so close to holding the line twice, but in the end it was not enough and the city was destroyed.

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Further south at New Kahnawake Indian tanks rolled northwards from Greece and the lone tank division in the city could do nothing to resist the onslaught of Indian tanks. The city was destroyed and Tupacatha lost control of nine fo his bomber squadrons. Things looked grim.

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Now Tupacatha was at war with the one nation in the world who possessed a nuclear arsenal (11 Tactical Nukes, 7 ICBM's) and the one nation in the world who matched Tupacatha technologically. The destruction of two of his cities, and the loss of nearly 20000 Iroquois civilians could have only one response.
India had to be destroyed.

Eeeek, Gandhi with nukes! This is getting scary...

Eeeek, Gandhi with nukes! This is getting scary...

Ghandi + Nukes = Nuclear Wasteland:nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke:

India must burn! :ar15:

Careful of nukes. (But AI usually don't use) Attack at will!

While his carefully laid plans unravelled in the east Tupacatha was determined to secure his western flank as quickly as possible. To this end even damaged armoured companies in Babylon were deployed into battle. They drove on to the city of Uruk where after heavy artillery bombardment it took just a handful of tanks to destroy the city.

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Further north the tanks operating from Silk Springs were able reach the outskirts of the city of Ashur, the last remaining city of Babylon. Hammurabi sat and watched crestfallen as wave after wave of bombers levelled the city. Although he never saw the tanks roll into the city, the cyanide had already taken effect.

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Tupacatha's troops on the new Indian front were suprised to find an unprotected Indian general, without an army to protect him the fool was easily killed by Iroquois cavalry. He would never lead an army to battle against the Iroquois.
Indian agents in Gewauga launched a propoganda campaign against the citizens there and although some of the weaker willed citizens were swayed by their claims of attrocity by the Tupacatha government, stories of slaves being worked to death and some simply 'dissapearing'. However those who were proud and patriotic knew this to be mere fabrication and the majority of the city remained unnaffected.
However Tupacatha was disturbed by the fact that Indian agents had infiltrated Iroquoisland. He ordered IEA23 (Iroquois External Affairs Agent 23) to find and neutralize the orchestrater of Indian Terrorism in Iroquoisland. The ever-increasing number of saboutaged facilites was worrying Tupacatha. It took IEA23 just a few weeks to find the identity of the Indian agent and to 'remove the problem.'

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Now just to prove the superiority of the Iroquois people in all departments, Tupacatha sent his agents to Delhi.

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Perhaps the fact that India could build Mechanised Infantry should have worried Tupacatha, but it did not. For Rome and Greece had signed a military alliance against India and as Rome and Iroquoisland controlled all of the worlds rubber, Tupacatha knew that India could not build Mechanised Infantry, nor upgrade existing Infantry.
Tupacatha had succeeded in stabilising the Eastern front with India thanks in no small part to the work of Chief Takeo who had lead numerous counterattacks against Indian invaders. Finally with the forces arriving from Babylon and tanks fresh off the production line the Iroquois forces were able to strike back at the Indians on the continent. Starting with the old English capital of London.

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Further south at Chittagong Iroquois tanks struck hard. One of the tank commanders had worked in Wall street however when India had declared war he had left his boring desk job to fight for his country. It was that sort of attitude that saw him make a name for himself at the battle of Chittagong, there is nothing stronger than the heart of a volunteer. Tupacatha recognised him by proclaiming him General 'Tracker of the Stocks' and put him in charge of a new area of research. The SETI Program (Search for Extra-Terrestrial-Intelligence).

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As there had been close to 50 Tanks marshalled for the attack on Chittagong there were numerous available to push south to Calixtlahuaca, the old Aztec city. Despite Tupacatha's affinty to for the Aztecs he had no desire to ask his people to populate a city of a deceased race. He didnt even need to give orders to his troops, they knew what to do.

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The rest of the tanks were able to move north toward York. The ancient English city was the home of the Great Wall, a curious defensive structure with little practical use. The Iroquois, like all the othe people of the world, knew how to bypass the wall and it had not been a practical defensive structure for more than eight centuries. The Iroquois forces blasted the wall, and the city, to pieces during the assault.

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Tupacatha's people were so proud of their leader that they offered to complete his palace for him.

Behold, the house that Tupacatha('s people) built!

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Tupacatha was most pleased with the statues that his people added, depicting the great Tupac Leaders of the past.

Tupacatha saw that the battle on his home continent was under control. Yet he rememberd clearly his instructions from King Tupac
'If the AI razes one of your cities you must eliminate that city (no time frame, but if the civ is still in existence at the conclusion of the game you lose regardless of other VC's).'

Tupacatha knew he had no way of transporting his troops to India to deliver his revenge. That would be rectified soon. He was also intruiged to test the capabilities of these 'ICBMs' that he had heard so much about...

Uhoh... seems like a nuclear showdown is imminent....

Did you just start building libs/unis in the last 20 turns or so? Looks like you're doing some kind of last-minute science run.

I don't know about the nuclear showdown, I've never used nukes before, nor had them used on me. As for the science, yes I did but thats because prior to that I was trying to get banks to fund steals and if not building banks cities were building cavalry. Then I mobilised so I couldn't build them and prior to the Indian DoW I was simply planning a huge infra push before mobilising again and going for dom victory. Of course now that India HAS to die its forced another rethink. This game has been great so far in that because I haven't had any control at all of the wars really I've had to roll with the punches rather than dictate things. Its been heaps of fun so far and I'm lookign forward to an interesting finish.

Woot, I forgot about that condition -- now India has to be scoured from the map. This should be good!

It might be worth taking a look at Basketcase's First Deity Game (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=116937). That one ended with nukes flying everywhere. Could be where this one is going too. :evil:

Great job, tupaclives! You're doing awesome with this insanely tough varient! :hatsoff:

Those of you rooting for nuclear war got your wish.

I loaded the save, went into the interturn... and... well... they say a picture says a thousand words...

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When they first launched I figured my speakers were breaking or something... I've never seen nukes in a game before, its not pretty. :(

Luckily I've already disconnected India's Uranium.
Now who was the wiseguy who told me the AI never use nukes??

Oh well, Tupacatha shall endure. And he shall have revenge.

Oh yes, he will have revenge for this...


EDIT: AGH!!!!! IT even changes the terrain around the cities!! Salamanca... my beautiful, beautiful Micromanaged Salamanca... :cry: :cry: :cry: You were so young... I spent freakin ages getting its shields and food perfect!
Now Tupacatha is PISSED!!!! [pissed]

Ghandi + Nukes = Nuclear Wasteland:nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke:

Hate to say i told you so.;)

At least you still have some productive cities that haven't been nuked. I wouldn't bother nuking India, declare war with someone else, such as Greece to finish them off.

@azzaman33: Yes, yes you were right :(

@Stocktracker: I have to destroy India as part of the variant rules (because they destroyed some of my cities) so I'm goign to let Greece and Zululand live because I suspect that once I take them out and grab the land I'll hit the dom limit so India has to go NOW

I've played abotu 8 turns on and for anyone who missed out on having a general named after you I'm sorry, I'm only naming one more... Lets just say that Tupacatha wants to make his revenge on Gandhi personal...

I said AI dont use nukes usually.

I said AI dont use nukes usually.
On deity they do, friend. On chieftain, they do not, (If the game even goes that long)

We must mourn this terrible atrocity. :sad:

About the general thing - I bet it's me. :D

Ouch, that hurts!

I agree, the terrain change is really annoying. Although most of the land around Salamanca should be flood plain by now, you can compensate for that with more mines. Desert is what really sucks.

I hate when you ahve a starting position around a huge desert. :ack:

was my army nuked? plz god no!

Ah, Ghandi with nukes. Recklessly launching them at random people. This calls for...

NUCLEAR SMACKDOWN! :D

How were you able to get a picture of a nuclear explosian?
I've tried before and couldn't do it.

:aargh: Nothing worse than Ghandi in the Modern Age, even in Chieftain, Ghandi managed to launch a nuke at me. And he was OCC'ing.

Well, hope you beat up Ghandi good!:devil:

Surprise their defenders, the harsh way!http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/smilies/doomsol.gif

:evil:

Not only did the Indian nukes make Salamanca a desert, but ... I hope this isn't true, but I suspect that it is ... I'm wondering if it didn't destroy production on SETI as well. :aargh:

Well, if I know the Tupac clan, the revenge on Gandhi will be terrible and it will be complete. By the rules of the varient, Tupacatha can't pull in Rome and Greece as allies, but Gandhi's war crimes will make it very unlikely that he'll ever convince them to be his allies either. This should make things easier. I'm wondering what the results would be if Tupacatha allowed a UN vote now. :hmm:

Doesn't matter. Revenge! REVENGE! :ar15:

@SimpleMonkey: SETI was leader rushed, I don't think a nuke can stop that :)

@Sima I just noticed that Salamanca got nuked right after it leader-rushed SETI, and the next turn it was working on a marketplace. I kinda remember that nukes destroy city improvements. I was just curious about whether they also destroy the project in que. Regardless, :nuke: = :evil: (Well, at least when the AI uses them.)

The Winter of our Discontent

Tupacatha once again assumed the throne of Iroquoisland. His power on his own continent was uncontested and he was in preparation for a might invasion of India. He was unstoppable.
But Gandhi had only ever once been defeated before, and that had been by Tupacatha. Gandhi was proud and was determined that his island fortress would never be taken.
And so he broke every imaginable law on human rights.
He broke every existing arms treaty in the world.
He brought the wrath of an entire world against him.

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He used Nuclear Weapons.

Tupacatha had been at Castle Tupacatha when Salamanca was hit and so he himself was not hurt but he wept enough tears to fill the oceans of the world. He cried for his cities.
He cried for his people.
He cried in anger.

Now there was nothing that could be done, Tupacatha was filled with righteous fury. India would die, he would make sure of that himself.
Before the nuclear strike on Salamanca the city had, under the direction of General Tracker of the Stocks, completed work on an extra-terrestrial program to search for alien life. It seemed rather pointless now.

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Tupacatha's immediate reaction to the attack was to attack the last Indian city on his continent, the former English city of Hastings.

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But Gandhi had not finished. His nuclear weapons rained fire and death upon even cities that mattered not to the Iroquois.

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Tupacatha however had his own nuclear arsenal and he now had no qualms about launching nuclear strikes at targets in India.

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He then landed the first of 4 Task forces into India. This one, the first, was lead by none other than Tupacatha himself. Donning the traditional battle gear of the Iroquois Kings he rode into battle atop the finest tank in his entire army. Beautifully crafted, the armour shaped artisticly and decorated with gold lapel and the insignia of Tupacatha.

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He lead the charge on Hyderbad in person, although he delegated the attack on Bengal to General Mad Like Viking Suit Maker.

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The cities were burned to the ground and Tupacatha rounded all of the slaves together, and executed everyone of them and left the bodies on the now desolate wasteland that surrounded the former cities. He would not even dignify them with a mass grave, rather he left their broken bodies in the dust for the scavengers to have their fill.
Tupacatha had now, like Gandhi, broken every treaty imaginable, yet he did not care. He had seen the results after the strikes on Salamanca, St. Regis and Ganogeh and he no longer cared even slightly what the rest of the world thought. Gandhi had killed millions of his people in an instant. He had decided to fight a war a thousand miles away with the push of a button.

Tupacatha would find Gandhi and kill him personally.

Once the settlers arrived to settle the Battle Command Post in northern India, Tupacatha called three of his most trusted Generals.
'Mad Like Viking Suit Maker', 'Man of the Azzers' and 'Tracker of the Stocks' to him and they were told that they would personally join Tupacatha in battle. Accompanying the main task force Tupacatha and his men moved onward to Kollhapur and left nothing alive in their path.

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Tupacatha received word from his spies in Rome that Caesar had begun work on his own space ship, and had completed work on the cockpit.

The second task force of Operation Kill India With Extreme Prejudice (KIWEP) arrived on the east coast of India and after establishing a forward command post the tank forces rolled toward the city of Madras. Heavy shelling from artillery and continuous bombing raids had weakened the cities defences and Tupacatha's tanks rolled into the city.

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To the west Tupacatha and his own task force had continued to push onwards rather than waiting for repairs and reinforcement. They arrived at the city of Karachi which had been the target of relentless bombing campaings for years. The pitifully few infantry that marshalled the defences of the city were no match for Tupacatha and three of his finest generals.

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Although his forces were badly damaged and requiring both reinforcement and resupplyment, Tupacatha was determined to bring this contemptable nation to death as quickly as he possibly could so he ordered a final push by his task force before they retreated to repair and rearm.
They pushed on to Bangalore, the home of the famous Newton University. But Tupacatha had abandoned research as a general rule thousands of years ago. What did he care abotu some two-bit Indian university, or the city that surrounded it?

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And with the battle concluded and the slaves executed Tupacatha ordered his men to return to their command post and await further instructions.
Tupacatha could feel the cold power of his rage building inside. He would make Gandhi suffer...
'Soon...' he thought. 'Very soon...'

:woohoo: Destroy them Indians!

The Indian Summer Comes to a Close

Tupacatha's 3rd Taskforce of Operation KIWEP arrived on the south eastern tip of India at Calcutta. The force of 15 tanks and one mechanised Infantry was able to easily defeat the garrison the city. As per their instructions the city was razed, however the commander of Task Force 3 did not follow the instructions to execute all prisoners, instead he put them to work in the spice mines to send the luxury item home to Iroquoisland.

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Task Force 2 pushed west from the ruins of Calcutta toward Delhi.
The city had been on the receiving end of 2 of Tupacatha's precious ICBM's and the defences of the city comprised a single rifle company and four conscript rifles.

If Tupacatha had been there he would have laughed at the patheticness of it.
Task Force 2 had received explicit instructions that Delhi was to be destroyed utterly and any prisoner captured was to be taken to Tupacatha.
In the city Task Force 2 found the partially completed Indian Space Ship and, as per their instructions, they destroyed it.

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Unfortunately Gandhi escaped to the south and so Tupacatha's revenge would have to wait further still.

Task Force 3 were hit by a series of Indian Cruise missiles and were heavily bombarded by the Indian Navy, nonethless they limped forward to Jaipur and the city was destroyed.

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The commander of the Task Force ordered the prisoners start work clearing up the pollution left by Tupacatha's nuclear strikes.

Speaking of Tupacatha, his own task force had been repaired and rearmed and so pushed further south down the west coast to Bombay, home of the workshop of the famous inventor Leonardo, but Tupacatha was still filled with rage and although Leonardo was not Indian, the fact that he had aligned himself with Gandhi meant his life was forfeit too.

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Tupacatha now had Gandhi cornered in his final city. The city of Lahore.
This time there would be no escape.

Tupacatha began preparations for his invasion by giving a call to General Mirc-ee Like River Water, commander of Iroquois Nuclear Operations.

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And then the order was given, the combined 3 Task Forces hit the city with fury.
Tupacatha was the first into the breach.

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Once in the city Tupacatha scoured the area for any sign of Gandhi, it took him close to an hour to find Gandhi's temporary palace.
Tupacatha had left the rest of the task force to the job of dismantling the city and collecting slaves, while Tupacatha searched for Gandhi himself. Handling his traditional Iroquois bow awkwardly, it had been centuries since he had used one, he hunted his prey through the eerily silent expanses of Gandhi's palace. He thought he heard a cry from somewhere far away, but he could not be certain.
This was starting to worry Tupacatha, the silence, the darkness... he could be walking into a trap...
His pace quickened as he hurried from room to room searching quickly. Night was falling and even the thin light from the sun that penetrated the nuclear induced fog were starting to fade. The ICBM strikes had also knocked out electricity to the city and Tupacatha knew he would have no chance of finding Gandhi n total darkness. He picked up his handheld radio and ordered General Mad Like Viking Suit Maker to send up flares every 30 seconds to provide some illumination.
He prowled the corridors of the palace and finally, mercifully, after nearly 4 hours of searching he came to a large gallery. Flaming torches illuminated the room, which was just as well for there were no windows.
Inside the galley sat Gandhi, his wrinkled face looked amazingly tired yet the frail old man lifted himself from his seat and approached Tupacatha.
Tupacatha glared at him, this was a mismatch of collosal proportions, on the one had there was Gandhi, frail, weak, old and wrinkled like a prune. And on the other Tupacatha who was muscular and compact like corn beef.
Gandhi opened his mouth to speak but Tupacatha cut him off.
"It is too late for words Gandhi,' Tupacatha said coldly. "You monster Gandhi... millions dead for your arrogance... you cost your nation its very existence!'
Tupacatha spat at Gandhi's feet.
Gandhi remained calm. 'Tupacatha, you speak of monstrosities yet I have seen first hand that you have no qualms about nuclear weapons yourself. You have no qualms about destroying thousand year old cities on a whim. You have no qualms abotu who you kill, be they man or woman. Child or Adult. You disgust me Tupacatha, you speak of arrogance yet you are the worst! You're arrogant, xenophobic attitude brought about the strikes upon your cities. It was payment for your horrific actions of the past. And if it takes my life to deliver you but a fraction of the pain you have inflicted on others than I will gladly die, and all of India feels the same.'
Tupacatha was shaking... how could this joke of a man dare to lecture him about morality?
'You see Tupacatha you are the biggest hypocrite of all, the most pompous, arrogant...'

Gandhi never finished that sentence, Tupacatha grabbed him around the throat with his vice-like grip. As he lifted Gandhi off the ground he drew his wickedly curved knife and held it to Gandhi's throat.
'Gandhi...' hissed Tupacatha with a voice that could chill steel, '... even hell will be too good for you...'

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:rockon::rockon:

they had it coming :nuke:

:worship: Tupacatha! Tupacatha! :worship:

Revenge has been taken.

EDIT: And WOW! was that revenge ever sweet! Absolutely the best tale of the Tupac clan yet. A map, please, so we may see the complete absence of vile Indian grey?

:woohoo:

Ghandi got owned!:)

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: Ghandi you deserved everything you got.

A map, please, so we may see the complete absence of vile Indian grey?

Ask and ye shall receive :)

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I have 11 settlers on the island but Greece has foolishly built a city in India. Oh no you don't Alex. That was a mistake. Tupacatha is on the island and Greece and him dont exactly have a symbiotic relationship... :mischief:

The Fall of Olympus

Tupacatha had watched as the Greek settlers had arrived in force in the desolate lands of India. When the whole world has been occupied even this wasteland is appealing to some.
Nonetheless Tupacatha was charging toward his goal of world domination and if he wanted to avoid war with Rome (the only potential challenger left) then he would need all the lands of India, Greece and Zululand.

So Tupacatha could not allow Greek settlers to occupy India. Nor anywhere else.

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On the east coast of the Old World the Greeks had built a settlement known as New Athens, Tupacatha knew it was lightly defended and so sent a single tank to deal with the city.

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Over in India the Greek's only settlement was New Sparta, although the third time a city named Sparta had existed it seemed that, it was not to be a case of 'third time lucky'.

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Tenotchtitlan, the ancient capital of the Aztecs had, in the absence of any more suitable cities, become the new capital of Greece as well. Tupacatha sent the bulk of his 103 tanks in the Old World there.

It really was overkill.

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This same force therefore was able to push southward toward the last true Greek city Mycenae. The defenders of this particular city state seemed remarkably well trained. Though they were equipped like the defenders everywhere else in Greece they succeeded in destroyin 7 tanks before they were finally defeated.

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General Fascist Like Republicans lead a small task force north to the old English city of Newcastle. There he met in battle the first and only Greek General. He commanded an army of 2 vet longbows and an Elite* Infantry.
Why Tupacatha's opponents were so stupid and predictable, he would never know. It was almost as if they were programmed... :hmm:

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After Newcastle General Fascist Like Republicans moved toward the tiny old Aztec town of Teoutihuacan. The city, suprisingly, was protected by but a single conscript rifleman, and the General, with his centuries of combat experience and natural fighting prowess, easily dispatched this pitiful attempt at defence.

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The main body of tanks pushed on from Mycenae to Oxford where Alex had now retreated to. The tanks pushed effortless into the city and Alex's feeble guards were dispatched with embarrasing ease.

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Alex now, like Gandhi before him, backed himself into a corner in the small city of Xochicalco.
Tupacatha was still commanding the cleanup operations in India and so couldnt make the trip to deal with Alex personally but instead sent Fascist Like Republicans to 'handle it'.

Tupacatha never found out in what circumstancs Fascist Like Republicans found and killed Alex, but after seeing the corpse... he didn't really want to know.

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And so with that Tupacatha had eliminated his ancient enemy once and for all.

However his advisors informed him that even with all the unclaimed tiles in Iroquois control it still would not be enough to dominate the world. That was not to mention the fact that Iroquoisland only had the 2nd highest population in the world. That meant one thing...

...Shaka should be very, very afraid...

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I give Shaka at best three turns of survival. :devil:

Uh, does anybody else ... Rome, perhaps ... happen to also have nukes? Just wondering.

I'm going away for my holiday tomorrow morning so I won't have time to post any more updates till I get back (on the 18th) so you'll all have to sit and wait in suspense till then ;)

Will Tupacatha at last prove triumphant?

Or is there one last twist waiting at the end for this tired old warrior?

Nice set of turns. The push against Babylon is going very well. Would love to see you able to take out India after you finish your continent.!

:confused: :confused:

I've been reading this for a couple days. Just lurking until now. Personally I think you should kick some Roman @$$. Great story!

Tupacatha never found out in what circumstancs Fascist Like Republicans found and killed Alex, but after seeing the corpse... he didn't really want to know.

You are right, you dont want to know.:devil:

Nice set of turns. The push against Babylon is going very well. Would love to see you able to take out India after you finish your continent.!

ey? Looks like you might have missed an update or two :crazyeye:

You are right, you dont want to know. Well, pictures of it prolly wouldn't be allowed on this board either. Especially if you've picked up any lessons in courtesy from the Gen'Shar.

BTW, laugh out line of this thread has to be:
Tupacatha, who was muscular and compact like corn beef :lol:

Nice set of turns. The push against Babylon is going very well. Would love to see you able to take out India after you finish your continent.!
He alredy took out India and I don't believe Babylon is in this game...;)

He alredy took out India and I don't believe Babylon is in this game...;)

Well, Babylon was in this game ... :devil:

Can't wait for the thrilling conclusion. Enjoy your holidays, tupaclives!

You are right, you dont want to know.:devil:

For anyone cuirios, I will pm them.:)

Well, Babylon was in this game ... :devil:

Can't wait for the thrilling conclusion. Enjoy your holidays, tupaclives!
Well I should have said "no longer" in this game. :D

For anyone curious, I will PM them
Curious. :dubious:

I haven't posted in this forum for a long time, now I'm back.
Wonderful updates!!!

A long awaited revenge

Tupacatha was meant to be taking a well-deserved break after his exploits in India and Greece, however due to a mistake in the dates for his flights he had some time in which he could handle the running of his empire.

Thousands of years earlier Shaka, of the Zulu, had demanded, bullied, threatened and finally declared war upon the Iroquois. The Iroquois had won that war. They had beaten back the Zulu hoards, burnt their colonies and expanded the power of Iroquoisland.
But despite the fact that the Iroquois had won, Shaka had not accepted his shame. He had then sided with Caesar in war against the Iroquois and once again, Tupacatha had beaten him.
Though it had been the Zulu who lost Tupacatha remembered Shaka's treachery. He remembered being threatened, he remembered everything.
Tupacatha did not forget, nor did he forgive and Shaka was yet to pay his dues.

Tupacatha sent his envoys to Zululand with the simple message.

Shaka, your time has come.

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Tupacatha wasted no time, one of his advisors had challenged him to destroy the Zulu within 6 turns and Tupacatha had never been one to back away from a challenge.

He had carefully positioned his troops along the railways in order to strike immedietly.

TURN 1

The Iroquois armoured companies rolled along the western Greek railways to the Tugela Jungles. The city currently bearing the name of Tugela was in fact the third city to bear the name, the previous two having been destroyed by the Iroquois. As Tupacatha's tanks drove effortlessly into the city eliminating all opposition Tupacatha made sure that this city enjoyed the same fate as its sisters.

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Using the roads from Tugela, Iroquois tanks and mechanised Infantry divisions were able to push onwards toward Isandhlwana, one of the oldest Iroquois cities. The defences there were riflemen, for though Zululand were a modern civilization they had never had access to any source of rubber in their history. Now it was to prove their undoing.

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TURN 2

A strong force of Iroquois tanks had arrived at Mpondo, capital of the western Zulu provinces. Mpondo was in fact the largest Zulu city and was well defended by nearly a dozen Riflemen. However after a heavy bombing campaign by the Iroquois National Air Force (INAR) the City had been heavily reduced in population and in defensive numbers. So much so that the Iroquois enjoyed their first casualty free assault for some time.

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Pushing from New Caughnwaga, Iroquois forces had reached Ulundi, the most famous city in Zululand. Ulundi was home to the Sistine's Chappel, a beautiful work of art and architecture. However Tupacatha had spent so long scrapping for the most basic of tools and equipment and land that he had no time for art, he had no time for frivolity. If it could not help his people Tupacatha wanted nothing to do with it, and what good would a work of art do his people in this time of war? The Zulu must have spent so much time, energy, money on this, sacrificing lives for the pleasure of Shaka and the noble Zulu elite...
Tupacatha was disgusted with their wastefullness.

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In the far east the Iroquois under the command of General Fascist Like Republicans had reached Bapedi and Zimbabwae. Though they were not yet able to hit Zimbabwae directly, the city of Bapedi was not so lucky.
Nor was it deserving of a place in the lands of the Iroquois.

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TURN 3

The forces in Western Zululand were at last able to reach the north-western tip of the country, at the fortress of Intombe. For 6 days a steady stream of Iroquois tanks had hit the city, only for each to be mysteriously defeated. The soldiers whispered of a powerful Zulu magician who gave the warriors inhuman strength and power to defeat their foes. Tupacatha heard word of this and accompanied by Chief Takeo made his way to the site of the battles himself to rally the troops. With the father of Iroquoisland, and one of his favourite champions, in their midst the soldiers could not fail and finally the fortress was taken. Although the city was destroyed in the fighting, no trace of any 'magician' was ever found. Tupacatha remained convinced it was merely an unusual streak of bad luck on his people's part.

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Survivors from the battle of Bapedi, along with reinforcements from native Iroquoisland, made the push in the east onward to Zimbabwae were Shaka had been cornered. Following two succesful charges by General Fascist Like Republican and his men the city of Zimbabwae, capital of Zululand, was finally destroyed. The Zulu people mourned with unmatched sorrow. Yet, to the Iroquois, it was just another victory in a golden history glittering with success.

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TURN 4

Reinforced by dozens of fresh tanks, the forces under the command of Fascist Like Republican met with the forces of Tupacatha and Chief Takeo for a final push at the Zulu in the Old World. It was nearly four week before these forces finally reached Hlobane but once they came withing five miles of the city they could see the unmistakeable sight of the Great Lighthouse.
Built in ancient times this impressive structure had been a symbol of the Zulu's naval supremacy right up until the era of Frigates, when Rome became the world's premiere maritime power.
Of course none of this history mattered to Tupacatha, he did not care who was the great power of the oceans two thousand years ago. He only cared that now it was the Iroquois who were the great power of the land, sky and seas.
No history could save this city from the fate of its bretheren.

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TURN 6

It took another turn before the last of the Zulu forces to be recalled from India were able to land on Northpoint Isle, home of the last Zulu city, now to be the final resting place of Shaka, the city of Ulundi. It was a small force of just four tanks who were sent to deal with the pitiful defences of the city and it was over embarrasingly quickly.

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Shaka's corpse was not found. Tupacatha did not know what became of him, in some ways he was dissapointed that he could never personally exact his revenge. Yet at the same time he was satisfied because he knew that if Shaka were alive, then seeing the total destruction of his power, his empire and his people was a far more terrible fate than any that Tupacatha could have devised.

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Tupacatha was now ready, with all of Zululand, Greece, and India now settled by Iroquois people, to claim a domination victory.
He called his advisor Keeper of Stats Like Map (henceforth called KSM) and asked how much more land needed to be claimed for victory.

'Your godliness we have 72 tiles more than are required for domination victory, but...'

'Excellent!' declared Tupacatha. 'Hit end turn and let us feel the glories of a world ruled by the Iroquois!'

And so it was done... but when the interturn was over Tupacatha said.
'Ahhh... Keeper of Stats Like Map... why are we still here?'
'Thats what I was trying to tell you your magnificentness' answered KSM. 'We need 66% of the worlds land and 66% of the worlds population under our control.'
'So whats the problem?'
'Well uh... you see your masterfullness, we have less than half of the worlds population under our control...'

Tupacatha was stunned.

'Oh...' was all he could manage.

'Well in that case, there is only one thing left to do!'

So Tupacatha called his old and trusted friend, Mirc-ee Like River Water, who had also recently returned, and asked for a list of all of Iroquoisland's nuclear arms...

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And with that Tupacatha sent his finest agent to infiltrate the secret military headquarters of Caeser, and though he was Killed in Action, the mission was a success. Now Tupacatha could pinpoint the location of all of Rome's nuclear arsenal.

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Tupacatha now knew how to achieve his domination victory.

He called together his generals and loaded all of his tanks, mechanised Infantry and bombers on the mainland onto transports or carriers and positioned them in the channel between Rome and Native Iroquoisland, ready for a landing.
Then he entered his office. Opened the third drawer of his desk and pressed the little red button inside...
Caesar never knew what hit him....

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With more than half of the Roman military destroyed in one fell blow Tupacatha ordered all of his troops to land at strategic point on the Roman continent while a force of marines struck Northpoint Isle and the garrison forces of India attacked the Roman beachhead.

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But now Tupacatha had to feel the wrath of an enraged Caesar.
An enraged Caesar who still possessed 4 ICBMs.

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Of course after the 2nd two strikes Tupacatha knew that the Roman ICBM guidance systems were clearly cocked up, and he was more than thankful for that.

What he was more thankful for was the news he received at the beginning of the next turn.
He had won.

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Tupacatha however could only think of the past

When you get what you want in your struggle for self,
And the world makes you King for a day,
Just go to the mirror and look at yourself,
And see what that man has to say.

For it is not your father or mother or wife
Whose judgment upon you must pass.
The fellow whose verdict counts most in your life
Is the one staring back in the glass.

Some people might think you are
straight shootin' and cool and
call you a wonderful guy,
But the man in the glass says you're only a fool,
If you can't look him straight in the eye.

He's the fellow to please, never mind all the rest,
For he's with you straight up to the end.
And you have passed your most dangerous, difficult test
If the man in the glass is your friend

You may fool the whole world down the pathway of
years, and get pats on the back as you pass.
But your final reward will be heartaches and tears
If you have cheated the man in the glass.


When Tupacatha looked at the glass he saw only memories.

Tupacatha remembered the thirty-seven hundred years of his reign, he remembered the lives of tens of millions of people, he remembered the blood, sweat and tears of his entire race.
And he remembered his men who gave themselves selflessly in the defence of their nation in the early days when victory had not seemed possible. He remembered the heroes who were born in the fires and bloodshed of the wars that had followed, whose names and deeds could not be forgotten.
But most of all he remembered those who had returned to their families and simply been the forgotten old warriors, from forgotten old wars, and more so: those who had not come home... and he wept.

There is no greater tragedy of war than to see fathers bury their sons


THE END

Tupacatha again found himself at the Grand Council of Tupac's surrounded by the rest of the clan. He received much congratulation from his siblings, in particular Tupacius who was most impressed with the final victory. However King Tupac looked grave in his throne.

Tupacatha stumbled toward him and bowed low to King Tupac.

'So Chief Sings with Tupac (Tupacatha) you think you are a big shot do you? Just because you managed a domination victory? Well I've got news for you Tupacatha, that was a poor performance at best.'

Tupacatha was stunned...

'A... poor performance sir? But all the conditions were fulfilled... I was victorious... I did not once deviate from your instruction!' cried Tupacatha.
'That's as may be Tupacatha but you did not play the role properly!'
'What ever do you mean your majesty?'
'Tupacatha was meant to be the leader of the Supreme Nationalists, supremely proud arrogant and domineering yet you did not try to stamp your authority on the world. You played it safe, keepign yourself out of harms way until you were strong enough to handle the situation, not once did you step out of your comfort zone and take a risk.'
'But your highness, the whole early game I was forced to simply try and stay alive, I couldn't afford to take risks!'
'Perhaps Tupacatha it would have meant an early end, but it could have meant a much earlier finish. Your cousin Joan d'Tupace risked a war when she had just 5 swordsmen. Furthermore you did not make the most of the cilization you control. One would have expected you to make full use of the expansionist trait on a pangea world in order to acquire contacts and pop goody huts, or to use your religious trait to build a powerful culture for your people to be proud of, but you did not.'
'Your highness if I may be so bold, these are minor points. They could have made for a superior game, and yes there is still room for improvement on my part but, your majesty, that simply means that I have something to aim for. Please, your higness, do you not think I have performed well enough?'

King Tupac looked thoughtful.

'We shall review the works of our statisticians.'


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'These demographics are acceptable, though they are inferior to both of your predecessors. Your low approval rating shows you were not popular even with the people you ruled, given your half priced temples and cathederals that is not an acceptable situation Tupacatha. Furthermore, 62tons of pollution? The world I gave you was not meant to be destroyed, merely ruled. This dissapoints me. Your manufactured goods amount to less than 1000 megatons a year, that is a poor effort. The rest of your demographics are acceptable I suppose.'

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'You think you are worthy of my praise Tupacatha? Look at your score! You have not even acquired a high enough score to reach the hall of fame! I am gravely, gravely dissapointed in you Tupacatha. Given the time you spent you should have made a much more impressive score.'

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'Hmmm, Sid was impressed, however that does not sway me. All of your siblings achieved that as well.'

King Tupac turned to the council.

'What do you think my children?'

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'Tupacarabi, not only was your people defeated, you are also illiterate, shut up!' yelled Tupacatha.

'No Tupacatha, it is you who should be careful about what you speak. Tupacarabi believes you were lucky, and with good reason, you had access to 3 native luxuries without war. Had that not been available to you, you would have been unable to achieve what you did.'

'Lucky!?' yelled Tupacatha. 'Lucky!? I had no iron for four thousand years!'

'Yes, but you had access to horses' replied King Tupac calmly. 'Had it been another that could have been a problem, but you did not need iron. Your Iroquois mounted warriors filled their role.'
'I will leave it to those who have watched your progress to decide the verdict Tupacatha. Let those who have watched, decide how favour shall fall to you.
Was it a great victory? Or merely a lucky break? That is for Tupublic to decide...'

:woohoo: WOOHOO!!!!!
Great!!!!
Of course it was a great victory.

Awesome victory and a great game, although you have to admit that nuking Rome just to knock down their pop for a domination win was pretty cold-blooded. :evil:

I think King Tupac is being too harsh. Score isn't everything. Struggle and a great story matter more, and Chief Tupacatha had plenty of both. :hatsoff:

Okay, so who's gonna come up with another varient to challenge to Tupac Clan?

:woohoo:

:clap: Mazel tov!

Thanks for the feedback guys, though I'll wait for more before King Tupac makes his final decision on the placement in his entourage of Tupacatha.
I'd like to make a big shout out to SimpleMonkey for this fantastic variant it was a real challenge and a lot of fun to play, although my opinion on the nuking of Rome was that it was pretty ingenous ;) (until this game I had never seen nukes and so had no idea about their capabilities)
As for the next challenge I've had a few PM's with suggestions ranging from Tactless DAW, 5CC Deity, 5CC AWE, OCC AWE, 5CC-No-military-Deity, as it is I am goign to wait till I get back from holidays before starting any new games but everyone feel free to post your ideas here and when I get back I'll see what has the most support and thats what I'll go with.

5CC until 1900, when it becomes an AW game. Deity of course.

I don't care what King Tupac says, this was an awesome game and story!

Victory! Victroy!

Alex has an eyepatch where i stuck my sword through his head!

Great game! Congrats on the win!!:goodjob: :clap:


By the way, how were you able to get screenshots of the nuclear mushrooms?
I tried and was not able to do it. All I would get in my shot was all the orange pollution that pops up afterwards.

5CC Deity, AW once you have your five cities.:D

Excellent story!!!

Great win and excellant story!

By the way, how were you able to get screenshots of the nuclear mushrooms?


Its probably only possible on a mac (boo ya! the macs prove good for something :D) because to take a screenshot on a mac all you do is hit applecommand+ctrl+3 and it takes a screenshot and this can be done at any time. So when the mushroom cloud is appearing I just hit applecommand+ctrl+3 and it takes the screenie.

And what is it with every1 so far and 5CC DAW? Are you guys kerazy? :crazyeye:

And what is it with every1 so far and 5CC DAW? Are you guys kerazy?

My idea wasnt 5CC DAW, it was 5CC until 1900, when you turn it into always war and lose the 5 city restriction.

I dont care about the number of citys. However, for a challange, I think you should disable conquest and domination next time. The Tupacs are going peacefull baby!

I say for a REAL challenge, you should try to do what Captain Buttkick did.... On Monarch or Emperor (no military domination). :evil:

I dont believe that is in fact possible. Charis (the original RBE player along with Sirian) won a no-military game on emperor but that was diplomatic not domination.
If the legendary Charis couldnt win a no-military domination on emperor then I'm not even going to bother attempting it.

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King Tupac made his decision.
'Tupacatha, the Tupublic has judged you well and your exploits did impress me despite your mistakes, so therefore I shall have you as my left hand and the voice of patriotism within the clan.'
'Thank you, your highness,' answered Tupacatha bowing low. 'I am most grateful.'

King Tupac surveyed the rest of his clan and spoke.
'My children go now, and return tomorrow. For tomorrow I shall announce our clan's next task. Rest well, you will need it.'

The task has been decided! The challenge accepted! Read all about it in

Tupac's Tales 4 - Montupac's Tight Squeeze (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=3910512)

You really make these stories seem like major events. You should be in marketing or television. I'll go buy me some popcorn and come back for more.