hello, for my never ending scenario i'm working on now for some time i need wonders for this particularly period, 2000 - ca. 2200.

i already have some good ideas, but i won't give you them all here, because i need some fresh ideas. i think of something like this

1. the test fusion-reactors ITER and DEMO.
2. the (manned) mission to mars.
3. the kyoto protocol.

if you have an idea feel free to post it, thank you

Maybe the Freedom Towers? The towers they are building where the WTC used to be, I mean.

Space Elevator
Cure for Cancer
Human Genome Project
Internet2
Atlantis (undersea city)
Dinosaur Park
Wormhole Detector

Civ 20 :cool: : 3 happy faces in every city.

The first game of the civ series without any bugs. And as easter egg: If you activate an historic computer in one of the Civ20 improvements, you can play an old complete Civ3game with the patched "sub-bug". :D One more happy face in the city with this computer.

Asteroid Mining Colony
ET Contact

This one comes from my mod --> "Ares Prime Colony" :D It is obvious what it is. :)

Gene therapy

Bio-philosophical analysis of the brain's functions

level of consciousness virtual reality (using the mind's own abilities to have 'psychotic episodes' and putting it to use to send you living in an imaginary world.

Holodeck! (I want one!)

http://www.well.com/user/sjroby/lcars/images/games/holodeck.jpg

That is Arwin von Muller-Stahl :)

I have seen most of that film, which i didnt entirely like. But he is one of my favourite actors ;)

edit: wow, i was 100% wrong!
That is Jean-Luke Piccard.
Still he looked like Arwin and he was wearing the same clothes as he did in that film with the mental-trip machine :)

Sorry, but this is Jean-Luc Picard (Patrick Steward).

thanks so far ... happy birthday varwnos .. are you interested in philosophy? already added a wonder named "theory of mind" ;) are there any wonders you can think of which i can assign the religious or agricultural trait?

Hi jatibi :)

I have a degree in philosophy ;)

Agricultural could be some major hydroponics i guess, and religious a sort of SMAC-type planetary awareness post-modern animism :hmm:

Religious stuff: :)
-Pyramid of Zion- :D
-Children of Gaia (or Temple of Gaia)- from SMAC
-New Jerusalem (or House of God)- Make 50 citizens in the city happy
-Fortress of Jericho- This would be nice for militaristic&religious civs
-Heritage of our Forefathers (i couldn't think of smthing else that could encompas all traditionalists)
-The unseen(/all seeing) eye-

longevity...thats what i think of
asteroid mining (small wonder)
and btw I would Internet2 call Internet 2.0 ;)

Solution to World Hunger?

Can't think of any good effects though, but I think it fits.

Advanced Food Replication for your solution to World Hunger mmmrrrr. Maybe +x number food per city.

Singularity
Skynet
Soylent Green Production Facility
The United League of Nations (Mk III or even Mk IV)
Verne's Moon Gun
Statue of Victory

thx everyone. very helpful. explorations of space seems to be very dominant, but i'd like to "stay on the ground" ;) with all these expectations for the next 2 centuries

@simon_darkshade what do you mean by the "statue of victory" ?

@samez: it's actually called internet2 http://www.internet2.edu/

Apotheosis of Sid

The Human Genome Project
The Superconductnig Supercollider (which was never actually built)

SH 130 which has been in planning over 30 yrs.
Satellite TV
Fall of Saddam
Berlin Plus
ICI
Rebuilt New Orelans
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BTW Kyoto Protocals a wonder? :lol: then I guess anything can be.

yeah ... like the "fall of saddam" ... :hammer2:

Simon Darkshade: what do you mean by the "statue of victory" ?

A commemorative statue celebrating victory in the Long War, possibly replacing the Statue of Liberty, with all attendant implications, such as changes in priorities, allies and positions, and possibly some radioactive sand.

well, i guess if you're truely fightinng a bloody war, you won't have any production left for building a statue. i won't include that one ;)

well, i guess if you're truely fightinng a bloody war, you won't have any production left for building a statue. i won't include that one ;)
Wrong, when a war ends you make statues.

oh really ... well the ai would build it even in peacetime

DUH-UH! Dude I said AFTER ALL WAR! ITS SUPPOSED TO BE BUILT IN PEACETIME :rolleyes: To require a war make it require an VIctoruis Army and some other stuff!

no .. the ai could aquire the army in the war and start building the wonder. there's no ability to make it possible that it won't be build and completed in the middle of a war.

cool down, please

I was cool from the start; but come on Kyoto Treaty? That's not much of a "World" Wonder since the US rightly didn't sign it.

well... actually it's my mod .. and i've quite a different story to tell about the Kyoto Protocol, but it doesn't really belong here. i don't really think that any of your proposed wonders could actually be called a world wonder, perhaps an "us-american effort" but thats my point of view. nevertheless, i'm happy for any contribution.

Okay I'll explain mine:
SH 130 which has been in planning over 30 yrs.-That's local State of Texas :lol:
Satellite TV-Whole World profits; its a World Wonder
Fall of Saddam-It was a global event
Berlin Plus-NATO agreed to aid the EU in military operations by supplying EU with weapons
Istanbul Cooperation Initative (ICI)-Landmark initative aimed at deeeping Cooperation between NATO and certain Arab/Middle Eastern STates
Rebuilt New Orelans-Mainly American yes but still a wonder

I was cool from the start; but come on Kyoto Treaty? That's not much of a "World" Wonder since the US rightly didn't sign it.

:lol: Only the rest of the world.

well .. okay .. thanks for your ideas, but i will not use them .. they are to specific to translate them into wonders .. i will evenly explain why
1. if i include that highway, i will have to include every superstructure they build in china the next 30 years.
2. satellite tv - exists by now. it isn't a wonder for 2000 - 2200.
3. fall of saddam - it's just the deletion of the iraqi civ with 3 cities on the map. no wonder.
4. that's diplomatic action. technology trade or right of passage something like that.
5. the same as 4.
6. to specific. there are no floodwaves in civ, and new orleans isn't the only city which was decimated by a natural disaster. place a settler, and build a city, call it "New New Orleans".

that's why i won't include it.

which are in right now are:
1. ITER
2. Mission to Mars
3. Freedom Towers
4. Human Genome Project
5. Cure for Cancer
6. Cure for HIV
7. Atlantis - City on the Ground of the Ocean.
8. Space Elevator
9. Internet2
10. Martian Colony
11. Lunar Colony
12. Lunar Telescope (12a. Return to the Moon ?)
13. Theory of Mind
14. ESP Center
15. Transcontinental Tunnel
16. The 1st Arcology
17. Three Gorges Dam
18. Kyoto Protocol

One note; Berlin Plus and ICI isn't quite...anyways its your mod...I guess you'll have Kyoto Protocol and not ICI and Berlin Plus.

Good choice, I like them. :)

How about the treaty on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons (NPT) ?

That's like 1970s.

explanation: the kyoto protocol will be accompanied by small wonders, which reduce pollution, but with a malus. that civ, that builds the great wonder, won't be affected by that malus, but will get a trade bonus.

if the mod will be finished and you are playing the US, you won't have to build it ;)

Cool! I just wish I could then build Berlin Plus, ICI or how about "Anti-Kyoto"!

@r8xft: thx, i thought about that. but i didn't came up how to solve it.
to build the nuclear weapons program, you need a resource call "nuclear industry" and "uranium". there's no way of stopping the AI trade it, or do you know a way to do that? the nuclear weapons program makes some people unhappy, i don't know any other solution.

That's like 1970s.
...but it's still relevant in the 2000s

how about this (http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,18798992%255E912,00.html) new telescope for talking to aliens? :D

...but it's still relevant in the 2000s
this is true. australia recently refused to sell uranium to india purely on the basis that they have not signed the NPT

@r8xft: thx, i thought about that. but i didn't came up how to solve it.
to build the nuclear weapons program, you need a resource call "nuclear industry" and "uranium". there's no way of stopping the AI trade it, or do you know a way to do that? the nuclear weapons program makes some people unhappy, i don't know any other solution.
You could make it only buildable under a peace loving "high war weariness" type of government; perhaps it could spawn a special worker only available with this wonder, who can clear damage at a speedier rate than the usual settler?
Also, "Diplomatic victory" springs to mind, though that's an end-game effect, so perhaps not suitable to the time period in question.

First of all - did anyone mention the International Space Station for doubling research ?
And what about Exploration of Europa ? They have been thinking of sending smthing there for ages...

I've unearthed some stuff from MOO2 and thought i should post them here also.

Automated Factories - improvement(like factory)
Spaceport- improvement(like stock exchange)
Recyclotron- improvement(like recycling plant)
Deep Core Mining- this could be a small/great wonder that gives lots of production
Artemis System Net / Planetary Force Field - makes the ppl happy because it will deflect any meteor when it comes
Nuclear Fusion Plant - probably like a nuclear plant improv but with no meltdown
Food Replicators - instead of granary maybe
Planetary Stock Exchange- wonder that gives stock exchange everywhere
Astro University- big university ? :D
Virtual Reality Network - instead of Internet 2. Because the internet seems way to close to the present. VR network sounds cooler.:)
Universal Antidote- You could put the cures to cancer and HIV in this one

I know you only wanted wonder ideas - their just a few ideas. :)

That's about it for today. I may think of others later...

thx, for your suggestions.

1. automated factory: there will be a nanofactory.
2. spaceport: i was thinking about 2020 return to the moon, 2050 - 60 they go to the mars. permanent colony on mars: around 2100 - 2150.
a spaceport seems suitable after that. the scenario will hopefully go up to 2500.
3. recyclotron: yeah, cool! some bioengineered bacteria and nanomachines as well. good idea.
4. Mining: There will be Asteroid Mining.
5. Artemis: good idea, small wonder, but around 2200 - 2250.
6. Fusion: there will be ITER, the international test reactor as wonder, fusion powerplants as improvements.
7. replicators very late.
8. stock exchange: well let's see. there will be a tech called "new economy", after all with 31 civs on the planet an numerous nukes, there'll be need for change very fast.
9. Astro University: i would say, about 2300.
10. well, i can't predict the future ;) but it won't be so fast afterall. perhaps the VRN about 2100 or so.
11. universal antidote .. that seems to me a bit like hoping to much. after all, it's the worms, viruses and microorganisms that rule the world.

Expanding on Heretic's "deep core mining" idea, in a game called Total Annihilation there is a Moho Metal extractor.

Moho is short for Mohorovivic Discontinuity. This is the boundary between a planet's crust and mantle. A Moho metal extractor will drill down approximately 10 to 50 km to find dependable metal sources and rare elements

"discovery of Xena" could be another science increasing wonder. Xena (why Xena i have no idea) is the newly discovered 10th planet of our solar system. so maybe available from 2000 onwards? i dunno

I just played a few days ago pentagenisis and I think there are some very creative wonder names... perhaps you want to watch out for yourself wich might fit in....

Thought Police: Doubles production (at least), reduces research (somewhat if possible?), shed loads of happy people / reduces war weariness.

Religious World Council: Possible diplo victory, if you're that way inclined. Greater chance of leaders?

World Internet Authority / Ownership: Gain any two techs, Low war weariness. Again, happy (stupid) people.

Clone Army: Doubles research, halves upgrade cost, rapidly auto-produces disposable units, barracks in every city, just go ahead and add on loads of military flags here but it should ultimately be inferior to some civ with superior, more specialised weaponry.

Orbital Missile Web: 75% chance of missile strikes. Research boost.

Statue of Victory was meant as a preexisting wonder; a corruption of the Statue of Liberty as a sign of new priorities. Or even a celebratory statue signifying the end of the Cold War prior to the start of the mod.

The tone of the wonders mooted thus far is all very positive, nice and futurist/progressive. It may be a thought to possibly include some other options so that players are not pigeonholed in regards to their style. Wonders along the lines of the Thought Police, but with twists. Give some benefits, but at costs - that way, there is more replayability and a certain complexity to the options available.

Verne's Moon Gun could spawn a limited reconnaisance satellite every so often allowing examination of distant areas of the map; but the propellant used causes pollution.

Kyoto could reduce pollution but have a very high cost to the economy in terms of upkeep and production.

On the flipside of Kyoto, a pollution causing wonder that creates refugees (workers/cheap labour) fleeing from swamped Pacific and Indian Ocean islands (not actually fleeing, but autoproduced with that as the explanatory story)...it could be in the interests of some players to build a large work force through raping the globe.

Likewise, the 'sacrifice' property is open to great possibilities for potential wonders...it was a version of this I was contemplating for the Soylent Green Facility.

Most of the notions thus far are either scientific or space-centric. Other areas to explore are military, industrial, economic, cultural/fun and the unique areas.

An anti-meteor project could create happiness (simulating relief that there is a way to stop potential bangs)
A third partner for Atlantis and the Tunnel - a floating city, or nuclear powered permanent aerial platform, providing bonuses with risks.
International Nuclear Waste Storage Facility - earns money...
National Filter - With a new internet and now VR on the way, that means a lot of spam...luckily, the government has a revolutionary firewall, that gives the outcome of some boosts, at a cost to knowledge (by inhibiting its free flow).
Replace a Test Ban Treaty or the like with a Doomsday Weapon...same effect, but not as rosy.

Turgidson Memorial Mineshafts: For preservation of society, leading to increased population growth thanks to breeding experiments.

THe refugees build by the anti Kyoto wonder schould not be able to clean polution cause if it would be like this there would be no big problem with the polution cause it will be immediatelly be removed by the autoproduced workers....

O.k. This is a heavy one: The Last Judgement