ConcNES, from Zen to terror and back.

Year 1999, just for the millennium the world isn’t yet struck by terrorism. The stock exchanges are still stable. Will the western world be prosperous or will it be struck by a wave of terrorism. Will the world in this NES feel the pain and incomprehension of the third world and the Islamic world or will it work together to a peaceful future.

Your part in this NES will be to write history, please think about realistic things and current relationships.

Do not post yet!

Economy: I divided the economy in a number of 1 to 100, you could say it this way:

- Shattered <1
- Barely functioning 1-5
- Mostly Functioning 5-10
- Functioning 10-15
- Severe Depression 15-20
- Depression 20-25
- Recession 25-30
- Failing 30-35
- Stable 35-40
- Normal 40-50
- Above Normal 50-60
- Growing 60-70
- Strong 70-80
- Very Strong 80-90
- Prosperous 90-100

But I will use the numbers mostly.

Industry: To keep the game fair and interesting I will look at the current situation of that country to make up what the industry number is. I will divide it from 1 to 10.

Trade, there is a possibility of trading, this will cost you 3 eco/points for both country´s (see this as an investment) and will return you if it all goes up to plan 2 ecopoints (except when they are diamonds from a war territory, like in the real life they are worth nothing, but I will decide that). Trading can be more profitable if there is a whole trading association behind it.

Mobilization: When in war you could mobilize your country, this will give you automatically 25% more divisions, but will drop your economy also down with 30% so when you have got an economy of 50 then there are 15 points lost, so you will have only 35 points (so then you have got a stable or failing economy) (yes war comes with a high prize)

Stability
Does just as it sounds, determines how stable your nation is. The higher the level, the better. If you do anything drastic to your nation, that will affect Stability, negatively. Stability can be increased, through projects, or Government change. The number in brackets determines the eco needed to be invested to get to the next level. Stories really help with increasing stability. The concept of stability also includes other things like moral, government approval rating, culture and stability itself.

Number in brackets show how many eco points are required to get that level from the previous level.

Stability types:
1. Revolutionary
2. Dangerous (3)
3. Unstable (2)
4. Normal (2)
5. Above Normal (2)
6. High (3)
7. Amazing Stability (4)

Projects/Technologies: To boost economy you may start projects, or to get UU’s you may invest in technologies. I will decide how much there goes of your economy points to invest in a new technology or project.

Culture
None-Divided (3) -Untrusting (1) -Average (2) -Strongly Cultured (2) -Devoted (2) -Patriotic (3)-Hyperpatriotic (3) -Jingoist (4) -Uberpatriot (5)

Confidence
Lynching-Hateful (3) -Resentful (1) -Barely Tolerating (2)-Tolerating (2)-Respecting (2)-Admiring (3) -Loving (4) -Nation Personified (5)

Education
None-Dumb (3) -Illiterate (1) -Tolerable (2)-Literate-Educated (2) -Well Educated (2) -Perfect (3) -Academic (4) -Enlightenment (5)

None - Mob (3) - Survivors (3) - Green (3) - Inexperienced (2) - Tolerable (2) -Trained (4) - Veterans (4)- Professional (5) -Elite (6)

The next option I didn’t mention in the preview, so we will vote for it. My idea is to make an International World bank. This bank has from the beginning on a deposit of 30 ecopoints that can be divided to other nations, in this bank all members do not have a veto right, only majority counts. (This bank is situated in Brussel, Belgium)

Army: # of C is Cruisers/
F is Frigates/
D is Destroyers

Worldmap

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/Concona/Worldmap.jpg

larger: http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/Concona/Worldmap1.jpg

Stats:


North America

Canada
Ruler: Prime Minister Paul Martin
Government: Federal government (Parliamentary Monarchy)
Capital: Ottawa
Economy: 61
Industry: 6
Stability: Above Normal
Culture: Strongly Cultured
Confidence: Tolerating
Education: Perfect
Army: 52,300 soldiers, 1000 tanks
Navy: 2 great Carriers, 1200 battleships
Air Force: 4800
Projects/Techs:
Notes:

United States of America
Ruler: President George W. Bush
Government: Federal Republic
Capital: Washington
Economy: 70
Industry: 8
Stability: High
Culture: Devoted
Confidence: Tolerating
Education: Perfect
Army: 1,427,000 soldiers, 7,620 tanks
Navy: 27C/ 30F/ 49D
Air Force:
Country warheads:10,500
Likely to use: when threat undoubtfull
Projects/Techs:
Notes:

Mexico
Ruler: Vicente Fox
Government: Federal Republic
Capital: Mexico City
Economy: 41
Industry: 5
Stability: Normal
Culture: Devoted
Confidence: Tolerating
Education: Literate educated
Army: 192,770 soldiers
Navy: 0C/ 8F/ 3D
Air Force: 700
Projects/Techs:
Notes:

South America:

Guatamala
Economy: 24
Industry: 2
Stability: unstable/normal
Army: 31,400 soldiers, 120 tanks

Belize
Economy: 18
Industry: 3
Stability: unstable/normal
Army: 1,050 soldiers, 200 tanks

El Salvador
Economy: 22
Industry: 3
Stability: unstable/normal
Army: 15,500 soldiers, 600 tanks

Honduras
Economy: 28
Industry: 2
Stability: unstable/normal
Army: 12,000 soldiers, 200 tanks

Nicaragua
Economy: 18
Industry: 2
Stability: unstable/normal
Army: 14,000 soldiers, 190 tanks

Costa Rica
Economy: 30
Industry: 3
Stability: unstable/normal
Army: none

Panama
Economy: 23
Industry: 3
Stability: unstable/normal
Army: none

Colombia
Economy: 33
Industry: 4
Stability: unstable/normal
Army: 200,000 soldiers, 800 tanks

Venezuela
Economy: 28
Industry: 3
Stability: unstable/normal
Army: none

Guyana
Economy: 14
Industry: 2
Stability: unstable
Army: 1,600 Soldiers, 100 tanks

Suriname
Economy: 15
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 1,840 Soldiers, 10 tanks

Ecuador
Economy: 25
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 2,337,944 Soldiers, 10 tanks
Peru
Economy: 43
Industry: 4
Stability: stable
Army: 59,500 soldiers

Bolivia
Economy: 20
Industry: 2
Stability: stable
Army: 31,500 soldiers

Paraguay
Economy: 22
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 18,600 soldiers

Chile
Economy: 22
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 77,300 soldiers

Argentine
Ruler: President Néstor Kirchner
Government: Democratic Republic
Capital: Buenos Aires
Economy: 42
Industry: 4
Stability: stable
Culture: Devoted
Confidence: Tolerating
Education: Literate-Educated
Army: 71,400 soldiers
Country warheads: 0
Likely to use: Could get

Uruguay
Economy: 28
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 24,000 soldiers

Brazil
Ruler: Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva
Government: Democratic federal republic
Capital: Brasília
Economy: 41
Industry: 8
Stability: High
Culture: Devoted
Confidence: Tolerating
Education: Perfect
Army: 287,600 soldiers, 178 tanks
Navy: 0C/ 14F/ 0D
Air Force: 750
Country warheads: 0
Likely to use: Could get
Projects/Techs:
Notes:

Europe:

United Kingdom
Ruler: Prime Minister Tony Blair
Government: Constitutional monarchy
Capital: London
Economy: 60
Industry: 7
Stability: High
Culture: Devoted
Confidence: Tolerating
Education: Perfect
Army: 212,660 soldiers, 543 tanks
Navy: 0C/ 20F/ 11D
Air Force: 290
Country warheads: 200
Likely to use: unlikely
Projects/Techs:
Notes:

Netherland
Ruler: Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende
Government: Constitutional monarchy
Capital: Amsterdam
Economy: 55
Industry: 5
Stability: High
Culture: Devoted
Confidence: Tolerating
Education: Perfect
Army: 53,130 soldiers, 543 tanks
Navy: 0C/ 12F/ 4D
Air Force: 213
Projects/Techs:
Notes:

Belgium
Ruler: Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt
Government: Constitutional monarchy
Capital: Brussel
Economy: 55
Industry: 5
Stability: High
Culture: Devoted
Confidence: Tolerating
Education: Perfect
Army: 40,800 soldiers, 543 tanks
Navy:
Air Force:
Projects/Techs:
Notes:

France
Ruler: President Jacques Chirac
Government: Unitary republic
Capital: Paris
Economy: 57
Industry: 7
Stability: High
Culture: Devoted
Confidence: Tolerating
Education: Perfect
Army: 259,050 soldiers, 614 tanks
Navy: 0C/ 20F/ 12D
Air Force:
Country warheads: 350
Likely to use: unlikely
Projects/Techs:
Notes:

Germany
Ruler: Chancellor Angela Merkel
Government: Unitary republic
Capital: Berlin
Economy: 57
Industry: 7
Stability: High
Culture: Devoted
Confidence: Tolerating
Education: Perfect
Army: 284,500 soldiers, 2,398 tanks
Navy: 0C/ 12F/ 1D
Air Force:
Country warheads: -
Likely to get: likely
Projects/Techs:
Notes:

Spain
Ruler: President of the government José Luis Rguez. Zapatero
Government: Parliamentary monarchy
Capital: Madrid
Economy: 52
Industry: 6
Stability: High
Culture: Devoted
Confidence: Tolerating
Education: Perfect
Army: 150,700 soldiers, 552 tanks
Navy: 0C/ 16F/ 0D
Air Force:
Projects/Techs:
Notes:

Portugal
Economy: 40
Industry: 5
Stability: stable
Army: 44,900 soldiers

Switzerland
Economy: 52
Industry: 6
Stability: stable
Army: 3,300 soldiers

Luxembourg
Economy: 36
Industry: 2
Stability: stable
Army: 900 soldiers

Italy
Ruler: President Carlo Azeglio Ciampi
Government: Republic
Capital: Rome
Economy: 57
Industry: 7
Stability: stable
Army: 200.000 soldiers, 1,183 tanks.
Navy: 01C/ 12F/ 4D
Air Force:

Austria
Economy: 52
Industry: 5
Stability: stable
Army: 34.600 soldiers

Czech Republic
Economy: 52
Industry: 4
Stability: stable
Army: 57.050 soldiers

Slovakia
Economy: 33
Industry: 2
Stability: stable
Army: 22.000 soldiers

Poland
Economy: 41
Industry: 4
Stability: stable
Army: 163.000 soldiers

Norway
Economy: 50
Industry: 6
Stability: stable
Army: 26.600 soldiers

Sweden
Economy: 50
Industry: 6
Stability: stable
Army: 27.600 soldiers

Finland
Economy: 37
Industry: 4
Stability: stable
Army: 27.000 soldiers

Estonia
Economy: 28
Industry: 2
Stability: stable
Army: 5.510 soldiers

Latvia
Economy: 29
Industry: 2
Stability: stable
Army: 4.880 soldiers

Lithuania
Economy: 31
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 12.700 soldiers

Hungary
Economy: 43
Industry: 4
Stability: stable
Army: 33.400 soldiers

Croatia
Economy: 30
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 20.800 soldiers

Bosnia and Herzegovina
Economy: 21
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 19.800 soldiers

Serbia and Montenegro
Economy: 24
Industry: 4
Stability: stable
Army: 74.200 soldiers

Romania
Economy: 21
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 79.200 soldiers

Ukraine
Economy: 32
Industry: 4
Stability: stable
Army: 295.500 soldiers, 3,784 tanks
Navy: 1C/ 12F/ 0D
Air Force:

Bulgaria
Economy: 30
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 51.000 soldiers

Macedonia
Economy: 22
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 12.850 soldiers

Greece
Ruler: President Károlos Papoúlias
Government: Hellenic Republic
Capital: Athens
Economy: 42
Industry: 5
Stability: stable
Army: 177.600 soldiers, 1,723 tanks
Navy: 0C/ 12F/ 2D
Air Force:
Culture: Devoted
Confidence: Tolerating
Education: Well Educated

Moldova
Economy: 12
Industry: 1
Stability: stable
Army: 6.910 soldiers

Cyprus
Economy: 29
Industry: 1
Stability: stable
Army: 10.000 soldiers

Russia
Ruler: President Vladimir Putin
Government: Semi-presidential federation
Capital: Moscow
Economy: 42
Industry: 7
Stability: stable
Army: 960.600 soldiers, 21,870 tanks
Navy: 7C/10F/14D
Airforce:
Country warheads: 18,000
Likely to use: unlikely, but will if there is a threat.
Culture: Devoted
Confidence: Tolerating
Education: Well Educated

Asia and Australia

Turkey
Economy: 37
Industry: 4
Stability: stable
Army: 514.850 soldiers, 4,205 tanks
Navy: 0C/ 19F/ 0D
Air Force:

Syria
Economy: 25
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 319.000 soldiers

Lebanon
Economy: 23
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 72.100 soldiers

Israel
Ruler: President Moshe Katsav
Government: Parliamentary democracy
Capital: Jerusalem
Economy: 29
Industry: 5
Stability: stable
Army: 167.600 soldiers, 3,950
Navy: 0C/ 0F/ 0D
Air Force:
Country warheads: 200
Likely to use: unlikely, but not unlikely if there is a dangerous threat
Culture: Devoted
Confidence: Tolerating
Education: Perfect

Jordan
Economy: 21
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 100.500 soldiers

Iraq
Economy: 25
Industry: 4
Stability: stable
Army: 40.000 soldiers

Kuwait
Economy: 32
Industry: 4
Stability: stable
Army: 15.500 soldiers

Qatar
Economy: 31
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 12.400 soldiers

Saudi Arabia
Ruler: King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz al-Saud
Government: Kingdom
Capital: Riyadh
Economy: 41
Industry: 5
Stability: stable
Culture: Devoted
Confidence: Tolerating
Education: Tolerable
Army: 124.500 soldiers, 1,055 tanks
Navy: 0C/ 7F/ 0D
Air Force:
Country warheads: 0
Likely to get: unlikely

United Arab Emirates
Economy: 40
Industry: 5
Stability: stable
Army: 50.500 soldiers

Yemen
Economy: 11
Industry: 2
Stability: stable
Army: 66.700 soldiers

Oman
Economy: 31
Industry: 4
Stability: stable
Army: 41.700 soldiers

Iran
Economy: 37
Industry: 5
Stability: stable
Army: 540.000 soldiers, 1,565 tanks
Navy: 0C/ 3F/ 0D
Air Force:
Country warheads: unknown
Likely to get: they are allready close of producing themselves.

Georgia
Economy: 17
Industry: 2
Stability: stable
Army: 17.500 soldiers

Armenia
Economy: 18
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 44.660 soldiers

Azerbaijan
Economy: 21
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 66.490 soldiers

Kazakhstan
Economy: 30
Industry: 4
Stability: stable
Army: 65.800 soldiers
Country warheads: 50 (from former Soviet Union)
Likely to use: unlikely, but if Russia tries anything stupid they might.

Turkmenistan
Economy: 27
Industry: 4
Stability: stable
Army: 29.000 soldiers

Uzbekistan
Economy: 20
Industry: 2
Stability: stable
Army: 50.550 soldiers

Tajikistan
Economy: 9
Industry: 1
Stability: stable
Army: 6.000 soldiers

Kyrgyzstan
Economy: 13
Industry: 2
Stability: stable
Army: 10.900 soldiers

Afghanistan
Economy: 11
Industry: 2
Stability: stable
Army: 60.700 soldiers

Pakistan
Ruler: President General Pervez Musharraf
Government: Islamic Republic
Capital: Islamabad
Economy: 28
Industry: 4
Stability: Normal
Culture: Devoted
Confidence: Tolerating
Education: Tolerable
Army: 620.000 soldiers, 2,368
Navy: 0C/ 8F/ 0D
Air Force:
Country warheads: 80
Likely to use: unlikely towards likely.

India
Ruler: President APJ Abdul Kalam
Government: Federal republic
Capital: New Delhi
Economy: 31
Industry: 6
Stability: stable
Army: 1.325.000 soldiers, 3,398 tanks
Navy: 0C/ 16F/ 8D
Air Force:
Country warheads: 200
Likely to use: unlikely towards likely when in mayor conflict with Paklistan
Culture: Devoted
Confidence: Tolerating
Education: Literate-Educated

China
Ruler: President Hu Jintao
Government: Communist one-party state
Capital: Beijing
Economy: 36
Industry: 7
Stability: stable
Army: 2.250.000 soldiers, 7,180 tanks
Navy: 0C/ 42F/ 21D
Air Force:
Country warheads: 400
Likely to use: unlikely, but could in the future (near)
Culture: Devoted
Confidence: Tolerating
Education: Literate-Educated

Mongolia
Economy: 10
Industry: 2
Stability: stable
Army: 8.600 soldiers

Nepal
Economy: 18
Industry: 2
Stability: stable
Army: 63.000 soldiers

Bhutan
Economy: 11
Industry: 1
Stability: stable
Army: 6.000 soldiers

Bangladesh
Economy: 25
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 125.500 soldiers

Myanmar
Economy: 20
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 488.000 soldiers, 100 tanks

Thailand
Economy: 38
Industry: 4
Stability: stable
Army: 314.200 soldiers, 333 tanks
Navy: 0C/ 12F/ 0D
Air Force:

Laos
Economy: 13
Industry: 1
Stability: stable
Army: 29.100 soldiers

Vietnam
Economy: 41
Industry: 4
Stability: stable
Army: 484.000 soldiers, 1,315
Navy: 0C/ 6F/ 0D
Air Force:

Cambodia
Economy: 19
Industry: 2
Stability: stable
Army: 125.000 soldiers

Malaysia
Economy: 36
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 104.000 soldiers

Brunei
Economy: 27
Industry: 2
Stability: stable
Army: 7.000 soldiers

Philippines
Economy: 30
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 106.000 soldiers

Taiwan
Economy: 53
Industry: 5
Stability: stable
Army: 370.000 soldiers. 926 tanks
Navy: 0C/ 21F/ 11D
Air Force:
Country warheads: 0
Likely to get: could develop

North Korea
Economy: 16
Industry: 2
Stability: stable
Army: 1.022.000 soldiers

South Korea
Economy: 52
Industry: 6
Stability: stable
Army: 686.000 soldiers, 1,000 tanks
Navy: 0C/ 9F/ 6D
Air Force:
Country warheads: 0
Likely to get: easy accessible

Japan
Ruler: Emperor Akihito
Government: Constitutional monarchy,
Capital: Tokyo
Economy: 65
Industry: 7
Stability: stable
Army: 239.000 soldiers,1,020 tanks
Navy: 0C/ 9F/ 45D
Air Force:
Country warheads: 0
Likely to use: forbidden, but easily accessible
Culture: Devoted
Confidence: Tolerating
Education: Perfect

Indonesia
Economy: 30
Industry: 4
Stability: stable
Army: 302.000 soldiers
Navy: 0C/ 17F/ 1D

Papua New Guinea
Economy: 15
Industry: 2
Stability: stable
Army: 3.100 soldiers

Australia
Ruler: Prime Minister John Howard
Government: Constitutional monarchy
Capital: Canberra
Economy: 57
Industry: 5
Stability: stable
Army: 53.650 soldiers
Culture: Devoted
Confidence: Tolerating
Education: Perfect

New Zealand
Economy: 40
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 8.610 soldiers

Africa

Morocco
Economy: 27
Industry: 4
Stability: stable
Army: 196.000 soldiers, 744 tanks
Navy: 0C/ 2F/ 0D

Algeria
Economy: 32
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 127.500 soldiers

Tunisia
Economy: 30
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 35.000 soldiers

Libya
Economy: 31
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 76.000 soldiers

Egypt
Economy: 29
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 450.000 soldiers, 4,395 tanks
Navy: 0C/ 10F/ 1D

Mauritania
Economy: 12
Industry: 1
Stability: stable
Army: 15.750 soldiers

Mali
Economy: 10
Industry: 1
Stability: stable
Army: 7.350 soldiers

Niger
Economy: 9
Industry: 1
Stability: stable
Army: 4.300 soldiers

Chad
Economy: 11
Industry: 1
Stability: stable
Army: 30.350 soldiers

Sudan
Economy: 22
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 104.500 soldiers

Eritrea
Economy: 7
Industry: 1
Stability: stable
Army: 202.000 soldiers

Ethiopia
Economy: 17
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 162.500 soldiers, 270 tanks

Djibouti
Economy: 9
Industry: 2
Stability: stable
Army: 9.850 soldiers

Somalia
Economy: 6
Industry: 1
Stability: unstable
Army: Unknown

Senegal
Economy: 19
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 13.620

Gambia
Economy: 7
Industry: 1
Stability: stable
Army: Unknown

Guinea-Bissau
Economy: 5
Industry: 1
Stability: stable
Army: 9.250

Guinea
Economy: 16
Industry: 1
Stability: stable
Army: 9.700

Sierra Leone
Economy: 7
Industry: 1
Stability: stable
Army: 13.140

Liberia
Economy: 7
Industry: 1
Stability: stable
Army: 11.150

Côte d'Ivoire
Economy: 15
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 17.050

Burkina Faso
Economy: 12
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 10.800

Ghana
Economy: 21
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 7.000

Togo
Economy: 10
Industry: 2
Stability: stable
Army: 8.550

Benin
Economy: 9
Industry: 2
Stability: stable
Army: 4.550

Nigeria
Economy: 29
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 78.500

Cameroon
Economy: 20
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 23.100

Central Africa
Economy: 8
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 2.550

Equatorial Guinea
Economy: 32
Industry: 4
Stability: stable
Army: 1.320

Gabon
Economy: 20
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 4.700

Republic of the Congo
Economy: 8
Industry: 2
Stability: stable
Army: 10.000

Democratic Republic of the Congo
Economy: 14
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 97.800

Uganda
Economy: 20
Industry: 4
Stability: stable
Army: 60.000

Kenya
Economy: 15
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 24.120

Rwanda
Economy: 10
Industry: 2
Stability: stable
Army: 51.000

Tanzania
Economy: 12
Industry: 2
Stability: stable
Army: 27.000

Angola
Economy: 20
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 129.000

Zambia
Economy: 9
Industry: 2
Stability: stable
Army: 18.100

Malawi
Economy: 7
Industry: 1
Stability: stable
Army: 5.300

Mozambique
Economy: 14
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 8.200

Namibia
Economy: 20
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 9.000

Botswana
Economy: 25
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 9.000

Zimbabwe
Economy: 19
Industry: 3
Stability: stable
Army: 29.000

Swaziland
Economy: 17
Industry: 2
Stability: stable
Army: unknown

Lesotho
Economy: 11
Industry: 2
Stability: stable
Army: 2.000

Madagascar
Economy: 10
Industry: 1
Stability: stable
Army: 13.500

South Africa
Economy: 40
Industry: 5
Stability: stable
Army: 55.750
Country warheads: 0
Likely to use: known to have but got rid off.

Stormbringer: Russia
Gelion: USA
Kal'thzar: UK
Dreadnought: Germany
Drake Rlugia: Saudi Arabia

France has 11 million soldiers?Riiiiiiiiight...

the world isn’t yet struck by terrorism.

Actually, yes it is, only America isn't yet. :p

Will consider this, but won't joint yet.

I will take Russia

The European militaries are way screwed up. UK does not have 12 million soldiers, France does not have 11, and Germany does not have 15. Those numbers are ridiculous. Russia has just under 1 million, the rest a little bit less than that. China has almost 3 million.

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I'll take USA.... and I will do some crazy stuff.

Concona I also think you should revise a lot of numbers.

The economy numbers are out of whack too; no way has Canada and Australia have approximately equal incomes to the Uk ,and they certainly don't have economies (and even more importantly industries) twice as poweful as China!

What source are you using for these numbers? Personally I'd recommend the CIA world factbook if your not already using it.

Here's a quick summary of the top GDPs, and how the Economy Proportions would fall. These are 2005 numbers of course, I could be bothered to dig deeper. All of the EU together should only just beat the US.


Nation GDP (PPP adjusted) Economy Points?
United States $ 12,410,000,000,000 124
China $ 8,182,000,000,000 82
Japan $ 3,914,000,000,000 39
India $ 3,699,000,000,000 37
Germany $ 2,454,000,000,000 25
United Kingdom $ 1,869,000,000,000 19
France $ 1,822,000,000,000 18
Italy $ 1,651,000,000,000 17
Brazil $ 1,568,000,000,000 15
Russia $ 1,539,000,000,000 15
Canada $ 1,080,000,000,000 11
Mexico $ 1,068,000,000,000 11
Spain $ 1,017,000,000,000 10
Korea, South $ 965,300,000,000 10
Indonesia $ 901,700,000,000 9
Australia $ 642,100,000,000 6


I maybe be miss reading how economy is meant to work in this NES of course...

Canada has 12000 Battleships!!! :eek: Heaven save China... :cry:

US Army: 134,813,023 soldiers, 7,620 tanks - China!!! I'm coming for you!!!! :mad:

US Army: 134,813,023 soldiers, 7,620 tanks - China!!! I'm coming for you!!!! :mad:

With that many troops you could enforce military rule in evey nation on the planet :evil:

sadly enough the stats are not balanced for a realistic modern nes. But playing like this can bring more balance to nations (ofcouse 134 million soldiers for the US is laughable).

Oeps....forgot to change the numbers in the word-doc.....but anyway...why did you guys posted....I wasn't totally finished..

With that many troops you could enforce military rule in evey nation on the planet :evil:
I'm afraid I'll have to support the troops with ALL the loot from the planet also.

I think its a mistake and a mistake of the Excel by the looks of it.

Oeps....forgot to change the numbers in the word-doc.....but anyway...why did you guys posted....I wasn't totally finished..
I was thinking that and didn't post effectively ruining my chances to be Russia :)

You should have said "dont post" :p

With that many troops you could enforce military rule in evey nation on the planet :evil:

Not China! :p You need more then a 1:10 ratio to enforce military rule! ;)

I'd like to thank you guys anyway to point me on my error.....please join :)

Oeps....forgot to change the numbers in the word-doc.....but anyway...why did you guys posted....I wasn't totally finished..

Sorry - it just it had been several hours - I guess Cleric and all subsequent posters thought you had finished...

I don't think I'll join - you rarely have much freedom to do things in a modern NES (unless its post apocalyptic ala GoobNES of course), with the US a pretty much unquestionable hegemon for the next 20 years on so (China needs to finish modernising without destroying its environment, and if the EU grows closer - then there will be times for power plays*). It'll just be quashing terrorists and mucking about in your own country.

*If Stormbringer plays Russia things might get fun again though ;).

Not China! :p You need more then a 1:10 ratio to enforce military rule! ;)

:rolleyes:

Tsh, I would've liked the US. You can very easily make things more interesting by having the US respond with "overwhelming reciprocity."

The terrorists launch a chemical attack, you nuke a few major training camps... and up the chain. Europe condemns you, but they do that for virtually everything you do anyway, so you just strengthen ties to China and India.

Oh well. ;) And Concona, whatever you do, don't let anybody develop fusion power, or nanotech, or freaking antimatter weapons, or anything 10 to 1000 years ahead of possible technology in 1999. Please. :twitch: That made GoobNES so terribly goofy to lurk.

Oh well. ;) And Concona, whatever you do, don't let anybody develop fusion power, or nanotech, or freaking antimatter weapons, or anything 10 to 1000 years ahead of possible technology in 1999. Please. :twitch: That made GoobNES so terribly goofy to lurk.

Just repeating this ;). Though I rather disagree about a 1000 years of development away; who knows we might set off a technological singularity *shrug*...

Oh well. ;) And Concona, whatever you do, don't let anybody develop fusion power, or nanotech, or freaking antimatter weapons, or anything 10 to 1000 years ahead of possible technology in 1999. Please. :twitch: That made GoobNES so terribly goofy to lurk.

Shut up hoe.GoobNES is the King.

The economic system needs to be based on something other than GDP, the country's budget, the GDI, something...but using the GDP is absolutely ridiculous because the government does not have control over all of that money (in fact, it is not all money to begin with)

GDP doesn't lead to a good economy (good GDP that is) and it has to be adjusted for inflation and what not... just estimate i say

whats more is that some of that GDP isn't really there (figures can be misleading) and per capita? eh? eh? what about that? eh? eh?

I suggest you go with 1/10 of the GDI and then put it on an x squared or x cubed curve to account for the price differences in different countries. I played around with that and it seems to be the best compromise between GDP and GDI

Storm why dont you explain your system the way you designed it?

And Symphony, trust me, me playing US will be fun. Join as UK :D

Joining as UK, :p


EDIT: General question; whats the status of the EU? I have a feeling it will with other leaders of nations fall into a simple alliance with Economic benefits rather than deepen to a state of any kind, correct? (well if any other players come that is).

It will be as the EU is in real life, I might open a whole new thread for the EU and maybe one for the worldbank

I suggest you go with 1/10 of the GDI and then put it on an x squared or x cubed curve to account for the price differences in different countries. I played around with that and it seems to be the best compromise between GDP and GDI

I agree, the chart I posted was just for comparision with between the different countries...

Hmm.....Germany :)

To Germany
From UK

What are your feelings for the Future of the EU?

To UK
From Germany

If it helps us, we support any growth.

Ok I will look at the marks....and probably change them....;) could you tell me how to do this easily for every nation....

I think that I will first give you guys an update.....if that is okay...but that will be after Easter....ok?

hmm sure.....

*thinks about expanding the Common Wealth into another Economic organisation...*

Concona I hope you fix the stats soon esp. with regard to economy.

how come every nation's confidence is Tolerating?

Because humans are... tolerant?

I'll join as Saudi Arabia.

Will change the stats soon

Stormbringer....Kal...wanna divide up Europe? ;)

I'll divide it your balls!
(rude but to the point :p )

I guess I'll join is as IRAN!

Nothing like ticking off the UN.

From Iran
To All Nations that recieve exported oil


We are offically raising the price of a barrel of oil by 3 American Dollars.

Raising our income!

From Iran
To All Nations that recieve exported oil


We are offically raising the price of a barrel of oil by 3 American Dollars.

Thats good, it just means more oil is bought from other suppliers...like the UK.

Thats good, it just means more oil is bought from other suppliers...like the UK.

The UK cannot supply as much oil as Iran.Iran is in control of the largest oil fields in the world. Either way its gunna lead to a war which I want.

The UK cannot supply as much oil as Iran.Iran is in control of the largest oil fields in the world. Either way its gunna lead to a war which I want.
As President of the United States it is my wish to inform you that your actions and desires are highly dangerous and irresponsible.

thats not the point it still pushes up my economy :p

No it does not. The oil price is determined by market forces, and if someone wants to sell above market price then they will simply not sell their oil. Simple as that. Saudi Arabia and Russia can supply a lot of oil, and can jointly cover the gap that Iran would leave.

Yes yes, but usually stocks are sold of as well correct? To help with the inbalance. And production is pushed upwards.

yeah, but if one country raises prices then it will only hurt that country and help the countries that keep selling cheap

Not to mention Iran is a part of OPEC, and they together determine the price of their oil, so you'd be isolating yourself from OPEC as well, unless of course they follow you.

I'll take good old France

To: The world
From: Saudi Arabia

Obviously Iran is trying to attempt to destabilize the world, but we won't allow that to happen. We urge all importers of oil to cut trade to Iran. There are plenty of nations in the world that can make up the supply lost from Iran.

China is mine.

To: Iran
From: China

Cease these immature acts. Now.

To:Germany
From: France

We hope the transfer of our currencies to the Euro goes smooth. Hopefully this is only the beginning of unity.

To: UK
From: France

Is it too late for you to change your mind and accept the Euro? We feel as if you are moving the Union backwards.

Iran can raise oil prices, they have threatened to do so already (a few months ago and a few ago to) so yes they can raise oil prices by 1, 2 3 dollars or by 60 dollars if they want.

Sure they can....nobody will buy from them though

It's oil. It isn't something you can just live without. If some jerk with a large supply decides to raise the price, you do have to pay the price unless you want your nation to grind to a halt. Only so many people supply it and there's only so much to be had - you can't always just go off and get more from somebody else.

For example, despite Kal'tzhar's claims here, the UK's oil production cannot support, say, all of Europe. Iran, being the second largest OPEC producer, can generate a far larger supply. In fact, by not buying Iran's readily available oil, demand goes up as alternate sources begin to be tapped. As demand goes up, so do prices (law of supply and demand) for a highly sought after good.

So, in effect, by Iran having a large percentage of the oil market, when they raise prices, if nobody wants to buy from them, the ensuing demand placed on other oil producing nations will likely cause them to raise prices, meaning there's no reason not to buy from Iran when all is said and done.

This is why OPEC and oil producing nations as a whole are so bloody powerful. You can't just ignore them and magically conjure oil out of nowhere. See also: The 1973 Oil Crisis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis).

In the case of Iran the only ones who need to be particularly worried are the Europeans, since the Americans have had embargos on the Iranians since the 70's. In fact, OTL Iran threatening to raise prices was incredibly stupid on the part of the Iranians since it just threw the Europeans into the American camp. But I digress.

In the case of this NES it was stupid to randomly announce raising prices without getting the rest of OPEC to go along. :p

^ditto
it's pretty simple you know, a question of supply and demand. If supply is drasticly reduce because iran gets embargoed by everyone, then the price will go up anyway, due to a shortage of oil and the naturally high demand, oil being a needed resource in this world. So Europe and America would still have to buy oil from Iran. Unless the governments of those countries put price cielings on oil prices , but oil companies definately won't be happy about that

For example, despite Kal'tzhar's claims here, the UK's oil production cannot support, say, all of Europe. Iran, being the second largest OPEC producer, can generate a far larger supply. In fact, by not buying Iran's readily available oil, demand goes up as alternate sources begin to be tapped. As demand goes up, so do prices (law of supply and demand) for a highly sought after good.

I'm well aware of the limits of the UK oil supplies....I would never claim that it could supply Europe, it can supply itself, just and some extra but thats it.

To: UK
From: France

Is it too late for you to change your mind and accept the Euro? We feel as if you are moving the Union backwards.

Unfortuantly yes it is, There would have been certain advantages of joinging at the beginning such as the fisical buildings being situated in the UK (we have large advanatages is some of these areas). Therefore we're just going to have to wait.

OOC: Should we set up a new thread for the EU?

I'm for a thread, unless you think we should wait and see if someone takes Italy, Spain, the Netherlands, Belgium or etc....

i might take italy, but i still think a thread isn't good just yet, wait till the first update

To The World
From Iran

Cutting off trade with us is foolish.We raise the price slightly to fuel our new attempts at improvening the education of the average children.We to someday want vast cities with smart scietist building us nucle...I mean helping the world be a better place for all Irani peoples.

We disrespect misstreatment of our people.We need this economy increase to help our troubled Middle East as a whole.Selfish west!

Russia will do everything in our power to increase the supply of oil to offset the increase in prices by the Iranian government.

To Russia

Don't be fools raise your oil prices and reap the benefits.No one else i nthe world could match your power if you regained your economy and military might.

NPC me this ONE turn please....thanks (vacation). Dont think I am not part of this - I want to play!

Doesn't mather....I'll NPC you.....I'm a bit ill so I can't manage to get a update for now....but will work on it asp.

To: North Korea
From: China

We wish for your government to consider a merger of our two Peoples' Republics. Together we would make a strong Republic that would benefit all the peoples of our nations. This would involve complete integration of the Korean military, economy and leadership with China's. This would create benefits for both of our nations and peoples. We would like you to consider this option.

From Iran
To China

We would like to sell you our oil at a lower price than that of what we ask the west.Please consider this as a way to help futher increase the might of China and possibly gain us an ally in these hectic times.

To Iran
From China

Iran's diplomats must be very un-intelligent. China rejects your proposal. The People of China would suffer because of this decision. The people of China would be forced to die in a war because of a 2 dollar increase in oil prices. The Peoples' Republic stands firm: we do not support Iran's peculiar move.

To China

We are not wantign a war we want peace and riches.Does China not want peace and riches?

To: Iran
From: To sign this deal would threaten thousands of Iranians and thus tousands of Chinese. We will not rethink the matter.

you mean from Xen to terror , and back, right?

:hmm:

NVM the NPC thing....

Did these thing die or what????

I would like to play if it is alive. PM me

It's probably dead.

I think it is dead, actually...